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MS Estonia
Aloittamasi keskustelu MS Estonia -artikkelin jakamisesta osiin on ollut auki jo melkein yhdeksän kuukautta, äänin 11 puolesta - 3 vastaan. Milloin tästä oikein tulee jokin päätös? Mitä asialle voi tehdä? J I P &#124; Talk 13:34, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Moi kiitos että muistutit, olin jo unohtanut koko jutun. Pelkkien numeroiden valossahan tuo kyllä näyttäisi menevän jakamisen puolesta, mutta en tiedä mitä 'säännöt' sanovat, riittääkö enemmistö vai vaaditaanko yksimielisyyttä?
 * Pääasiallinen argumentti jakamista vastaan kai on, että laiva sinällään ei ole notable, joten pitää varmaankin etsiä lähteitä joilla tämä saadaan näytettyä, jonka jälkeen ei mielestäni pitäisi olla mitään syytä olla jakamatta. Yritän etsiä moisia tässä ihan lähitulevaisuudessa, jotta saadaan homma pakettiin. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Question from Amillie Coster (20:10, 4 April 2022)
HI! I am using WIkipedia professionally for the first time and totally behind the learning curve. My boos who created a film poster and wants to put that on the Wiki page I am making (I did disclose that I work for them on here). I want to get an email to her and someone else for a differnt page and photo from permissions-commons@wikimedia.org that states the creator/copyright owner's permission to release the work into Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International. Is there a form I am missing? Thanks! --Amillie Coster (talk) 20:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Amillie Coster and sorry for the delay in replying. You are presumably wanting to upload the image to the Commons, in which case may I suggest you head over to their 'village pump' forum, and ask there — they know much more than I do about copyright in general, and about the Commons rules and procedures specifically. There's a FAQ section on the page I've linked, and a 'Start a new discussion' button for asking your own question. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Lähteiden löytäminen
Hei! Hain apua englanninkieliseltä puolelta, ja te ystävällisesti tarjouduitte auttamaan löytämään artikkeliin asianmukaiset lähdemerkinnät. Artikkelin aihe on siis henkilö Leo Sjöman, josta on olemassa artikkeli suomeksi, mutta toiveena olisi saada sellainen myös englanniksi. Lähteitä ei juurikaan löydy englanniksi, ja epäilen ettei artikkeli tämän takia ole vielä hyväksytty julkaistavaksi.

En ole varma toimiiko linkki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Leo_Sj%C3%B6man

Arvostan kaikkea apua tähän liittyen.

Khenrikss (talk) 16:26, 6 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Moi @Khenrikss,
 * Joo, ei se kyllä kovin hyvältä näytä, jos suoraan sanotaan. En ole ainakaan toistaiseksi löytänyt kuin tämän ja tämän, ja näillä ei vielä saa todennettua merkittävyyttä, kun kumpikaan ei ole kunnolla significant coverage. Ja muut löytämäni olivat vieläkin heppoisempia.
 * Tuo fiwikin artikkeli ei täällä enwikissä säilyisi noilla lähteillä kovin pitkään. Kuten sanoin jo siellä teehuoneessa, tämä on melko yleinen ongelma. Enwikin merkittävyyskriteerit ovat kovemmat kuin missään muussa kieliversiossa (ainakaan minun tietääkseni), josta syystä artikkeleiden kääntäminen englanniksi on aina haasteellista, kun lähteitä joutuu usein etsimään ns. kissojen ja koirien kanssa.
 * Taitaa jäädä tällä kerralla artikkeli luomatta. Ellei sitten mies saa jotain lehteä, paria kirjoittamaan itsestään juttua pikapuoliin. :)
 * Et satu muuten tietämään, onko hänestä tehty TV:ssä tai radiossa mitään? Lähteidenhän ei tarvitse olla kirjoitettuja, riittää että on julkaistu.
 * t: DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:02, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Moi!
 * Joo, tätä pahoin pelkäsin. Tiedän että on hyvin yksityinen, julkinen henkilö kyseessä, niin ei taida muissakaan medioissa (vielä) löytyä merkittäviä mainintoja. Hyvä kuitenkin tietää että tv/radio on mahdollisuus.
 * Kiitos kuitenkin ponnisteluista, ehkä enkunkielinenkin artikkeli onnistuu vielä jossain vaiheessa. Khenrikss (talk) 10:22, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Parisa_Zehtabian
Hi DoubleGrazing, thank for your review but the reason you said (The secondary sources in the remainder seem to cover the films, rather than the person) is not completely true. the links cover films but mentioned to Parisa Zehtabian's role in the film. can you check again and help me to solve this problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jirayeni (talk • contribs)
 * Hi that was my point exactly: they mention her, but don't provide even close to the significant coverage which is required to establish notability. Unless I'm mistaken, each of the secondary sources mentions her only once, among a long list of contributors. See WP:SIGCOV for advice on what sort of coverage is needed to establish notability. Thank you, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I dont undesrstand your reasons for rejections.
Hi,

