User talk:Doom127/archive 2004 to Jan 2006

Controversial tag
I didnt mean to sound like an a-hole in my comment statement if I did. I want to keep that tag in just so people who stumble upon the article are aware, without having to go through that whoel discussion mess. IM aware that its mostly due to B4L and his sockpuppets, but stumble-upon users wouldnt immediately realize that. ANyway. I really want to help fix up this article, and since now we can actualyl do that, you want to delegate anythign to me? --Larsinio 17:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * You didn't sound rude at all, no offense was taken. If you want to help out with Kutaragi, just go ahead and dive right in. If you see something that can be improved or changed for the better, go right ahead. Now that we can actually work on the article without fear of dealing with B4L's reverts, things are starting to improve dramatically. Daniel Davis 17:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

Quakeshot and Doom127 Argument
The two of you need to reach a compromise. Doom127 you can't prove Quakeshot is a sockpuppet so I would stop arguing about that. Quakeshot you need to give up your vendetta against Doom127 and stop following his contributions. Quakeshot and Doom127 can you two post your side of the story here for quick reference. Jedi6 18:47, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * "Doom127 you can't prove Quakeshot is a sockpuppet"
 * If I may, I will answer that with a single word. Bull. Quackshot created his account JUST A FEW days ago, RIGHT AFTER HIS OTHER IPS WERE OUTED, yet, despite being a "new user", already knows all the wiki ins and outs (like examining user contrib sheets for changes). He speaks with the EXACT SAME broken english that Brazil4Linux talks in (How you prove I am a sockpuppet). His ONLY EDITS, with the exception of one, have been the exact same ones Brazil4Linux did; that is, he put forth the exact same versions of the exact same articles that Brazil did. HE IS A SOCKPUPPET. Saying "I can't prove it" is tantamount to saying "if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, then it must be something else". There isn't ANY clearer example of sockpuppetry availiable on Wikipedia to this day. Daniel Davis 01:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127


 * Oh yes, I should mention, why don't you do an IP address trace on the IP 201.29.14.111? You'll notice that HE'S DOING THE EXACT SAME THINGS HE WAS DOING BEFORE. THE IP TRACES DIRECTLY BACK TO THE SAME BRAZIL ISP THAT HE WAS USING. Daniel Davis 01:16, 17 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

Just to let you know Doom127, Quakeshot was banned for 24 hours for breaking the 3 revert rule on the Virtual Boy page Jedi6 01:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh thank god... maybe I'll actually get some peace around here. I mean, damn, I don't have anything against the guy, I just want him to stop following me around and attacking my edits! I'll restate, I don't have anything against the guy at all, and I think that, before all this broke out, that he was a good editor. Maybe he just needs some time to cool off. Daniel Davis 01:34, 17 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)
 * Quackshot, remember to be civil to all users. Don't puppy guard Doom127, he hasn't done anything wrong. Jedi6 01:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Warning
Quackshot and Doom127, you two need to stop your war. It is messing up Wikipedia and I can't even follow what you are arguing about anymore. If you keep this up both of you are going to end up banned one day. Jedi6 20:25, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Blanking
This message is regarding the page Talk:Ken Kutaragi. Please stop removing content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. &asymp; jossi &asymp; t &bull; @ 03:57, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Quackshot
Quackshot has been banned indefintly for violating his 24 hour ban. Also he has been tagged as a suspected sockpuppet of BrazilLinux. Jedi6 21:48, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Also Brazil4Linux was blocked for one week for using a sockpuppet to avoid the 3RR. Just thought you liked to know. Jedi6 00:36, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I have a suspicous feeling he is going to make a second sockpuppet. Jedi6 02:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I hope that he understands not to do that. All we want is "peace in the valley", you know what I mean? I don't understand why some people just can't get along... Daniel Davis 04:02, 19 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)
 * If you have any more problems with Brazil4Linux or anything else just ask on my talk page. Jedi6 04:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I know what you mean. Also he posts at the same time of day Brazil and Quack did.  In fact at the same time Quack would have realized he was banned was when he appeared.  But we must keep good faith and just watch him.  Even if he is Brazil, he seems to be behaving so far. Jedi6 21:03, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I asked User:Fred Bauder, who can check User IP's, about GroundZero.
 * Its all coming in from the same country, on variable ips. Brazil has one provider. GroundZero and Quackshot have another. So probable but not definitive, you'll have to go by the edits.
 * To report or not to report. On one side he is disobeying Wiki policy, on the other he is being good now. Jedi6 20:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

