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Dermatology
Do you have a specific interest in dermatology? ---kilbad (talk) 13:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You replied just fine. Well, if you ever want to get more involved in editing dermatology content on wikipedia, I am always looking for more help ;) ---kilbad (talk) 17:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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Koroška statistical region ‎
Hi Doremo, yes it might be a half English and half Slovene mishmash, but it is still what is used officially in the English version of the source ... none of the other regions are translated (Jugovzhodna Slovenija, Notranjsko-Kraška ...), so I really think it should stay as Koroška ... Carinthia is used in other articles relating to Carinthia. I have added the same comment on the article talk page. Kaktus999 (talk) 06:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with you entirely on the semantics, but you either translate all the names of statistical regions or none. Mundane as the meanings may be, these are the names given for the statistical regions. Perhaps their meaning in English can be given in the lead.Kaktus999 (talk) 08:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Prekmurian the received, Prekmurje is secondary
The prekmurian language is the received name, Prekmurje language is secondary appellation. Marko Jesenšek, dean of the University of Maribor also as follows apply, that prekmurian language. Alike the german name prekmurische sprache (but apply übermurgebitiesche sprache name), or spanish idioma prekmuro. Doncsecztalk 12:48, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I see, but also yet Greenberg accept to the name prekmurian. This is not Murska Sobota, and Ljubljana, this is Prekmurje, and grammatically likely the transilation Prekmurian. Marko Jesenšek alike apply the prekmurian. Doncsecztalk 09:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Dorem i am at loss, who you, but i am Hungarian Slovene man and my mother thongue the prekmurian. Ours translation of the prekmürščina je prekmurian language, i ask sy adept, whether is sound the prekmurian. Doncsecztalk 09:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

But in the standard english language not stand off to the translation of some region-name, as not yet apposite translation. Accordingly the searchers of the theme oft-times themselves compose to english names. Greenberg and others apply the Prekmurje language, Jesenšek and others the prekmurian language. In the standard not yet normalized name, accordingly accept to either name. But inasmuch as exist to montenegrin language, kajkavian language, čakavian language, štokavian language, consequently correct the prekmurian language. Doncsecztalk 13:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

The prekmurian language is suit to in the english language, contrarily the Prekmurje language not have to epithet. I am Slovene, and claim to the use of the name prekmurian. Before long presentate a petition to the SIL, that enrol to the prekmurian (not prekmurje). Doncsecztalk 09:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Prekmurje
Welcome to wikipedia! I worked quite a lot on the article. User Doncsecz makes continuous, conspicuous and valuable contributions to many subjects related to Prekmurje and the Hungarian Slovenes. He is a very dedicated Wikipedian. However, his contributions need indeed to be edited, both linguistically and regarding content. We have a quite good history of collaboration and he usually accepts my arguments after some debate. I'd be glad to check out the article, and see if I can contribute to a quick and peaceful solution of the edit conflicts you have mentioned. Unfortunately, I have almost no time now; maybe I can get back to it in mid March. I also tend to be forgetful: just drop me a line in two weeks or so, and I hope I can help you then. Cheers, Viator slovenicus (talk) 00:10, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, yes. I am the wrong, the vernacular speaker! None unkid the revesion, even more you the wrong and unkid, as keep at it force to the Prekmurje language name. Doncsecztalk 16:07, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Please, come off! For years was unchallenged the prekmurian version. For the present keep it the prekmurian, as the SIL international then turn the scales. OK? Doncsecztalk 17:22, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm telling you so for the umpteenth time: cut it short the procedure. I ken to Greenberg and also he support the prekmurian language name. If have quarrel with the prekmurian long before mark, namely already see the article. Additionally you start to propaganda on my compatriots, that's very unkind of you! Doncsecztalk 08:04, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Doremo, there you are, have done the serial moves. I upload for two years few hundrad images, articles and others in the wikipedia with name prekmurian. Neither the wikipedia, neither the Commons was not question this name, but was known as the tractates of Greenberg. Thine moves louse up the all process of the registration of the prekmurian language. I reckon you is American, meseems stand off you by the Prekmurje, as i not chip in what kind of appellation welter to in the American continent on the American names. Doncsecztalk 12:14, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

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Vlado Kreslin
Tukaj Kreslin govori, da poje v domačem govoru. Razen tega vem o njem, da zelo rad ima prekmurščino. Doncsecztalk 11:47, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Doremo, see this: the Ča-Val pop-rock cnongregations sing in Čakavian. You is Slovene? Or you so much interest Slovenia? Then please not removed, as between the world wars few Prekmurian regional politics was like to authonom region in Prekmurje. Doncsecztalk 08:29, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

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American English
Hi, I wonder why you're changing British English spellings to American English spellings? --Eleassar my talk 10:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks for reply. The articles should generally be internally consistent, however. (see WP:ENGVAR). --Eleassar my talk 16:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Rezijanščina and Prekmurščina
Please forget it the rezijansko narečje and prekmursko narečje terms, namely scores publications apply the prekmurščina, rezijanščina terms. I know this better, moreover you beforehand disbelieve the Prekmurian identity – this is insult. Evald Flisar also assert: ''The homeland regards Prekmurje not as a part of Slovenia but something peculiar within its borders… It is unthinkable for two Prekmurians to speak with each other in anything but Prekmurian. I used to meet the former President of the Republic Milan Kučan at public events quite often. We always spoke Prekmurian, it would have felt odd to use literary Slovenian, since he is from Prekmurje too. Others joked about us, asking why are we so secretive. When I met a compatriot in Australia, Africa or America, we immediately started to talk in our own language. This is our language.'' Doncsecztalk 15:15, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

