User talk:Dongwenliang

TfD nomination of Template:Picture has no copyright. Free from use, according to www.bronzes.cn
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Huseyincan Celil
Hi, It's nice to have a Chinese view on this. Other editors keep on removing relevant categories - Category:Terrorism in China and Category:Terrorism in Central Asia. Please make sure to re-add the categories in your edits, thanks, KazakhPol 20:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!! I restored the deletion again, I have noticed that he tried to delete your tag....Dongwenliang 00:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Copyright issues
I deleted all the notices since the issues have been resolved. Nardman1 02:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much Nardman1 for whatever you did to improving wikipedia! Dongwenliang 02:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Huseyincan Celil
Khoikoi reverted your edits to Huseyincan Celil. KazakhPol 06:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! He is so persistent and hard to discuss with him.... Dongwenliang 15:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Chinese flutes
I'll do what I can about them, but since I'm not an administrator I have no special power to not delete them. Nardman1 21:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Copyright issue with Xihoudu}}}
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Image tagging for Image:Jiahu-marking.jpg
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China fair use
Sadly the template was deleted at Templates for deletion/Log/2007 March 29 because the English Wikipedia uses U.S. law. You'll have to tag the images as fair use and include copies of the emails you've received. Nardman1 15:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The servers are, and therefor the act of publication takes place in, the United States. Jkelly 03:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You didn't need to paste the exact same message you left on a number of other talkpages on mine. I'd already seen it, and nobody here gets to make decisions about which laws apply to the servers and which don't.  Jkelly 03:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know they are all your talk pages, I thought one user only has one talk page.Dongwenliang 23:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I am unsure I can give you a satisfactory answer as I am unable to parse all of your text. I can tell you, however, that when we speak of "fair use" we are dealing with copyright law which is widely different from country to country. The only copyright law that is relevant to content copyrighted in the United States is United States copyright law. You can find relevant information about United States copyright law pertaining to fair use at Fair use. Regards, Iamunknown 16:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that "Whatever we publish must be legal according to US law". But I don't know why it is illegal to publish this tag, and the related pictures on Wilipedia according to US law.　If it is not illegal, it should not be deleted. Dongwenliang 23:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC).


 * If using an unlicensed image on Wikipedia is legal under both China- and U.S.-fair use, then I would think it would be less redundant to simply use Non-free fair use in or a more specific template. Maintaining the China-fair use template would, in my mind, simply lead to confusion, possible misuse and general misunderstanding.  --Iamunknown 00:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your very constructive reply. :) Dongwenliang 00:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

