User talk:Doomsdayer520/Archive 8

Themis (software)
I just moved Themis (software) to draft space, as the primary contributor appears to be engaged in promotional editing. Could you comment on your decision to mark the article as reviewed when you came across it in the new pages queue? signed,Rosguill talk 23:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * - That is a rather odd request. I review an average of about 12 new articles per day, while your average is at least 200. Can you remember your exact thought process when you clicked the checkmark button on the 159th review you did 47 days ago? Whenever I review a new article I do a basic notability check and read the text in full to watch for language that is historically inaccurate, blatantly promotional, full of typos, etc. As for Themis software, I can conclude that I found no such problems while reviewing the article. Even in its current form I find it geeky but not blatantly promotional for a product that really does exist and got some notice in its esoteric field. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 15:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's ok if you don't remember, in which case I would ask about what your current assessment of the article (which you've essentially already provided). That having been said, in this case I'm a bit concerned by your assessment of the sources, as of the cited sources, only one is independent of the subject, and that one appears to be a crowdsourced award that is unlikely to be reliable. Additionally, the primary editor's contribution history should have raised red flags of paid or COI editing. Please be more careful with software articles in the future. signed,Rosguill talk 16:21, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * - We can agree to disagree on the quality of that particular article's sources. But in long-standing WP practice, if a topic is notable it is not discarded because the person who wrote the article is suspicious. Instead the article is cleaned up by the community. Deal with the suspicious editor as appropriate. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 17:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * er, if we're agreeing to disagree, could you clarify what the substance of your disagreement is? Which sources do you think are independent? Moreover, it is very much part of new page patrol to be on the lookout for paid editing: while we shouldn't be immediately jumping to the worst case scenario, the editor in question here had created 3 articles about Cossack Labs and their products, made almost no edits outside that, and ignored multiple warnings related to promotional editing, including an explicit request for disclosure. In such a situation, moving articles to draftspace until he COI/UPE issues are resolved is the correct course of action. signed,Rosguill talk 17:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * - I see no need for this repetitive discussion, and I already provided the reasoning for your strange original question. My opinion as reviewer is that the article's topic is notable, and if I suspected a possible COI at the time I did not act upon it. Perhaps a minor oversight by me, but so what? Kick the author off of Wikipedia today if it's appropriate, and appeal to the community on whether the software is notable. I also do not appreciate a call to be "more careful" from someone who reviewed 209 articles yesterday. There are sure to be some minor oversights in there. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 17:34, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas to you my dear friend and your family. Do have a good one pal. Celestina007 (talk) 21:00, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

The Great Leap Forward (band)
Hi there, just giving you a quick message as I know you know your music. Looking for a second opinion on this band. Are they "The Great Leap Forward" or "Great Leap Forward" in your opinion? The creator has reverted my attempts to redirect one page to another even though they are exactly the same band. Secondly, do you think they are notable? I'm struggling to find independent sources and was wondering if you could have a quick look please? Many thanks Spiderone  22:56, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It appears to me that that their name should include "The" because that was the way they were usually named in media accounts (but not always). I was going to recommend the usual surefire way to figure out how a band names itself, which is to look at their album covers. But this band did not help itself by having some covers with "The" ; and others without it . If they don't know, then how should anyone else? I recommend keeping "The" in their WP article title. Meanwhile I am undecided on whether they are notable, because they got a little notice in the Alternative music media, but not much. It might be worthy of debate among our AfD crowd. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 15:35, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Getting a Page Indexed
First off, thank you for reviewing a page I have been working on Anthony and James Gaudioso. I was wondering if you could offer some guidance regarding the indexing of this page. I am yet to see it appear on search engines, and it has been past the 90-day mark. I had to redirect the page from the initial naming because the "&" symbol in lieu of the word "and" was causing issues. Any help would be appreciated! Mack22198 (talk) 17:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not know the answer to your question about indexing. There are volunteers at Reference desk who may be able to help. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 16:06, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Record Labels: Hispavox
Hi Doomsdayer, Happy New Year... I hope you are well... I am trying to expand articles about Spanish record labels that have already disappeared, like Hispavox. I have expanded the article by translating one part and researching about their history and producers, which I have incorporated into the Spanish and English version. Can you review it? On the other hand, I deleted the text you suggested in the Draft: Aztec Records Is it possible to publish it now? Which publisher can do it if you can't? Thank you very much.--RafiUbeda (talk) 18:54, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you did a very nice job with Hispavox, though much of the "History" section is devoid of footnotes. Generally every paragraph should have at least one source for confirmation. If one source covers the whole area, the footnotes can be repeated. Also, you can now remove the "Stub" notice from the bottom of the article. Meanwhile I think the Aztec Records article is in good shape for publication, but I am not a member of the team that approves this step for Draft articles. You can mention my endorsement and maybe that team will speed things up. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 16:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Again, thank you very much for your collaboration. Much of the text in Hispavox has been translated from the Spanish version, which has hardly any references, and some of them are broken links. Then I have been adding more information as I have researched and found more references. I will try to find more, since it was a very important record company during those years in Spain, but the Internet had not appeared yet. As for Aztec Records, which is the name of the group that reviews the drafts? Thank you very much --RafiUbeda (talk) 17:18, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * For Aztec Records you will have to go through the organization represented in the big yellow "Review waiting..." box at the bottom of the article. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 17:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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Inappropriate Links
Hi Doomsdayer, Thank you very much for reviewing the page David Semah and for fixing the links issues. I wrongly believed that the more links I add the more reliable the article is. As for the “Links and Press Releases” section, may I add links only in entries referring to things others have written about David Semah? Such as:

•	David Semah, Department of Arabic Language and Literature, University of Haifa

•	"Four Egyptian Literary Critics", By Shimon Ballas - On the Book of David Semah, "HaAretz", November 29, 1974

(There are no more than 3 or 4 such entries)

I have added Authority Control data, and rephrased the sentence: “was one of the most prominent scholars of Arabic literature in Israel” into “was a scholar of Arabic Literature” to comply with the NPOV policy. David Semah passed away about 23 years ago, and a short summary of his life story and academic life appears at the Haifa University website: http://arabic.haifa.ac.il/index.php/en/in-memory/2012-01-15-07-50-47 --MenasheSemah (talk) 02:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The problem with the links that I removed was not their quality, but the way they were used as blue links. Instead, use them as footnotes, like the 20 footnotes that are already in the article. The links you listed are fine in themselves. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 03:46, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

4Girls
Hi - I see you added a template saying that "This article relies too much on references to primary sources." - I am curious as to why since I only see 2 of the 12 references referring back to their own website. I checked the Wikipedia page "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary,_secondary_and_tertiary_sources" and read it carefully as well. I don't think I understand, so I am hoping you can explain. Thank you. Steal the Kosher Bacon (talk) 07:11, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, "Primary" was probably the wrong term for my concern. You are correct about the number of citations to the group's own website. But other sources in the article, such as CBInsights and the first Hebrew site, are just brief database listings and may fall under the Wikipedia definition of unreliable sources. Also, those don't accomplish much beyond stating the group's existence online. I will remove the "Primary" template but recommend less reliance on those questionable sources. --- <b style="color:#C71585"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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NPP
Hey Doomsdayer520 - hope you don't mind me dropping in randomly, but I saw your request at Barkeep49's talk, and thought I'd offer a few words - feel free to revert/archive if you're not interested. I don't pretend to know why you're considering hanging up your NPP tools, but if it's got anything to do with the notices above, I'd advise you just to take it on the chin: different people have different thresholds, and two excellent editors can disagree in good faith on a judgement call about a new article. If you're fed up of NPP at the moment, you can literally just stop doing it - no need to hand in the PERM, or to make a formal resignation - just stop. Goodness knows there are plenty of people with the permission who don't actually do much reviewing (if it were otherwise, we wouldn't have a backlog...). Then, if you feel like starting up again, you can just start doing it again.