In the slovene wikipedia i wrote few article about the Prekmurian language, literature and identity. There was no challange this findings of fact by Slovene sources. Doncsecztalk 15:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

See this: 1 Doncsecztalk 17:20, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Marko Jesenšek was accept the Prekmurian name, next time in the articles will the Prekmurian be. And prekmurščina and rezijanščina, the narečje is communistic terminologys. Doncsecztalk 16:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You this items not to sabotage, prekmurščina is very-very notorious dialect of the Slovene language, otherwise why is the scores study, book, article, film and others? Doncsecztalk 06:30, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

In other word you like stultify to the prekmurščina? I was tell: the Prekmurian have separate literature, in the Halozje dialect exist to 5-6 manuscript. Ágoston Pável in 1942 frame the Prekmurian grammar, which another Slovene dialect have separate grammar? Between the -ščina and -ščina is few difference. The prekmurščina ever so much plentiful dialect. In the books of Vilko Novak, Franci Just, Franc Šebjanič, Ivan Zelko and Ivan Škafar also excel. Doncsecztalk 12:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Koliko pišejo v prekmurščini
This is not true, as because they write more books, other dialects however some and the Church use in the liturgy the Prekmurian. Elsewhere is no liturgy in dialect, do not write stupid! There are now newspapers and calendars in dialect, only in the Raba March. Shoot to a film, and they want to publish new hymnals. I wrote now my dissertation about the Prekmurian Literature./To ni res, ker več knjig izdajo kakor druga narečja in cerkev tudi uporabi v liturgiji. Drugod ni narečne liturgije, ne piši neumnosti! Ni stalnega časopisa in koledarja v narečju drugod samo v Porabju. Režirali so film tudi, pa nove prekmurske pesmarice hočejo izdati. Zdaj sem napisal diplomsko delo tudi o prekmurski književnosti. Doncsecztalk 07:42, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Feri Lainšček: Srebrni brejg, Nigdar ne boš znala, Mislice, Pojep na dejdekovom biciklini, Halgato, and few article in the newspaper Porabje
 * Milan Zrinski is permanent writer in the Slovenski koledar in Hungary
 * Milan Vincetič: Šift v idini, Vujšlo mordje, Srebrni brejg and also permanent writer in the Slovenski koledar
 * Károly Holecz the editor of the Porabje, his book the Andovske parpovejsti
 * Károly Krajczár teacher and gleaner of the Slovene fables in the Raba March
 * Jože Ftičar: Za nápršnjek vedríne prekmurian roman and permanent editor of the catholic Calendar Stopinje
 * Ferenc Mukics wrote two romans: Vtrgnjene korenjé and Garaboncijaš
 * Irén Barbér was also permanent editor of the Porabje and Slovenski koledar, his works in Prekmurian Trnova paut, Živlenje je kratko, Pripovesti pa zgodbe
 * Miki Roš the author of the Prekmurian film Oča, his works Srebrni brejg, Kak san vido svejt spod stola, Škrat Babilon and wrote articles in the Porabje and Slovenski koledar
 * Branko Pintarič: Kak so šli v lejs trejbit and few prekmurian piece
 * From Janko Durič also pieces
 * The Veseli pajdaši (Happy Friends) in Hungary, prekmurian company
 * Prekmurian company in Dobrovnik
 * Jože Brumen
 * Marta Sever
 * Marjanna Szukics editor of the Porabje
 * Lojze Kozar author of the prekmurian catholic hymns
 * Aleksander Balažič wrote prekmurian hymns and sermons
 * Vera Gašpar in the Slovenski koledar
 * Dušan Mukič son of Ferenc Mukics
 * Mária Kozár Mukics
 * Franc Kuzmič in the Museum of Murska Sobota, pastor of the Pentecostal Church Prekmurje
 * Ferenc Kranjec
 * Ernest Ružič

See also the talk page, i have few sources, but it is impossible to describe all of them. Doncsecztalk 08:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

There are no resources, but for me there. Why did you delete the text? Doncsecztalk 08:53, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I was wrong in that. But even this is greatest literature between the dialects. Doncsecztalk 09:03, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Yerpo's objectionable behavior
Please do not believe Yerpo! Yerpo is very superficial administrator of Slovene wikipedia. His friends recently banned an editor from the Wiki, as corrected the serious factually incorrects, but it did not like them. See this article! Doncsecztalk 05:57, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

