User talk:Doug butler/Archive 4

Thanks for Village Settlements
Well done on Village Settlements (South Australia) - it's a nice article tying together the various places with a shared history. I knew a bit about Lyrup, but didn't know there were so many others from the same time. --Scott Davis Talk 01:44, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Smooth Island (Tasmania)
Hi, Doug. I am looking to the only Australian I have been friendly with, hoping you can read Smooth Island (Tasmania) and provide me with any ideas for improvement. You can see two minor comments on WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. Any other advice would be welcome, here, or on my talk page.--DThomsen8 (talk) 01:27, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Great to hear from you Dthomsen8. I remember with pleasure some of your advice and have tried to keep up to it, but Good Articles are way out of my league. I'm still flat out putting down halfway useful Stubs and Starts. User:Cowdy001 is a conscientious editor with a particular interest in islands, shorelines and such. He would be worth an approach. Doug butler (talk) 02:00, 18 February 2015 (UTC) Hope you've had no further health scares and are now fully mobile. Doug butler (talk) 02:00, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, when a doctor asks if I can walk up my row-house stairs, I say "No, I can run up the stairs." (I just did.) Contacting Cowdy is a task for Wednesday morning.--DThomsen8 (talk) 02:28, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

The Australian Worker
Sorry about that. I restored it, removed the tags and moved it. Can you check this and see which of those articles should link to The Australian Worker and which to the other article. And I deleted User:Doug butler/The Australian Worker as it was a redirect now. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 07:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

George Morphett / Tranmere House
Hmmm. All those hours of searching and making notes, and it never registered that 1898 > 1893. (Or 1860, for that matter!) "None so blind as those who don't look"? (Ho hum ... ) Thanks! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 09:17, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * George Morphett (1811–1893)
 * Tranmere House ... built in 1898


 * So, Morphett sold it to Hunt circa 1860. As a 40 year retirement in the 1800s seems unlikely, who built Tranmere House? Pdfpdf (talk) 09:25, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Answer: Read George Hunt (merchant). Pdfpdf (talk) 09:28, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Advanced School for Girls
Hi Doug, I don't think your transfer did work. At least I can't find it anywhere. Tullyis (talk) 14:01, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Tully, I must have slipped up somewhere; but it's at User:Tullyis/Advanced School for Girls Doug butler (talk) 14:30, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Herald (Adelaide) listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect &. Since you had some involvement with the 'Herald (Adelaide)' redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 19:46, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Great work on Townsend Duryea!
Dear Doug, I am in awe of the amount of detail you have included in you article on this photographer...a great read. Thank you James sinarau (talk) 13:00, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks; he was a good subject. Do you know how his surname is pronounced? A Balranald resident told me "du-RAY". I tried a year ago to get feedback from descendants in that town but no bites. Doug butler (talk) 14:03, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Reynolds - "Teapot Tommy"
Re this, can we include why he was called this name? I had a look at the ref but it's very hard to read. Timeshift (talk) 22:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I haven't a clue, just stumbled on it while looking for something else, and was too good to let pass by. Doug butler (talk) 22:17, 13 May 2015 (UTC) The author of the article A. T. Saunders is worth a look. Doug butler (talk) 22:24, 13 May 2015 (UTC) Ah! of course - a reference to teetotalism! Doug butler (talk) 22:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

John Stephens (editor)
Sorry to disappoint, but that's not really my line of country. My input into the article on this chap really arose because in working on his brother (Joseph Rayner Stephens) I had accumulated some info relating to John (plus I had not previously come across Methodists with names like Fidelia).

In turn my interest in J R Stephens was because of his part in the British factory reform movement. I started out about a year back trying to create/improve a series of articles on the various Factory Acts from 1802 up to c 1860 and realised that to make sense of the succession of unsuccessful initiatives some account of the principal factory reform leaders was needed as well. I am afraid that the Wesleyan Methodist leadership at that time forbade involvement in controversial politics, so factory reform leaders were almost axiomatically not Methodists, although many were ex-Methodists. (Primitive Methodists were quite happy with politics, but in 1830s class-ridden England Primitive Methodists weren't really thought of as leadership material..)  Rjccumbria (talk) 23:59, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Reviewing
You must be autoconfirmed by now. You should not need to have your articles like David Sutherland (politician) reviewed.--Grahame (talk) 01:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Some reviewers just rubber-stamp an article but others, like your good self, give a quick or not-so-quick scan and make useful edits (like picking up missing tags on the talk page :) ) I like it. Doug butler (talk) 01:59, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * OK but I look at most new articles identified by the bot at New articles (Australia) as possibly having Australian content, not because they are unreviewed.--Grahame (talk) 09:01, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