You have recently declined an article that I have translated, it is Draft:Golden sun from La Tolita. You claimed that the reason for the rejections is "too much of the content is unreferenced" which i honestly don't understand since almost every paragraph has at least 1 reference to an academic article. I Have just added a few extra references where i thought was the content that you might have refered as unreferenced.

You also said that the image you where not sure if the image of the infobox should be taken from the logo of the Central bank of Ecuador, but then I would like to ask how to proceed if it is the only image of this artifact under the license of Creative Commons?

Thank you

Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonLuzuriaga (talk • contribs) 16:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @SimonLuzuriaga
 * Firstly, "almost every paragraph" being referenced isn't quite enough. Every material statement should be supported, and certainly every paragraph at least once. However, the entire section 'Face', the first para of 'Ears', and the last para of 'Sun rays', as well as the second para of 'Chemical composition' were unreferenced. (As was the lead section, but that doesn't have to be referenced as long as every fact stated there is supported elsewhere in the article, which TBH I didn't check.) Also, every para that ends without a citation, ends by definition unreferenced, and there was at least one of those, namely the first para of 'Chemical composition'.
 * Secondly, with regards to the image, I wasn't saying that it must not be used (this wasn't a reason for declining), I was merely posing the question whether this was proper. Company logos can be allowed when they are used to illustrate articles about the company in question, even if there is no express licence to use them; this isn't the case here. I could see that the image had been uploaded purportedly with a CC licence, but that assumes that the uploader really had the right to do that, which we don't necessarily know.
 * Hope this helps, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have erased some material and added yet more references to the bibliography to follow this format, now every single paragraph ends in with a reference. It has also been re submited for review, hope that now it is ok with the format. SimonLuzuriaga (talk) 09:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @SimonLuzuriaga for dealing with this so promptly. In return, I will go and promptly re-review it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:35, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you, and I am happy that after a long waiting period the article is finally public.
 * Have a nice day! SimonLuzuriaga (talk) 09:42, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy to help, @SimonLuzuriaga, and I think it's an excellent article by anyone's standards; even more so if it's your first. Keep up the good work! :) Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:45, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft Blanche Brenton Carey
Hi DoubleGrazing, Thank you for your feedback on this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Blanche_Brenton_Carey. I have updated it with extra references which hopefully provides the necessary reliable resources. Please could you have a review and let me know if you think it is in a state to resubmit. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhirak.camel (talk • contribs) 12:10, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

On Martha Keswick's article
Dear DoubleGrazing, thank you so much for your review and comments on my draft on author Martha Keswick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Martha_Keswick). It has been an interesting learning experience. I am currently working on reformating and complementing the references as well as not leaving her first name all by herself.

I do want to address your comment on the lack of significance of the references. Most of the references come from recognized and influential institutions like United Nations, Unicef, the United Nations Agency for Disaster Reduction, the World Meteorological Organization as well The South China Morning Post in Hong Kong or Free Malaysia Today in Malaysia, which are among the most influential in South East Asia. My references also include sites from reputable universities like the University of Pretoria in South Africa. Other sources, I do agree might not be the most recognized, but they do provide validity to the article. I am really confused about how these are not significant enough? I would really appreciate your clarification in this regard.

