User talk:Dorje88

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Thank you for the welcome to Wikipedia
I am, indeed, new as an editor to Wikipedia, though of course, not to reading it. :)

As for the editing, I did intend to remove some of that content, and edit others.

I am a professional with Peter Burwash Int'l, and have had a few talks with Peter. Peter would like to see a different focus on the page. Not to become a PR exercise, however. Just less on his playing career, and more on what he has been doing recently. Thus, the editing.

Plus, to be honest, the tone of the words used to describe some of Peter's results are a bit harsh, imho. Those as well, I would like to remove, as I see no point in them. They do feel a bit mean-spirited.

Finally, there is more content I would like to add, and will be in conversation with Peter regarding that content. I understand more sources are needed, and from Peter I will get them. Then they will appear on the page.

Thank you again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorje88 (talk • contribs) 08:29, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

My second edit did reword the section about his tournament victories. After saying while he traveled on the tour, Peter also won 19 International, etc... I realized what you said was true, that it did appear that they were ATP tour victories, which they were not. Unfortunately, because of the times, these titles cannot be verified.

As for Peter's intentions, he is not trying to embellish his playing record, but rather trying to have the focus of the page be on more recent endeavors. As it is, a large chunk of the page is devoted to a relatively small part of his life/career. Perhaps we can move the results to a lower part of the page, and move the recent stuff upwards.

I will be adding more content as I get all the facts collected from Peter. Maybe that will help.

By the way, I seem unable to respond to your messages on the same page as you have written to me. I know this is my fault. It would be easier to follow the discussion if I knew how. Could you direct me to that button/help page/skill?

Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorje88 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you can't just click on the 'edit' to open it up for commenting. I thought putting our talk together would be better - I'll add the comments I've made here to my talk page, since you have been able to access it.

Changing the tone of the language used to describe Burwash's results
There is the one comment that he beat a guy in DC who win winless in DC play - I can see that one be unflattering, of course. But WP bios are not meant, as Burwash would like it seems, to be flattering alternatively, and certainly not misleading. These are his actual results - you replaced them with a comment suggesting he won 19 international titles and presumably on the Grand Prix/WCT tours. (I don't dispute that he might have won 19 international titles of various sorts, but the sentence used suggests that the wins came on the tier one tours.)

I see the article as already having a fair balance between his not so glowing tier one tour tennis results and his other, impressive, accomplishments. It's commmon WP practice for tennis bios to give tour results, end of. Mayumashu (talk) 08:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

If you are sincere in what you say, then why not be positive first (where till now it's been about vandalising deletion) and add about what he has done recently - there's nothing newer than 2006 in the bio that I can see (I think he was a tv tennis analyst till 2008 or 2009, if memory serves.) Till now there has just been the ongoing attempts to blanket remove the "unflattering" results. (He participated at tier one tour level - I play tennis and know that that is not easy to do at all; that in itself is a significant accomplishment.) Mayumashu (talk) 08:42, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

One last thing, as apologies for my long comment, but you will need sources independent of Peter's to substantiate his bio, obviously. Without independent sources, comments prefaced with "Burwash maintains that" or "According to Burwash himself..." etc. might be able to be kept, but I wonder. Mayumashu (talk) 08:56, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

putting recent accomplishments first and tour results second
Yeah, why not - go for it. (I removed the comment that Rolle never won a DC match, btw.) Mayumashu (talk) 08:58, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

OK, I think I'll have that as my project for the next few days. Thanks for being reasonable with all of this. I imagine Wikipedia has it's fair share of "arguments".