persuaded
I posted a response to your comments to my talk page (it just seems easier to keep the conversation all in one place.) Paul C/T+ 11:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Oddie
I know he is suspicious but you have to wait until proof is given. But if he is Brazil4Linux I am going to bring him in for arbitration. Jedi6 02:40, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you know where that IP address came from that posted recently on Ken Kutaragi page. Jedi6 02:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


 * 1- He's a brand new user; his ONLY contributions were in this argument.
 * 2- He writes with precisely Brazil's writing tone.
 * 3- He shares the exact same misperceptions (he's the only person who claims that there's a paragraph where "Kutaragi persuades Nintendo"), along with being the only person who spells defame as "difame".
 * 4- He calls everyone who disagrees with Brazil "XBox fanboys".
 * 5- He popped out RIGHT after GroundZero disappeared, and GZ hasn't said a single word since then.
 * If this guy ISN'T a sockpuppet of Brazil, I'll eat my hat. Daniel Davis 03:08, 22 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)


 * I know but he has only made one edit. It is getting tiring especially since he is making sockpuppets quicker than I can get them banned.  I don't know why he didn't fight for GroundZero, he wasn't banned yet. Jedi6 03:22, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


 * He switched away from GroundZero because that account was "outed" by the majority of the group. He thinks he can hide behind this new one and get away with it. He actually thinks he's fooling us! Daniel Davis 03:27, 22 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)


 * Once he contributes a little more I am going to ask if I can get an user check again. Then I am going to try and stop him at the source. Jedi6 03:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I shall leave the situation in your capable hands then. Daniel Davis 03:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)
 * I still can't remember how I got into this. I remember there was an argument on the GameCube page but then there was nothing for a week or two....It hasn't been that long has it? Jedi6 03:51, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Been a really, really long time... I think the first involvement in this with you came on December 3 in the Cube discussion; that was before Brazil and his puppets had started wandering around on contrib pages and making random reverts. I've never seen anyone keep up this kind of behavior like he has for so long Daniel Davis 05:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)
 * He has gone back to using GroundZero. He has to change his username though because it is too close to another. Jedi6 01:03, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * GroundZero has really given up all pretenses that he isn't Brazil4Linux. This is getting more and more annoying Jedi6 06:31, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

More about Brazil
Well now Brazil4Linux is up to 4 banned users. Jedi6 21:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I noticed. Let's just hope that he learns to play nice soon... otherwise there's gonna be no hope left for the Kutaragi article. Daniel Davis 22:04, 23 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)
 * Am I the only one suspicious of the Users who vandalized your front page? Jedi6 02:28, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * In fact both BreakingRules and CoreSystem use the same two word user name all of Brazil4Linux's sockpuppets did. They are blocked now but I would watch out, there are few users who would attack you on their first edit Jedi6 02:42, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * My gosh, I had no idea someone had even done anything to my user page. I was gone all of yesterday with Christmas celebrations with my family. Brazil must be a very lonely person if that's the only thing that makes him happy on this time of year.

Daniel Davis 18:10, 24 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

Personal Attack
Oh really, you follow Jesus Christ, really? Then, honor your family and your condition and put your real name in your profile. Leave your familiars known what type of "Man" you are in the Internet.
 * Gone to personal attacks now Brazil4Linux Jedi6 01:00, 25 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I truly pity a man that has such little recourse in their arguments that they must resort to petty vandalism and personal attacks. Daniel Davis 02:34, 25 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

Merry Christmas
I just wanted to tell you that I think it's truly awesome how you've kept your cool during this whole B4L fiasco. To be honest, I'm a little disappointed in the third-party editors who came in and initially put the blame on both of you equally. Although, it's surely clear now who was the real antagonist, you shouldn't have had to put up with that.