Once again, thank you for your time and effort, I really appreciate it.


 * Hi there are two separate issues with the referencing. Firstly, some of the content is unreferenced; eg. the 3rd para of 'Career' has a couple of cites early on, but nothing in the rest of it, inevitably raising the question where that info is coming from, and how it can be verified.
 * Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the sources are such that they cannot establish notability. I fully agree that the UN, WMO, etc. are highly reputable sources; however, they are primary ones, and while they can be used to verify facts, they usually do not contribute towards notability. (See WP:PRIMARY and WP:GNG for more info.) If you feel that I have overlooked some secondary sources with significant coverage, please point them out and I'll take another look. Best, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 21:18, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @DoubleGrazing
 * After a while I took a second look at the article I am creating and made new additions to the content, specially referencing as you suggested. I also did some styling check to make sure it fits into Wikipedia's requirements. I am not sure if you will be reviewing it again, but thank you for your previous comments.
 * Lina Lina Suarez Velez (talk) 17:31, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * PS: Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages, thanks.

Addressing Notability for Robert Spekkens
Hi, I just addressed your comments on notability for Robert Spekkens on the talk page. Is this the right way to do it? May I resubmit it now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yileying (talk • contribs) 07:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Maureen Brathwaite
Hi Double Grazing

Thank you for checking my article on Maureen Brathwaite, it is appreciated. May I clarify the removal of all external links. For example:

Maureen performed at Glyndbourne Festival Opera from 1985-1992 and studied with Johanna Peters from 1985-1987.[3]

This includes an external link to the primary source of this statement. How do I cite this without the link?

Please consider in your response that I am dyslexic and so visual examples and video examples are an efficient means of communicating your point for my particular brain wiring.

Many thanks Motterswell (talk) 11:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)M


 * Hi @Motterswell, thanks for your message. I meant inline external links, which are not allowed. Whereas inline citations of external sources (especially but not only online content) are very much encouraged! I will try to illustrate:
 * LINK (not allowed):
 * This is an inline external link. => produces: This is an inline external link.
 * CITATION (allowed):
 * This is an inline citation of an external source. => produces: This is an inline citation of an external source.
 * Hope this helps, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hope this helps, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft:In This Short Life Revisions Questions
Hi!

I have made quite a few revisions to my draft of the Film In This Short Life since it was decline a few weeks back. I've added more independent third party sources, rewritten a few of the categories and tried to make it more up to the standards of the first page I had published. Would you mind taking a look at the page and letting me know what you think? Also, if there is any specific changes that would improve the quality of the page? Look forward to hearing back from you!

Thanks!

EthanWinters1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanWinters1 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @EthanWinters1 yes, that Variety article seems a good source; with it, this could be accepted now IMO. Feel free to submit it for review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Fantastic! I'll resubmit it now. Thanks for your help. EthanWinters1 (talk) 14:39, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi again, @DoubleGrazing could you possibly take a look at the resubmission for the In This Short Life film page when you get a chance? I'd really appreciate it. It'd would great to get it accepted soon (when you have a chance of course!)
 * Thanks! EthanWinters1 (talk) 22:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Eloise Pickard Smith notability critique
User:DoubleGrazing - [says] I do not see anything inherently notable about [Smith]

I'd refer to these main claims at notability -
 * 1) She is the first director of arts.ca.gov, which has been a branch of CA State gov since 1976 (talked about prominently in "History" tab of that website).
 * 2) She founded California's first prison arts project, which is a branch of arts.ca.gov since 1977. (google search: california prison arts, or correction arts, or whatever related search terms are fair to check this is an accurate claim)
 * 3) She started the first art gallery on University of California, Santa Cruz's campus, now named after her (Eloise Pickard Smith Gallery, at Cowell College.
 * 4) Santa Cruz County parks scparks.com has an award named after her (Eloise Pickard Smith Award).