September 2011
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Slovene dialects. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. VQuakr (talk) 06:28, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Please review the edit history of the article and its talk page. I have refrained from reverting the changes to the article since 8 September and have sought consensus on the talk page with other editors. Doremo (talk) 07:12, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Almanac?
Almanac? Doncsecztalk 06:38, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the correct English word. Doremo (talk) 07:14, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Strange. I know so far, the almanac is a great book (chronology of several decades). Doncsecztalk 07:35, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Look it up in a dictionary. Doremo (talk) 07:40, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Request for arbitration clarification
A request for arbitration clarification involving you has been filed at Arbitration/Requests/Clarification. Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 21:02, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Mr. Greenberg's message
Dr. Marc Greenberg's message about the name-question: ''Spoštovani, hvala za sporočilo. Menim, da je uporaba Prekmurian v angleščini načeloma upravičena, saj tvorimo, npr. Belarusian iz državnega imena Belarus (oz. Belarus') in ne od "Belarusia" /sic/ (ki ne obstaja). -i v -ian je upravičen s tem, da se osnova končuje na -j- (Prekmurj-e).../Dear Sir, Thank you for your message. I believe that the use of Prekmurian in English justified, as it forms, for example. Belarusian Belarus names from the state (or Belarus') rather than "Belarusia" / sic / (which does not exist). -i-ian is justified by the fact that the base ends in-j-(Prekmurje s). In the formular for SIL International included the Prekmurian and Prekmurje,'' and the reason for the new name. Doncsecztalk 11:45, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * But yet none official name, as Mr. Marko Jesenšek also use more name in the english articles, including the Prekmurian. The first english articles about the prekmurščina were created in 1990s and use the prekmurščina, prekmursko names, later prekmurian (near Jesenšek) and today Prekmurje. If you the SIL registered the Prekmurian Slovene name, you will not oppose the moving? Doncsecztalk 12:19, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

In this case the typical name the prekmurščina, most of the article in Slovene. Doncsecztalk 12:32, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Although it is weird in this lexicon. I think this loophole, that Greenberg and Jesenšek accept this name. Doncsecztalk 13:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Prekmurian
Also Marko Jesenšek accept to the Prekmurian name, also Greenberg and in the page of the SIL International also figure to the Prekmurian and not Prekmurje. Jesenšek in few article wrote, that the prekmurščina is the only literary language in Slovenia besides the Central Slovene. Accordingly this is one language of Slovenia. Jesenšek admit to the abuse of the Slovene linguists, who believed, that the Prekmurian is a primitive speech, his literature also primitive. I do not understand, why is in the article the dialect of Kočevje Germans, the German language is not recognize in Slovenia and the Kočevje German dialect was never literary language. Doncsecztalk 15:54, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Why do not you know that this is appropriate? There is no third opinion. I'am a Student from University, i study linguistics studys and i know this datas. The Prekmurian is not vulgar dialect. Doncsecztalk 16:03, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

But Jesenšek and the SIL accept the Prekmurian as common name. If the SIL decision confirmed, the books received the Prekmurian. Jesenšek already use the Prekmurian. My University, the professor and the SIL not opposed this name, accordingly the Prekmurian in essence is approved name. Doncsecztalk 16:07, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

In the Southern Prekmurje the people say Medmüre, Nedžimure, Medjimüre. This article not only about the county write, but the about the region. The Međimurje name is redirected in the Međimurje county. Doncsecztalk 09:59, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Here the initiation. But Greenberg's source is old source, now Greenberg accept the facts and Jesenšek confess the unilateralism of the old Slovene linguists. Doncsecztalk 15:51, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

The Slovar confirmed, that the Međimurje is Medmürje. The žüpanija is new word, loanword from the Slovene, but the people in Prekmurje use this word žüpanija. If for you is not appropriate, i write in the subsection the name. Doncsecztalk 10:25, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

But Doremo, this is nonsense, the Vandalic-Prekmurian theory is a old, expired story. Trying to prove, that the Prekmurian is West Slavic language and our evidences was some words, but few Prekmurian also similar to the Russian language. This words come from the proto Slavic or Indoeuropean language. Doncsecztalk 07:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Translation of street names
Hi, Doremo. I've seen that you've moved Čopova Street to Čop Street. For the naming of streets, have a look at the examples of translated names in Category:Streets by city (for example Category:Streets in Warsaw and others). The article should probably be moved back. --Eleassar my talk 10:51, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

I've tried to find some guideline regarding the naming of streets, but have not found anything yet. Whatever the chosen form, I think it should be used consistently and should be based on some naming convention. As the question is of interest for the wider community, I think it should be discussed at WP:SLO talk page. --Eleassar my talk 15:13, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