Your call, of course, I just wanted to counsel you against doing something hasty because you were pissed off about something someone else did - I'd urge you to make your own decisions on your own terms. Cheers Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  17:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the friendly comments. The messages that you noticed above are just the latest of several, and they indicate procedural problems rather than anything about my feelings. --- <b style="color:#C71585"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:18, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello
What’s this about? Are you thinking of slowly leaving the project or is there a grievance or backstory to that request? Your contributions at NPP has been very much stellar. Celestina007 (talk) 10:31, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the concern in your message. If anyone else happens to ask, here are some unsatisfactory aspects of the NPP Project.
 * 1. The project's rules, and many of its participants, regularly confuse the difference between reviewing and patrolling, leading to unhelpful reversals and critiques of each other's actions.
 * 2. Even though the project has "quality not quantity" of reviewing plastered all over its rules and guidelines, people who blast through several reviews every minute and hundreds every day (not including that bot that handles redirects) got all the glory in the recent effort to cut down the 10000+ backlog, which wasn't really a crucial problem to start with. Consider me a skeptic on the quality of work by the mega-reviewers.
 * 3. I spend about one hour per day of pure volunteer time doing "quality" reviews and get through about 12 each day because I do notability checks, add to Projects, and even clean up the really sloppy ones. But on several recent occasions, some of the aforementioned mega-reviewers who click the checkmark on something every ten seconds questioned or reverted my own reviews because I did or didn't add some edit tag. So I do some reviews and then get reviewed by other reviewers.
 * 4. And just for the record, I spent the past two years consistently in the Top 20 at this list but didn't get noticed until I asked to resign.
 * None of the above has caused hurt feelings, but there is a shortage of returns for selfless volunteering. --- <b style="color:#C71585"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I’m sorry to hear this, I do agree with some of your aforementioned points & share some of your frustrations, I really do, but honestly as pointed out you really should have just temporarily stopped doing reviews or editing altogether then return after a few days or weeks(I usually do this to maintain equilibrium) rather than request for the removal of the perm, it saddens me. Wikipedia editing in its entirety can be daunting and mentally stressful, we really cannot afford to lose you, there are very few editors who truly understand page assessment and you are definitely part of them. Celestina007 (talk) 23:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Help
Happy new year sir...please help review this page Wofai Fada Amosflash (talk) 08:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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Film Release this Month
Hi Doomsdayer520, I wanted to see if you can re-review the page: Draft:Erēmīta (Anthologies) Much more credible sources and a release date is out for this month. I even included some of the links from major movie theatre pages, direct proof of a theatrical release (with the film on the schedule). Thanks so so much!! (Jakoobcherry (talk) 11:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC))

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WP:cleanup archiving
Hey, Doomsdayer520. I saw you archiving entries from the WP:cleanup page and I changed some things in the archive, so let me explain why. The current convention is to put entries fixed before they were 1 year old in their own section to distinguish them from those that were archived because they were 1 year old. Maybe this convention is not ideal, but please discuss on the project's talk page if you want to change it.

Also, I noticed archive 16 is getting quite large, so I'll make a new archive 17 soon. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 16:36, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - That's no big deal, and I simply misread the structure of the archive pages. However, allow me to make an observation. An "Archive" implies items that are stored for future reference but no longer matters of active concern. Those Archive pages have dozens and dozens of requests for cleanup that were never acted upon for more than a year, and putting them in an Archive condemns them to be forgotten. Perhaps if a cleanup request receives no solution for one year, it should be relisted at the top of the active request list, or declared "Moot" or something similar if the old request is no longer relevant.
 * P.S. I was active at the Cleanup Project before 2018, but then most of my volunteer time was monopolized by the New Pages Patrol, which invited me to join. I recently quit that team and decided to return to the Cleanup Project for my daily volunteer editing efforts. I am ready to take a bite out of the backlog as best I can. Thanks. --- <b style="color:#2F4F4F"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 18:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * There's an interesting bit of history here. Between September 23 and October 21, the size of the WP:cleanup page was reduced from 86000 bytes to 7000, with many years-old entries being withdrawn, or reviewed and found to no longer be accurate. That was also the time that it was decided to archive posts that have gone unaddressed for one year. One editor in the discussion gave as rationale: the backlog for a project like this could be theoretically infinite, and long backlogs are intimidating.
 * I think it still makes sense (?). The page is already quite full with only entries from just the last year, at around 60000 bytes. If all unresolved, still valid entries had been relisted rather than archived... it might well be twice as big. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 19:47, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Macro
fyi, closure attempt by involved editor... Acousmana (talk) 17:42, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * further on this, suspect 'Artur Berkut,' is a sock, being used to skew consensus - of the very few edits Berkut made in 10 years, coincidence these line up? Additionally, it appears Stefan Goldmann, Macro label co-owner, is the son of Friedrich Goldmann. Don't let me jump to any conclusions here, but this extended spat with Jerome Kohl would lead me believe that a certain editor indeed has a COI here. Acousmana (talk) 12:54, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * - I think you have compelling evidence. I recommend copying this to that Macro Recordings AfD. --- <b style="color:#2F4F4F"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:02, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Once Upon a Forest (soundtrack)
Sorry, looks like we tripped over each other doing the merge. GenQuest "scribble" 18:15, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * - Thanks. Between the two of us we surely made the destination article more informative. --- <b style="color:#2F4F4F"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 23:59, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