As it seems best practice: leaving up your notability tag so others can discuss, consider. If any of these claims seem to go against clause that Eloise Pickard Smith is a person of note, happy to have a discussion about them. Garrett.stephens (talk) 20:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @Garrett.stephens Please review the issue of WP:N notability, and in particular the general notability guideline WP:GNG. Notability has nothing to do with being 'important' or 'famous' or 'the first to have done X', etc. It is about whether the subject has had significant coverage in independent and reliable secondary sources. When I placed the notability tag, the article cited three sources: the Arts Council, Arts in Corrections, and the UCSC newsletter; none of which meets the required standard. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:53, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * In review, I maintain my disagreement on what you are saying about these sources not being secondary -
 * GNG -
 * "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
 * The book-length history of IBM by Robert Sobel is plainly non-trivial coverage of IBM.
 * Martin Walker's statement, in a newspaper article about Bill Clinton, that "In high school, he was part of a jazz band called Three Blind Mice" is plainly a trivial mention of that band.
 * "Reliable" means that sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.
 * "Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected. Sources do not have to be available online or written in English. Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability.
 * "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent.
 * "Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article. A more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article—perhaps because it violates what Wikipedia is not, particularly the rule that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.
 * For significant coverage, it is not a stretch for me to suggest a government branch arts.ca.gov that has existed for 50 years, in one of the first tabs accessible from its main site talks about its history. This is secondary. This is not an opinion news article. This is a published legislative source of information, where it has a section to talk about the history of the branch. And it specifically mentions Eloise as the first director, and then if you also notice, it doesn't mention every single director since then. Arts in Corrections as well is from a .gov source. Which warrants our paying some heed to its editorial rigor; those websites are not blogs, by any means. Again, separate branch of government, specifically within the historical framework presented mentioning Eloise Pickard Smith by name.
 * Reliable... I really think it is clear that there are at least 4-5 sources that are just apparently reliable. NPR's "This American Life" is a professional nationally renowned show and they did a whole segment on Page and Eloise. Arts.ca.gov is reliable (again, it would be absurd to compare this to a blog or some lesser kind of information soure) and same with the Arts in Corrections Website. You say that a University Newsletter is not reliable, but I would also disagree on that, because it is a publication with editors who are writing about the history of the gallery on the Campus that there editorial project is a part of. They host space on a subdomain of UCSC.edu, and that is again enough proof that it isn't by any means an independent blog. And all of this stands in favor of these being secondary, as clearly we are not dealing with "primary" sources, which would mean biographical/hearsay/personal accounts of past events. These are each independent publications with varying degrees of editorial rigor as a part of their existence as publication fronts.
 * In your initital critique of "most citations being primary" the main thing that stands out in GNG is the "independence of the subject" aspect of the GNG. Because even if you were editing based on good faith and thought the sources were not from peer-reviewed sources, or something, there is just a straight apparent thing we must agree on: there is a nearly outright total lack of primary sources on this page, and has been since I drafted it. Again, I guess we could talk about secondary sources, but it would be an odd set of steps it would take to establish how Eloise (a deceased artist and social activist) would have somehow flooded ca.gov and ucsc.edu domains with primary source personal story misinformation. I'm not sure how to state this other than, if there's only arts.ca.gov and Arts in Corrections and a newsletter from ucsc.edu and a county parks award named after Smith and an Art Gallery on UCSC's campus named after her.... it's not all that great of a stretch to pursue the clause - there exist enough independent sources referring to things that Eloise Pickard Smith has done throughout the last 50 years to warrant an article with citations pointing to these things .... (all of the items are easily google-able too, which helps if others want to verify) Garrett.stephens (talk) 05:27, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Garrett.stephens (talk) 05:27, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Eloise Pickard Smith 'primary sources' critique
User:DoubleGrazing [says] all sources are primary rather than secondary