The First Church of Christ, Scientist
Hi. Considering the potentially controversial nature of the information, I think you need to cite somethting some authoritative than a local tourist brochure to establish where the first Christian Science Church in the world was built. Please don't re-insert this material without a better source. Thanks, Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:20, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Adding another local source does not solve the problem. Please find an authoritative source which focuses on the history of Christian Science. Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:39, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The undos resulted from another editor's (User:Beyond My Ken) request for additional references and is not edit warring. This can be confirmed with the other editor. Doremo (talk) 08:53, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It is edit warring when you simply revert without providing additional references, as requested. Since you have done so now, I'll withdraw the warning. Thank you for following through with my request. Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:56, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No reverts were made without providing additional references. Doremo (talk) 09:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Both of you need to avoid edit wars like this one. The sources isn't so bad that it should be edit warred over. The article has a reliable source on it (the Wisconsin Historical Society). You both should be using the talk page on the article to discuss. Bring in other people if you need to. For example, use people at WikiProject Wisconsin (for example me).  Royal broil  04:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I read the history of what happened on the Oconto, Wisconsin article. It's on my watchlist.  Royal broil  04:41, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Please be careful in your source attributions; it's the Oconto County Historical Society, not the Wisconsin Historical Society. I hope you will contribute to the article. Doremo (talk) 04:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant that the First Church of Christ, Scientist (Oconto, Wisconsin) article (from the section heading) uses the Wisconsin Historical Society as a reference . The Oconto article comment was added later. I was referring to multiple articles in my comment but I didn't specify very well.  Royal broil  04:11, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Geotagging
Hi. I saw your contributions on the wikiproject slovenia talk page and just wanted to let you know that there's a really great tool which helps you generate geotags. It's called geolocator and it spits out the wiki-code after you select the parameters in an interface menu. If you need any help with it, just leave a not on my talk page --> --U5K0'sTalkMake WikiLove not WikiWar 16:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
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Podutik Bridge
I've just found that there is a notable bridge in Podutik, although it does not cross Ljubljanica. --Eleassar my talk 16:14, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. From the article and this (bottom of page, at 20.4.2010) it appears to be called the Kavšek Bridge (Kavškov most). I'm having trouble placing it, though; presumably it's by the gasworks? Maybe here? That kind of looks like a plinarna. If so, it would cross the Glinščica River, so the deleted article would be wrong for both the bridge name and river name. Doremo (talk) 16:52, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I was thinking about the location too because the current coordinates are more ENE than NE of Podutik. There's something else another 100 m north (on a disused route?), but the satellite view isn't distinct enough to ID it. I'll try to get out there when it stops raining and check it out in person. Doremo (talk) 17:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * It's a bit to north, next to the main crossroad. Try using GISKD. As for the name, it's ok. --Eleassar my talk 17:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've adjusted the coordinates based on GISKD. But I'll still go check it out; I don't see anything there in the satellite view or any route on either side of the location (except the main road, of course). I'm still intrigued by the structure at 46°4'22.84" 14°27'20.65". Doremo (talk) 18:08, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The location is also described at, so a comparison is possible using --Eleassar my talk 18:14, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I've entered the namesake as Kauschegg (could be Ivan Kavšek, but not confirmed; cf. "C. kr. dež. sod. svetnik. Kavšek Iv." here). The Karschegg cited in the document is obviously an error. I'll try to get a good picture of the structure too and that should nail down the location. Doremo (talk) 20:38, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * What makes you think 'Kar s chegg' is an error? It seems more that 'Kavšek' is incorrect. --Eleassar my talk 13:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC) Stricken by me. --Eleassar my talk 14:23, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * "Kauschegg" is widely attested in web and print sources and is also written on the bridge itself. "Karschegg" gives me no hits on Google (general search or Google books). Doremo (talk) 14:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * According to and, it was I. Karchegg. I think we should follow official sources, despite the name Kauschegg being more prominent. --Eleassar my talk 14:17, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Correction: not Karschegg, but Karchegg. --Eleassar my talk 14:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * "Karchegg" also doesn't do well on a Google search. The photo clearly shows the first name "Franc". The inscriptions are pretty badly damaged, but on the left panel the two strokes and lower right hook of the "u" are still visible (the stone also has no groove where the upper stroke of the "r" would go). The "s" is also clearly visible. So the name "I. Karchegg" is obviously an error. Doremo (talk) 14:31, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Jek Bridge
Do you think the name is ok? (See Talk:Jek Bridge) --Eleassar my talk 00:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've given my thoughts (and agreed with Jek Bridge or possibly Jekar Bridge) at the talk page. Doremo (talk) 05:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot. The reply was very informative. I'll leave the article at Jek Bridge for now. Another interesting case would perhaps be "Divje jezero", currently at Wild Lake. The question is whether "Divje" should be translated at all, and if translated, whether it is better to translate it as Wild or as Savage. --Eleassar my talk 12:29, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Glad to share my thoughts; thanks for asking. Regarding Dijve jezero, "wild" is better than "savage", but I'm not convinced "wild" is right either. Divji can mean an awful lot (like divje odlagališče 'illegal dump'); it needs a well-thought-out answer. Doremo (talk) 12:33, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Slava Klavora Theatre
I see you've edited the article Slava Klavora Theatre. Do you happen to know if this is an actual building or a theatre group. If it is a theatre group, does it still exist? In any case, do you know where the subject is/was located (geotag)? --U5K0'sTalkMake WikiLove not WikiWar 19:29, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I was unable to find a physical location for the institution, unfortunately. It must be headquartered somewhere, but nothing came up when I searched for it. Doremo (talk) 21:12, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Correction: I see that the coordinates have now been taken care of by another contributor. Doremo (talk) 21:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * User:Dr. Blofeld seems to have found the location and added it to the article. --U5K0'sTalkMake WikiLove not WikiWar 21:17, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:SLO
Hi, could you please mark articles in the scope of WP:SLO with WikiProject Slovenia, so that they're indexed as part of this project and we are notified when they're in need of cleanup or proposed for deletion etc. Thanks a lot. --Eleassar my talk 15:06, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will do. Doremo (talk) 15:10, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