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Good day, <b style="color:#2F4F4F"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> hope this finds you well, please help me review this page Director K and Mp3Bullet the pages are totally in order and needs review. Thank you and God bless Deplug1 (talk) 09:00, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Please do not spam other users, such Doomdayer, to review over pages that you've created. That is considered as WP:ADS. I see you also requested the pages to be reviewed on Nearlyevil665's talk page as well. I do not want to remind you again as I did on my talk page and yours. If I continue to see this behavior through you're contributions, I will have no choice but to either warn you and/or report you to the admins. Make sure this is your last and final. <b style="color:red">Jack Reynolds</b> (<b style="color:blue">talk to me</b> &#124; <b style="color:grey">email me</b>) 12:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

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For You: Kimi no Tame ni Dekiru Koto
Then why is it categorised and projected as an album? Happy to bow to your better knowledge, but consistency might help - otherwise english readers (like me!) may be confused by the differences. --Richhoncho (talk) 17:04, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * - That indicates that the categories are wrong, not the infobox. 17:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Good faith answer to a TR
16:59, 26 May 2021‎ Doomsdayer520 talk contribs‎ m 13,900 bytes 0‎  Doomsdayer520 moved page Forever & Always (song) to Forever & Always without leaving a redirect: request at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests undothank
 * Hi Doomsdayer, I know that you're just responding to an editors request but there are multiple topics at Forever and Always, is this really different because of ampersand. Can you please restore and ask the editor to use RM process. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * - Talk to the person who made the original request. That person did use the RM process, which is where I learned about the request, and you copied one edit summary but missed the fact that I restored a redirect in a separate edit. (The first time, I neglected to check a box in the automated page move process but fixed it moments later.) Your concern about the ampersand doesn't mean I have to reverse anything. Nor does it mean you can't do it yourself or request again at the RM page. --- <b style="color:#FF8C00"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 21:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

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AfD contribution
Hi Doomsdayer520,

I hope you're having a great day. I noticed that you review music biographies mostly. One of my page about an artist who meets many criteria under MUSICBIO has been put for AfD by a mod, I was wondering if you could contribute your thoughts on the talk page. The artist is signed to UMG (proof given on Talk Page), He is featured on NY Times Square Billboards, worked with a famous artist, his music has been a theme song for a TV show, he was spotted on charts and more..Can you please check the page and add your thoughts? I strongly believe the page shouldn't be deleted that's why.

Here is the page link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Marmo_(musician)

Thanks D3FAULTX8 (talk) 07:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Musician advice
Hi, hope all is well. Yarah Bravo seems to have an issue with promo etc. Can I get your opinion on notability? Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 18:29, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * - That article is probably eligible for an AfD. Beyond brief mentions, I can find nothing in reliable media sources about her, and her material is only available at the usual streaming services where anybody can upload their own stuff. The list of "Press Quotes" at the bottom of the article is especially interesting. All of those same self-produced sites repeat these quotes, but I cannot find most of the originals (e.g. a search at mtv.com brings up neither her nor the quote about her). The quote from BBC actually turns out to be real, but it is in relation to someone else's album . --- <b style="color:#FF8C00"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:00, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * - I forgot about this for a couple weeks, and I see you're now on an extended Wiki-break. Anyway, I took this singer to AfD; see Articles for deletion/Yarah Bravo. --- <b style="color:#FF8C00"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 15:45, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

About Chuu of Loona
Hi, I always appreciate editing Band-Maid (I love this band!) article.

By the way, I noticed that you edited K-pop group Loona's Chuu single album article today.

I knew Loona and Chuu first after finding and reading Loona news article in March 2021.

I created Chuu's article in Japanese wikipedia because I'm a Japanese native speaker.

I think that Chuu's article should be moved from her draft article to her mainspace due to her notability.

She recently appears as an individual in TV shows, ads and her YouTube channel, not only as a member of Loona.

I call for wikipedia users to edit her article in talk:Loona now.

Would you join editing her draft article to move it to her mainspace if you have no problem? --Hatto0467 (talk) 09:42, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * - The problem with the article for Chuu is that she has done nothing notable outside of the Loona operations. (In other words, her activities outside of Loona have not earned significant media coverage.) Chuu (single album) is actually a Loona release and it does not indicate that she has a notable solo career. I edited that album article a few times, about two years ago, because it had some errors and not because of any opinion on Chuu's career. --- <b style="color:#FF8C00"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 15:03, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Notability... But 2 Loona members Choerry and ViVi articles were created. I think that Chuu is more notable than them because she has starred in a web drama and she is a 520,000 subscribers' YouTuber. However, as well as Chuu, do you think that both Choerry and ViVi is not notable? (I'm so sorry, my English is not so good) --Hatto0467 (talk) 16:23, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * - I think that Choerry and ViVi have the same shortage of notability outside of Loona, but nobody noticed until after those articles were created. Note that both of their articles have messages at the top asking for more evidence of notability. If nobody ever adds that evidence, those two articles could possibly be deleted. The only difference for Chuu is that someone noticed this problem when you created her article, and that is why it did not graduate from "draft" status. On the good side, I think you may have useful information on the various members that could be used to enhance the Loona group article. --- <b style="color:#FF8C00"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 01:03, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, I noticed that you commented your message on Articles for deletion/Choerry yesterday. In addition, I also commented my message there. Please comment your message if you have no problem because I made deletion requests of Loona-related draft articles. --Hatto0467 (talk) 12:59, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Kim Ji-Woo
 * Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Yves (singer)
 * - Some other editors have commented on those, in terms of the correct procedures to follow. --- <b style="color:#FF8C00"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 13:32, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Redirects to articles at AfD
I occasionally check for articles which have been replaced by a redirect to a target at AfD, because good content has been lost that way in the past. I appreciate that this is a good-faith way to streamline the AfD process, but would it be better to include the related articles explicitly in the nomination? Certes (talk) 23:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * - I assume you're talking about my recent redirects to Ainjel Emme, and if so one example does not indicate any sort of trend. That was because sometimes a musician's article is deleted but their albums get left behind, and then they have to be cleaned up via WP:A9. That could happen if Ainjel Emme's article is deleted, so I checked her albums to see if they should also be nominated for deletion. I decided that the albums were non-notable so I redirected them to the musician, which is common procedure per WP:NALBUMS. It happens quite a lot among editors who work on articles for musicians and albums. I don't think "good content" is being lost in this case. --- <b style="color:#66CDAA"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 13:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that these albums have a clear case for deletion. I started checking after I caught another editor killing off articles they disliked by replacing them with redirects to unrelated articles being deleted via AfD.  I had a word with that editor and wanted to check that the practice had stopped.  My first run didn't find any naughtiness, but it did find good-faith entries from several editors, including a set of albums that you had redirected.  (I forget the artist, and any traces will have been deleted by now.)  That got me wondering how widespread and accepted this method of deletion is.  If it's normal then there's no problem.  Certes (talk) 14:21, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