I am not seeing this.
 * 1) a Timeline of arts.ca.gov, California Arts Council timeline that name-drops Smith in its inception. That is a secondary biographical source in my understanding, unless it is 'primary' in that its arts.ca.gov talking about its own history?
 * 2) CA Governor Jerry Brown interviewed by UCLA faculty, talking about how he appointed Smith. This is a notable politician referencing Eloise's appointment as first director, so is corroboration of a historical occurrence, is this one of the ones that is "primary"?
 * 3) a Timeline of arts.ca.gov > arts in corrections tab > artsincorrections.org ... again, branch of arts.ca.gov referring to Eloise as its founder, so not Primary unless that government branch referring to a figure as its founder is Primary?
 * 4) University of California, Santa Cruz public release about an exhibit to honor the life and work of the first founder of a gallery on a campus. Secondary as a legitimate public institution talking about a figure who was instrumental in its history, no? Unless the publication is primary because the writer is publishing on UCSC website talking about Smith and the history of the institution so that is somehow primary?
 * 5) NPR This American Life episode on Eloise and Page... seems legit, no? That's a pretty well reputed news source by most accounts
 * 6) Santa Cruz County, CA, Parks Department names an award of excellence after her... that's not primary
 * 7) A few (4) historical news paper articles about Eloise in the Santa Cruz Sentinel, Wiki generally considers newspapers to be secondary, unless one would argue Sentinel is a tabloid, but it has been around a long time, is archived at the Santa Cruz Public Library website, etc.
 * 8) Los Angeles Daily News guest commentary referring to Eloise's influence; this is a personal commentary, but is transparent as a guest commentary for a newspaper, and is an "external reference", is not cited as a source for any of the biographical content on the page

This is what you said - "only primary sources are cited, and I don't see anything that would make this inherently notable + much of the content is unreferenced" ... I would object to this. I don't see any primary sources, so I'm not sure where that claim finds grounding. Much of content unreferenced... Any look at the page will see a reference after each clause, so I also don't know what this is referring to, unless there is a clear contest about one of the above sources lacking credibility... Would appreciate any clarification on this matter

Garrett.stephens (talk) 20:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Portugal Space
Hello DoubleGrazing! I added some references in the Draft:Portugal Space that you saw back in February (I wasn't the original editor, but wanted to help). What do you think? I'm not sure about the last paragraph since I couldn't find much to fully support it. It may be a stub that can be expanded depending how it ends. Thanks, Erick Soares3 (talk) 12:30, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Erick Soares3 — looks good to me now, so I've accepted it. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:06, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Erick Soares3 (talk) 14:09, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Rebecca_Frecknall resubmission
Hello!

Many thanks for reviewing my submission (Draft:Rebecca_Frecknall) last week. I'm grateful for your time. I've added significant secondary sources to demonstrate her notability. Would you mind looking over it again, please?

Mdbigg (talk) 17:57, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Vladislav Sviblov
Hello. Please see this draft. There were objections about the sources. As a result, dubious sources were removed as well as some fragments of the text. Thanks. Валерий Пасько (talk) 20:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC).

