User talk:Doug Alder

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The Computer Paper (magazine) article needs citations
Hello there Doug -- nice to see you online on WP!

You've added a lot of good info about the venerable old magazine -- until I saw your early draft the other day I hadn't realized that it was fully defunct.

Just wanted to say "thanks" for your efforts so far, and to let you know that the points that you are making in the article really ought to be cited wherever possible. For a sample, take a look at Citation_templates and the "journal" citation template listed there. It would also be good to throw in references from outside of the publication (i.e. any of the magazines you list in the "References" section) as well as from The Computer Paper itself. Will see if I can find anything online and will add what I can to the article here.

On a different matter entirely, is there an archive of the old magazines somewhere, preferably digital? I have a bunch of the old articles and reviews that I wrote, but not whole magazines (I used to, but they were too bulky to carry around from move to move).

Cheers! Captmondo (talk) 11:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

- Hi K.

This may not be the best way to reply to you (I don't see the 'Reply' button anywhere, so here goes.

Not totally clear on how to 'throw in references'. Do you mean, take quotes out of the articles in the 'References' section and add them into the article?

As far as I know, the most likely source of the digital archives would be the last publisher, Scott Piccolo. I have been meaning to try and contact him, but he did not respond to my last email. It would definitely be cool to have that stuff available online. Some of it can be found on the waybackmachine, but it is spotty.

I think David Tanaka mentioned he had a garage full of mouldering issues, probably in Lethbridge.

Doug


 * Not to worry, I am "watching" your page on WP, so I will be notified when you (or anybody else) makes a change to it. I see you have attempted to throw in a reference to a Globe and Mail article -- do you have the day, author and page number reference for that as well? If so, let me know what it is and I'll throw it into the correct WP format for you.


 * Thanks for uploading the covers. If they are retained by WP (see discussion points at the bottom) I will see if I can PhotoShop them in order to clean them up a bit.


 * I have an accordion file filed with clippings of old articles/reviews I did, but nothing that contained a cover of the old magazine, so seeing the examples that you posted really brought me back.


 * By the way, to properly sign things in WP, on talk pages (like this one) use four tildes ( ~ ). Cheers! Captmondo (talk) 15:39, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

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-- the photo in question is linked to the article The Computer Paper (magazine). I have updated more of the summary information and believe that it satisfies the requirements for fair use.

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-- the photo in question is linked to the article The Computer Paper (magazine). I have updated more of the summary information and believe that it satisfies the requirements for fair use.


 * The point is that the images are linked but not directly *used* within the article. I believe I have taken care of that by adding a "gallery" section to the article that uses both of the other cover images directly. Will check with FinalRapture as to whether or not that satisfies the requirements for keeping them.


 * By the way, for that Globe and Mail reference that you mention at one point, can you narrow it down to a specific date and page number? That would make for a solid citation to back up the point that you are trying to make.


 * Cheers! Captmondo (talk) 15:39, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

-- Thanks for doing all that clean up on the text. I found the actual Globe and Mail article date and have included it. I have no page number, but it was the front of a section called The Entrepreneurs.

Doug

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Looks like those extra covers for 'The Computer Paper' got deleted. Any suggestions for the best way to add them back so they are properly 'used', or linked so they won't get tagged for speedy deletion again?

Thanks. Doug Alder (talk) 05:48, 17 June 2010 (UTC) Doug Alder

I'm not sure there's anything you can do in this case. The original magazines are copyrighted, and are arguably rightfully owned by whoever now owns the name. Even if the answer to that is "nobody" standard copyright rules still apply. And you can't apparently list multiple covers in a gallery -- I disagree on the Wikipedia principle being applied by the person who deleted them, but he didn't comment on that point. In the end Wikipedia can't be the repository for all things, and I think having multiple covers of The Computer Paper is one of those occasions. Captmondo (talk) 15:39, 18 June 2010 (UTC)