User talk:Donlammers/Archive 2

List of Zoos in Bangladesh
Greetings! Have a look on this: List of Zoos in Bangladesh I think it should be merged with List of zoos because it is too short. The name is wrong to because 'z' should be in small form. Farjad 0322 (talk&#124;sign&#124;contribs) 18:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. Obviously I never spotted that article, as I would have assessed it as a list class for WPZOO had I done so. This list is not even as complete as the list in "List of zoos", which has two more items. And, nobody bothered to point to this as the "main article" from the List of zoos. This should redirect to the Bangladesh section. Unfortunately, you then need to go in and redirect anything that points to this. Also, there should probably be a "List of zoos in Bangladesh" (with the correct capitalization) redirecting to the section. Merging is always a pain because of having to go back and "pick up the pieces," but I think it needs to be done here. If you need help, let me know. Donlammers (talk) 19:55, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Brandywine Zoo
Hey :) Firstly, I didn't realize that the information had to be specifically about the zoo as there is not much information available. I figured that by including a bit more information about each animal species it would make the animals exhibited in the zoo much clearer, especially with a picture depicting what the species looked like. Thank you for replacing the logo, I was getting around to doing it but I was in the middle of editing the main text as I have been editing this article over the last couple of weeks and I wanted a temporary picture. I modified all images that I found so that I could say that they were my own work, I haven't just straight copied them off of websites as I know that you can run into copyright issues that way. From now on all pictures that I upload will be very clear that they are mine. Thank you for pointing out these issues to me.LucyEtherington (talk) 11:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * See User_talk:LucyEtherington for my answer and the rest of this discussion.Donlammers (talk) 13:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Philadelphia Aquarium & Adventure Aquarium
Why should these aquariums point to each other in the See also section? One closed in 1962 and the other did not open until 1992. One is in PA and one is on NJ (granted, "just across the river" from each other) But they are about 3 miles and 30 years apart if my measurements and math are correct. If they have something in common warranting an entry in the See Also section, SHouldn't this be reflected in the text somehow (and cited)? Donlammers (talk) 23:47, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Donlammers,
 * These are the two aquariums (I don't like "aquaria") that both serve greater Philly so I thought readers of one would be likely to be interested in the other. I suppose I could create a city-based category like was done with Category:Aquaria in Paris but I didn't want to create a two-article cat with no room for growth, like was done with Category:Aquaria in Paris.  If you feel strongly about it--I don't--feel free to remove the links. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:14, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess the Brandywine Zoo could technically bring a city metro cat to 3 articles based on location but it's not drawing people from King of Prussia and Cherry hill. They're lucky if people drive across Wilmington and I say that as a member.RevelationDirect (talk) 00:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, 30 years is a bit of a gap, but I won't argue the point. I've never been to the area, but on the map it DOES seem to be one big city, and the navboxes don't cover the overlap. We might want to think about a "Greater philly zoos and Aquariums" navbox (please don't hold me to the name -- someone local to the area would probably do a lot better). Donlammers (talk) 01:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