So, now, having nothing better to do, B4L is vandalizing your page. Well, maybe I can contribute too. With an award that is. Take this, you earned it (if you like, cut it from above and put it on your page). Merry Christmas.

-- Hinotori(talk) 08:42, 25 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much, Hinotori. I've put it right there on my userpage, just above the ducks. I actually have something in my "Special Wiki Things" section now. Hurray! :) Daniel Davis 09:04, 25 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

Thank you
For noting the verifiability of my chipmunk, although I would have prefered that it remain its own article, alas my inability to provide proper sources for my stubs will always haunt me like a smarck in the face--Ytrewqt 06:17, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Your use of Latin was helpful. It should be noted that, despite my research into matters of all things regarding Chipmunks, the term "frosted chipmunk" hasn't entered my vocabulary. You may want to see if perhaps an alternate term instead of "frosted" is used? Daniel Davis 06:19, 26 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

Excessive smarck
Does this look made up to you? Ytrewqt ** Image Removed ** 07:14, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * It's a chipmunk. What KIND of chipmunk it may be, of that I'm not aware. What might, perhaps, be something to better advance your point of view would be the source from whence your image came from, and, if you can, a site that describes said chipmunk in detail.


 * Bear in mind that I take no sides, only look at the facts at hand. If you are truly in the right, then you should have no qualms about revealing your sources.


 * Cheers, Daniel Davis 08:06, 26 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

Removed your comments from RfP
I appreciate the defense but I reverted Gibraltarian's request. Without his request there, your comments look odd. :-D G is a banned user who keeps trying to go around his block. I (and others) are reverting all of his edits in an attempt to get him to stop. He's using a dynamic IP so semi protection is our only choice. We're actually looking at semi protecting the talk pages on those 2 articles. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 11:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I understand the removal. I wish you the best of luck in preserving the peace. :) Daniel Davis 12:01, 27 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

Happy Birthday!
Just saw your cake. Very nice. Many more!Paul C/T+ 08:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for the kind wishes. Daniel Davis 08:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

Happy Birthday! :) -- Hinotori(talk) 08:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! There's a nice little celebration planned with the wife and family... Saw a wrapped package that looks suspiciously like a stuffed duck I've been wanting. :D Here's hoping your days are just as happy. Daniel Davis 08:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

We now have something else in common
Guess whose page just got vandalized SEVEN times? :D Really, from B4L, I consider it almost a badge of honor. The funny part is that all 7 efforts lasted a total of 4 minutes. Also amusing to me is the fact that he used the exact same "description" that he used on yours. Creative mastermind eh? ;) -- Hinotori(talk) 00:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * As long as he's vandalizing our pages (pages that most people never see), that means that he can't vandalize the Kutaragi page. So there is a bright side to that. :) Daniel Davis 20:36, 29 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)


 * Just a moment of reflection, I didn't imagine B4L having the malice to mess up user pages during the Xbox edit war. At that time, he seemed like a veteran wiki with a decent history, his worse comeback was "Xbox fanboy". Although the article already stated that the Xbox wasn't doing well, B4L liked making prominent comparisons to PS2 sales and he insisted on having a tabloid wikinews headline that exaggerated failures. Ending up there was a resolution without admin protection, thanks to the help of a mediator.
 * But I could have never foresaw the battle he would put up to get his way in Ken Kutaragi. That was where hipocrosity came in: putting in lots of effort to make the Xbox look bad by whatever means possible, and then making all bad info on Sony and the PS2 just vanish. One good example is the Sony Computer Entertainment article, where another registered user rebuked B4L for making unecessary sales comparisons to the Xbox and GameCube.
 * Essentially, all that hipocrosity, plus anti-Microsoft rants, and the (6 and counting) sockpuppets and endless personal attacks, that means the end of Brazil4Linux's wiki user reputation. --GoldDragon 19:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well said, GoldDragon, well said. Daniel Davis 01:33, 30 December 2005 (UTC) (Doom127)