National/People's hero
Please stop renaming articles in contravention of their name's actual meaning, especially where their meaning is entirely clear. And BTW, the correct English term for "Narodni Heroj" is National Hero, and "NOB" is The National Liberation war. The fact that most articles on Wikipedia use wrong names is up to a one or two determined users who insist on using the wrong terminology. Zocky | picture popups 12:17, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "Stop renaming" means that people do this more than once. This isn't the first time it happened. "Actual meaning" means that "narodni" in Slovenian means "national", not "people's" and that the confusion that arises in Serbo-Croatian (where it means both) does not arise in Slovenian, so the actual meaning of "narodni heroj" in Slovenian is perfectly clear. And that most articles on Wikipedia (obviously those that are relevant to the issue) use wrong names is self-evident from the fact that they use "people's" for Serbo-Croatian "narodni" where the Slovenian versions of the same names use "ljudski" (where "people's" is correct) and when they use "narodni" (when "people's" is wrong). So instead of quibbling with me, it'd be better if you spent time explaining to non-Slovenian speakers the difference between the two Zocky | picture popups 04:11, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Šiška District / District of Šiška
Hi, I have been thinking (per analogy with municipalities) whether the preferred form would be 'District of Šiška' instead of 'Šiška District'. What do you think? --Eleassar my talk 19:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Eleassar. My own intuition is that both forms (the Šiška d/District and the d/District of Šiška) are correct and that a little d- would be preferable, but big D- is OK too. A quick Google check (on only the first two UK examples I found) shows a preference for the form without of: – the Wealden d/District (206,000) vs. the d/District of Wealden (21,800) – the Horsham d/District (313,000) vs. the d/District of Horsham (28,500) (These may also include "false" hits like the Horsham District Council.) Other examples may give other results. Of course, there are also exceptional set phrases like the Lake District and the District of Columbia, but they shouldn't count as models. These are essentially individual lexical patterns, and each lexeme will have either a typical pattern (or be highly variable). For example, I intuitively have quite a strong preference for the Municipality of X and the Parish of X, but I am satisfied with either the X Diocese or the d/Diocese of X. My suggestion for Slovenian urban districts is to either let this one develop spontaneously (i.e., however people happen write it), or to regularize it as the X district. It's often hard (or even impossible) to draw syntactic analogies between individual lexemes like municipality/district or parish/diocese because they often behave differently, like river/creek (e.g., the White River, but Ø White Creek), even though they belong to the same semantic class. Doremo (talk) 03:49, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Another thought on this: the d/District of Center (or any other combination with a generic noun) would be impossible, whereas the Center d/District is quite normal. Doremo (talk) 04:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I'll leave it as it is, as 'Epithet d/District'. --Eleassar my talk 08:03, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. These syntactic patterns can be surprisingly hard to define, even for native speakers. Even considering only article use, some have almost exceptionless patterns (e.g., lake, river, castle) but others seem almost random (e.g., cottage, bog), or may vary depending on the modifier type (e.g., the Smith Lodge but Ø Smith's Lodge). It's a big topic. Doremo (talk) 08:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Tivoli Pond
Hi, I've seen some edits have been lost but didn't have time (yet) to re-add them. Thanks for your copy editing, it's always welcome. --Eleassar my talk 17:03, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Benedikt v Slovenskih Goricah
Hi, I've at least temporarily moved the article back to 'Benedikt, Benedikt', because I don't see what source states its official name as Benedikt v Slovenskih Goricah. Per stat.si (place names), it's simply Benedikt. --Eleassar my talk 05:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, "Benedikt" appears to be correct per the Municipality of Benedikt website (see mailing address here). Geopedia and Slovene WP (title only) both have the long name, so "v Slovenskih Goricah" was presumably dropped at some point. I'll try to look for the date of that name change. We also still need a separate article for the municipality. Doremo (talk) 05:57, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

The Slovene version of the Benedikt page in stat.si states that the village was renamed in 2003. --Eleassar my talk 06:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Biographies of living persons
Feel free to duplicate this invite on the pages of others who have commented, for or against. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:16, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for comments. But sorry I didn't understand point about Gérard Dériot, surely this is the same as 99.9999% of the other 889,000 BLPs. It already is under his real name? In ictu oculi (talk) 12:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the point. Thank you for letting me know about the lack of clarity; I'll clarify it. Doremo (talk) 13:27, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Oconomowoc, Wisconsin
Thank you adding information to Oconomowoc, Wisconsin.--Rockfang (talk) 15:40, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You bet. BTW, I've always loved how Oconomowoc rolls off the tongue. Doremo (talk) 15:45, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Oplotnica
Hi, is this river called Oplotnišica in Atlas Slovenije (as you wrote in the edit summary) or Oplotniščica? The most common name seems to be Oplotnica, though. --Eleassar my talk 00:21, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That was my error in the edit summary; it's got -šč- in Atlas Slovenije (both index and printed page). AS doesn't have Oplotnica (for the river). Krajevni leksikon Slovenije (1980, vol. 4, p. 544) also has only Oplotniščica, but Geopedia has only Oplotnica (for the river). I get the following Google results: "reka Oplotniščica" (4 hits), "reka Oplotnica" (25 hits), "potok Oplotniščica" (54 hits), "potok Oplotnica" (436 hits). Based on that, the article should be moved to Oplotnica (river) or Oplotnica (creek) and Oplotniščica should be given as an alternate name. It would be nice to have a picture showing a signpost by the river displaying the name that appears there. Doremo (talk) 02:47, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I've also been thinking of moving Kamniška Bistrica to Kamnik Bistrica and Tržiška Bistrica to Tržič Bistrica. What do you think? --Eleassar my talk 00:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, Kamnik Bistrica and Tržič Bistrica would also be appropriate. When rivers are modified by place-names in English, two patterns are found: 1) adjective forms are used if available (e.g., the Saxon Saale < Sächsische Saale, the Thuringian Saale < Thüringische Saale, the Franconian Saale < Fränkische Saale), or 2) if no adjective forms are available, then bare noun forms are used (e.g., the Salisbury Avon, the Hampshire Avon, the Warwickshire Avon, the Bristol Avon). Because English has no adjective forms for Kamnik and Tržič then they should follow the Avon pattern as you suggest (Kamnik Bistrica and Tržič Bistrica). Doremo (talk) 02:58, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your replies. Unfortunately, I'll just leave it as it is, because 1) Oplotniščica is a natural disambiguation and as such should be given preference per WP:PRECISE, and 2) there seem to be too few reliable English-language sources for Kamnik Bistrica and Tržič Bistrica to constitute an established usage, per WP:UE. I'll make only redirects from these terms for the time. --Eleassar my talk 05:02, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with the logic for Oplotniščica. However, exceptions should probably be made for obvious analogy-based cases like Kamnik Bistrica and Tržič Bistrica because they’re simply too obscure to base a good case on English-language sources. For example, there are no original published English sources for Lipnica Castle (< Lipniški grad) and no original published English sources for Lake Zreče (< Zreško jezero), but the strategy behind them is obvious from analogous cases like Ljubljana Castle (< Ljubljanski grad) and Lake Bled (< Blejsko jezero). Doremo (talk) 06:45, 17 May 2012 (UTC)0
 * If this remains at 'Kamnik Bistrica' and 'Tržič Bistrica', should the article 'Bohinjska Bistrica' (and 'Municipality of Bohinjska Bistrica') also be renamed to 'Bohinj Bistrica' and 'Municipality of Bohinj Bistrica'? Google Books does offer some hits for 'town "Bohinj Bistrica"' and 'village "Bohinjska Bistrica"'. Per analogy, 'Slovenska Bistrica' should become 'Slovenian Bistrica' (or Slovene Bistrica?) and 'Ilirska Bistrica' should be moved to 'Illyrian Bistrica'. Taking this even further, what about Murska Sobota? --Eleassar my talk 08:01, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No; unlike geographical names (forests, mountains, rivers), English never anglicizes settlements (unless these have English names already, like Wien = Vienna). So Wiener Neustadt = Wiener Neustadt, Český Krumlov = Český Krumlov, Cividale del Friuli = Cividale del Friuli, and Bohinjska Bistrica = Bohinjska Bistrica. However, in discussing the name, it's often useful and interesting to point out, for example, that "Wiener Neustadt literally means 'Vienna new town'". Doremo (talk) 09:46, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * All right. Thanks for your reply. --Eleassar my talk 06:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm always happy to discuss these things. Doremo (talk) 06:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * On the same topic, is it correct to write the name of the mountain 'Tolminski Migovec' or 'Tolmin Migovec'? See --Eleassar my talk 19:37, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I call it Mount Tolmin Migovec. It's the Proper + Proper combination again. The simplest (and a familiar) analogy is probably Kamniško-Savinjske Alpe → the Kamnik-Savinja Alps. Usually no adjective form is available in English, but it would be used when available (e.g., Julijske Alpe → the Julian Alps). Other more obscure examples of such hills/mountains: Bohinjski Migovec → Mount Bohinj Migovec, Zabavska Varda → Zabavlje Varda Hill, Nerajski Cirnik → Nerajec Cirnik Hill, etc. Examples from German: Tiroler Alpen → the Tyrol Alps, Vorarlberger Alpen → the Vorarlberg Alps. There are also some Proper + Proper examples for mountains in native English: Mono Glass Mountain (in Mono County, California) vs. Napa Glass Mountain (in Napa County, California). Tolminski Migovec would be like Julijske Alps or Vorarlberger Alps, neither of which I would use in English. Doremo (talk) 20:34, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. What about translation of such names as 'Divje jezero'>'Wild Lake', 'Križna jama'>'Cave of the Cross', 'Kavkna jama'>'Chough Cave'? Is it preferable in English to translate the entire name, to translate only the word 'jama' or 'jezero' or to leave it in original? --Eleassar my talk 22:00, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I prefer to translate the entire name. It's psychologically interesting that this is always the practice for familiar, well-known features (Zmajski most → the Dragon Bridge, Grajski grič → Castle Hill, etc.), but many people get nervous when doing it for less familiar, less well-known features. It's a common (but not universal) practice that makes these features more accessible to the English reader (cf. these cave names, not Qīxīng Jí Dòng and Àn Lóng Dòng). Doremo (talk) 04:01, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Even though such anglicized forms are both acceptable and useful, I also wouldn't insist that it's "wrong" to write "Tolminski Migovec" or "Križna Jama" in English (even though I don't and I prefer not to). I'm just clarifying my own stance on the subject. Doremo (talk) 08:40, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Križna Cave seems strange, because it is only partly translated. Google Books knows both 'Cross Cave' and 'Križna Jama Cave'; these seem better to me. --Eleassar my talk 12:01, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry for my delayed response. Yes, I agree with Cross Cave. I prefer it to Križna Jama Cave, which would be a "framing" solution that is rarely used in good translations (i.e., one doesn't write Ljubljanski Grad Castle or Lake Bohinjsko Jezero). The name is derived from Holy Cross Church, so it really does mean 'cross' (i.e., it's a primary naming derivation). One has to be careful with such names; for example, Mount Križ (Kriška gora) is named after the settlement of Gornji Križ, Mount Križe (Kriška gora) after the settlement of Križe, but Cross Mountain (Križna gora)) after Holy Cross Church. Križ is also a surname, so that increases the possibilities of secondary derivations for names (e.g., (presumably) Križ Hill = Križev grič), with the surname Križ found in the Vrhnika area. Unfortunately, the endings (-ev, -en, -ski) are not completely reliable for sorting out the origins of these names. Doremo (talk) 12:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Sava Valley
Hi! Thanks for responding to move request requests I posted. I agree with your point of view, and your response gave me another idea, but I thought to check with you first:

You mentioned Posavina as a likely candidate for renaming (rated "start", but probably no better than a "stub" really), and that one could probably be safely merged with Upper/Central/Lower Sava Valley articles (three stubs). A similar thing already happened when "Bosanska Posavina" was merged into "Posavina". This would allow for a comprehensive article on the river valley and avoid all the confusion generated by ambiguous titles and titles incomprehensible to native speakers of English. I am aware that in national contexts Posavje/Posavina mean four different things in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Serbia, but maybe that's precisely the reason a single article should detail all of those in appropriate sections. After all term "Adriatic Coast" in Croatian, Slovene or Italian does not necessarily refer to the same stretch of shore. Should there be sufficient material in any of the hypothetical sections of the merged article on Sava valley to spin off a C-class or better article, the separate article should be there - right now the articles combined would hardly more than a Start class. What do you think about this idea?--Tomobe03 (talk) 12:40, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Just some general thoughts that might help in finding a good solution: 1) The Rhine article incorporates non-English names in italics ("Vorderrhein, or Anterior Rhine", "Hinterrhein, or Posterior Rhine", "Alpenrhein or 'Alpine Rhine'", Alter Rhein "Old Rhine"); that's probably one solution to keep in mind. Perhaps the Rhine article would be a good model for a unified Sava article, with italic non-English names followed by glosses. 2) Slovene Posavje ought to mean the entire length of the Sava, source to mouth (like Povolžje 'Volga Valley'), but in practice the term means only the stretch in Slovenia (and usually only the lower stretch), so the name has undergone some kind of special semantic development. 3) One of the problems with native (non-English) terms is competing languages; for example, the Rába/Raab Valley is called Porabje in Slovene, Rába-völgy in Hungarian, and Raabtal in German. All three languages have a legitimate "native" claim to the name based on ethnicity, but none of these names is really appropriate for an English article (especially without prejudice to the others). 4) Some Slovene terms like Posavje, Porabje, etc. may not really be about the river itself, but more about naming national/ethnic territory. So for Slovenes the Sava Valley is limited to the Slovene Sava Valley in a practical sense. Perhaps a similar perspective is at work in French Alps, Swiss Alps, Bavarian Alps, etc.; it's all just "Alps" if seen from space, but when a Frenchman talks about going dans les Alpes he's probably thinking of Grenoble (and not, say, Berchtesgaden). I don't know if this means we need articles on the "Slovene Sava", "Croatian Sava", "Bosnian Sava", and "Serbian Sava", but that would parallel the Alps articles. This doesn't really provide any solution, but I think it raises some issues that should be considered. I think point #3 is especially important from the perspective of English WP. Doremo (talk) 13:12, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * True, for Croats, "Posavina" is normally limited to Croatian banks of the Sava, and then normally downstream from Zagreb, sometimes even downstream of Sisak (although the term may appear to cover whatever's adjacent to the Sava. Literally the same term in Bosnia-Herzegovina and in Serbia refers to something else sensu stricto (whatever's adjacent to Sava in a given country). That in itself is puzzling enough for casual readers.
 * What bothers me the most in terms of Central and Lower Sava Valleys is that use of the terms in article on the Sava River creates confusing sentences where Sava flows from the Lower Sava Valley into the central part of the river's course. In the LSV article there is ample space and opportunity to elaborate on etymology of the name and its geographic location, but if the Sava article goes into such detail on each (micro)region, we'll quickly arrive at unwieldy text that is cumbersome to read. Furthermore, it is really dubious that "Lower Sava Valley" is a term English speakers use to describe Posavje.
 * I agree that terms like Posavje or Posavina may have little to do with Sava itself, but that's matter for the specific articles to elaborate upon.--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:31, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've found a lot of hits for the "Eastern French Alps" (which are western overall, of course) and the "Northern Italian Alps" (which are southern overall, of course). The analogy for the Sava would be the "Lower Slovene Sava Valley" (which is upper overall, of course). "Lower Sava Valley" sounds completely natural to me and Slovene Posavje is synonymous with spodnje Posavje (literally 'Lower Sava Valley'), as noted in the discussion. It's also a good and logical counterpart to "Upper Sava Valley" (Sln. zgornje Posavje). Doremo (talk) 13:42, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "Lower Slovene Sava Valley" and similar solutions would definitely improve the situation - remove any confusion and being very intuitive indeed. I'd support such a change.--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:51, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, it needs to be natural as well. I've found "lower Swiss Rhone Valley" and several hits for the "upper German Rhine Valley", which implies that the construction "Upper/Central/Lower Slovene Sava Valley" would be acceptable from the perspective of naturalness. Doremo (talk) 13:56, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed, I agree.--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I also have no objection to the change. Perhaps it would be best to link or copy this conversation to the Lower Sava Valley talk page and wait a bit to see if any other contributors would like to comment or offer another solution. Doremo (talk) 14:02, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would probably be the best to copy this there.--Tomobe03 (talk) 15:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Almanac/Almanach
In the article Slovene months, what's wrong with the spelling almanach? The pons.si dictionary gives it as the only translation for pratika. --Eleassar my talk 17:04, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The spelling almanach in pons.si is apparently a mistake. Such a spelling is not even in the Merriam-Webster Unabridged or the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (OED has -ack as a rare form). It's better to rely on English dictionaries than Slovenian ones for English spelling. You can also see the results at Google books Ngram Viewer. Doremo (talk) 17:16, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The complete Oxford English Dictionary has a few examples of almanach(e); the most recent dating from 1587. It's also the French form, which is probably where the pons people got their misspelling. Doremo (talk) 17:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Did you know that the first translation of an English text into Slovene was titled Poor Richard's Almanack? It was translated in 1812 by Janez Nepomuk Primic, a cultural organiser from Graz. --Eleassar my talk 10:59, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * That's quite interesting; Ben Franklin would have been pleased to know that. :-) Unfortunately, he wouldn't appear in Martin Grum's Slovenski prevajalski leksikon 1550–1945. Poskusni zvezek A–J. (because of the P- surname), but Primic is probably a translator that Grum has included in his quite comprehensive research. Doremo (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Freising manuscripts
Hi Doremo! I have a question for you: should the word 'manuscripts' in the name of the Freising manuscripts be written capitalised? I've currently left it uncapitalised, per talk at Voynich manuscript, but the capitalised form seems to be the most prevalent. Thanks a lot. --Eleassar my talk 10:22, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Eleassar. The The Chicago Manual of Style offers no advice on this issue, unfortunately. In practice, capitalization and non-capitalization are essentially equally represented in such cases, judging from published sources on better-known manuscripts: Voynich m/Manuscript, Auchinleck m/Manuscript, Hengwrt m/Manuscript. Names like "the Freising manuscripts" really aren't the title of such works per se (because they were never published), just conventional designations. So my conclusion is that it doesn't really matter either way, although it should be consistent within articles. I suppose I personally prefer non-capitalization of manuscript, considering the non-title nature. Doremo (talk) 10:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note that the M- forms in the Ngram Viewer are probably somewhat over-represented because many of them seem to appear in titles of books or articles (e.g., "Can We Trust the Hengwrt Manuscript?") and are sometimes being capitalized solely due to title capitalization. Doremo (talk) 10:50, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. If I understand correctly, the term is not a proper noun ("aren't the title") and therefore "Do not capitalize the second or subsequent words in an article title, unless the title is a proper noun." --Eleassar my talk 12:40, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be my take on it; just like the "University of Ljubljana" (a name, thus a proper noun) vs. the "university in Ljubljana" (just a description, not a name, thus not a proper noun). If forced to choose, I would say that the "Freising manuscripts" is like the "university in Ljubljana," and so it probably shouldn't get the big M- or be italicized (as a book title would). Doremo (talk) 12:49, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Matija Škerbec
Hi! A user nominated Matija Škerbec article for DYK appearance. I happened to review the article, and it lacks a single reference - could you please add it there? I gathered that the nominator does not speak Slovene so he/she would probably be unable to find a suitable ref. Thanks.--Tomobe03 (talk) 19:38, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it's just a single item missing - a reference verifying that Škerbec was an editor of the Kranj Bell at the time specified in the article. All details are here: Template:Did you know nominations/Matija Škerbec.--Tomobe03 (talk) 19:58, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Matija Škerbec DYK issue
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DYK for Matija Škerbec
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