File:Lahore Zoo logo.png listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Lahore Zoo logo.png, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Farjad 0322 (talk&#124;sign&#124;contribs) 17:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Moonlit Sanctuary Wildlife Conservation Park
And from where did you get this information? I'm sure it was probably a Web site somewhere and you could have just included the URL with yhour post. If I don't see this information in a day or two I am going to remove the information. You don't needs to know how to do proper citations. Just put a URL (or probably two), and I will turn it into a proper citation. Information like this should be from the site of the awarding institution, not the zoo site. Thank you. Donlammers (talk) 13:21, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You are a proper little wikilawyer aren't you. The reason I stopped editing this site after many thousands of edits. Just can't be bothered with this type of aggressive attitude and arrogant nonsense. The organisations web site is quite adequate as a source for this type of information, as it is reasonable to presume that a responsible organisation would not lie about this type of thing. If you want to verify the ecotourism award go to http://www.victoriantourismawards.com.au/2010-award-winners/2010-award-winners.html#cat5. The Keep Australia Beautiful site no longer lists winners pre 2010 but as you can see a picture of the award being held by the zoos director on their website I think we can take that as reasonable verification. And while I am not a newcomer, you had no way of knowing that, so you should review DBTN. And while we are at it the proper course for information you want sourced is not to threaten the anon who put it up with removing it within 24 hours, but rather to tag it and leave it for the community to find appropriate sources. --121.216.63.116 (talk) 22:56, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, speaking of wikilawyers... I will try to be less forceful in the future and just ask for the information, which presumably the poster (whether a newbie or not) has at their disposal. I apologize for my tone. Donlammers (talk) 23:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably a good idea, and thank you for the apology. --121.216.63.116 (talk) 11:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Templates/IOC othergames/doc listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Templates/IOC othergames/doc. Since you had some involvement with the Templates/IOC othergames/doc redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Mhiji (talk) 22:07, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Announcement
Hello! I'm The Arbiter, one of the coordinators for WikiProject Zoo. I am proud to announce the launch of a new portal: Portal:Zoos and Aquariums! ZooPro, ZooFari, and I worked hard to create a new portal for information on zoos, aquariums, and the associated projects and articles on Wikipedia. If you could head on over, take a look at our work, and maybe learn some more about zoos and Wikiproject Zoo, it would be great! Cheers and Happy Editing!

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of The Arbiter (talk) at 03:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC).

Wikiproject Zoo
Hello Donlammers, thank you very much for your message. While I'm very pleased to be a member of such a great project, time issues will probably take me away from Wiki in the next months. The list will be very useful and as you can see, there is still much to do regarding Philippine zoos. I hope to get the cooperation of many of my countrymen. I'm also planning a trip to the Manila Zoo (Manila Zoological and Botanical Garden) and I hope I will be able to take many photos. Thanks again and more power to the project! -- Joaquin008 ( talk ) 18:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Billabong koala park
My apologies, I forget that no one outside Australia knows what a Billabong is :) one of those moments I am afraid. Cheers for fixing that one up Zoo Pro 14:29, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * We are learning. Yesterday I was at the zoo with my almost 9 son, and said "there's the serval's mate." He corrected me, saying that we didn't know it was a "mate" because we don't know if they are male and female (still true, as we didn't find anyone to ask yesterday). I got out of it by saying "I meant in the Australian sense," at which point he said "Oh yeah, that's..." and proceeded with a much better Australian version of "mate" than I can manage. Donlammers (talk) 14:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Haven't said hello in a long time so I just wanted to send you and yours best wishes for the New Year. Can you believe that we waited until yesterday for it to finally look like the holiday season? Hope you are staying warm. Have fun editing in 2011 and cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 23:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Even so, we barely got the 6" needed for the snowplow guy to show up -- first time this year. Happy new year and good editing to you as well. Donlammers (talk) 23:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Animals/Draft capitalization guidelines
User:ZooPro has suggested that I request your feedback and/or modifications to this proposal. If you think that it has worth, I would like to post an RfC, notify relevant groups, then announce it at WikiProject Manual of Style. If this is unlikely to be helpful or achieve anything, please be frank. I won't be offended.

Quick links:
 * Original discussion
 * Naming conventions (fauna)
 * PROPOSAL
 * Discussion between ZooPro and Anna Frodesiak at Anna's talk
 * Discussion between ZooPro and Anna Frodesiak at ZooPro's talk

This message has been sent to:
 * 1) User:Anthony Appleyard
 * 2) User:Donlammers
 * 3) User:Innotata
 * 4) User:Intelligentsium
 * 5) User:Materialscientist
 * 6) User:Mokele
 * 7) User:Rlendog
 * 8) User:Ucucha
 * 9) User:UtherSRG
 * 10) User:Visionholder
 * 11) User:ZooPro

Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

the green connection
dear Don Lammers

thanks for your edits to the wikipedia page of the green connection. You must dedicate a lot of time and effort to making these aquaria pages better.

thanks a lot

did you create the facebook page the green connection which simply quotes the wikipedia page? an organisation page http://www.facebook.com/?sk=inbox#!/pages/The-Green-Connection/194385310572512

or the blank page with 2 friends - a company page http://www.facebook.com/?sk=inbox#!/pages/The-Green-Connection/114826635226764

We have an active facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/?sk=inbox#!/thegreenconnection this is a product/service

it is confusing having three pages with the same name and I don't know how to delete or link them.

if you are the owner/creator of either of the two unused pages, please contact me and we can merge them in some way

email for contact prof.mauri@rocketmail.com

Prof Steve Oakley Technical director The green Connection —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.50.169.123 (talk) 02:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Pittsburgh Zoo and PPG Aquarium
Hey, Donlammers,

I saw your post in the Discussion area for the Pittsburgh Zoo. You said that the sections that describe the areas of the zoo need actual descriptions, instead of being just lists of animals. Also, you said that the article needs more citations.

I agree entirely. I added a citation for the animal lists (they came from the Pittsburgh Zoo website). I've also been planning to write descriptions for those areas for quite a while now, and I think I'm just about ready to do so. However, I can't find any sources that describe the areas. Even the Pittsburgh Zoo website isn't of any help, because the descriptions are biased, and contain such phrases as "visit the wonderful world of the jungle" (ugh...).

I could go to the zoo myself (I don't live very far from it), and write neutral descriptions of the areas based on my observations, but that wouldn't be considered a reliable source.

Do you have any suggestions on where to find sources for the zoo areas' descriptions?

Thanks for the help,

--Voz7


 * I usually use the zoo site for basic descriptions -- just rewrite using the same facts but not such flowery language. Often this results in only a couple of paragraphs from a whole page of a website. First, I basically don't believe in big long lists of animals. They tend to dominate the article, are virtually impossible to keep up to date, and the article should be about the zoo, not about a list of animals (I don't remove lists if someone else put them there, but I won't create them). Not everyone agrees to this approach, of course. For instance, I would just do the following for the bear exhibit:


 * "The bear exhibit is the oldest exhibit at the zoo, having been built in the 1930s under the Works Progress Administration. It is home to Kodiak bears, North American black bears, and spectacled bears."


 * The animal names can be linked to the article on the animal, and anyone who really wants the scientific name can get it there. The zoo page at http://www.pittsburghzoo.com/animallist.aspx?c=4 supports this. Some of the other descriptions are not quite as helpful. I usually Google the zoo and see what I can find. city-data usually has a neutral description, though usually only about a page long. For instance, here I find that the elephants roam in their own 16-acre enclosure (among other things). You can also often deduce quite a bit from the zoo map. After this, you will probably need to piece things together from various news articles, unless someone wrote a book on your particular zoo and you can get your hands on it.


 * One approach I've used to condense the animal lists rather than deleting them is to make them expandable. They don't dominate the article then, and anyone who wants to see them can do so. Donlammers (talk) 19:29, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Just took a very quick look at your edits, and you seem to be doing just fine (Rainforest, Children's Zoo) before reading my advice ;-) Donlammers (talk) 19:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

-- Thanks for the help. The article is looking a lot better now. If you have any other suggestions, please let me know.

--Voz7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Voz7 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's looking much better. It needs a going over to eliminate redirects in wikilinks. The easy way to do this is to enable Navigation popups (in My Preferences > Gadgets). Then do a preview so you have the page on top and the edit window below. Hover over each blue link. If it pops up with two headings, that's a redirect. Copy the second title and use that as the "hidden" link so that your visible text doesn't change, but the actual link target does.


 * Citations also need to be expanded and consolidated. For instance, you have 5 or 6 instances of the history link, and it really should only show up in the footnotes once. And right now only the URL shows up. Go ahead and finish up what you plan to do for now, and I can go in and do this work so you can see what I mean (it's easier to show and tell than try explaining this).


 * Finally, I think the History section fundamentally OK, but still sounds a bit ad-like -- lots of superlatives. So it needs a copy edit. I can help with this too if you want, though probably not until later this week. Donlammers (talk) 22:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Zoos of Nova Scotia
Template:Zoos of Nova Scotia has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. EBE123(talk) 20:07, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Assessments
Hi Don. I'm a participant of WPCHINA. I was helping assess articles which have missing assessments. I just came across some articles with WPZOO tags and thought I was doing a good thing with tagging importance. Obviously, every project is different and in this case (WPZOO) I wasn't aware the importance is not required. I'll remember next time and leave it alone.

Tags using WPCHINA or are acceptable if you read the project website WikiProject_China. The reason I'm using it WPCHINA is it saves time because it is shorter. Have you talked to anyone in WPCHINA or you just implemented a bot that goes round doing WPCHINA tags just for the sake of it? --Visik (talk) 00:54, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I do notice a bot going rounds tagging. I'm happy for the bot to re-tag but quite often they do not complete the assessment as its still a human job to assess the quality of the article. If the bot is more sophisticated, I would not need to re-tag alot of the articles. --Visik (talk) 00:58, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I did not create the bot -- only observed what it was doing (but you may have already figured that out). I think the template project folks are doing it so that the template doesn't need to redirect (the page probably loads fractionally faster), so I've been expanding it whenever I see the short form. There is a bot going around and assessing by amount of text or something to stub or start (I guess just to have more articles at least assessed at some level), and another one that goes around and updates all entries to the highest assessment, but they don't seem to be catching anywhere near all the articles I work on, so I've been "helping" them along. Donlammers (talk) 11:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Don, what is the name of the bot? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:06, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen it for a while, so I don't really remember. It may have been a semi-automated edit and not a bot. A bunch of WPZOO were changed to WikiProject Zoo. After looking at what was being done, I concluded that the edit eliminated template redirect, which made sense to me, so I've been sort of following that lead. Donlammers (talk) 20:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Greetings
Hi Don, I pleased to encounter someone with an interest similar to mine (Protected areas of Tamil Nadu) who consistently maintains focus on his special interest rather than bouncing around Wikipedia editing various subjects of interest only at the moment. This approach generally upgrades the whole category and improves the world's perception of the broad subject. Keep up the good work.-Marcus334 (Talk)  17:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * In my case, Zoos (which frequently overlap with protected areas), and lately I've mostly been trying to improve stubs and keep assessments up to date. I have other specific article interests, but I generally find I prefer sticking to a subject. Sorry I seem to have stomped on your editing at one point this morning. You hadn't saved in a while and I thought you were done for now. Thanks for the good work on Arignar Anna ZP. Donlammers (talk) 18:48, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Don, thanks for helping clean up the Hattiesburg Zoo article. I gave it a shot, but did not have your expertise. Woodlot (talk) 11:58, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion for The Parks at Chehaw (Albany, Georgia)
An article that you have been involved in editing, The Parks at Chehaw (Albany, Georgia), has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Talk to you later, Presidentman (talk) Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 12:45, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Flying High Bird Sanctuary
A tag has been placed on Flying High Bird Sanctuary by User:OlYeller21 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If you think the article should be kept, you are welcome to contest the deletion. Snowman (talk) 07:29, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like it has been saved for the moment; nevertheless, referenced additions to the article will be welcome. Snowman (talk) 08:14, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help/input/wiki knowledge with UnderWater World Guam!
Thanks for making my edit and inline citation clearer. I try my best to source material. Sprinkler21 (talk) 03:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)Sprinkler21

A kitten for you!
I just wanted to test the new <3 button at the top of the page :) I considered you a perfect candidate :)

Zoo Pro 01:57, 1 July 2011 (UTC) 

Red panda
Yeah, most of those translation notices are totally pointless, and the echo project is dead in any event. I considered just nominating the echo/FAOL banner template for deletion altogether, but decided I would make the effort to go through the articles individually to convert the old banners to Expand Spanish etc templates where translation might be worthwhile, so that all the translation requests are in one unified format at least... Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Henry Mountains Bison Herd
With this edit you shrank the herd's range from 2 million acres to 2 acres. Not very environmentally friendly! Ntsimp (talk) 16:00, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oops. Sorry. It sounded too small, but I didn't understand the "e6acre" construct (never seen it before). Sorry.

Dhodial Pheasantry
Please perform assessment of this new article. Farjad 0322 <font color="Cerise">(talk&#124;sign&#124;contribs) 13:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. I also made a few edits. This is a good solid start class article, but doesn't quite have the contents or citations to be a C. A couple additional photos wouldn't hurt either. Donlammers (talk) 17:33, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I created a Commons category for this topic, as well as Islamabad Zoo, in the hopes that you will contribute additional photos ;-) I also added WikiProject Zoo to The Inevitable Flight and re-rated it as start. I removed the incorrect km2 conversion from the pheasantry article: 168+ kanal = 21 acres = 8.5 ha = 0.085 (not 0.85) km2. Donlammers (talk) 18:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Referencing
I assumed the listed references were sources that were being used in the article, but now, looking through the article it looks like none of those works are being cited (since I was citing the Christman book for the citations I added, I changed it to bibliography). When a list of books are provided as "references", I guess that is for general topic sourcing, but we're ideally supposed to be shooting for specific page number details. If they're just listed, it could also be named as "further reading" as no citations currently pull from them. To me, it doesn't really matter what the titling is, so if there is a preferred medthod that guidelines suggest, feel free to use that. Hopefully at some point, editors will add specific citations to the books currently listed. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:54, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm currently working on San Diego articles related to Balboa Park, so I have been going through and citing these from books I've checked out from the library. I'll probably add more citations to the zoo article in the coming weeks/months. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Nominations for deletion of my articles.
Thanks for the heads-up. These are apparently bad-faith nominations by User:FireTool87, also known as User:184.164.148.90. This user is a special purpose account dedicated to the recently deleted article Wilma Pang. The user is openly retaliating against me for my Deletion review/Log/2011 July 25 comments in support of deletion of that article. They did the same to another person who supported deletion. --MelanieN (talk) 13:58, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * All fixed! Another editor reported the bad-faith nominations to ANI and the articles were all speedy-kept. It's good to know that somebody's got my back! Thanks again. --MelanieN (talk) 23:56, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

sp=us
As you found out, things are not always what they seem and 'sp=us' is often incorrectly applied when 'abbr=on' is set. You also said: Unfortunately that's not true either. Yes, that's how it should be but 'sp=us' is also incorrectly applied to articles in British spelling, including those with 'Template:Use British English'. It's also incorrectly applied to units that don't have spelling variations like 'lb'. I'm trying to fix all of these defects.
 * ... sp=us is not usually put in the template unless the article is in US spelling.

I hope that helps. Lightmouse (talk) 10:08, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

El Paso Zoo
My apologies if I deleted valid content. Thanks for fixing. 76.248.145.169 (talk) 15:04, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * No problems. The previous editor stomped on a perfectly good citation that also provided historical context (always preferred over just the zoo Web site). What I did was make the same basic additions after checking the zoo Web site, but with the historical citation intact. I also made sure that animal names were lower case in the narrative. Don Lammers (talk) 15:12, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * BTW, I have warned Zhand38 about original research and sourcing. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one doing this. Zhand38 has also added a bunch of citations earlier, but the latest information reads like an insider and there have been no references. Don Lammers (talk) 15:16, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I find the edit history really problematic for several reasons--Zhand38 appears to have edited the same articles with multiple IP accounts, though per benefit of doubt I assume they just forgot to sign in. More to the point is the persistent addition of unsourced content of inappropriate tone, the sort of massive application--hundreds of incremental edits--that is frustrating if one chooses to cull through it line by line. The contributor has received so many warnings that their edits, though well meaning, constitute a kind of willful ignorance of policy. All the more exasperating since there's an overall positive intent, but I think broad reversions are usually justified in circumstances like this. 76.248.145.169 (talk) 15:27, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I have suggested signing, but he/she claims "it doesn't work" (I've never heard of signing not working), so when things are signed, it's by sinebot. I had only identified one IP (208.102.209.78) that I'm pretty sure is the same person, but now that I look back through the history, I see at least 69.61.187.248 (starting 3/17), 74.83.219.53 (starting on 5/3), that are doing the same style of editing. One or more of these identities has undone several edits that I did to try making the article more NPoV, and less like a tour guide, indicating that I'm likely to just get into an edit war if I try doing anything major (on the zoo talk page he/she threatened to undo anything that I did to his/her edits). Not having any extraordinary powers, I just figured I would wait until someone nominated the article for GA, since it would get the appropriate scrutiny there (I seem to be pretty much alone in watching zoo articles on an ongoing basis). Don Lammers (talk) 17:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * A visit to the content and conduct or edit warring noticeboard may be warranted. That account has received a lion's share (inadvertent zoological reference) of warnings and notices, and bullies forward, editing under the common misapprehensions that personal experience and plenitude of detail, rather than well-written content, are preferable. A shorter, well-crafted and intelligently sourced article is a rare enjoyment.... Prior to nominating the article for GA status, perhaps seek to engage more feedback--I happened on this by chance. As you've noted, the additions of reams of promotional tone weakens the quality of articles. 76.248.145.169 (talk) 20:51, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've reported the account for copyright violations, in addition to the edit history we've discussed. Though I'll be away much of the week, I'm happy to support any major revisions you undertake in the interest of raising the level of the article/s in question, and believe that should you bring this to a noticeboard, along with your rationale, you'll receive constructive support there as well. 76.248.145.169 (talk) 21:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

<--Don, re: your efforts at Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden: I just made a fairly drastic edit which also removed some of your good rewriting. The way I see it, starting such a section from scratch with independent sources (not Zhand's strongest point) and writing it in a neutral fashion (not, "Dragons!") is a lot less work than rewriting that drivel which read like a brochure. My apologies if you think I went too far. Drmies (talk) 04:11, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've tried to nudge things into a different path over the last month or so, and that was obviously not working. Hopefully this will. There is a lot of information in what you deleted, but as you say, I can always get what I need from history. Don Lammers (talk) 04:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you see the ANI thread? Drmies (talk) 04:46, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have taken a look. Don Lammers (talk) 11:21, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Request for Comment: Capitalization of common names of animal species
Hello. Just letting you know that I've posted the following at a number of project talk pages:

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Rather important WP:ZOO thing...
Now that The Arbiter is gone, and ZooPro has given up his position as coordinator of WP:ZOO, I think it would be best for YOU to take their place, as I have no personal interest myself in becoming a coordinator of any kind. Please respond quickly, thank you, <font color="#004730" face="Georgia">Beluga <font color="#004730" face="Chalkboard">boy ''cup of tea? 01:39, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'm flattered, and I don't object. It would give people a name to come to if they have questions about the project, and not too many other people have worked on as many zoo articles as I have. Do I have to post a proposal? Is there anyone else who is likely to care? Don Lammers (talk) 02:04, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Right now, I'm not nearly knowledgeable enough (I'm turning two WikiYears old just before Christmas) and the person you might want to ask about that is ZooPro. I'll talk to him, if you like. <font color="#004730" face="Georgia">Beluga <font color="#004730" face="Chalkboard">boy ''cup of tea? 23:07, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

He's not watching things regularly now, so it might be a while getting an answer. Then again, I guess we have the time... Don Lammers (talk) 03:26, 27 September 2011 (UTC)