User talk:Dondante12423

February 2024
Hello, I'm NoobThreePointOh. I noticed that you recently removed content from Recep Peker without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, Peker was incorrectly shown as a Fascist; I changed the part where it said that "he identified as a Fascist". The provided sources are 1)non-satisfactory and 2)false.
 * Peker by any definition of the word (except for authoritarian) was not a Fascist. He didn't support Corporatism (criticing it in his notes prepared for the Turkish Education Ministry), was against an alliance with the Axis powers (advocating war with Italy in the Grand National Assembly after her invasion of Greece, iterating that Turkey had an obligation to defend Greece due to the signing of the Balkan Entente), etc. (more could be added).
 * Peker was in favor of a change in burocratic organization, advocating for the supremacy of party burocracy over that of the state (similar to that of Italy, Soviet Union and Germany) in the 1935 CHF party congress. The debate was over how the unity of the party and the state should be achieved, Peker advocating for the position mentioned above. It was his support for the mentioned system and his continuous attempts (such as drafting a bill that would oversaw all state burocracy by the party, commonly referred as his Faşist Konsey; a name which he never used) at implementing his ideas that got him sacked from the cabinet. The incident that caused his replacement was his struggle with city governess.
 * I can provide all the needed sources to back my actions and rationale if needed. Dondante12423 (talk) 22:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did at Recep Peker, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I have explained in a previous reply that using "Fascist", and writing "identified as a Fascist" are both wrong. He did not identify nor support Fascism in Turkey. Dondante12423 (talk) 22:31, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You need to provide a source for this. Otherwise it will just keep getting reverted. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know what is required to be considered proof that someone is not a Fascist. I can provide sources for my claims though...
 * For Peker demanding war with Italy, you can check out Cemil Koçak's "Milli Şef Dönemi" pages 303-7. Other than that Mete Tunçay mentions this in his "Establishment of Single-Party Government in the Republic of Türkiye 1923-1931" on page 20 in the 1982 edition.
 * I don't know if Peker's own words will be accepted but he says the following things in his works:
 * 1) "Fascism is the resurrection of Caesarism in the 20th century." (Revolution Lecture Notes, page 48)
 * 2) "This new movement is a reactionary movement against both popular freedom and its radical distance from the class revolution." (Revolution Lecture Notes, page 48)
 * 3) "The distinguishing feature of the contemporary state is democracy." (Honor and Decency of Citizenship, page 4)
 * 4) "In the entire history of humanity, the most valued concept for which the most blood has been shed is freedom. On the other hand, in a social committee whose disciplinary side is not well established, the destructive effect of freedom cannot be measured by any other effect. In this case, it is necessary to understand well the measures of freedom that we want to experience, to apply them well and to benefit from the experiences of the world in this way." (Ülkü Magazine "Disciplined Freedom",1933) Dondante12423 (talk) 23:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) "In the entire history of humanity, the most valued concept for which the most blood has been shed is freedom. On the other hand, in a social committee whose disciplinary side is not well established, the destructive effect of freedom cannot be measured by any other effect. In this case, it is necessary to understand well the measures of freedom that we want to experience, to apply them well and to benefit from the experiences of the world in this way." (Ülkü Magazine "Disciplined Freedom",1933) Dondante12423 (talk) 23:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC)