User talk:Doright/Mandate for Palestine

= One Map is worth 1000 words =

"The San Remo Conference decided on April 24, 1920 to assign the Mandate for Palestine under the League of Nations to Britain." []  Transjordan was not invented until later. - Doright

The Mandate for Palestine originally included land later given to create Transjordan. That is, the mandate in 1920 did not consists of 2 parts: Palestine and Transjordan. See Map from Darmouth University Government Course 46 [] and State of Israel government website []. It was one undivided entity (the Palestine mandate) that was later divided into 2 parts (see this map and explanation []). -Doright
 * This map [] from NPR sourced from Sir Martin Gilbert's Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, shows:
 * "The original Mandate granted to Britain."
 * It also shows the area, "Separated from Palestine in 1921." It was given the name Transjordan and "this territory was at once closed to Jewish Settlement." -Doright

According to the Modern History Sourcebook: This was prior to the invention of Transjordan. -Doright
 * "The mandates for Mesopotamia, Syria and Palestine were assigned by the Supreme Court of the League of Nations at its San Remo meeting in April 1920 ." []-Doright
 * Note that it was not until 1921 that the eastern (east bank?) portion of The Mandate for Palestine (i.e., what was to become Transjordan and now Jordan) was separated from the original mandate and closed to Jews. - Doright

“In the Turkish Peace Treaty, drawn up by the London Conference (February 12-April 10, 1920), finalized by the San Remo Conference (April 18-26, 1920), and signed by the Turkish government at the French town of Sevres on August 10, 1920, the Mandatory for Palestine was tasked with ‘putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people’ ... . This was an outstanding success for the Zionists. “Though they failed to achieve their territorial goals owing to Britain’s compromise with France over Palestine’s northern frontier, and the effective separation of Transjordan from Palestine that followed in 1921, … .”


 * Ref: p.257-258, Empires of the Sand, The Struggle for Mastery in the Middle East 1789-1923. Efraim Karsh & Inari Karsh. Harvard University Press. 1999. -Doright

Is this Map [] WP:OR ?
Is this the smoking gun of original research. It is presented in this article British_Mandate_for_Palestine as a reliable source. Is an editor considered an acceptable source?

It also appears to have deleted the Golan Heights from the original 1920 Mandate area, for example, compare to this [] RS source. - Doright
 * An editor is not a reliable source. I would think that the map from the NPR website would be very appropriate from the Mandate page. I am not an expert in this subject by any means, but that is my feeling on this. As per my email, I think a better place to discuss this would be the talk page of the article itself. Why not propose one or the other maps on the talk page and/or insert it in the article?--Mantanmoreland 15:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

= POV Bias? = Is there an ongoing POV bias to portray the history of "The Mandate for Palestine" as existing only west of the Jordan river?
 * Does this have the effect of bolstering Palestinian Arab claims for territory occupied by Jordan from 1948 until 1967 (i.e., the area then called Samaria and Judea but now called the West Bank)?
 * Does this have the effect of unduly minimizing Jordan (Transjordan) as the first Palestinian state? After all, it was the first Arab state created within the original Mandate for Palestine territory. Doright


 * See misleading map [] and compare it to this map from the official government website [] -Doright


 * "It was only after World War I, at the Paris Peace Conference(January-June 1919), that the name 'Palestine' was applied to a clearly defined piece of territory - the area which today comprises Israel and Jordan." []-Doright

Does there also appear to be a POV bias to deny that the purpose of the mandate which included what is now Jordan was "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people."


 * " Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people . . . " [] -Doright

= Rename "The British Mandate for Palestine" = A good argument can be made that the article should be titled "Mandate for Palestine" or "The League of Nations Mandate for Palestine." See document from United Nations website titled: "LEAGUE OF NATIONS MANDATE FOR PALESTINE" [] -Doright

=Misc.=


 * AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. []-Doright


 * British Mandate of Palestine 1923 - pretty map but not a reliable source [] -Doright

- "“On June 30, 1920, the British military administration of ‘Occupied Enemy Territory (South),’ headquartered in Jerusalem terminated, and next day Sir Herbert Samuel assumed full control as first high commissioner of the Palestine Mandate.”"

"“Before the British general in command relinquished responsibility he asked the commissioner for a receipt for the territory being surrendered to him, Samuel obliged with a note written by hand, ‘Received from Major General Sir Louis Bols one Palestine, complete. E.& O.E.’ (author’s reference “Jerusalem State Archives”). When his term ended five years later, this eminent British public servant left Palestine far from ‘complete,’ in fact a remnant of the original Mandate, with over three-quarters of its territory stripped away, and the remaining land available for a ‘national home for the Jewish people’ torn by Arab riots inflamed by a rabidly hostile grand mufti.”"

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