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minghui.org
Could you help me translate the copyright notice on minghui.org so I can use some images on Wikipedia? The text is "正法度人不取费用. 欢迎参加世界各地的自发集体炼功活动 明慧网版权所有 © 1999-2007 MINGHUI.ORG 欢迎转载，但请注明出处" Thank you very much! Nardman1 00:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Huseyincan Celil
An anonymous user, 24.225.241.241, just removed the "Views of the People's Republic of China" section from the article on Huseyincan Celil. I thought you would like to know. KazakhPol 23:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Image:Jiahu-marking.jpg listed for deletion
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Replaceable fair use Image:Xiaochangliang-site.jpg
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 * Thank you Nard for your detailed instructions, it would be next to imposible if I need to figure it out by myself. I did it, and it is very nice to see your picture. Dongwenliang 01:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I'm sorry to inform you Wikipedia has gotten much tougher on fair use images since last we spoke. They are now of the opinion that if somebody could take a free picture of the object, it's not fair use. I did manage to find a free picture of the a Jiahu flute, as well as a free sample of Jiahu writing. Since the archaeological site in the picture is still present, anybody could take a free picture of it. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you. -Nard 01:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Did Wiki get sued for using some unfree pictures? As you know every picture originally must be taken by someone at sometime, not formed by nature. So virtually there are no fair use pictures at all.... :( thanks for the always support. By the way who are "they"? I think we should change "they" to "we" by voting our own admins. Dongwenliang 01:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No they didn't get sued, they have a much tougher policy on "fair use" than the law allows. ie just because it's fair use doesn't make it ok to use on Wikipedia. If you want you can read WP:NFCC and read up on the policy on "non-free media" as they call it now. Opposing the changes isn't going to help much, the ideal is to try to find free pictures and work with the system the best you can. "They" being the admins and the people who interpret policy (I hope someday to be an admin but my most recent request last week did not go well (Requests for adminship/N). -Nard 02:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Block Review
I came here to review the unblock request but there is no block listed in your blocklog against this account directly. You may be affected by an IP block or range-block. Please check that you really are blocked. If you are, to assist us in reviewing the block, please copy here the exact message you receive when you try to edit. If you would prefer not to post this information here (it may contain your IP information), you can e-mail it to the unblock mailing list instead (see Appealing a block for details). Newyorkbrad 02:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Newyorkbrad, thank you for your time to review my case. Today I tried it is restored. As you said, it is maybe an IP range block. I am not sure how that happened, but again thank you for your prompt repley and I will remove the block review request tag. Dongwenliang 15:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Dead Cjinese Soldier in Korean War
here i is. Kfc 1864  talk  my edits 08:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm also uneasy, but it's an encyclopedia. Kfc 1864  talk  my edits 23:12, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * So, your main objections seem to be that since it a picture of a dead Chinese soldier who's face is visible, you (and all Chinese) object. But, if it was somebody from a different culture you apparently would not object. There is only one solution. Find another picture, upload it to the Commons (and make sure it's either not copyrighted or is otherwise free to use), then post a message on the talk page with a link to the new picture and ask if there would be consensus to replace the existing picture with the new picture. It's as simple as that. Without following these few simple steps, you just conducting disruptive editing and action can be taken by Admins. wbfergus undefinedTalk 15:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I am blocked by Ryulong again
I am blocked the second time by Ryulong. The first block was a group block, and this time the reason said was open proxy. I sent an email to jwales@wikia.com, but I am still blocked. Please help and thanks. Dongwenliang 00:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I can't find any block of by Ryulong in the last week, nor does it appear your account is blocked. --Haemo 00:27, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * But I tried from this morning to now, I still can not edit anything except my own talk page. (I was about to leave a message to your talk page and only found I can not edit anything) The message I got is I am blocked, by user named Ryulong. :( Dongwenliang 01:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * "You aren't blocked. The block of open proxies you've been using has been blocked, however." Can anyone tell me what does this mean? I got the msg said I am blocked when I click any "edit this page" tab and Jpgordan told me I am not. Dongwenliang 01:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Korean War image
I understand that you find the image offensive. That in and of itself, is not enough to justify censoring the image. In my opinion, nothing is enough to justify censorship. I abhor censorship in all forms, whether it is a method of control by an oppressive government, or if it's because someone finds something offensive. If you don't want to see something, don't look at it. We all have free will, and most of us are adults. I don't need anyone telling me what I can and cannot look at, read, or say, and I don't think anyone else does either. Parsecboy 15:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If you see something you don't like, why would you keep staring at it? Look away. It's as easy as that. Obviously, our intent is not to insult anyone. It's to present as much information on a subject as possible (to paraphrase Jimbo Wales, to become the sum of all human knowledge). Something you might want to consider is the phrase that is often misattributed to Voltaire: "I disagree with what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it." Parsecboy 16:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Dong, please don't take offence but you only speak for yourself. If other editors object then fair enough, but we have to deal with those people that actually express their views.

Also so many people are offended by different things. If we tried to accomodate everyone's views then a huge number of Wikipedia articles would have to be deleted or at least severely reduced. You can't please everyone. John Smith&#39;s 20:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you can find a picture of a US soldier with an intact head you could add it as well. But if you can't then that's the way it is. Besides it's no good complaining to me - it's the others you need to talk to. John Smith&#39;s 20:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Stop removing the image, or I'll report you for disruptive editing. Parsecboy 16:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not threatening anyone; I'm making you aware that I intend to enfore Wikipedia policies. As a side note you seem to be pretty hypocritical, according to your userboxes. You claim to be against censorship, and a supporter of 1RR, but your actions on the talk page and main article speak otherwise. Parsecboy 17:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Go to here to see a softcore porn video. Go here for another softcore image. here's another. here's an image of a "pearl necklace". Here's an image of a guy holding his penis. Here's a BDSM related image. Need I go on? Parsecboy 17:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * This was nice, and very WP:AGF of you. I guess since you haven't been able to force your views on the article, you tried to force us off the article. What are you going to try next? Parsecboy 21:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * No, images of people having sex is hardcore pornography. Nude images is softcore pornography. Perhaps it is you who does not understand the definition of porn.
 * I made the above comment because you are causing an edit war, which is disruptive. I (nor did wbfergus) did nothing wrong in participating in the discussion on the talk page, so your actions are way out of line. Who insulted you? Where did that happen? I don't recall anyone insulting you, here, or on the Korean War talk page. Moreover, you keep stating that the image is offensive to all Chinese. Do you know that for a fact? Have you spoken with all 1.3+ billion of them? Unless you have, then stop alleging that your opinions are universally accepted by every single Chinese person in existence. I'm sure there are plenty of Chinese who could give a shit about a photograph of a dead Chinese soldier from over 50 years ago. Parsecboy 01:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

korean war dead chinese image
I understand that you are offended (and any other Chinese as well) but we can't edit everything because a certain group doesn't like it. Say, for example, biased editors turn the article Liancourt Rocks so that Koreans don't like it. Simply because we don't like it doesn't mean that the article can be changed so that we like it.

Same with the image in Korean War. Its just an image thats part of an article. Nobody is here to put that image on to offend China and outside readers are just going to treat the image like any other else. Good friend100 19:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring is bad
Please do not edit war on Korean War. I see you have been deleting images from this featured article, in spite of repeated opposition from other editors.  You are a good editor with a long history and a clear block log. Do not spoil that. If edit warring continues I may block you, as well as other editors, to stop the problem. I suggest you use the Dispute resolution process instead. This will help resolve differences of opinion amicably. Thank you. - Jehochman Talk 21:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you think I care that much of blocking? Go head and block me, then I can focus on my jobs. LOL. Wikipedia = Coldwar Machine!Dongwenliang (talk) 17:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:Xia-bronze2.jpg
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Replaceable fair use Image:Simuwu.jpg
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Fair use rationales
Both images are still missing fair use rationales... / Fred-J 14:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Music-Bell.jpg
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Regarding the Korean War photo
As a fellow Chinese, I urge you to reconsider your judgement of the image of the dead Chinese soldier of the Korean War. Personally, I do not feel that the image is offensive or "insulting" to the Chinese people in any way, as you describe. Indeed, when I first sighted the photo, I assumed it to be some sort of image from the propaganda which our government has so often relied on, or perhaps from a book authored by a Chinese, much like the photos depicted in The Rape of Nanking. If a Chinese herself would bring herself to put such gruesome photos in her book, I do not see why Wikipedia should not.

What concerns me even more, however, is your discussion with a few fellow Wikipedians on the inclusion of the image. A Chinese myself, I could say that I understand your sentiments at times when interacting with Western counterparts; however, quoting the words both of our ancestors and of Wikipedia, one should assume good faith in all circumstances. The Chinese people's inclusion among the world's people will not be certified by military or economic power, but by a noble culture. Aran|heru|nar 15:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Shang-ding1.jpg
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 * Go head with the deletion. All the bronze pictues I uploaded got the approvals from the owner and I have attached the email from the owner too, if anyone can read the history of the images page or the files. From time to time, I got deletion tags and I have explain again and again and again how and from whom I got these pictures. The type of the tags had been changed at least 3 times too. Despite that, finally, they were all deleted now. Happy? you won? So, the only thing I try to say is that, you can delete the pictures, but you can not detroy the real 4,000 years fine bronze piece in China, and they are still there. Please read all the deletion notifications above and continue to abuse wikipedia's deletion friendly policies, continue to distort wikipedia and continue to turn wikipdedia into a coldwar machine! Enjoy your deleting creative works from the user outside of Europe or North America! Dongwenliang (talk) 15:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Xia-jue2.jpg
I have tagged Image:Xia-jue2.jpg as no rationale, because it does not provide a fair use rationale. If you believe the image to be acceptable for fair use according to Wikipedia policy, please provide a rationale explaining as much, in accordance with the fair use rationale guideline, on the image description page. Some examples can be found at Use rationale examples. Please also consider using or one of the other tags listed at Image copyright tags/Non-free. Thank you. --Geniac (talk) 17:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Copypasting the same nonsense to multiple people won't help fix your images. --Geniac (talk) 17:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't care. The image of the world's largest bronze was already deleted, why should I care a small bronze cup? Go ahead to delete it. A correction: it is not "my image", it is an image for wikipedia.Dongwenliang (talk) 17:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "I already deleted that image." - No, it's still there, and you're not an admin, so you wouldn't be able to delete it. --Geniac (talk) 12:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, I know someone is not smart but I am so surprised about your logic and shallow perception. I deleted it in the article that image was in. That image only in that article, understand? How could wiki be better having an admin like you? ehh? Dongwenliang (talk) 03:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you intended it to or not, but the message you last left on my talk page sounds a lot like trolling. Either point out exactly how I "abused the deletion policy" or quit your nonsense and start making constructive contributions to the encyclopedia. --Geniac (talk) 12:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Did not you read my user page and you still can not figure out why? Stop calling other non-sense, that is a personal attack!Dongwenliang (talk) 14:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Xia-jue2.jpg)
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 * LOL, as I said, how stupid this game is!, just go ahead and delete it without making such a fuss.Dongwenliang (talk) 14:51, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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Some Insight from an American (GASP!)
I know my presence here is unsolicited, but I felt it might be pertinent to this topic to inject my feelings on this matter, so *exhales*... here goes.

I'm an American citizen, but let it be said that anyone who discounts me for my nationality is a fool.

I'm born of Christian ancestry, in what was founded as a Christian nation.

I, myself, am largely agnostic, and you may credit that to a state with far too much interest in imposing societal norms onto future generations.

It is truly a terrifying thing for me to look on - in silent, wide-eyed horror - as someone suggests we return to a time where little progress was achieved.

Before you condemn the ideas of "free speech" of another nation, you might consider what imposing your own ideas onto others will cause - the result is never good.

Unfortunately, we have a double-standard of sorts that must be dealt with according to our own domestic policy: the servers are located on U.S. soil, ergo they are subject to U.S. - and only U.S. - jurisdiction. Every time you protest an image on the grounds of being "offensive", of course that "logic" will not prevail where the image is not intentionally unproductive; as Chinese laws do not apply here (would you enjoy having U.S. copyrights enforced worldwide? No?  Then you see the sacrifice), the site hosting this material is under no obligation whatsoever to keep "unacceptable" images from the very people they might offend.

It's important that you understand that there are people out there who need to know that such tragedies are taking place; would you seriously relegate them to snippets of reports from Xinhua that "nothing happened" or "you don't need to see what happened here"? Perhaps you are familiar with 天安門廣場? What's "pornography" for you qualified as such for us nearly two centuries ago - before we saw the value in having current imagery to illustrate a particular problem. Please do not misunderstand my intent; I do not mean to cause offense to you or your history. My point is simply thus: what you see as "taboo" is, to many other people - Chinese included - a vital part of the information exchange process.

Defending the denial of such blatantly pseudo-religious content-censoring dogma as being "racist" is not a new thing for me to see, but it IS the kind of depressing and destructive comment I can't stand reading, particularly given my own country's history with REAL racism. Orethrius (talk) 12:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

where did you get the template for the year you were born?
where did you get the template for the year you were born? i need year of the dog. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RestoreTheEmpireSociety (talk • contribs) 02:19, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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