thank you
For your comments. It's much appreciated. The kicker for me is that this is only the 3rd time I've blocked someone for anything other than vandalism. So it's not like I even do this alot. Anyway, whether I stay or leave is based on more than just this. I got myself entangled in 5 separate disputes and I'm just worn out. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 05:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year...but Brazil4Linux is back
Doom127, some anon user (201.29.9.154 ) is sticking a POV wikinews headline into the Xbox article. This issue was already resolved a month back with all of us agreeing that it had to go because it misrepresented the original source. I have a good feeling that its B4L going out for revenge, messing up our pages if he can't touch Ken Kutaragi. Although it isn't an edit war yet, I'll give you a notice if its going to erupt into one. Hopefully, we won't have to put the Xbox article into protection. --GoldDragon 14:40, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, check this out, it turns out that Brazil4Linux made up this misleading POV headline in order to push his anti-Microsoft views on the Xbox page. --GoldDragon 20:30, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with you that a Permablock is needed if Brazil4Linux's charade goes on. I'm already tired of him just reverting without discussing, but he went too far when he vandalized admin Alkivar's page. Another alternative is to semi-protect all videogame console articles and this would prevent him from being anon when he messes with it. --GoldDragon 13:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Dungeon Siege Proof
On User Talk:Jimbo Wales User:Dungeon Siege complains about Wikipedia's abusiveness but all of his "proof" is about User:Brazil4Linux. Jedi6 22:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Now Brazil4Linux is back on the Xbox page with Microsoft Fanboy in an attempt to skirt his 1 month ban. His quote "Wikinews is a sister project of Wikipedia and should be divulged" is almost exactly like Brazil4Linux's "Back with Wikinews link, because we should divulge Wikimedia projects if possible" and "We should divulge Wikimedia projects as possible". I think that a Permablock is the only way. --GoldDragon 9:30, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, since his ip is dynamic, I don't think it's physically possible for us to block the user permanently without blocking a whole lot of other potential users. B4L has shown a staggering amount of persistence in creating sockpuppets and aliases, and no singular block will stop him regardless of how long it is. I'm almost for blocking a whole subnet at this point due to his persistence, but I know that's not the wiki way. -- Hinotori(talk) 18:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Re
I don't recall supporting him anywhere. I don't blindly support editors when asked to look into an issue. K1Bond007 18:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Mediation request
Hi Jacoplane, GoldDragon and Doom127 &mdash;

I'm sorry that there has been no response until now about the mediation request left at WP:RFM#Ken_Kutaragi. Is there still a desire to hold a mediation? Please remember that both parties involved must agree to the mediation &mdash; it's entirely voluntary and everyone must be trying to reach peace. If not all parties want mediation, your better alternatives may be WP:RFC and WP:RFAr (the latter only if previous dispute resolution steps have been followed).

If there is a desire from all parties to be involved in mediation, then one can be set up. Otherwise I can delete the entry.

&mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  17:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I need to walk away for a bit
If I keep looking at this argument for very long I may very well completely lose my temper. Could you watch it for a while? I hope some good comes out of this, because if this just becomes a freaking colossal waste of time, I might have to go shoot myself. -- Hinotori(talk) 23:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Duck
I always knew you were a sockpuppet!!!!! You can't escape the truth now. (looks around) Secretly I'm the sixth sockpuppet of Jedi. (Shhh. Don't tell). Jedi6 01:01, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It was that [Mallard Hen] that told you, wasn't it? I never could count on her to keep a secret. Always quackin bout anything anyone ever told her... Daniel Davis 01:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC) (Doom127)
 * Yep, she told me. How are you doing? Jedi6 01:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Doing great! Job going well, no Brazil4Linux troubles anymore, and I'm working on programming a puzzle game that I think is going to do really well. Daniel Davis 02:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC) (Doom127)

Microsoft Fanboy
Is this Brazil or someone else? Jedi6 04:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


 * He's a sock of Brazil. I saw that he made an edit today; do you think he's come back? Daniel Davis 05:11, 24 January 2006 (UTC) (Doom127)
 * Just call if you need any help with him. Jedi6 05:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok I'm watching the page. I would have been quicker but you posted on my user page so I didn't get a new message window. Jedi6 03:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well the page is protected so that should stop him for now. Jedi6 03:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It got semi protected? Hurray! Thanks for the heads up. Daniel Davis 03:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC) (Doom127)