Thanks for your review
Hyvää DG! Thanks for reviewing my article submission (Tony King (muscician)). I agree with your comments, thanks for taking the time to make them. I'll re-write the article and resubmit. Subsequently to your review ... I've read your Wiki page, taking note of your interests and efforts here for Wikipedia .. wow! It seems I've ticked off all your 'pissed' boxes in one go! So I apologise for my newness, lack of experience in submitting articles, poor referencing, submitting a typical 'English-wikiverse article that seems to be created from a new account with minor edits to promote a muscician/artist', and for any perceived conflict-of-interest you feel I have with the page subject. I'm definitely not employed by the subject to write the article. Otherwise I would have declared it as per Wiki rules. I just feel the musician is someone that needs recognition, after following his career for many years. The article reflects Australian history. It needs to be documented. I'll improve my writing so it seems less opinion, and more fact. Kiitos.Lingonpojken (talk) 00:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Bypassing AFC
As you have said in various AFDs, bypassing AFC can lead to AFD and cause more work for the volunteers and doesn't do the paid editors or POV pushers any good. I won't tell them that if they don't want to accept the results of AFC, they shouldn't use it at the beginning. If they get a decline on AFC and are not satisfied, they do one of two things, neither of which is useful. Either they move the draft into article space, or they copy the draft into article space. Maybe they don't realize that both of those are very obvious to the reviewers. If they just create an article, it sometimes takes a little longer to notice, and to take the article to AFD. I won't tell them. If they want to bypass AFC, they shouldn't try using it at all, but I won't tell them. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:16, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, can you review my created page? i added independen sources, please check it once again, may i do it it right very carefully — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gus1182 (talk • contribs) 10:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Gus1182:
 * Firstly, please provide a link to the article you're talking about. (Okay, on this occasion I know what you mean, but still.)
 * Secondly, please sign your messages on all talk pages, so others know it's you. Type four tildes (~), or just click on the 'signature and time stamp' button above the edit window.
 * Thirdly and in answer to your request, I've already said on the draft page that I will not be reviewing this, so will leave it for others to do it instead. (Which probably works in your favour, because on a quick glance I don't think I would be accepting this now, either.)
 * Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:49, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Gus1182 (talk) 11:15, 22 April 2022 (UTC) how long it must take?
 * @Gus1182 it's impossible to say, pending drafts are not reviewed in any particular order; could be that someone reviews it tomorrow, could be several months from now, or anything in between. And of course, reviewing doesn't necessarily mean approving, so depending on how many reviews it goes through, multiply the time times that. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:26, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Gus1182 (talk) 11:31, 22 April 2022 (UTC) I've been doing this first article for the second month, finally after weeks found all the sources that acceptable for wiki an did it carefully, hope they approve this article, thanks
 * Gus1182 (talk) 10:39, 25 April 2022 (UTC) Hello DoubleGrazing, can you advise what to fix or add to the article to get approved?

Question from Scollins8877 on Colombo City Centre (14:37, 23 April 2022)
It's a artist by the name of YOUNG S.H.O he has a google page already u wanna add stuff about him so he can have a Wikipedia he has a lot of famous family members Antonio Hamilton they grew up in the same house he is a NFL athlete and Jakar Hamilton these guys are cousins aka brothers of Shannon Collins aka YOUNG S.H.O whom is signed to Empire distribution under Ghazi Shami how can I get him a Wikipedia page --Scollins8877 (talk) 14:37, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Scollins8877: no thanks, I'll pass; to be honest, I don't even know what you're talking about. I would encourage you to have a go, though. However, seeing as you've tried and it was speedily deleted, you would have to do it differently. If you haven't yet looked at Help:Your first article, there's some good advice there to get you started. Happy editing! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:52, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Your comment on Draft:Jahangirnagar University Science Club
Hello, You have made a comment on Draft:Jahangirnagar University Science Club and told to mention three strongest sources. Although most of the sources added in the article are from top level national print and online news media of Bangladesh, I am mentioning three here. 1. The Daily Jugantar-: বিজ্ঞানমনস্কতাই যে ক্লাবটির আরাধ্য 2. The Daily Sun-: Glorious 15 years of JU Science Club 3. The Bangladesher Khabor (ePaper): বিজ্ঞানপ্রেমীদের ক্লাব জেইউএসসি

This club is contributing to STEM fields of Bangladesh. Most of the national print and electronic media covers its news in every event it has organized before. Tv channels also covered its news before. This indicates the notability of the organization/club. The link of different notable Bangladeshi Newspaper has already been added to the article. Let me know if I can help you with other information. Thank You.

Tareq1619 (talk) 23:11, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Tareq1619


 * Hi @Tareq1619: thanks, but the first link you have provided doesn't seem to work; the second is a JU publication and therefore not independent; and the third may or may not be good, but isn't alone enough. What else do you have? Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:31, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Dear @DoubleGrazing: Thanks for the prompt reply. I am providing some other articles; I think they will meet the independent article criteria. 1.Ekushey TV: জাবি সায়েন্স ক্লাবের সভাপতি শরিফ সম্পাদক রাব্বানী (This news is about new committee of 2019), 2. The Daily Observer: JU Science Club gets new executive body (This news is about the formation of new committee of 2018). 3. The Daily Inqilab: জাবি সায়েন্স ক্লাবের সভাপতি শ্রাবণ, সম্পাদক সনেট (This news is about formation of new committee in 2020). 4. Bangladesh Pratidin: https://www.bd-pratidin.com/campus-online/2020/01/04/489231 (This news is about the winter cloth distribution of this club). 5. The Daily Samakal: জাবিতে ৭ম জাতীয় গণিত অলিম্পিয়াড শুরু ২৩ এপ্রিল (This news is about organizing math olympiad. This club organizes math olympiad every year and gets a significant number of coverages. I have added the latest one.) 6. The Daily Samakal: জাবিতে বিজ্ঞান মেলা শুরু 7. The Daily Star: Nat’l science fest begins at JU
 * As almost all the articles are in Bangla Newspaper, the link size is big. Sorry about that. But I have found that this club gets coverage from top-level print and electronic media when it organizes any event. It indicates the notability of the organization. However, I have seen an article about Dhaka University Debating Society in Wikipedia, which is organization/club. If as like this club yIf that article meets the notability, I think this article also fulfills the notability criteria. ou have any suggestions for me, please let me know.
 * -- Tareq1619 (talk) 14:24, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft:In This Short Life Revisions Updates
Hi again!

Would you mind looking over In This Short Life's page again? About a week ago you stated that the new sources made it much stronger and it would be acceptable now. Is there anything else I should do to make it publishable? Thanks again for all your help!

EthanWinters1 (talk) 15:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @EthanWinters1 — I think I'll let someone else have a go at reviewing it. All I said was that it could be accepted, not that it necessarily would be, let alone that I would accept it. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:32, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, no worries. I appreciate the help. In the meantime, is there anything else I should focus on to make it more publishable? -- EthanWinters1 (talk) 15:35, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @EthanWinters1: I guess you could take a look (if you haven't already) at WP:WikiProject Film/Assessment which tells you what that project looks for when assessing articles. This won't affect its chances at AfC, but may help to improve its rating once published. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:LH_Research submission recloned
There is an ongoing discussion about this Draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#dispute_with_User:Praxidicae_who_repeatedly_moves_article_LH_Research_back_into_draftspace — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoman3 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Geoman3: thanks for letting me know, although I don't quite see what it has to do with me. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:42, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * "Regarding sources, the article cites 9, plus some "Further reading". Of the 9 cited sources, the ones that strike me as applicable towards notability" said User:ONUnicorn, and see statement of User:FeydHuxtable below Geoman3 (talk) 06:45, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

see also the statement of FeydHuxtable curprev 17:08, 25 April 2022‎ FeydHuxtable talk contribs‎ 7,312 bytes −112‎  decline speedy - LH Research was a big deal back in the 80s. It had over two thousand staff mostly in CA, with ppps in LatAm & Europe. It married the old school hacker -hippie ethos that gave us GNU & open source with the commitment to quality one used to find with the best of US capitalism, and had worldwide positive impact. undothank https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:LH_Research&action=history — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoman3 (talk • contribs) 06:39, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @Geoman3 — again, not sure why you're telling me all this? I declined the draft not because the company wasn't important or 'big deal' etc., but because the sources cited do not demonstrate notability in the way that is required per WP:GNG.
 * BTW, please remember to sign your comments on all talk pages. Type four tildes (~) or click on the 'signature and time stamp' button above the edit window. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:45, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello
Gus1182 (talk) 12:43, 27 April 2022 (UTC) Hello DoubleGrazing, can you advise what to fix to get approved? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Giga_Agladze


 * @Gus1182: you have to demonstrate NOTABILITY, which is the reason why this draft has been declined previously. Please read and understand WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. That coverage has to be of the article subject directly, not of some indirectly related matters such as famous people they associate with or films they've made, etc. I can see that you have added a few new sources to the draft, but one of them is an interview, which is not considered independent and reliable, and the others provide coverage of the film he has made, and therefore do not contribute to his notability. As it stands, I would be declining this draft again. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Gus1182 (talk) 13:07, 27 April 2022 (UTC) Ok, thank you for the answer, I also made movie article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Other_Me_(2022_film)

One more
Gus1182 (talk) 21:12, 28 April 2022 (UTC) Hello DoubleGrazing, I found info about person on national fimography website and national parlamentary library website, added 2 links in external links, can you check?