User talk:Doug Weller/Archive 50

Wikidata weekly summary #310
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 
 * Events
 * Past:
 * Wikibase workshop in Antwerp, Belgium, April 23-25
 * Phabricator workboard
 * Wikibase registry
 * WikiWorkshop, a forum bringing together researchers exploring all aspects of the Wikimedia projects
 * Wikidata meetup in Zurich, Switzerland, April 25th
 * DDJ Monaco: Wikidata for digital Journalists; Open-Source-Treffen: SPARQL-Workshop, Munich, April 25 and 27
 * Daten in Wikidata einbringen (Bringing data into Wikidata) - Hands-on tutorial within the DINI KIM Workshop 2018
 * Upcoming:
 * Wikidata workshop in Köln, Germany, on May 5th and 6th
 * Wikidata workshop in Vienna, Austria, on May 5th
 * Wikidata workshop in Pardubice, Czech Republic, on May 5th


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * New badge available for sitelinks: good list
 * Sitelinks for the new Ingush Wikipedia (inhwiki) can be added
 * Support for the second new Gorontalo Wikipedia (gorwiki) is here
 * Articles of the third new Lingua Franca Nova Wikipedia (lfnwiki) may be connected
 * A Wikidata Telegram group has been created by volunteers
 * Constraint Summary script is showing the total amount of constraints reports on the top of an item page
 * Contexto is a Wordpress plugin displaying Wikidata info in a hovercard. See demo, you can also let feedback to the developer
 * Sixth months before Wikidata's sixth birthday: you can organize a local event


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: fault, member of the crew of, nature of statement
 * External identifiers: Logainm ID, IAFD film ID, Il mondo dei doppiatori ID, Réunion des musées nationaux ID, Swedish Literature Bank AuthorID, FIS speed skier ID, New Zealand Gazetteer place ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: crop, date of first attestation, place of first attestation, Wikidata property example for lexemes, Wikidata property example for forms, Wikidata property example for senses, false-friend, demonym (Lexeme), Allaboutjazz musician ID, homonym, paronym, streetViewUrl, constraint, WikiCFP eventID, WikiCFP conference series ID, Mascot of, program committee member, applies to name, values for this type, items for this type, Maintained by Wikiproject, Amateur Radio Callsign
 * External identifiers: Ontario public library ID, Italian School ID, TFRRS athlete ID, Linux Game Database properties, Swedish Literature Bank book ID, ICAA film catalogue ID, Stepwell Atlas ID, OnsOranje player ID, OnsOranje tournament ID, OnsOranje match ID


 * Infrequently used properties created >3 months:
 * Historic Place Names of Wales ID (P4697), American Art Collaborative object ID (P4692), Arquivo Arq ID (P4694), Argentine deputy ID (P4693), HATVP person ID (P4703), Ent'revues ID (P4706), VOGRIPA ID (P4708), Rugby Canada ID (P4707), title page number (P4714), Conseil de Presse Luxembourg journalist ID (P4698)
 * Query examples:
 * Timeline of Wikibase instances and WikidataCon events (federated query)
 * User-friendly list of news articles by Kim Wall, as linked from the German and English Wikipedia (based on work of fnielsen)
 * Places of birth of the European Parliament members (source)
 * Obelisks in Rome (source)
 * Artists from Cameroon and their places of birth (source)
 * Place of birth of people with an ORCID ID (source)
 * [https://query.wikidata.org/#%23%20Metro%20stations%20in%20Milano%20by%20date%0A%23defaultView%3AMap%7B%22layer%22%3A%22%3FdateBin%22%7D%0ASELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fcoord%20%3Fimage%20%3FminDate%20%3FdateBin%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20BIND%28%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%28YEAR%28%3FminDate%29%29%20%3C%201970%2C%20%22%3C%201970%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20IF%28%28YEAR%28%3FminDate%29%29%20%3C%201980%2C%20%221970%20-%201979%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20IF%28%28YEAR%28%3FminDate%29%29%20%3C%201990%2C%20%221980%20-%201989%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20IF%28%28YEAR%28%3FminDate%29%29%20%3C%202000%2C%20%221990%20-%201999%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20IF%28%28YEAR%28%3FminDate%29%29%20%3C%202010%2C%20%222000%20-%202009%22%2C%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%222010%2B%22%29%29%29%29%29%20%0A%20%20%20AS%20%3FdateBin%29%0A%20%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%28MIN%28%3Fdate%29%20AS%20%3FminDate%29%20%3Fcoord%20%3Fimage%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP361%20wd%3AQ735559.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP625%20%3Fcoord.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP18%20%3Fimage.%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP1619%20%3Fd1.%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP571%20%3Fd2.%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20BIND%28IF%28BOUND%28%3Fd1%29%2C%20%3Fd1%2C%20%3Fd2%29%20AS%20%3Fdate%29%0A%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20GROUP%20BY%20%3Fitem%20%3Fcoord%20%3Fimage%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20%3FminDate History of Milano metro stations on a map] (source)
 * Number of versions, editions and translations by language of work (source)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.
 * Development
 * More work on the internal API for Wikibase-Lexeme (T190906)
 * Fix some errors happening when editing Lexemes (T192766, T192264)
 * Use language code validation for forms representations (T193010, T193011)
 * Add badge for good lists to Wikidata (T190976)
 * Fix bugs regarding the thumbnails on media statements (T192910, T192601, T192869)
 * Investigate on dispatch lag problems (T193349)
 * Fix a bug on the watchlist on Wikipedia (T192673)


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

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Administrators' newsletter – May 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2018). Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg None
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Chochopk • Coffee • Gryffindor • Jimp • Knowledge Seeker • Lankiveil • Peridon • Rjd0060

Guideline and policy news
 * The ability to create articles directly in mainspace is now indefinitely restricted to autoconfirmed users.
 * A proposal is being discussed which would create a new "event coordinator" right that would allow users to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit.

Technical news
 * AbuseFilter has received numerous improvements, including an OOUI overhaul, syntax highlighting, ability to search existing filters, and a few new functions. In particular, the search feature can be used to ensure there aren't existing filters for what you need, and the new  function can be used when checking multiple namespaces. One major upcoming change is the ability to see which filters are the slowest. This information is currently only available to those with access to Logstash.
 * When blocking anonymous users, a cookie will be applied that reloads the block if the user changes their IP. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. This currently only occurs when hard-blocking accounts.
 * The block notice shown on mobile will soon be more informative and point users to a help page on how to request an unblock, just as it currently does on desktop.
 * There will soon be a calendar widget at Special:Block, making it easier to set expiries for a specific date and time.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee is seeking additional clerks to help with the arbitration process.

Obituaries
 * (Craig Franklin) passed away in mid-April. Lankiveil joined Wikipedia on 12 August 2004 and became an administrator on 31 August 2008. During his time with the Wikimedia community, Lankiveil served as an oversighter for the English Wikipedia and as president of Wikimedia Australia.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:05, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Organization for Respect and Care for Animals
Dear Doug, Sorry if I'm doing this wrong, today is my first day as a wiki editor and I haven't got the hang of it yet. You deleted a section on this page titled 'most notable achievements' citing the lack of mainstream sources as your reason. Is it okay to keep that section in if I delete the words 'most notable' or even 'achievements'? Thank you for your time

Orcanarco Orcanarco (talk) 09:41, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Responding on your talk page. Doug Weller  talk 09:48, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Trojan Horse ancient representations
Hello Doug, sorry for not signing my previous edit in the named article, I didn't realize I was not logged in -

Here is why I think the parts added by RRobbyy in this section (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trojan_Horse&oldid=813369853) don't belong here:

1- these parts, including the image, refer to ancient images of a horse, not of The _Trojan_ Horse; they are interesting, but definitely off-topic.

2- other subjects treated include the house of Agamemnon in itself, and ancient coinage; nothing of this relates directly to the Trojan Horse myth

3- with this insertion, the logical flow of the paragraph is compromised; before and after, it specifically deals with the first representation of the TH myth

I hope this helps you understand my contribution. Please share any comments.

Signo (talk) 12:42, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

may I add: I have found no reference to the horse head coins in any of the published sources about ancient Trojan Horse representation that  I read Signo (talk) 12:56, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Revdel request
You revdeled this edit to Talk:Rightpedia. Could you also revdel the edit summary too? It contains what the editor placed on the talk page. Thanks, — MRD2014 Talk 23:24, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * perhaps contradictorily (that's not a word), I deliberately left that as evidence. Do you really think it's worth ref/deling? Doug Weller  talk 15:59, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I was thinking if you revdeled the edit then the edit summary should be revdeled too. But it's up to you. — MRD2014 Talk 17:07, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Vandal
Can you take a look at this new editor's edits (Lucas-Recio). I guess this is a case of Vandalism-only account. This edit shows his trollish behaviors. Regards -Aṭlas (talk) 18:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * He called me a "racist trolll" -Aṭlas (talk) 21:22, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry I haven't gotten back to you. Let's see what happens at the SPI. I haven't had time to look carefully but a superficial look did show definite similarities. Doug Weller  talk 19:53, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Random Question RE Policy
Hey Doug, this is ZfJames. I was wondering (after reverting yet another edit to a school page by the school IP) if it would not be more efficient to topic-block school IP addresses from editing school pages (if they exist). While I understand that all Wikipedians should be able to contribute, it would make sense if users had to create an account before just typing in random words (on their school computers) on their alma mater Wikipedia page... - zfJames Please ping me in your reply on this page  (chat page, contribs) 21:41, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

IP problem
Hi Doug Weller. I'm having a bit of trouble with an IP (101.178.163.208). This IP had been adding/changing unconstructive edits in articles like Louvre Abu Dhabi, Bessborough Reservoir, Ramón Nomar, Playa del Rey, Los Angeles, among many others. You might remember this conversation Drmies had with him/her some time back and you posted a comment below that. This IP had for many instances apart from edit-warring and refusing to use the talk pages has had an aggressive attitude with other editors and acting disconsiderate of other editors disregarding their opinions and whatever warning a user might tell him/her and he/she boomerangs it back to the user rather than trying to be constructive as seen in his/her talk page and edit summaries, he/she even reverted Drmies' comment in his/her talk page because s/he can't stand being opposed (although he/she's allowed to do that but you get the point). I've been considering reporting this IP to ANI since he/she won't stop. What do you think I should do? (N0n3up (talk) 06:55, 2 May 2018 (UTC))


 * Non3up, Dmries is known to swear. So you telling me that is allowed is it? If I swore or used swear words, I would be blocked immediately. Oh, I am being aggressive? You don't even know what aggressive is. You seem to have done the same, perhaps worse. You also delete legitimate content and sources.101.178.163.208 (talk) 02:36, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I think that if it continues you should report to ANI, but not at the moment. I don't think I should intervene given my involvement. Doug Weller  talk 12:22, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Special:Contributions&target=197.159.176.186
Thanks for this DW; do you think the contributions should be revdel'd? I marked Symbol so, but there's a few more. Cheers! —SerialNumber54129 paranoia / cheap shit room 12:10, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Damn that IP! I've done it but I could have been doing research to fix Glozel instead. I'm gathering a lot of material for it. Doug Weller  talk 12:12, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much—yeah, I agree—I've had this open in edit mode for the last half hour, and have only corrected a few typos :)  That's really interesting, that Glozel controversy—never would have thought archaeology would be so cut-throat! Good luck with that, I'll befollowing it with interest.   —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap shit room 12:17, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail
Sort of. I think. I'm honestly not even sure if it's relevant to your interests. But either way you were asked for in. Primefac (talk) 18:30, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)
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Aliens and Racists
Thank you for noting on the Fringe Theories board the fine Newsweek story concerning the woes of MUFON. Although the story utterly fails to provide any new insights into the original alliance between racists and aliens - I am of course referring to the fact that Goatman was a Confederate soldier from Proxima Centauri b - I will nevertheless try to edit the article later today. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 13:18, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #311
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 
 * Discussions
 * New request for comments:
 * Sort identifier statements on items that are instances of human
 * Make "developer" and "programmer" properties clearer


 * Events
 * Wikidata and GLAM workshop day in the context of the EuropeanaTech Conference, Rotterdam, Monday 14 May 2018
 * Wikidata access methods, slides by Dan Scott


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * More than 850 living people' articles from the English Wikipedia which have date of death or place of death on their Wikidata item: manual checks needed. You can also check Category:P570 missing in Wikipedia
 * Florian will be improving Wikidata support in the Wikipedia plugin for OpenStreetMap's JOSM editor, for the Google Summer of Code 2018
 * Prssanna Desai will work on improvements for the Query Service during Google Summer of Code


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: Deutsche Bahn station category, has grammatical gender, has grammatical person, Wikimedia outline, assistant director, island of location, possible medical findings, suggests the existence of, has evaluation, evaluation of, greater than, less than
 * External identifiers: Dictionary of Algorithms and Data Structures ID, Behind The Voice Actors character ID, HanCinema film ID, Italian School ID, Directory of Open Access Journals ID, LGDB game ID, LGDB emulator ID, LGDB tool ID, LGDB engine ID, TFRRS athlete ID, All About Jazz musician ID, Ontario public library ID, Swedish Literature Bank book ID, WikiCFP event ID, WikiCFP conference series ID, ICAA film catalogue ID, Stepwell Atlas ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: IMDA rating, is program committee member of, officialized by, KAVI rating, topographic map, child monotypic taxon, Köppens klimaklassifisering, Möllendorff transliteration, attested, geographic center, season of club or team, sports competition competed at, factorizsation, coastline, forest cover, vehicles per capita, audio transcription
 * External identifiers: e-MEC entry, Norwegian war sailor register ship ID, Thesaurus For Graphic Materials, GNOME Wiki ID, Israel Film Fund ID, The New Fund for Cinema and Television (Israel) ID, Cinema Project ID, Chinese Political Elites Database ID, Israeli Movie Testimonial Database Person ID, Israeli Movie Testimonial Database Movie ID, JMA Seismic Intensity Database ID, Portale della Canzone italiana IDs, Trustpilot company ID, Ester ID, Dictionary of Swedish Translators


 * Properties lacking use created > 3 months:
 * Sign@l journal ID (P4726), INRAN Italian Food ID (P4729), produced sound (P4733), IBM code page ID (P4734), IBM graphic character global ID (P4736), Line Music album ID (P4748), Line Music artist ID (P4747), is proceedings from (P4745), National Historic Ships certificate no. (P4750), Manus Online ID (P4752)
 * Deleted properties: Réunion des musées nationaux ID (P5100)
 * Query examples:
 * Map of birth places of authors in the Portuguese Wikisource
 * Video games that are set in the Star Wars Expanded Universe by game mode (source)
 * Timeline of Programming Languages (source)
 * Timeline of people named Karl born in Karlsruhe (source)


 * Development
 * Allow continuing Wikidata entity dumps (T193688)
 * Make sure Wikidata entity dump scripts run for a short amount of time (T190513)
 * Add monolingual language code shy (T184783)
 * More work on preparing QuickStatements to be run by other parties (T193606, T192079, T192365)
 * Expand references with constraint violations (T177970)
 * Improving validation of Form representations on WikibaseLexeme (T193011)
 * Fixing a bug that replaces a representation by another (T192264)
 * Enable finding forms using wbsearchentities API (T191981)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

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Tower of Bagels
Hi, sorry about that, I mass reverted that editor per WP:DENY and Sockpuppet investigations/Josh.172. GiantSnowman 10:09, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Romani people stateless nation
In my edit I cited the declaration of the Romani people being a stateless nation in all definition of the term. I also cited the origin of the Roma, and included a source for mostly everything I included. You also removed a section of the page that I had nothing to do with, which was pointless. I ask that my edit (or portion of it) as well as the section that was removed please be revised. Sorry if I'm not doing this right, I'm new to wikipedia. Attornoo (talk) 17:00, 8 May 2018 (UTC)Attornoo
 * User:Attornoo No need to be sorry, as you say, you're new. We need independent sources meeting WP:RS. See WP:VERIFY. The origin of the Roma really isn't relevant, we just need the sources saying explicitly that it's a stateless nation. Perhaps you can find some, but a self-declaration won't do. I will say that that article has a lot of problems. The other bit that I removed was also not sourced and was in the WP:LEAD, which is meant to be a summary of the article and of course until you added Roma they weren't discussed in the article. I can't restore unsourced material, that's against policy. Doug Weller  talk 17:55, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

User Silverije
I strongly suggest to give a look to the user behaviour. I consider his behaviour as an evident POV pushing. It's not the first time, if you remember.Rosso Veneziano (talk) 19:38, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If you think there are serious problems I suggest you go to WP:ANI with 'diffs' showing the problems. I don't have the time to get involved in a subject I don't know. Doug Weller  talk 15:36, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. I'll check what will happen. Thank you.Rosso Veneziano (talk) 18:41, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Page protection
Hi Doug, can you please protect the Little Nightmares page? Thanks.-KH-1 (talk) 12:01, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion
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Unexplained
Re:

There's a date of 600 ka ago, but no info provided for that date, as indicated by an edit summary of "Empty."

79.18.125.170 (talk) 14:10, 10 May 2018 (UTC)


 * The article is a mess. That text was in a 600 kya entry and is still there, but was deated 365 in the earliest version, a version which had no sources. Doug Weller talk 15:42, 10 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Sorry for that, I should perhaps have done some digging myself. 79.18.125.170 (talk) 16:30, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Skinwalker Ranch Edit - New Documentary - Edit Reversed
Doug, can you confirm your thinking behind why the edit is reversed based on "Not released yet"? I refer to other films which are not yet released which are cited - Star Wars Episode IX as an example. It's also not yet released or even completed yet it is on Wikipedia Boomerkc (talk) 21:56, 11 May 2018 (UTC).

my comment applies to films, books, etc. Films which will already meet our notability requirements at WP:NFILM can of course be mentioned. This clearly would incude any Star Wars sequels. The Skinwalker film doesn't compare and probably shouldn't be included at all, certainly not without reliable independent sources commenting on it. Doug Weller talk 12:39, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Wikipe-tan
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User talk:I am a user and not a bot so please dont confuse me with a bot
I tried. You and can figure out if anything further needs to be done, but most likely anything posted on their use talk is going to meet a similar response. My other interaction with this editor at User talk:Acroterion went pretty much the same way, so perhaps I should've known better. Anyway, I have a feeling this editor is likely going to eventually end up being blocked as WP:NOTHERE, if they don't re-evaluate their approach to all things Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 15:21, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * @Marchjuly: you gave it a good try. I thought of adding my own note, but I think it's best to just leave them alone, and they will either find their way or not in the course of time/  Acroterion   (talk)   15:33, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you. I think I've stopped also. At least he's terse. Not everyone I've been dealing with in the last 24 hours has been able to resist using as many words as possible and then doubling the amount. :-) Doug Weller  talk 15:39, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Concise grumpiness is definitely preferable to verbose hostility.  Acroterion   (talk)   15:48, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Ulysses S. Grant a/k/a Hiram Ulysses Grant

 * What is the best way to make this more historically accurate?

"A tactical defeat, the battle gave Grant's volunteers confidence and experience. Confederate morale was shaken, while Grant as a general willing to fight was noticed by President Lincoln."?

"A tactical defeat"? - Not correct, this was a decisive CS victory. (This can be backed up by many sources).

"gave Grant's volunteers confidence and experience" - Experience - Yes, confidence - No. (This can be backed up by many many sources) but also this sounds as though the writer is leading up to say that Confederate forces lost confidence and did not gain experience when the opposite is true (again, many sources).

To top off the absurdity the next sentence reads...

"Confederate morale was shaken" because of Grant's defeat at Belmont. Dozens of period sources can be cited here to refute this. Also, and not surprisingly, the source cited does not appear to say that. A cursory free view of that source at books.google.com shows the word "morale" and "Belmont" are not even mentioned in the same chapter. I do not believe this source backs that statement but I have not bought the $35 e-book by that author.

"... while Grant as a general willing to fight was noticed by President Lincoln." I have not researched that particular folk tale, thus I personally will not try to change that but I do not believe a viable period source will ever be found indicating the President was impressed in any way by Grant's blunder at Belmont. Yes, shortly after this Grant began to show he was willing to mix-it-up with the Confederates and aggressively attack the entire situation but Belmont?? Come on.

I would be happy to explain the well documented cover up by Grant which began the very night he returned to Cairo and why today the U. S. NPS's official summary is "Union Victory" but I don't mean to bore anyone and it would mean nothing in this talk section. Confederate morale did not suffer as a result of their rout of Grant's army at the Battle of Belmont. They gained valuable experience and the rout caused an increase in volunteers. Grant's blunder at Belmont, (actually attacking contrary to specific orders), probably prolonged that war.

Consider giving me pointers on how we should clear up this misrepresentation of American history. Should we simply delete that statement or do I need to have a counter statement with sources? How do you correct an absurd statement like, "The sky is never blue in the month of May in the Sunny South." ? Do you delete it or do you add several sentences with sources showing photos, conclusions in books, diary accounts, etc.?


 * Please take this to the talk page so that others can see it and participate. Doug Weller  talk 12:33, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Rjr1960 (talk) 22:10, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #312
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 
 * Discussions
 * Open request for adminship: Adminor


 * Events
 * Past: GLAM forum in Yerevan, Armenia, 10-12 May 2018
 * slides for 'What is Wikidata: How can GLAMs work with Wikidata?' presentation by Andy Mabbett
 * A Wikidata workshop was given by Liam Wyatt and appeared at the national Armenian television
 * Wikidata workshop day at GLAMwiki conference in Rotterdam, May 14th
 * Wikidata workshop in Paris, May 18th
 * Next Wikidata IRC office hour: May 29th at 18:00 (UTC+2, Berlin time) on the channel #wikimedia-office


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * Wikidata: a platform for your library’s linked open data by Stacy Allison-Cassin & Dan Scott, in the journal Code4Lib (also posted on Reddit)
 * Enriching Reconciled Data with OpenRefine, by Karen Hwang


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * New feature for the Query Service: check the location of the browser
 * New monolingual code available: shy (Shawiya)
 * You can have a look at the draft for the RDF mapping of Wikibase Lexeme
 * New feature for the Query Service: check the location of the browser


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: item for this sense, season of club or team, Möllendorff transliteration, geographic center, coastline
 * External identifiers: none


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: IGAC rating, taxon described in publication, jockey, Norsk fjordkatalog-ID, Wikidata:Dataset Imports, toponym
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<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 14:54, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Suggested Warning Template
Hi Doug!

I realized recently we don't have a good warning template for AP2 active remedies. I thought it might be useful to make one specifically for pages that have active remedies on them like United States presidential election, 2020.

I've made a test template at User:EvergreenFir/AP2 based off of Template:Post-1932 American politics discretionary sanctions page restrictions and Template:alert

Would this be something useful for the rest of the community? Since it's related to ARBCOM issues, I figured it best to ask before using.

Pinging a few folks who may be willing to chime in:.

Cheers,  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 23:12, 13 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Seems like a good idea to me, though I'll point out I'm no longer on the ArbCom :) GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:14, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Any admin can weigh in! Feel free to ping folks too., for some more arb folks  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 23:22, 13 May 2018 (UTC)


 * This is probably best discussed at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard. It's based on something Coffee created - see Template talk:Post-1932 American politics discretionary sanctions page restrictions. I've tried to get it changed and probably will again. Our decision was simply " standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people." This goes beyond that. I'm not fond of the consensus required bit. Coffee used to keep lists of what was consensus on talk pages but that's obviously unworkable. Doug Weller  talk 12:42, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay! To be honest, my goal was more about the 1RR issue than anything else. We have 3RR warnings in Twinkle, but not 1RR+DS warning.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 15:13, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Félix-Marie Abel
Hi I created article in my userspace User:Shrike/Félix-Marie Abel could you help me with copy-editing.Thanks --Shrike (talk) 12:54, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Next up, this colleague. Drmies (talk) 14:54, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * can you help Shrike? I've done a bit but my French isn't good enough to read the sources or fine new ones. Doug Weller  talk 16:27, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually we need someone who can read Hebrew. Doug Weller  talk 16:27, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * See the draft, Doug--there's a bit more to be culled from JSTOR, I think, though a comprehensive biography is greatly desired. Drmies (talk) 16:37, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * There is nothing substantial in Hebrew sources and I added what seemed to be relevant.--Shrike (talk) 18:24, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * After rereading the sources there is some interesting information that can be added maybe for GA.--Shrike (talk) 18:31, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Original research at the Camp Douglas article & addition of text contradicted by the source

 * At Camp Douglas (Chicago) page - I was attempting to address the absurdity of comparing the northern prison Camp Douglas with other northern prisoner of war camps that were not similarly situated such as Johnson's Island (for wealthy officers already established with the intention of being a much more comfortable prison) or the Baltimore, Maryland prisoner of war camp for local secessionist millionaire politicians held in their own home town. This has seemingly been omitted and everything leading up to that propaganda style comparison has now been removed by someone else. I have not read the whole page again but seems all is well there at present. The text cited with sources didn’t even mention a comparison yet the endnote began discussing comparisons with other prison camps. Am I to understand you have to add extra sentences or paragraphs to the original existing text to counter a falsity added to an endnote? Are we to add an extra sentence to an endnote (with a source in that same endnote) countering such a comparison with sources, when the text cited didn’t even mention a comparison?

Rjr1960 (talk) 21:04, 13 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't know what an endnote is, unless you mean the reference which the editor who added it fixed. There's no point in discussing that now. You can't add your own commentary, but sources meeting WP:RS that discuss the subject of the article but give a different viewpoint can be usually be added. Note that the editor who just edited is the editor who originally added what you are calling an endnote. They're the same person. Any more discussion about this article should go on its talk page. Doug Weller  talk 12:32, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * In a book a footnote and endnote are the same thing depending upon whether it is at the "foot" of a page or is listed together with all sources at the "end" of the entire book. You may be correct this should be called a footnote since the page itself can go on and on and the list of sources still be at the "foot" of that page.

In some of these Wikipedia articles there are facts stated but the source given (in a footnote) actually does not back up the stated fact. Unless I learn of a more acceptable way of correcting this incorrect statement of history, I will simply delete the wording and the footnote (if the footnote no longer has any statement to back up) and explain that someone should come up with a source that backs that statement.

If there is a false statement of fact that has a footnote (with that source actually saying that), yet there are many other sources that say this is not correct, I will add language to point out some could conclude that statement by that author is not correct, with sources.

I'll also try to give fair warning or heads up I am considering changing a statement (with sources) for discussion at that article talk page. I am still learning how to do that.

Thank you for your assistance. Rjr1960 (talk) 22:21, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

About the alert!

 * talk, First of all may I know what's your position; second, why do you start from the language I have used, when that is a symmetrical response to the same language used by him (who calls himself, administrator?!); third, the term the revert is coming is the response to his double revert of the page. I didn't revert any version. I did only changes, that I consider improvements. I gave explanations about my changes and he is telling me that I haven't, furthermore he is threatening me; fourth, it is not clear to me what do I have to do, because the info that is already published is partially wrong and unsourced!Verginia&#39;s star (talk) 19:14, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Although anyone can add the alert, I can enforce it. Like User:Drmies I'm an WP:Administrator, and we were both on the elected WP:Arbitration Committee that set the sanctions. I still am. And we are very experienced editors. I've explained how you need to change your behavior.  Doug Weller  talk 19:27, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for responding; what about Dermies?; so, you are enforcing sanctions against editors who contribute on Wikipedia, for inappropriate behaviour. I would like to know, what kind of sanctions have you applied to the administrator for the same issue, and moreover for being the one who started. thx.Verginia&#39;s star (talk) 19:45, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I see no reason to take action against User:Drmies as he's shown no evidence of any behaviour violating our sanctions regime for Balkan related articles. Doug Weller  talk 20:13, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

So, my behaviour has violated your sanctions regime for Balkan related articles?Verginia&#39;s star (talk) 20:21, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * It has. It's also violated some other things but I'm ignoring that. You can't be sanctioned without an alert first and then only for actions after the alert. Doug Weller  talk 20:24, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * It's not clear to me; I would like to know specifically how did I violated the regime.Verginia&#39;s star (talk) 20:29, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Verginia&#39;s star, an example from last month. Directly violated WP:MOSMAC. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 20:44, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Verginia&#39;s star, Doug Weller has already explained that in exhaustive detail on your own page, here. It's time you stopped pestering him. Bishonen &#124; talk 20:47, 14 May 2018 (UTC).
 * Oh dear--thank you Neil. I'm not surprised. Of course Verginia's star knows that names and languages have enormous importance, symbolic and real, in such nationalist disputes--if not, they wouldn't have made (unproven) claims about the Internet having fallen victim to Romanian propaganda. Drmies (talk) 20:48, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * That was my first intervention on Wikipedia. I didn't know about the regime and I didn't repeat it. So you are telling me that the alert is due to the edit that I have done one month ago?!.. According to Doug Weller the reason for the alert is my improper behaviour against Dermies. I asked him twice and I'm waiting the response about the sanction applied to Dermies for his improper behaviour. Remember he is an administrator! Verginia&#39;s star (talk) 21:08, 14 May 2018 (UTC) the text is addressed to Bishonen and Doug!Verginia&#39;s star (talk) 21:10, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Verginia&#39;s star, the alert was to notify that you are editing in a contentious area and to conduct yourself accordingly. And is pretty much on the ball here. All content needs to be sourced, especially if contentious. "in 99% of the cases where editors make changes without evidence and then claim "racism" or "propaganda" or what not, it's complete bullshit" is also very accurate. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 21:21, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm waiting the response about the sanction applied to Dermies for his abusie behaviour, and threatening, and not about the regime!Verginia&#39;s star (talk) 21:36, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I will not discus the issue again from the beginning with all administrators! You think that I'm naïve... you applied the sanction to me for a single violation done by mistake, more than one month ago?! The alert was raised today by Dermie, because he likes to flexes his muscles!
 * Verginia&#39;s star, no sanctions have been applied to you. You've been made aware that sanctions could be levied (Drmies is already aware). You should drop this now before I or another admin decide to block you for disruptive and battleground editing. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 21:41, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * you didn't answer to my question!Verginia&#39;s star (talk) 21:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Blocked. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 21:55, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Ugh. And all of that so easily avoided by reading up and seeking the talk page. Thank you Neil. Drmies (talk) 23:07, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Truth vs agenda
Doug,

At this point we might as well ask for page protection for BCE as I can post truth and put in citations all i want but clearly those w/ an agenda are bent on putting in opinions.

Is BCE widely used - no. What is CE / BCE based upon? - The time frames involving Jesus. Now I realize that the PC culture would love nothing more than to erase this but fact is fact. The rest of the article in fact confirms this and it does the reader little benefit to ignore this. I've provided citations numerous times only to have them deleted. I'm not a wikipedia expert but I've ran across those w/ agendas a few times in my years here. I once even had to argue w/ admins over a plant that can kill you if eaten green (but not yellow) b/c duffus mcgoos were hell bent on keeping fictitious info on the board. In the end, if it comes down to it, I'll move on as its really not a huge deal and I have a life. If Wikipedia wants to keep up false info well its Wikipedia house so they can rule it as they see fit. Best of luck. SGT-Craig (talk) 03:01, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking over your talk page history and at the history for the Podophyllum article, the problem was that you plagiarized from a source, not other users' "agendas." Maybe if you tried paying attention to what others actually say, instead of just crying about "agendas" while completely ignoring the possibility that maybe you don't know what you're doing, you'd have more fun here. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:23, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ian, not worried about it random person. The point is helping people and protecting them. I cited information. They removed it. Big deal. I provided the citation and reworded it. Too easy. Same situation on BCE. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view comes to mind. SGT-Craig (talk) 03:40, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:IP block exemption
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:IP block exemption. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Scythians: Please comment
We want to rewrite the lead section. Would you please participate and comment here? Talk:Scythians Thanks. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:06, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

== Thank you, Doug, for all your explanations to me. I spent a lot of time editing his brief contents without destroying all the hyperlinks, etc. because I'm not at all computer literate. What I edited was all Dr. Volpe's original text, written him. ==

Thank you, Doug, for all your explanations to me. I spent a lot of time editing his brief contents without destroying all the hyperlinks, etc. because I'm not at all computer literate. What I edited was all Dr. Volpe's original text, written him.

Are you able to send the deleted text back to me please. I don't want to have to go through editing his section again unless I can just copy and paste.

is there no way I can edit his profile on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.174.21.2 (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

BCE
So Doug,, when I provide references that prove my point concerning BCE and the other side simply deletes them w/o providing references what then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SGT-Craig (talk • contribs) 17:49, 18 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Settle it on the talk page, and find academic sources. Doug Weller  talk 17:54, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Nellie Bowles
Could you throw up some quick semi-protection on this article? It's being attacked by IPs with garbage sourcing (The Blaze/Daily Wire). NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 14:42, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Nellie Bowles page
The correction in her New York Times article was a well-covered issue. Those sentences also use the direct quote from the correction. It can't be wikipedia policy that even notes made in the subject's own article is off-limits because an editor is concerned that it might somehow impugn on her own views of the author. Please edit in. Those satisfy all wikipedia policies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.207.62.209 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * , the IP who made those edits is a webhost, just FYI. -★- PlyrStar93  → Message me. ← 14:51, 19 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Do you think it's a sock? Doug Weller  talk 15:00, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Definitely possible, just didn't figure out who it is. See the previous IP's editing the page and got blocked - 2604:2000:8247:1D00:0:0:0:0/65, 68.173.122.81. These two are likely not proxies, and they should be the same person as they're located in New York area using Time Warner Cable. -★- PlyrStar93  → Message me. ← 15:06, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

User:Groar!
You blocked User:Gburdi, and this editor is an obvious sock. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:48, 19 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I need to look again at behavior, but technically they are very different. Doug Weller  talk 14:37, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Groar! left an edit summary in first-person as George Burdi. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:08, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I saw that, but I don't know if GBurdi is Burdi. I blocked a username JaydaFransen but I wasn't at al sure it was the real Fransen. Doug Weller  talk 19:17, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:41, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You are making a baseless accusation. I had quoted George Burdi from the interview, not referred to myself as him. Did you fail to notice the quotes in the edit? Groar! (talk)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Days of the year
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Sockpuppet edits
Hello. Can you please review Deportation and enslavement of Yaqui under the Porfiriato, Massacre of Yaqui under the Porfiriato, and Deportation of Yaqui under the Porfiriato? I noticed you have already deleted Porfiriato massacre against the Yaqui. --Omnipaedista (talk) 15:05, 20 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Done. I wasted far too much time on Morrister, eg checking sources, etc, I'm pretty pissed. Doug Weller  talk 15:10, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Historicy of jesus edit
I noticed the page claimed that virtually all historians accept the existence of jesus as fact. But the last time I visited the page (about a year ago) it rightly did not say that. In the meantime I had a discussion with someone about the historicity of jesus and I pointed out that while there might be consensus among biblical scholars I'd rather listen to historians for having a more unbiased opinion on the matter. This person or someone who read the discussion must've changed the page since then without providing proper sources. The people involed with this page did not raise a flag however, for reasons unknown, that's why I reverted that change now. Fact is that the life of jesus is mostly not even discussed while studying middle eastern history because the lack of historical evidence. My sources for this are classes that I took on the university of Amsterdam and colleagues of mine who have an academical degree in history. There is a consensus among biblical scholars however, but that doesn't really mean anything because most of them are religious anyways and I worry about their objectivity on the matter. It might not be shocking that most of the sources on the wikipedia page are quotes of people saying jesus existed because other people said he existed. We all know the historical documents that are being used to confirm his existence. Biblical scholars see more in these documents than they actually prove, and historians just mostly dismiss them to avoid inaccuracies. So please leave the to saying that there's a consensus among biblical scholars, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuririn45 (talk • contribs) 16:13, 20 May 2018 (UTC)


 * You need to put this on the article's talk page, and use edit summaries as I explained. Doug Weller  talk 16:14, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Checking with you
I saw the ping you sent me from the 3RRN discussion. I'm pretty sure that I understand what was going on there (you pointing out the inconsistency of warning one editor without warning me, in the sense that the warning to the other editor was POV-motivated), but I want to check with you about whether you felt that I had done anything wrong, myself. I have understood my first edit,, as being the introduction of new language, but not as being a revert, and my subsequent edit, , as being one revert (a revert for which, of course, you sent me a "thanks"). I'd like to know if you think that I was wrong in any of that. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:04, 20 May 2018 (UTC)


 * yes, sorry, just one revert but that doesn't matter so far as the point I was making. But it was careless of me. I was the only one in the wrong! 18:40, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #313
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -webkit-column-width: 400px; -moz-column-width: 400px; column-width: 400px;">
 * Discussions
 * Open request for adminship: Addshore, Pintoch
 * New request for comments: How to manage software versions, Improving Wikidata documentation for different types of user
 * Closed request for comments: Privacy and Living People


 * Events
 * Past: Europeana Tech Conference (including a lot of Wikidata workshops and discussions)
 * Past:Wikimedia Hackathon 2018, 18-20 May in Barcelona
 * Check the hashtag #wmhack on Twitter to see what has been worked on regarding Wikidata
 * List of the projects that have been demoed during the showcase
 * Next Wikidata IRC office hour: May 29th at 18:00 (UTC+2, Berlin time) on the channel #wikimedia-office


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * A look back at the first Federated-Wikibase-Workshop
 * Martin Poulter gave a TEDxBathUniversity talk about Wikidata
 * The Joint Roadmap for Open Science Tools (JROST) has been launched; Wikidata is represented by the Wikimedia Foundation
 * "Translating a blog post into structured data" Martin Poulter, the Bodleian Digital Library blog


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * A bunch of new constraint types were recently added
 * A Request for comments on improving Wikidata documentation for different types of user
 * We have deprecated units used for this property (P2237). Please update any tool which uses this property to use the new API before it gets deleted.
 * EditGroups is a new tool that lets you review, discuss and revert entire edit groups made by various tools.
 * PictureThis! Is a new tool integrated to WikiShootMe! that allows you to choose an item and upload a picture of it


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: IGAC rating, KAVI rating, established from medical condition, vehicles per capita (1000), applies to name, Wikipedia glossary entry
 * External identifiers: Chinese Political Elites Database ID, amateur radio callsign, Bugs! album ID, Bugs! artist ID, Cinema Project (Israel) ID, Dictionary of Swedish Translators ID, e-MEC entry, Ester ID, Israel Film Fund ID, KKBOX album ID, KKBOX artist ID, Norwegian war sailor register ship-ID, OnsOranje match ID, OnsOranje player ID, The New Fund for Cinema and Television (Israel) ID, Thesaurus For Graphic Materials ID, Trustpilot company ID, OnsOranje tournament ID, Odnoklassniki profile ID, Flanders Arts Institute organisation ID, Norsk pop- og rockleksikon ID, Norwegian historical lexicon ID, Norwegian fjord catalog ID, Rockipedia album ID, Rockipedia artist ID, Rockipedia area ID, Rockipedia label ID, Univ-droit jurist ID, KIT Linked Open Numbers ID, Victorian Heritage Register ID, FloraCatalana ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: animal water well, World Rugby Ranking, Schulsprengel, dedicated object, conjugation class, word stem, visible by means of, Production website, software version of, Japanese pitch accent, reading pattern of kanji, has conjugation class, stroke count, radical, grade of kanji, Party coalition, Naturdenkmal ID, ISO 3950 code, software version, software developer
 * External identifiers: Eurohockey.com club ID, Namuwiki, Daum Encyclopedia, Melon song ID, Sistema de Información Cultural, African Studies Thesaurus ID, nwhl.zone player ID, YouPorn ID, Pornhub ID, NWSL player ID, eBird hotspot ID, British Library system number, Flickr tag, Sveriges Dödbok, BAG Openbare ruimte ID, BAG Pand ID, SpectraBase Compound ID, Carnegie Hall event ID, Carnegie Hall work ID, Armenian National Academy of Sciences ID, Armenian Cinema ID, Armenian Parliamentary ID, National Gallery of Armenia work ID, Spyur ID, OlimpBase Women's Chess Olympiad player ID, GONIAT author ID, GONIAT taxon ID, GONIAT paper ID, GONIAT place ID


 * Dormant properties created >3 months:
 * USA Rugby player ID (P4778), MYmovies name ID (P4785), CiNii author ID (articles) (P4787), Who's Who UK ID (P4789), uses data storage type (P4788), Basketball-Reference.com NBL player ID (P4796), Basketball-Reference.com referee ID (P4795), PARES ID (P4813), BWSA ID (P4811), LoC and MARC vocabularies ID (P4801)
 * Query examples:
 * [https://query.wikidata.org/#%23%20Most%20populous%20first-level%20country%20subdivisions%20without%20legislatures%20%0A%23%20from%20%5B%5Bd%3AProperty_talk%3AP194%23Most_populous_first-level_subdivisions_without_legislature%5D%5D%0A%23%20Based%20on%20%22Largest%20first-level%20country%20subdivisions%22%20at%20https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FPoulpyWP%2Fstatus%2F994669235296133129%0A%0ASELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3FcountryLabel%20%3Farea%20%3Fpopulation%20%0AWHERE%0A%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%2Fwdt%3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ10864048%20%3B%20%23%20first-level%20subdivision%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP17%20%3Fcountry%20%3B%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%23%20country%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20p%3AP2046%2Fpsv%3AP2046%20%5B%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%23%20area%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AquantityAmount%20%3FbaseArea%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AquantityUnit%20%5B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20p%3AP2370%2Fpsv%3AP2370%20%5B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AquantityAmount%20%3FunitArea%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AquantityUnit%20wd%3AQ25343%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%5D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%5D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%5D%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP1082%20%3Fpopulation%20.%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%23%20population%0A%0A%20%20BIND%28ROUND%28%3FbaseArea%20%2a%20%3FunitArea%20%2F%201000000%29%20AS%20%3Farea%29%20.%0A%0A%20%20FILTER%20NOT%20EXISTS%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP194%20%5B%5D%20%7D%20%20%23%20without%20legislature%0A%20%20FILTER%20NOT%20EXISTS%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP576%20%5B%5D%20%7D%20%20%20%20%23%20filter%20dissolved%20subdivisions%0A%20%20FILTER%20NOT%20EXISTS%20%7B%20%3Fcountry%20wdt%3AP576%20%5B%5D%20%7D%20%23%20filter%20dissolved%20countries%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC%28%3Fpopulation%29%0ALIMIT%20500 Most populous first-level country subdivisions without legislatures] (source)
 * Prisoners of Conscience by place of birth (source)
 * Photos of railway stations from Latvia and Estonia (source)
 * Map of items near me that have a label in Catalan but not in French (source)
 * Places of residence of accused Scottish witches (source)
 * Poets whose fathers were lawyers (source)
 * Newest WikiProjects: Sustainable Development, Wikipedia Sources
 * Newest database reports: list of English Wikipedia outline articles, US states

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.
 * Development
 * Hackathon!
 * Work on adding “integer” constraint (T167989)
 * Fix a bug expanding the references with a constraint violation (T193669)
 * Add a "mis" code language to enable uncoded languages in Wikibase Lexeme (T194754)
 * Improve the different language fields in the interface of editing a Lexeme (T191504)
 * Finish work to edit Forms via the web API (T190906)
 * Include special Lexeme IDs (T187060)


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 06:57, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Valid reasons for switching from BC to BCE?
Hello Doug. I had an encounter with this user who, along with another account of the same user, converts BC to BCE in certain pages. When I liked to the user the WP:ERA guideline, the user replied that if the page has nothing to do with Christianity then anyone could change the era style to BCE at will. Is that true? It is true that most page converted by the user has nothing to do with Christianity, yet I don't think this can be reason enough. Now the user asked permission to change BC to BCE on Seleucus I Nicator. Khruner (talk) 17:16, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


 * No of course it isn't right. I'll post, but who's the other account? Doug Weller  talk 17:39, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I believe User talk:Stavinbc is clearly a WP:duck, as for his few contributions. Khruner (talk) 17:45, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. Ask him which account he wishes to use. I'm going to be watching tv! I'll sort it tomorrow. Doug Weller  talk 17:56, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Appealing a block
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Brychan
I left Koch because it supports the fact that Brychan was the son of Anlach and Marcell, but I would have thought the National Library of Wales was a better source. Mannanan51 (talk) 16:23, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I really don't know, but when I look at a sentence and it has material that isn't in the source, I worry. Perhaps you can fix it. Doug Weller  talk 16:25, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Zomi Nationalism
Why did you revert this? Was it because I didn't title my edits correctly? Okay, if so fine, but the reverted article is literally unintelligible, there may as well be no article at all because all it does is leave you with more questions. Just let me know so I can fix it again. Lr9074 (talk) 01:51, 24 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Various reasons. You added some unsourced material, including a quote. The templates weren't correct and apologies, but it was still confusing. I edited it bit after reverting you and someone did more after I finished. I think it's in better shape now. By the way, new talk page comments should go at the bottom of the talk page. Doug Weller  talk 14:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 May 2018
<div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:18, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Rakhigarhi
This is regarding reverted changes on the 'Discovery Section' of the Rakhigarhi page. I understand your point for the below paragraph and we can keep that content out of the Rakhigarhi page for now.

"Investigation done so far has revealed that there is no steppe contribution to the DNA of Harappan People. Analysis also indicates that the DNA of Indus Valley people has contributions from Near Eastern Iranian farmers and Indian hunter gatherers whose DNA is still reflected in people of the Andaman Islands. These findings also refute the theory of migration of Indo-Europeans from south Asia."

At the same time, below paragraph should be a valid addition to the article even now because the news is based on a research paper already published. I am giving a link below.

"So far 53 burial sites with 46 skeletons have been discovered. Anthropological examination done on 37 skeletons revealed 17 to be of adults, 8 to be of sub adults while age of 12 skeletons could not be verified. Sex detection of 17 skeletons was successful out of which 7 were Male and 10 Female skeletons. Most of the burials were typical burials with skeletons in supine position. Atypical burials had skeletons in prone position. Some graves are just pits while some are brick lined with lots of pottery in it. Some of them also had votive pots with Animal remains symbolizing offerings to the dead. Bone remains of secondary burials were not charred hence ruling out possibility of cremation practices. While these burials retained many of the Harappan features, group burials and prone position burials are distinct. Paleo-parasitical studies and DNA analysis to determine the lineage is being undertaken."

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0192299

Do let me know your thoughts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rushikesh.tilak (talk • contribs) 05:31, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

SDA Theology
Doug, I've just left a message for you at Talk:Seventh-day_Adventist_theology. Tonicthebrown (talk) 14:32, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Good faith
When it is rational to assume good faith of course I assume good faith. When it is rational to assume ill faith of course I assume ill faith. The fact that most contributors show good faith does not contradict in any way the fact that many contributors show ill faith. I demonstrate my own good faith by being rational. If you ask me to lie on Wikipedia, then you must tell me this clearly, directly and publicly. If you don't, then you have to show that I assumed ill faith with no good reasons. There is not a single statement in that answer which does not employ hard diversionist tactics, and the page itself should have put somebody in trouble with justice for libel. So please explain your position. Doru001 (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Advice...
Talk-page stalkers welcome also. Take a look at Talk:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland and it's associated article page. I tried earlier today to get the disputants discussing rather than reverting but after some promising discussion, we're back to the reverting and talking past each other. My instinct is to lock the page for a week or so (because quite honestly, I can't make heads or tails of the rules on 1RR for Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe), but am worried that I might seem to be involved because I opined at WP:RSN on a semi-related topic as well as my editing on The Holocaust. Frankly, this is a bigger cess-pit than the current German-World War II topic at ArbCom. I have to head out to run some errands, but I'd like for this area of the wiki to not turn into the mess that is India-Pakistan or Israel-Palestine. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:29, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)
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If you have something to say...
…say it --Koppadasao (talk) 10:00, 27 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Talk pages aren't forums. Doug Weller  talk 10:02, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * And you use the word "lynching" far too lightly. I still shudder at the real lynchings that occurred in the American South when I was young. Doug Weller  talk 10:04, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Then you should check out the sources, Rebel Media. It is clearly indicated in their video report on the case that the word lynching is appropriate, especially when compared to previous videos about Tommy Robinson’s previous experiences with the UK prisons. --Koppadasao (talk) 10:09, 27 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Rebel Media? I'd rather read the Onion, at least it's funny. Doug Weller  talk 10:55, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The Onion isn’t a reliable source. In fact it’s more of a fake news site than a real news site.--Koppadasao (talk) 11:14, 27 May 2018 (UTC)


 * You really missed my point? The main difference is that I can trust the Onion to be funny but not to pretend it's accurate. Doug Weller  talk 11:48, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Please stop vandalizing my talk page
If you have something to say, then say it. If you want further discussion, please reply on my talk page. --Koppadasao (talk) 11:56, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Warning messages aren't vandalism. You probably want to read WP:VANDNOT (and the rest of the page too, for that matter). Your editing experience would go a lot better if you'd read the messages Doug is leaving, they are designed to keep you from being blocked. Ealdgyth - Talk 11:58, 27 May 2018 (UTC)


 * see his edit summaries as he reverts me. Thay aren't going to help him. Doug Weller  talk 12:19, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * yeah, I didn’t give it a great chance, but...AGF and all that...Ealdgyth - Talk 12:27, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Lies
Hogg stated that he was at home at the time of the shooting. Lies are against the rules, which you should follow. OMEGAUNIT (talk) 12:52, 24 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Then stop telling them. Hogg was at school, he went home after the shooting and later returned. Some websites made the claim you're making but later retracted it. Doug Weller  talk 13:06, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

It wasnt a claim made by websites it's was on TV with him saying it. If you lived in the U.S. you would have seen that news broadcast. I am being honest it seems based off of your history you have a habit of stretching truth. OMEGAUNIT (talk) 18:46, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

You can go to YouTube and see him say it. youtu.be/2j7HeF16704 OMEGAUNIT (talk) 18:53, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

So yeah I will trust what he said and not some news article. He wasn't at school that day. OMEGAUNIT (talk) 18:54, 28 May 2018 (UTC)


 * He did not say he wasn't at the school. That's a 17 second excerpt from an interview without the proper context. RedState is a conservative news site and originally reported your claim. The author of the report, Sarah Rumpf, later got the entire newsclip and transcript and realised that CBS had left out the context, which is that he did this at 6pm, after school. See her original story (with strike-throughs)and [https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2018/03/28/mistake.-wrong.-im-sorry./ her apology. If you don't believe her statement that he was definitely at school, then nothing's going to convince you, even though the clip clearly does not have him saying he wasn't at school that day. I have no idea why you think it does. Please be sure you read all her tweets in the second link. Doug Weller  talk 19:32, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

You removed information.
The House of Kohtala is still a claimant to the Finnish thorne. Whether it was an abortive attempt or not is irrelevant.They are not widely known outside of the country because it is so small and young nation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greekroyals (talk • contribs) 03:27, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Franciscans
This entry is not understandable by a normal person. Way too in the weeds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.26.107.153 (talk) 05:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Regarding rude & subjective opinions in removing content
Hi, Many sections in the 'Tamil language' page do not even have one source. But for my single edit to the 'Consonants' section, I now had to add 5 credible sources, including the source from the 1891 book 'Thonnool Vilakkam' written by Beschi (Veeramamunivar) himself, where he clearly describes adding the tittle and making changes to the way long Tamil vowels were written.(And the Tamil wikipage about Veeramamunivar where all these contributions are already mentioned.)

Now there is a separate thread running about the sources mentioned in the page 'Constantine Beschi', https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Constanzo_Beschi#Dubious posted by user Sitush with hashtag 'dubious'????!!!! He says 'The Catholic Encyclopaedia is over 100 years old and is known to be unreliable in many respects.' - That doesn't make all its content unreliable. He says 'We only very rarely allow sources from the Raj era in India-related stuff.' - What sort of a criteria is this and who makes such biased decisions on Wikipedia? This is clearly biased opinion against works of British authors, when clearly most of the archaeological discoveries in India were done by British archaeologists, who helped preserve it for posterity. 'The Tamilnation website has a somewhat chequered history on Wikipedia.' - Again biased opinion. 'and surely if this chap is as notable as is made out in our article' - He refers to Beschi as 'this chap', clearly indicating complete ignorance about this esteemed Tamil scholar and his works. And this user is qualifying credible sources giving correct information as 'dubious'????

And now to appease the content removers, I've had to give 5 sources for one edit. This is almost a harassment. And seems to be a part of the devious attempts in today's India to re-write history and whitewash all positive contributions to Indian history by Dalits and minorities. --Ophelia S (talk) 11:08, 29 May 2018 (UTC)


 * a part of the devious attempts in today's India to re-write history and whitewash all positive contributions to Indian history by Dalits and minorities - please read WP:RGW. - Sitush (talk) 11:12, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Regarding additions made to 'Tamil language' page and user 'SpacemanSpiff's remarks:
SpacemanSpiff says "As before, removed well-sourced text, added badly sourced text, not a minor edit, and what does "tittle" mean as an edit summary?"

"removed well-sourced text" - No text was REMOVED. The heading 'Legend' was MOVED before 'Etymology'.

"added badly sourced text" - The addition about tittle usage in Tamil has been sourced from Ananda Vikatan magazine, a well-respected Tamil language magazine in circulation for 92 years, and it is the magazine with the second largest circulation in India (Source - Indian Readership Survey 2017) The page in question 'Tamil Language' has sources from websites like indianmalaysian.com, thenews.com.pk, The Hindu newspaper ('Rudimentary Tamil-Brahmi script' unearthed at Adichanallur, "Palani excavation triggers fresh debate", The Hindu, Chennai, India), etc. In which case, Ananda Vikatan can be well accepted as a credible source, as they do not publish lies about respected Tamil scholars and the Tamil language.

"not a minor edit" - It is a minor edit to the 'Consonants' section.

Hence, I am adding the edit again. As new information throws more light on the Tamil language, it needs to be reflected on Wikipedia too. Thank you. --Ophelia S (talk) 09:29, 29 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Tamil language is a Featured Article. That means the Wikipedia community has decided at some point in the past that it is an exceptional example of work on Wikipedia. It remains so unless and until a community review determines otherwise. The nature of FAs means that a certain amount of stability is desirable in order to ensure that its outstanding merits are not compromised by ill-judged changes. Of course, all articles can be improved and new theories etc can emerge, thus requiring an article to be amended. However, when an article is considered to be of Featured quality it is usually best to discuss any changes on its talk page and obtain consensus for making them. - Sitush (talk) 11:23, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #314
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -webkit-column-width: 400px; -moz-column-width: 400px; column-width: 400px;">
 * Discussions
 * Closed request for adminship: Pintoch, Addshore (both successful)
 * New request for comments: Why do we have an item for dogs and another one for Canis lupus familiaris?


 * Events
 * IRC office hour, on May 29th at 18:00 (UTC+2, Berlin time), on the IRC channel #wikimedia-office. Special topic: Lexemes on Wikidata


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * Paper on Cellosaurus, with mappings to Wikidata, by Amos Bairoch
 * Blog post from Galder Gonzalez announcing the Lexemes (in Basque)


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Ongoing: On 24 May, there was a significant outage affecting Wikidata and sister projects that use Wikidata. As a result, some features of are temporarily disabled: Wikidata's property suggester, Lua modules and parser functions calling by label instead of ID, search for the ArticlePlaceholder. We apologize for the inconvenience, we're working to get them back as soon as possible. For technical details, see: T195520 & Incident documentation/20180524-wikidata.
 * As announced last week, the “integer” constraint type and the “separators” parameter for the “single value” and “single best value” constraint types are now supported in WikibaseQualityConstraints.
 * Lexicographical data is now available on Wikidata! Check the announcement for more details. Feel free to try adding words and give feedback
 * Structured Data on Commons has designs for displaying and using multilingual captions on the file page. Feedback is welcome on the talk page.
 * You can try the new Drag&Drop gadget developed by Yarl and give feedback
 * The European Commission announces a review of the Database Directive.
 * OpenRefine 3.0 beta was released. You can get an overview of the new Wikidata-related features with tutorials and videos.
 * TextRazor is a web service which analyses text and identifies the entities and concepts discussed, giving the corresponding Wikidata QIDs.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: grammatical gender, conjugation class, word stem, Sandbox-Lexeme, Sandbox-Form, synonym, derived from, Wikidata property example for lexemes, Wikidata property example for forms, officialized by, Wikidata dataset import page, output method, IMDA rating, adapted by, topographic map, date of commercialization, stroke count, has conjugation class
 * External identifiers: CIVICUS Monitor country entry, Relationship Science organization ID, JMA Seismic Intensity Database ID, Eurohockey.com club ID, Daum Encyclopedia ID, Melon song ID, ASC Leiden Thesaurus ID, British Library system number, eBird hotspot ID, BAG public space ID, BAG building ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: Vocalized form, display technology, compound of, Chromosome number, Vietnamese character reading pattern, fanqie, evokes, homograph lexeme, homograph form, prime factor, classifier, Accomplice, Slavic Alphabet, signum
 * External identifiers: BMRB ID, ICSC ID, Baidu Baike ID, Tree of Life Web Project ID, Argentine biography deputy ID, B.R.A.H.M.S. ID, Chromosome numbers of the flora of Germany database ID, Filmow ID, Cité de la musique ID, Giant Bomb ID, OpenCorporates corporate grouping, Artists in Canada record number, RollDaBeats ID, Songfacts ID, ARWU ID


 * Properties not really used, created >3 months:
 * Inventories of American Painting and Sculpture control number (P4814), Amtrak station code (P4803), make-up artist (P4805), sets environment variable (P4809), Technical Element Score (P4815), Rugby Australia ID (P4799), TORA ID (P4820), Panoptikum identifier (P4818), Cour des comptes magistrate ID (P4821), La Poste personality ID (P4822)
 * Query examples:
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 * Areas of Malaysia states (source)
 * People and the distance between their place of birth and place of death (source)
 * Grammatical cases of languages (source)


 * Development
 * Deployed and activate WikibaseLexeme on wikidata.org so you can now store the first lexicographical data on Wikidata (T191457)
 * Fixing the encoding issues on labels of items linked on Lexemes (T195470, T195359)
 * Fixed an issue that was preventing adding Forms and Lexemes in statements (T195402)
 * Suppressed the browser's autocomplete that covers WikibaseLexeme's suggestion on Special:NewLexeme (T195383, T191526)
 * Worked on a bug about representation overwriting other representation with the same language code (T193636)
 * Changed title of the field of a lemma language to make it less likely for people to add a translation as a second Lemma (T193603)
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 * Fixing issues that happened after dropping an index from the wb_terms table (T194270, T195642, T195611)
 * Made constraint check result appear directly after adding a new statement (T194247)
 * Working on looking up entities by external identifiers on Special:Search (T99899)
 * Added Docker image to Wikibase website (T189936)
 * Added WikibaseImport script to Docker images to make it easier for people to start their own Wikibase install with some data imported from Wikidata (T192080)

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Thanks.
Yep, an actual typo. 58.110.170.207 (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Nudge.
--JustBerry (talk) 09:21, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * A time stamp would be nice, but I can't complain! --JustBerry (talk) 09:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * sorry, I hadn't noticed there wasn't one. I've added it. Doug Weller  talk 09:32, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

daily mail
I'm not sure how you missed WP:DAILYMAIL but please don't use it as a source again. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 14:44, 28 May 2018 (UTC)


 * hi there - you are telling me not to use the daily mail as a source ever again - reading that link it doesn't support that position, there are apparently occasaions where is is ok to use - my link was not controversial in any way was it? the details are not in dispute, I don't understand your warning? Also, I added it, it was removed, I didnt edit war at all? Govindaharihari (talk) 14:56, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * As a result, the Daily Mail should not be used for determining notability, nor should it be used as a source in articles. Clearly stated in WP:DAILYMAIL. So, controversial or not, look for better sources. --regentspark (comment) 15:07, 28 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I didn't suggest you were edit-warring. It was meant to be more informational than warning. But of course now I hope you understand not to use it again. Doug Weller  talk 15:47, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It has me amused that the opener of that dailymail discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_220#Daily_Mail_RfC is now a indefinitely blocked puppet master. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hillbillyholiday Govindaharihari (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Entirely irrelevant. In this case he was right, and of course he had only one vote. Doug Weller  talk 18:59, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I will happily disagree with you - the attack on the dailymil on wikipedia was reactionary and undue, we readily use much worse links imo - also, a sockmaster with only one vote, hmmm - no worries, the chat and outcome was one of wiki editors lower moments imo, it was and still is revengeful rather than policy compliant. Regards Govindaharihari (talk) 19:07, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. Legobot (talk) 04:30, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

One more thing...
Creator of Draft:Akira seems intent on reverting prior AFC comments with the intent of getting the article passed with a more lenient reviewer (see page history). Suggestions? --JustBerry (talk) 09:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Surely the editor is the subject of the article? Imakiraa and http://imakiraa.com/akira/ ? http://imakiraa.com just goes to http://imakiraa.com/akira/. Or a fan using her name of course. Doug Weller  talk 10:10, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I've added the autobio welcome message. I don't get involved in reviewing drafts, you might want to ask one of the earlier reviewers, mentioning my comment about an autobiography. She's not trying to hide who she is. Doug Weller  talk 10:20, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, shortly after your auto welcome, which contains the comment "Your user page, however, is a great place to write about yourself", the user inserted the article draft on her userpage. Understandably perhaps. Well, given that she ignored the bothersome second half of your sentence, "making sure to stay within user page guidelines", which is always likely. Bishonen &#124; talk 11:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC).
 * I suppose. Removing feedback that other users have given in an attempt to shop for a reviewer to accept the article is fairly disruptive, particularly when the AFC template instructions say to leave the comments on the draft page for fellow reviewers. Moreover, the user appears to be unwilling to be considerate of that request, repeatedly removing the comments (an implicit revert). Because Robert has also noticed the comment removal, I think following up with the user on their talk page would probably be appropriate. Let's see how it goes. (Please be wary that some of these understandings and interpretations have been derived from my interactions with the user via IRC as well as onwiki.) --JustBerry (talk) 11:16, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Another aspect of the situation that sparked concern is that much of the draft is copyrighted material (yes, copyrighted). Despite trying to remove it, the draft creator decided to reinstate the text. I am working on following up with a message on their talk page with these concerns. --JustBerry (talk) 11:44, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't think you'll see any copyright there now. Of course Bish and I can still see it. :-) I think this is going to lead to a block unless she starts to communicate.  Doug Weller  talk 13:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for addressing the issue and following up. You may already be aware, as you had posted on the draft creator's page not long ago, but I left them an extensive message explaining the situation and offering to continue working with them in a collaborative fashion, while cautioning them of some of the concerns discussed above. --JustBerry (talk) 14:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Or just... --JustBerry (talk) 14:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

@Doug & (because you popped by earlier in the conversation; didn't want to leave you out) In case you see that Draft:Akira gets re-created: Sockpuppet investigations/Imakiraa. --JustBerry (talk) 09:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I've salted it. Bishonen &#124; talk 09:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC).

The Perun editor
is currently active at Shepherd's axe, unless I'm seriously mistaken. -165.234.252.11 (talk) 19:54, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2018). Administrator changes
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 * Following a successful request for comment, administrators are now able to add and remove editors to the "event coordinator" group. Users in the event coordinator group have the ability to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit. Users will no longer need to be in the "account creator" group if they are in the event coordinator group.
 * Following an AN discussion, all pages with content related to blockchain and cryptocurrencies, broadly construed, are now under indefinite general sanctions.

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 * IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in June. This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.
 * The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team will build granular types of blocks in 2018 (e.g. a block from uploading or editing specific pages, categories, or namespaces, as opposed to a full-site block). Feedback on the concept may be left at the talk page.
 * There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups.
 * It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked.

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Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Legobot (talk) 07:20, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Recuse
I disagree with your opinion that you have recently made on the on-going ARCA, due to your involvement with a few editors named in the on-going ARCA concerning India and Pakistan.

You have edited the same articles as them, hence you should recuse. Your heavy participation in Indus Valley Civilisation, which is also edited by Mar4d, Capitals00, D4iNa4, including the talk page, where you were involved as recently as February 2018. 

As far as I know, you were also involved with Raymond3023, D4iNa4, Capitals00, in a content dispute on Bhimbetka rock shelters that is also pretty recent.

--RaviC (talk) 13:57, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I note that you waited until I posted. The time to have asked this was when it opened. Doug Weller  talk 15:03, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Just to be clear, Arbitration/Policy states that "Requests for recusal after a case has entered the voting stage will not be granted, except in extraordinary circumstances." Doug Weller  talk 15:07, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. You can still recuse given that I had asked you before it entered that stage. You haven't voted yet and since you are deeply involved, I recommend you to recuse. RaviC (talk) 15:15, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * None of the parties has asked me to and they've known I'm an Arb. One of the parties has thanked me for my post even though it wasn't favorable to them Doug Weller  talk 15:23, 2 June 2018 (UTC).


 * I should have looked at your links earlier. Frankly I wasn't paying enough attention to your claim, just the way you presented it out of the blue after I posted. Working on the same articles as other editors doesn't create a need to recuse. Particularly, working in cooperation with other editors, and the examples you give show that. The content dispute was with a now blocked editor, Banasura. It's not surprising that I haven't been asked to recuse by anyone involved in the case. And note that there are 10 people involved in the case and we are handling them separately. Of course if my colleagues ask me to recuse I will.  Doug Weller  talk 09:42, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

God never said to Jews: "I promise to give the land (of Canaan) because you are Jews"
I cannot understand your action removing my contribution in Talk:Israel, but just answer these questions: Even though their grandfather and their great grandfathers are Jews, are the Israeli citizens the seeds of Jacob? How can you (or anyone) prove any bloodline linkage from present Jewish family to Jacob? If no one cannot prove Israeli citizens are the seeds of Jacob, how can they make claim to possess the land when God only promised to give the land to seeds of Jacob, not because of their (Jewish) religion? — MusenInvincible (talk) 11:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talk page about your talk page post I removed. I'm not discussing this question anywhere. It's yet another violation of ARBPIA. Doug Weller  talk 13:29, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Forged post
An admin blocked an editor for forging a post from you. I struck the post, but I'm not sure if that's all that is needed. Surely didn't sound like something you'd post. See User_talk:DanielRigal. O3000 (talk) 00:36, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. I think that's enough. Doug Weller  talk 13:46, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Osprey Publishing
This user claimed that Osprey Publishing is not a reliable source (I assume he meant "publisher") for history-related matters. Curious about your opinion. - LouisAragon (talk) 19:49, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Although Farokh and I got along well despite the dispute years ago over using him - which got pretty hairy, I have to agree. See Kaveh Farrokh and Articles for deletion/Kaveh Farrokh. Doug Weller  talk 20:04, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, I should've been more clear. I don't doubt that Farrokh is an unreliable author/source himself (and hence the source was rightfully deleted). I just meant the publisher in general. For example, I recently used a book written by David Nicolle. He has the right credentials (as far as I can see), but his book was published by the same Osprey Publishing. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:13, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * (passing comment). Yes, some of Osprey's publications are by reputable, specialist academics with relevant qualifications; I've used a couple in the past. Others are by amateurs (some more gifted than others); that's usually a much trickier call, but unless a publication has at least some favourable peer review, I tend to avoid it. Haploidavey (talk) 20:27, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree. It depends. Hell, even Simon and Schuster published nonsense. I've usually assumed thatthey are ok. But Michael Tellinger, the discoverer of Adam's Calendar, most of whose books are self-published by Zulu Planet that seems to be owned by Tellinger. has managed to get "Slave Species of the Gods:The Secret History of the Anunnaki and Their Mission on Earth" published by them.. Doug Weller  talk 20:35, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree too, you really need to go by the author's credentials. The slender Osprey books often provide a useful outline of basic facts to help get an article off the ground, but they should not be the main source, and the author should have gotten some professional recognition. Their sins tend to be more of omission or incompleteness due to the brevity of their format.  Acroterion   (talk)   20:39, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * With the exception of one history teacher I knew who collected Osprey stuff for Angus McBride's artwork (admitting he couldn't care less about the writing), I've only encountered Osprey in gaming circles (though that history teacher and I mainly talked about D&D, so...). But I've been given the impression that Osprey is pretty much word of God if you're doing historical gaming. If we had to go for a blanket statement, I'd put them between non-specialist journalism (e.g. Newsweek) and specialist journalism (e.g. National Geographic), unless the author is someone we have an article on that says they're a noted authority on the topic (then I'd count it as an academic work). Ian.thomson (talk) 20:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * As for National Geographic, see this article. It's an interview with Michael E. Smith who says at the end of the interview:

"these data have tremendous potential to contribute to our knowledge of the ancient Maya. They can revise our figures for Maya populations, for their farming systems, their housing and domestic organization, and other topics. But right now, these things exist only as potential results, not as actual findings. So that is the “no” sense of my answer. Right now, with the available information, we have no greater understanding of the Maya. That will have to wait until the hard work gets done. The LiDAR data have to be ground-truthed (checked on the ground), processed by computers and analyzed carefully.

It is significant that these finds are reported by the National Geographic Society, an organization whose interest in publicity and spectacular claims often takes precedence over their interest in solid scientific results. Many public announcements of archaeological findings are based on technical articles published in peer-reviewed journals. That is a sign that there has been a real advance, sanctioned by colleagues and journal editors. The new LiDAR finds have not yet been published in a peer-reviewed journal, because they are still preliminary. Another feature of the hype that comes from an organization like National Geographic Society is that the finds are announced as if they were the first time anyone though to apply LiDAR to the Maya area. But in fact, archaeologists have used LiDAR in other parts of the Maya zone for seven or eight years now."


 * I just found a more detailed article by him.  Doug Weller  talk 20:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok, then I'd just put Osprey on par with journalism in general (barring the author being a recognized authority or notorious non-authority). Ian.thomson (talk) 20:57, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I concur. Thanks everyone for your input. - LouisAragon (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Civility
Hello mr. Weller. Informing me I did something wrong, without specifying the offending comment, is fundamentally incomplete. Please enlighten me. Thank you. --GeeTeeBee (talk) 08:49, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * that's very disappointing as I assumed it would be obvious. Your edit summary, "if you don't dispute that he (co-)authored two books, and don't dispute that these were Amazon best-sellers for a short while, and YET keep insisting, that he is — amongst other things, a jailbird, or career-criminal, for all I care — NOT an author, based on sources, Then I Believe you're practicing Nothing Short of Orwellian Double-Think, All at Once believing that 2 + 2 = 4 AND 2 + 2 = 5 ..." is clearly an uncivil comment about another editor. It also showed lack of good faith. See [[WP:SUMMARYNO. Doug Weller  talk 10:36, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Mostly a misunderstanding. First of all, because you spoke of a comment that was removed, but my edit summary is still visible in the article's history, as part of the edit summary of it's revert – so I (wrongly) assumed you had another comment in mind. Secondly, if you look at the preceding edit history, as well as the ongoing discussion of Robinson's occupation on the talk page (section 'Tanning salon owner') – with multiple editors involved in this point – I had hoped it would be obvious that I was not addressing a particular editor, but simply any involved reader. Thirdly, the comment quotes a well-known aspect of the application of logic, from a generally highly respected work of civilisation. And as much as my experience on WP has taught me, that there are always alternative ways to apply logic, from the viewpoints of other editors, I do not see anything uncivil about this, and I'm baffled that you do... --GeeTeeBee (talk) 11:40, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #315
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -webkit-column-width: 400px; -moz-column-width: 400px; column-width: 400px;">
 * Events
 * Past: Wikidata IRC office hour, May 29th
 * Past: slides of "Wikidata in GLAM, how and why" by Jason Evans during EuropeanaTech conference
 * Figsharefest: "(Personal) use-cases for Figshare in a Wikidata narrative", June 4th, Brussels (slides)


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * Using the Hive Mind: WikiData Integration and Artist Pages on the blog of the National Galleries of Scotland
 * Tools for Wikipedians: Keeping track of what’s going on on Wikidata from Wikipedia by Jens Ohlig (also available in German)
 * Wikidata and Scholia as a hub linking chemical knowledge poster presented at 11th International Conference on Chemical Structures (PDF)
 * A complete video walkthrough to learn how to use OpenRefine: how to match, clean up and import data into Wikidata
 * Lexicographical data: number of existing lemmas per language


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * You can now search for values of a statement in Special:Search (P31, external-ids and strings)
 * You can now use global preferences on most wikis. This means you can set preferences for all wikis at the same time. Before this you had to change them on each individual wiki.
 * Country geoshape data have been added to Commons and linked to the corresponding Wikidata items. These geoshapes can be used to visualise query results e.g. [https://query.wikidata.org/embed.html#%23defaultView%3AMap%7B%22hide%22%3A%5B%22%3Fgeo%22%2C%20%22%3Flayer%22%5D%7D%0ASELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fgeo%20%3FxLabel%20%28SAMPLE%28%3Fx%29%20AS%20%3Fx%29%20%28MAX%28%3Fpopulation%29%20AS%20%3Fpopulation%29%20%28SAMPLE%28%3Flayer%29%20AS%20%3Flayer%29%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fx%20wdt%3AP31%2Fwdt%3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ6256%20%3B%0A%20%20%23%20%20%20wdt%3AP30%20wd%3AQ46%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP3896%20%3Fgeo%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP1082%20%3Fpopulation.%0A%20%20BIND%28%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%20100000%2C%20%22%3C100%2C000%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%20500000%2C%20%22100%2C000-500%2C000%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%201000000%2C%20%22500%2C000-1M%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%202000000%2C%20%221M-2M%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%205000000%2C%20%222M-5M%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%2010000000%2C%20%225M-10M%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%2020000000%2C%20%2210M-20M%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%2040000000%2C%20%2220M-40M%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%2060000000%2C%20%2240M-60M%22%2C%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%2080000000%2C%20%2260M-80M%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%20100000000%2C%20%2280M-100M%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%20200000000%2C%20%22100M-200M%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%20500000000%2C%20%22200M-500M%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3C%201000000000%2C%20%22500M-1B%22%2C%0A%20%20%20%20IF%28%3Fpopulation%20%3E%201000000000%2C%20%221B%2B%22%2C%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%22%22%29%29%29%29%29%29%29%29%29%29%29%29%29%29%29%0A%20%20%20%20AS%20%3Flayer%29.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%0AGROUP%20BY%20%3Fgeo%20%3FxLabel%0AORDER%20BY%20%3Fpopulation%20%20 World map showing population of each country].
 * Concordances: mappings between Wikidata and other knowledge organization systems


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: chromosome count, prime factor, pronunciation variety, compound of
 * External identifiers: ISO 3950 code, National Gallery of Armenia work ID, GONIAT author ID, Armenian National Academy of Sciences ID, Armenian Parliamentary ID, GONIAT paper ID, GONIAT place ID, GONIAT taxon ID, Spyur ID, Armenian Cinema ID, BMRB ID, ICSC ID, Tree of Life Web Project ID, NWSL player ID, Information Center for Israeli Art artwork ID, OlimpBase Women's Chess Olympiad player ID, Argentine biography deputy ID, B.R.A.H.M.S. ID, Carnegie Hall event ID, Carnegie Hall work ID, Chromosome numbers of the Flora of Germany database ID, D&B Hoovers company profile, Filmow ID, SpectraBase Compound ID, Cité de la Musique-Philharmonie de Paris work ID, Artists in Canada record number, RollDaBeats artist ID, Songfacts song ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: grammatical category, IAB code, title number, chữ Nôm, noun, gender inflection, winter view, of, alternative form, lexical category, spelling variant, hyphenation
 * External identifiers: myschool ID, IPTC subject code, Canal-U person ID, FilmTv.it movie ID, FilmTv.it TV series ID, FilmTv.it person ID, Corago ID, Les Enfoirés participant ID, Les Enfoirés song ID, iTunes App Store developer ID, NDOP taxon ID, BirdLife International ID, Relationship Science person ID, Czech Geomorphological Unit Code, Swedish Gravestone ID, OED Online ID, Dordrechts Museum, Finnish national bibliography corporate name ID, SJP Online ID, Contemporary Music Portal ID, Web umenia work ID, Museo Nacional de Artes Visuales Work ID, Cdmc ID, Monarch Disease Ontology ID, Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art ID, Saint Louis Art Museum ID, Strava ID of a professional sport person, StadiumDB identifier, Songfacts artist ID, World Stadium Database identifier, Douban Movie Celebrity ID, Firmenbuchnummer


 * Properties waiting to be used, created >3 months:
 * Program Component Score (P4826), deductions (in figure skating) (P4825), Swimrankings meet ID (P4827), Sailboatdata ID (P4833), World Sailing regatta ID (P4832), Landslagsdatabasen ID (P4830), Irish Rugby Football Union women's player ID (P4836), Wolfram Language entity code (P4839), Directory of Czech publishers ID (P4840), development of anatomical structure (P4843)
 * Query examples:
 * List of Danish female athletes (source)
 * Battles within 100km of Edinburgh (source)
 * [https://query.wikidata.org/#%23defaultView%3AGraph%0ASELECT%20%3Fchild%20%3FchildLabel%20%3Fparent%20%3FparentLabel%20%0AWITH%20%7B%0A%20%20SELECT%20%3Ffeature%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20VALUES%20%3Ffeature%20%7B%20%0A%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1817208%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ2054517%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ102047%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ6581072%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ51929403%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ108709%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ324982%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ21470140%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ47088290%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ51929290%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ18012653%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ47088293%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ501405%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ4348304%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ51929049%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ623734%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ51927507%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ110022%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ54152717%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1230649%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1233197%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ202142%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ53608953%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ16527322%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ53999547%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ131105%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ24577575%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ53997851%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ156986%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ319822%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ192613%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ2105891%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ192997%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ324305%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ2898727%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ146078%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ694268%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ655020%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1775461%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ51929074%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ15737187%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ51929218%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ146786%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ179230%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1923028%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ953129%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ148465%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ47088292%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ51929154%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ21714344%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ52431955%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ10509119%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ51929131%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ5483481%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ53609593%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ2888577%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ24133704%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ54176537%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ51929517%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ604984%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ2114906%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ332734%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ3150154%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ146233%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ282031%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1450795%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ474668%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ110786%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ14169499%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ499327%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ747019%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ145599%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1763348%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ51929369%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1182686%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ3910936%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ950170%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ22716%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ51927539%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ838581%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ442485%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ47088295%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1994301%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ53998049%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ394253%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ11078%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ576271%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ857325%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ185077%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ27918551%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1305037%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1562262%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ281954%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ53997857%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ682111%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1317831%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1392475%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ51929447%0A%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ1775415%0A%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%7D%0A%7D%20AS%20%25features%0AWITH%20%7B%0A%20%20SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%28%3Ffeature%20AS%20%3Fchild%29%20%3Fparent%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20INCLUDE%20%25features%0A%20%20%20%20%3Ffeature%20wdt%3AP279%20%3Fparent%20.%0A%20%20%7D%0A%7D%20AS%20%25results1%0AWITH%20%7B%0A%20%20SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fchild%20%3Fparent%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20INCLUDE%20%25features%0A%20%20%20%20%3Ffeature%20wdt%3AP279%20%3Fchild%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fchild%20wdt%3AP279%20%3Fparent%20.%0A%20%20%7D%0A%7D%20AS%20%25results2%20%20%20%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%7B%20INCLUDE%20%25results1%20%7D%20UNION%20%7B%20INCLUDE%20%25results2%20%7D%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D Grammatical features graph] (source)
 * 10 items having the biggest number of sitelinks (source)
 * Writers and their signatures (source)
 * Newest WikiProjects: Eurovision
 * Newest database reports: verb categories

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.
 * Development
 * The API respond for maxlag will in the future also include the dispach lag (T194950)
 * Add Elastic and CirrusSearch in the Wikibase Docker image (T192813)
 * Add OAuth extension to wikibase bundle container (TT192364)
 * Work on showing constraints in the QueryService (T194762)
 * Make the PropertySuggester use CirrusSearch (T195490)
 * Add integer constraint in the constraint checks (T167989)
 * Add “citation needed” constraint type (T195052)
 * Make Special:EntityData should handle form IDs (T192149)
 * Fix encoding problems for labels displayed in Lexemes (T195359)
 * Improve the text in the grammatical feature field (T193604)
 * Work on showing Lemma on Special:AllPages and other pages (T195382)
 * Work on better handling use of statements linking to Lexemes on client (T195615)
 * Fix a bug that breaks Lexeme when language or lexical category items don't have a label


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 14:57, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

June 2018 Kanbei85
I did not intend to fail to assume good faith. However I would like you to reconsider your statements regarding the Eugenie Scott quote / attack on Dr. Sarfati's work. It is a non-sequitur in the article and does not belong. If you feel the article, without that quote, is not sufficiently clear in showing that Sarfati holds a non-mainstream position, let us add a less inflammatory statement to that effect! Unilaterally quoting Scott, who is known to be an outspoken critic of creationists, as she derides his work, is a very partisan thing to do. --Kanbei85 (talk) 18:06, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

A consensus is not required when there is a violation of NPOV on the bio of a living person. I have not suggested any such thing. The point is that a libelous statement about Dr. Sarfati is being propagated online. It needs to be corrected. Calling Sarfati's work 'propaganda' on his bio page is libel, and it makes no difference that it is being attributed to Eugenie Scott- there is no reason for that statement to be included there in the first place. --Kanbei85 (talk) 19:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

reliability of a source
Hey Doug, How are you?

I just want to ask you if this is a reliable source? Regards Aṭlas (talk) 16:43, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No, see Coffee. We need academic sources mentioning this legend. Doug Weller  talk 16:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, man -Aṭlas (talk) 22:39, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Reliable source?
Rosie Bevan and Peter G M Dale. A Rose By Any Other Name: Another daughter of Richard de Lucy. Foundations (2014) v.6, 13-46. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:53, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Lost in Time: the other daughter of Hamelin de Ballon. Foundations v.3, no.3 (2010) 179-215 --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:56, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Heads-up regarding Rithme4
Looks like a wp:CIR problem. See my message on their talk page. Cheers. - DVdm (talk) 13:48, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Doug, re Chechen Republic
Hi Doug, I just saw your comment on my talkpage. I presume this is relating to the British editor Fae and the American editor Rivertoch being upset that I have requested that we review the reliability of the sources used on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anti-gay_purges_in_Chechnya#Anglocentrism_issue?_Potentially_fake_news? "Anti-gay purges in Chechnya"] article talk as to whether this phenomenon actually exists.

I don't quite understand what Gamergate and gender has to do with questioning the neutrality and reliability of sources used on a potentially fake news story about "gay concentration camps" in the Chechen Republic of the Russian Federation. Could you enlighten me on that?

My qualm with the article is simple. The claims are completely denied by the Russian Federation and is only being pushed by certain segments of the media in countries which can be clearly defined as enemies of the Russian Federation and in active geopolitical confrontation with them (the United States, Britain and the Ukraine). We even mention in the opening "Allegations were initially reported on 1 April 2017 in Novaya Gazeta,[6] a Russian-language opposition newspaper." Another source heavily relied upon "UAWire" is part of the Kyiv Post, a publication which " has supported democracy, Western integration and free markets for Ukraine" (which we neglect to mention in the article for some reason).

Now, both Fae and Rivertoch are unabashed politically-bias activists in favour of LGBT themes, which they are entitled to do in their spare time, but this should not be brought into the Wikipedia mainspace compromising the encyclopedia. To be honest, I am not impressed at all by their fascist attempt to stop anybody even asking on the talkpage of dubious articles that the Anglo-American narrative on affairs be put under scrutiny and that we check the reliability of sources provided in the article, just because it does not chime with their precious personal views. Especially as Wikipedia has explicit policies to uphold a NPOV on international affairs and this is a significant propaganda claim being used to attack one country; the Russian Federation. Claíomh Solais (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * "Fascist attempt"? Drmies (talk) 00:47, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion. Legobot (talk) 04:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Blue note
Hi again. Could you take a look at Blue note? Someone keeps restoring their preferred version of the article (which contains material that was removed after several talk page complaints about its factual accuracy) without any kind of edit summary or attempt at discussion. -165.234.252.11 (talk) 17:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Mount Ararat -- good article?
This article Mount Ararat has been nominated for Good Article status. I'm now in the process of reviewing it. One of the criteria for GA status is that the article is "stable" and maintains neutrality. Issues relating to pro-Armenian bias were raised on the talk page and it's unclear to me whether or not a possible neutrality problem has been resolved, at least on this talk page. There are no banners or flags on the article. One issue mentioned had to do with Ararat's status as a national park and an editor responded with a designation template, but there is no coverage in the article proper. Although it's a generally well-written and informative article, my instinct is that there's still a significant Armenian perspective present. Please advise if the community perceives neutrality to be a significant issue. Thanks.--Jburlinson (talk) 22:40, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Peeta Singh sock farm
Hello Doug Weller, can you please take a look at who are now repeating the  at Punjabi cinema e.g.  and  so is it possible to protect the article temporarily? Thank you <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold;font-size:16px;color:hsl(205, 98%, 55%);">GSS (talk |c|em ) 14:50, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Punjabi cinema semi-protection
GSS said, "Please keep your political view outside Wikipedia." Ha, nonsense. The reality is, Punjabi cinema films are produced, watched, distributed, financially supported and promoted by Punjabi people across the globe. To say, "Punjabi cinema is the Punjabi language film industry in the states of Punjab in India and Pakistan", isn't this excluding the diaspora, not part of the subcontinent but definitely the reason for the successful revival and continuation of Punjabi cinema? 118.5.26.200 (talk) 16:21, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

punjabi cinema
Doug, we know you don't take us seriously because we don't have a home country yet, but come on, we do exist. At least stop allying with the indian agents every time and bullying us. 121.80.177.252 (talk) 16:36, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * And you are? Drmies (talk) 16:37, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Re You are heading for a block/topic ban
Why did you threaten other Wikipedian over an edit summary on the article which is a fact? It is plain that Israel tried to engage war with Iran just because their suspicious claim that Iran would use the nuclear program as a mass weapon destruction to Israel.

Let's consider this: "When a king freed your ancestors from a bondage in a strange land, then you now and your generation (as the descendants) seek to dismantle the kingdom who helped your fathers, Is that the gratitude action to repay the kindness that saved the life of your predecessors?"

I think you behave yourself and do not threaten the other just because cannot understand the context of a statement. — MusenInvincible (talk) 06:02, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

== Please comment on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Enforceability of logged voluntary editing restrictions ==

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Enforceability of logged voluntary editing restrictions. Legobot (talk) 04:31, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Commercialism
Hi Doug Weller, I've spotted what looks like a case of commercial promotion on the Paulo Coelho page. I'm not sure whether this falls within your area of speciality but I'd be grateful if you or whoever is would look at and take appropriate action. Thanks Sweetpool50 (talk) 10:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Left wing v counter protesters
I'm perfectly happy with counter protesters. I was using "left wing" because that's the term the editor Dr. F used in his previous version. Steeletrap (talk) 14:13, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * thanks, but this really should be on your talk page, not here. Doug Weller  talk 14:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #316
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -webkit-column-width: 400px; -moz-column-width: 400px; column-width: 400px;">
 * Events
 * Wikidata workshop in Paris, June 15
 * Wikidata Datathon on June 16 in Zurich
 * Wikibase meetup on June 17-19 in Berlin


 * Press, articles, blog posts
 * Learning to Generate Wikipedia Summaries for Underserved Languages from Wikidata, presented at the Conference of the North American Chapter of the Association for Computational Linguistics by Lucie Kaffee and Hady Elsahar (see the poster and the paper)


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * A proposal for using Wikidata for PeerTube.
 * New constraint type: citation needed constraint
 * Sitelinks can be:
 * added for Bengali Wikivoyage (bnwikivoyage)
 * defined for Piedmontese Wikisource (pmswikisource)
 * completed for Pashto Wikivoyage (pswikivoyage)
 * entered to Sakha Wikiquote (sahwikiquote)
 * A template listing the new Lexicographical properties is available
 * Draft of consultation about creating separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JavaScript
 * Wikidata now appears in the LOD cloud and you can help improving it


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: reading pattern of Han character, medical evacuation to, sports competition competed at, winter view, Slavic Alphabet, grade of kanji, gender inflection of surname, hyphenation, radical, residual stroke count, ground level 360 degree view, Portable Game Notation
 * External identifiers: ARWU university ID, Canal-U person ID, myschool ID, Pornhub ID, Giant Bomb ID, IAB code, Corago opera ID, FilmTv.it movie ID, FilmTv.it person ID, FilmTv.it TV series ID, OpenCorporates corporate grouping, BirdLife International ID, Czech Geomorphological Unit Code, Swedish Gravestone ID, iTunes App Store developer ID, Les Enfoirés participant ID, Les Enfoirés song ID, Czech NDOP taxon ID, Relationship Science person ID, Dordrechts Museum artwork ID, Finnish national bibliography corporate name ID, YouPorn performer ID, MNAV work ID, Web umenia work ID, MonDO ID, Saint Louis Art Museum person ID, CDMC musician ID, Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art person ID, SJP Online ID, OED Online ID, Strava ID of a professional sport person, Douban Movie Celebrity ID, Firmenbuchnummer, Songfacts artist ID, StadiumDB identifier, World Stadium Database identifier


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: permanent resident of, type locality, SPARQL endpoint, property scope, Romanization of Belarusian, factorizsation, Jones polynomial, Alexander polynomial, Conway polynomial, number of videos, Han character in this lexeme, número de etapas, Angular size, Red List status of species, United Kingdom railway station category, reference has role, mathematical concept defining formula, mathematical concept definition, subject facet
 * External identifiers: Redump.org, Church of Norway building ID, Taratata ID, B.R.A.H.M.S. work ID, NRJ ID, Akout ID, Lafonoteca ID, Swedish Academy member, Party Number (Taiwan), DLCM ID, AntWeb, Webb-site person ID, Webb-site organization ID, Companies House officer ID, France Culture ID, Dictionary of Scottish Architects ID, LONSEA people ID, Protected Buildings Register in Finland ID, Protected Buildings Register in Finland Building ID, Kino-teatr.ua film ID, Drouot ID, Kino-teatr.ua person ID, Swedish Signaturer.se, BioStor work ID, César Award film ID, César Award person ID, National Archive of Sweden, Libris-URI, IUF member ID, Museo del Prado artist ID, fernsehserien.de ID, ARMB member ID, OCLC work id


 * Properties awaiting widespread use, created >3 months:
 * research intervention (P4844), International Numbering System number (P4849), BMI Work ID (P4860), Atarimania identifier (P4859), AtariAge identifier (P4857), RFE symbol (P4867), Operabase ID (P4869), GEPRIS person ID (P4872), GEPRIS organization ID (P4871), GEPRIS project ID (P4870)
 * Deleted properties: Property:P2439 ("language"), Property:P2237 ("units used for this property"), Property:P883 ("FIPS 5-2 (code for US states)"), Property:P5190 ("synonym")
 * Query examples:
 * Timeline of discoveries in the Solar System (source)
 * Map of Suffragettes around the world (source)
 * Female ministers in African countries (source)
 * References with only a quote but no other properties (source)
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‎Sources for archaeology and history (Vinča)
The info I added, though interesting, isn’t a major addition to the article so I will not lose time fighting about it. But, this stand on sources is utterly wrong. I understand the basic reasoning behind it, but it is needlessly restrictive. I believe that all available sources should be used. In this particular case, it was an interview with Dragan Janković, an archaeologist and curator of the Belgrade Museum. On the other hand, you have a legion of “books“ by various "Dänikens", with piles of trash and nonsense, and many of them are written by people who have academia degrees. So how is the former (this) source bad in that constellation? When someone finds a book which has the same info, he can replace the reference and that should be the whole story. So, it is wrong because it hampers the spreading of knowledge, as it is available at the moment. This blinding and limiting approach to the subject reminds me of my beginnings on Wikipedia in 2006 when texts were deleted because the source is not in English. So why this prompt, feverish deletionism? Even you used the term "shouldn’t", not "mustn’t", right? Or you were just gentle? :) PajaBG (talk) 16:30, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course I'm gentle. How about going to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Archaeology and ask about sources? Doug Weller  talk 17:11, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


 * The Resources page simply names “useful” sources of information. It’s not forbidding anything, at least on that page. So your use of “shouldn’t” is actually harsher, not gentle. Dogmatic explanation you gave reads “I will ferociously delete it cause you don’t use the sources I so generously allowed you to use on an openly editable encyclopedia” or “only archaeologists are allowed to write on archaeology cause, for the most part, they are the ones who read the proper books and journals”.


 * That actually may be true for the real encyclopedias, but not for Wikipedia because it is not, nor it will ever be a textbook on archaeology. Never. Ever. As long as we laymen are allowed to edit it. So I find the advocated approach arrogant, elitist, narrow-minded and ultimately against the idea of what Wikipedia is. Also, it points to laziness. It easier to delete everything then to actually see what the information is about. By the way, though I am neither a film nor a literary critic, I wrote two articles for Britannica – one about a film director and another about a novelist. After being thoroughly checked by their stuff, they posted them online.


 * I am sure you believe you are doing the right thing, but think about it - in essence, your action is vandalism. You are deleting legitimate and referenced content told by an archaeologist in an interview. Some groups on Wikipedia act like cults. We arranged internally what is the truth and whoever is not with us, he is against us. And even if you voted this “policy” among yourselves, it doesn’t mean much. Just look the people who are leading many nations today and what’s the state of the planet at the moment – people vote badly all the time, even when they are free to vote whatever they like. PajaBG (talk) 12:07, 10 June 2018 (UTC)


 * We are unapologetically elitist when it comes to sources, . Anybody can edit Wikipedia, but we still want our articles to be accurate and well-researched. Newspapers aren't good sources for archaeology because they routinely print things about it that are flat-out wrong. Even an interview with an expert like Janković is dubious because we don't know to what extent the interviewer—who usually knows nothing about archaeology—understood, paraphrased, embellished and/or editorialised their words. I know lots of people who have talked to journalists about their research and found that the end result has little relation to what they actually said. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 12:43, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Elitism referred to the pushed policy on sources, not on any person individually. But the cult thing is confirmed (“we are”). When you say that something is open to edit for everyone, but then limit me that I am only allowed to transcribe things you approve from the books you approve to the articles you are monitoring, do you honestly call that “openly editable”? Yes honey, you can go out and have fun...but only if its once a month, on Thursday, in the club XYZ, not over 20 bucks and, of course, me there next to you. That’s not called going out, that’s autocracy, at least. It is obvious that I am not doing anything wrong (as the used terms are “useful”, “shouldn’t”, etc.) Rules of Wikipedia are not broken and the source I used is not forbidden. Otherwise, it is just a “more Catholic than the Pope” routine. I said that I understand the basic idea behind it, but the resulting policy is needlessly rigid and dogmatic.

I will continue to add interesting data when I find it and if the source is not fancy enough for you guys, too bad – cool down and take it easy. This is the place for dissemination of knowledge and information, and it is intended to be fun, not to waste time of others on nitpicking. Nitpick among yourselves if you are bored. Unapologetic uptight elitist policy on sources doesn't suit the Wikipedia. It feels annoying and pretentious as this is neither just your encyclopedia, nor just your subject, nor just your articles and writing on Wikipedia is not preparation of the doctorate on Harvard. Who is bothered by this so much, to the point that he goes and lazy and rudely deletes what other people do cause it’s not his cup of tea, he should dig into the books and find better sources for the data himself. This source may not be the best in universe, but it is legit. PajaBG (talk) 12:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


 * When User:Joe Roe said "we are", he was talking about the policies and guidelines that we, the editors, have developed over the years. Perhaps you aren't clear the implications of the fact that this is an encyclopedia. We also ask editors to exercise good faith in discussions with other editors. If you are just going to ignore our policies and guidelines, that's unfortunate and suggests contempt for the hard work of many people. Doug Weller  talk 13:00, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Forcing this utterly bad policy bears the markings of some of the main criticism towards Wikipedia (rules inflation, consensus over truth, hive mind – “we”, “our policies”, “many people”). The fact is that this is an encyclopedia open for everyone to edit and some people have problem with that. Having a legit data from the “non-professional” source is not worse than not providing data at all. Actually, this flawed policy seems to be forged out of contempt as this way you ultimately place constructively added content at the same level as, for example, this: “the inhabitants of Vinča originated from the Andromeda galaxy, reaching Earth via the wormhole portal, and their latest descendants are the Kardashians“, referrenced from the National Enquirer. PajaBG (talk) 20:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Re Chuck Missler edits
Hi Doug, I'm not yet familiar enough with all the rules - so my appologies. there are reliable (legal in some cases) sources for most of my additions, so I shall dig them out and repost some of the parts as appropriate.

Thanks Werafa (talk) 12:33, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

edit: mission statement re-added with reference to a government document — Preceding unsigned comment added by Werafa (talk • contribs) 01:09, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Did you know
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Did you know. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

About Cristopher Columbus
It has be en process that Columbus was bien in Ibiza and not in Genoa. The attribution to Genoa comes probably from the wish of the family to those He wish or I fine. I have document at I in I Can send by email. I am Gerardo Byk email  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.53.147.92 (talk) 13:05, 15 June 2018 (UTC)


 * We'll stick with the academic sources. Doug Weller  talk 13:08, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Page protection visibility
Hi Doug, Does "Page protection" include admin oversight? Ps - tightened the variable scope on my revised definition you overturned re codex alimentarius as the latter is definitely subjective, the former is not, codex is Latin for "book" NOT "code". Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.16.88.45 (talk) 20:46, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * You'll see what I've done. Codex is an English word, even if it's based on the Latin caudex, and often means collection of statutes. I don't understand your question. I guess it doesn't related to WP:OVERSIGHT, something I and a handful of other Admins can do. Doug Weller  talk 13:09, 15 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello again,

CodexSinaiticus is a 4th century Greek scripture, arguably the first known bound book, but I digress, I think your decision to remove the reference is probably a wise one regardless as it's clear a precedent should be set for all subjective Latin translations as their obsolescence seems apparent here. You reference to the first known English usage in the 17th century I presume is to illustrate its incorporation into the modern lexicon and not your assertion of its definitive etymology. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.16.77.177 (talk) 18:27, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Revisions concerning previously un-cited statements concerning the dates for the receival and compilation of the Torah.
Hi Doug,

Considering the research and effort I put into the revision of the 'Timeline of religion', specifically in the edits made specifically to the 1450-1250 BC section, could you please provide more detail as to why you removed my changes to the wording and references I provided? Regards,

J — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jh1276 (talk • contribs) 09:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Did you read my WP:Edit summaries? These entries should match their main articles. You didn't provide any references, just links. References would need to be to independent sources meeting WP:RS, in this case academic studies of the dates and authorship. Please read the links I provided on your talk page. We never, for instance, state that a religion's views are correct, eg that Moses wrote the Torah. I'm not editing for a while now, but you can ask as the WP:Teahouse which is for new users. Doug Weller  talk 09:39, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

In accordance with the format of the document of topic, I made further revision to my additions, adding citation as well as more links. Thank you for taking the time to point these out to me. If there are alternative facts, concerning the life of Moses, I would be happy to see them added to my revisions. Since, however, no reliable sources which counter the long held and historically reinforced viewpoint for the timeline of Moses have been presented, I will revert the statement to the structure it was in before its recent update. Please note that, in the citation provided from a reliable source, the dates are discussed. In which case I see no need to leave the word, 'traditional' at the beginning of the sentence, since it does not accord with the format of the rest of the document -- considering that records even older and less supported by archaeological records are presented as fact elsewhere in the document. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jh1276 (talk • contribs) 18:00, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Recent edits
I dont understand why your recent messages to various editors are specifically trying to poison the well against me. It follows a reversion of a harmless copy edit, which you presented to me, on my id page, with a veiled threat. This doesn't seem fair play; have I done one thing to invite such insider plotting. I can stop editing if you like. St. Caurgula (talk) 21:23, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think that was Doug's intention at all, . You've been making some fairly big changes to archaeology-related articles (which is great!), and we usually like to review the edits of new editors just to make sure that nothing is amiss. Doug was just asking and I to help him with that.
 * There are a lot of minor rules and conventions on Wikipedia that we wouldn't expect newcomers to know. Unfortunately that does mean that you might be reverted and get lots of messages on your talk page at first, which I appreciate can get annoying. But please don't think that we don't appreciate your contributions – we do!
 * You might be interested in joining WikiProject Archaeology, a group of us interested in archaeology topics. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 21:46, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Not really after today. The barriers of entry are less than Doug thinks, and ips deserve more credence than to be rounded upon for simple copy-editing a treasured page. I spent a lot of time on meatball back in the day, and have incarnated here a few times; always disastrous. St. Caurgula (talk) 21:57, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

WHAT THE
HEY I SAW YOU, BLP HUH, THEN ANDREW FINCH’S FAMILY HAS SUED THE CITY OF WICHITA AND POLICE OFFICERS IN JANUARY TwoofTheMCS (talk) 00:57, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This editor was arguing that a family isn't a person and that BLP doesn't apply, and making other BLP violations. Doug Weller  talk 14:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

History of Florida ongoing
There seems to be some blowback from my actions re certain edits at History of Florida. Various IP users have been reverting my edits, once at History of Florida, and three times at Cades Pond culture. One of them also left an interesting comment on my talk page. I have no experience with checkuser. Would it be out of line for me to request a checkuser investigation on those IPs and a registered user that I suspect is behind them? - Donald Albury 14:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I would say "No" in answer to your question. That being said, in light of just how badly the editor who left that message mangled the meaning of WP:OR, I would advise you to try to explain what OR actually is to them and see if that takes, before doing anything else. If they refuse to accept any correction, or they accept correction yet continue to insist that your addition of that source is OR, then that will just provide evidence that points to trolling (and which, itself, evinces socking). ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  17:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

My personal heroes...
...are Sisyphus and Prometheus. But sometimes I do wish for a Herakles to handle the stables of Augeas... Apropos you probably can guess! ;-) --Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:25, 19 June 2018 (UTC)