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Diablada
Just commenting here to thank you for the merge on the Diablada article, but also to point out a discrepancy with the comment made about the dance's origin. I think it's reckless to make such a statement in a contentious article. Most serious scholarship of the dance does not assign a "national origin" to this dance as it predates the existence of all these South American states. That line of argument is generally pushed forth by Bolivian and Peruvian nationalists that have little interest in the academic study of the dance.--<b style="color: Olive">MarshalN20</b> <sup style="color: maroon">✉ 🕊 03:26, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * - That was not a "statement" that I made in the "article", but my own perspective on the talk page about the need to clean that whole mess up. I have no involvement in this academic argument, though perhaps I should have said something like the geographic region within the present Bolivia. The article still includes the verified arguments on how the dance originated before the present national borders, and those arguments were there before and remain unchanged. And I did the work on behalf of Wikipedia's readers, not to get drawn into this neverending debate myself. Otherwise thank you for acknowledging the effort. Spruce it up if necessary, but at least now we don't have six different repetitive and inconsistent articles. --- <b style="color:#66CDAA"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 12:33, 8 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, it's not just the Diablada article that's affected by these arguments. Editors from Bolivia are in an enduring nationalist crusade across different culture articles (e.g., ) to brand traditional Andean folklore, created before the modern nation-states, as exclusive to their country. I understand the value of perspective and that objectivity is impossible, but my intention was just to advice on the delicate nature of comments favorable to SPAs from these countries solely interested in nationalist propaganda. I recall an editor even revealed a few of the IP addresses promoting these nationalist content were editing directly from Bolivia's presidential palace. I apologize if my comment offended you as that was not my intention. Happy editing.--<b style="color: Olive">MarshalN20</b> <sup style="color: maroon">✉ 🕊 00:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021
Hello ,

Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.

Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our  Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but  there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.

At the time of the last newsletter (#25, December 2020) the backlog was only just over 2,000 articles. New Page Review is an official system. It's the only firewall against the inclusion of new, improper pages.

There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process or its software. Various awards are due to be allocated by the end of the year and barnstars are overdue. If you would like to manage this, please let us know. Indeed, if you are interested in coordinating NPR, it does not involve much time and the tasks are described here. To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here. Sent to 827 users. 04:31, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Sputnikmusic as a reliable source
Hello. May I ask you to share your thoughts on this topic? Somehow it still didn't gain any traction. 2.92.125.160 (talk) 18:26, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * - That is a very active discussion board and things tend to fall through the cracks. You could simply start a new discussion thread and hopefully the second one will get noticed. Incidentally, I think Sputnik is useful in determining that an album was released, and can be used to verify historical events at the band's article, but Sputnik is not so useful for determining if the album in notable, due to the unreliable editors that you mentioned. --- <b style="color:#66CDAA"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Help with Moving Ratheesh Ambat to Rathish Ambat
Hello,

There is a typo in the title of the article Ratheesh Ambat, I believe that should be moved to Rathish Ambat. Can you have a look into this?

59.99.95.2 (talk) 13:12, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * - It is currently impossible to "move" (re-title) this article because two years ago, someone kept recreating articles under the director's true name even though he was deemed non-notable under Wikipedia's rules. The current article with his name misspelled was someone's attempt to get around that decision. That current article is likely to be deleted too. --- <b style="color:#66CDAA"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:49, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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Could you please return?
NPP can be frustrating, but I beg could you please re apply for this perm? your absence is felt. Celestina007 (talk) 18:48, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * - My opinion has not changed since the last time we discussed this. Though I'm curious about whether anyone has addressed that project's asinine procedures, as reviewers and patrollers check and uncheck and recheck the same article multiple times while telling each other they're doing it wrong. Also, I remain uninterested until "reviewer" is no longer the valid term for someone who looks at an article for five seconds then clicks the checkmark, while basking in so-called appreciation for doing that 250 times a day. --- <b style="color:#66CDAA"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 02:34, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * My dear friend I’m not oblivious of your grievance about the system and how it works or ought to work and I don’t think you are incorrect but can’t you reapply (you are over qualified) get it back then, as a “family” discuss this extensively here? Celestina007 (talk) 11:05, 21 November 2021 (UTC)