MacKillop
Thanks! It's already at Electoral district of Victoria - I'm not aware of a Victoria electorate in another state, but if there is one it'll be easy enough to move. Frickeg (talk) 20:39, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Eh, redirects are cheap. Plus, now we're all set if some other state decides, for some bizarre reason, to name an electorate Victoria. :) Frickeg (talk) 01:00, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking for SA electoral history work? After many years, stubs have finally been created for the predecessors of the Liberal Union - the National Defence League and Farmers and Producers Political Union! Please be encouraged to build on them, link to them from other articles etc. The 1930s may be extremely spotty, at best, but there's no reason why the late 1800s/early 1900s can't have some info! Timeshift (talk) 01:05, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Will keep my eye open but slowly working forward in time on MHA's, so may be quite a while. Doug butler (talk) 01:30, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Citation formatting
Hi Doug butler - I've noticed some embedded links that aren't right in some citations you've added. For example, in Rapid (brig), you added " newspaper=News (Adelaide, SA : 1923 - 1954) ", which links to News, not to the specific newspaper. I think what you needed here is " newspaper=The News ". And in Henry Robert Fuller you added "newspaper=Observer (Adelaide, SA : 1905 - 1931) ", which is a redlink; there is an article on this paper at The Observer (Adelaide) (I've made the correction). And in James Umpherston, you referred to " newspaper=Border Watch (Mount Gambier, SA : 1861 - 1954) ". This actually links, not to the newspaper The Border Watch, but to a videogame named Border Watch. And in Jacob Smith (politician) you refer to " newspaper=Daily Herald (Adelaide, SA : 1910 - 1924) " which links to a disambiguation page, rather than to the correct target " Daily Herald ". And I don't see why you include the date range and location within the newspaper title link, when you already have a location parameter (e.g. "location=Mount Gambier, SA"), and a publication date in the "date=" parameter, both of which will be visible in the References section of the article; the years the newspaper was published don't seem to me to have any relevance to the citation. Colonies Chris (talk) 10:59, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa. Thanks for picking those up. Doug butler (talk) 06:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Since raising this issue I've discovered these these badly constructed citations are actually automatically generated from Trove. Are you aware whether there has been any official coordination between Wikipedia and Trove on the design of these citations? It rather looks as though they've set up this facility without checking whether it meets WP requirements or standards. Colonies Chris (talk) 21:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Check the bottom of my userpage for the answer. The huge majority of Trove links work perfectly, but a number, which have only been digitized in the last five years or so need to be disambiguated. I sent a copy to NLA in March this year requesting these automatic dabs be implemented. You may wish to add your voice to mine. Here's what I wrote and their reply:

My query
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Your enquiry Enquiry, comment or suggestion: Good morning. A problem arises with the Trove Wikipedia citation facility when the "wikilink" to the title of the newspaper being cited is a common noun or shared with another publication; such links require, in Wikipedia parlance, "disambiguation". Here is a list, necessarily incomplete, of modifications to your citation templates which if implemented would be helpful to Wikipedia editors: to newspaper=[The Border Watch |Border Watch (Mount Gambier, SA : 1861 - 1954)] to newspaper=[The Chronicle (South Australia) |Chronicle (Adelaide, SA : 1895 - 1954)] to newspaper=[Daily Herald (Adelaide) |Daily Herald (Adelaide, SA : 1910 - 1924)] to newspaper=[The Observer (Adelaide) |Observer (Adelaide, SA : 1905 - 1931)] to newspaper=[Quiz (Adelaide newspaper) |Quiz (Adelaide, SA : 1900 - 1909)] to newspaper=[Quiz (Adelaide newspaper) |Quiz (Adelaide, SA : 1889 - 1890)] to newspaper=[The Recorder (Port Pirie) |Recorder (Port Pirie, SA : 1919 - 1954)] to newspaper=[Table Talk (Australian newspaper) |Table Talk (Melbourne, Vic. : 1885 - 1939)] newspaper=[Melbourne Punch |Punch (Melbourne, Vic. : 1900 - 1918)] newspaper=[The Southern Cross (South Australia) |Southern Cross (Adelaide, SA : 1889 - 1954)] newspaper=[Advocate (Melbourne) |Advocate (Melbourne, Vic. : 1868 - 1954)] newspaper=[The Worker (Wagga) |The Worker (Wagga, NSW : 1892 - 1913)]
 * newspaper=[Border Watch |Border Watch (Mount Gambier, SA : 1861 - 1954)]
 * newspaper=[Chronicle |Chronicle (Adelaide, SA : 1895 - 1954)]
 * newspaper=[Daily Herald |Daily Herald (Adelaide, SA : 1910 - 1924)]
 * newspaper=[Observer |Observer (Adelaide, SA : 1905 - 1931)]
 * newspaper=[Quiz |Quiz (Adelaide, SA : 1900 - 1909)]
 * newspaper=[Quiz |Quiz (Adelaide, SA : 1889 - 1890)]
 * newspaper=[Recorder |Recorder (Port Pirie, SA : 1919 - 1954)]
 * newspaper=[Table Talk |Table Talk (Melbourne, Vic. : 1885 - 1939)]
 * newspaper=[Punch |Punch (Melbourne, Vic. : 1900 - 1918)]
 * newspaper=[Southern Cross |Southern Cross (Adelaide, SA : 1889 - 1954)]
 * newspaper=[Advocate |Advocate (Melbourne, Vic. : 1868 - 1954)]
 * newspaper=[The Worker |The Worker (Wagga, NSW : 1892 - 1913)]

Regards, Doug

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Over to you. Doug butler (talk) 22:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I've raised the issue again, this time on the Trove forum. We'll see if that approach has any more success. Colonies Chris (talk) 09:33, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

SA MLC lists
Blah. Stopping there. Don't suppose you want to pick up where i left off? Best way to find out is type their name and "party names" with the " in to google and see what you find. Add to their bio article and in the MLC list. I have no doubt 1897 through 1915 has more affiliations i've missed and/or not available online. 1891 to 1897 still need doing. Timeshift (talk) 17:08, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I was hoping you knew what you were doing and that when you'd finished it would be a huge improvement. I don't understand the concept of political parties pre-WWI and suspect politics then was a sea of shifting allegiances and alliances. So thanks for your kind offer but I'll stick to what I'm doing now (whatever that may be). Doug butler (talk) 22:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I've just gotten back to 1910, and I'm totally confused about what's going on with the Legislative Council lists: per our article (and my understanding) they're supposed to be consistent with House of Assembly elections, but those lists are at 1905-08 and 1908-10 instead of 1905-06 and 1906-10? The Statistical Register records no changes to membership in 1908 and I can't find mention of a LC-only election in Trove. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 15:11, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * All MLCs went to six-year terms in 1905, and from that year Legislative Council elections were to be held concurrently with MHA elections. You would have thought that half the MLC seats would have been declared vacant by lot in 1908 but evidently not so, but it still made sense to me to have two pages for that period to synchronise with House of Assembly. The 1906 polls were by-elections. Doug butler (talk) 05:04, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that makes sense. Is there any chance you could explain that on those pages? If I read that and went "what the hell?" I'm probably not the only one! :) The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 08:44, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Good idea. It shall be done Doug butler (talk) 13:18, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Australian real estate agents
Please see Category:Australian real estate agents for discussion on upmerging Hugo999 (talk) 00:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. A lay down misère I should think. Doug butler (talk) 00:36, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Are you aware of the following books?
Hi Doug Butler, I found the following books while recently searching for something else earlier in the week:





Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 21:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cowdy001 - and just purchased Cyclopedia of South Australia 1907-09. No chance of getting bored, just boring. Doug butler (talk) 22:02, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Redirects
Hey, can you please stop randomly merging politician red links into articles on already-created family members? It's not a logical way of organising information and because redirects for deletion is a nuisance it means I have to personally break the article back out again and it's bloody irritating. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 00:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It wasn't random. I'm (more-or-less) systematically working through SA MHA redlinks and while working on H. C. Kelly found Robert Kelly (politician) was his brother; politically the two seemed a continuum, so seemed logical they should be in the one article. More so than ADB's joint article on Robert and W. S. Kelly. Doug butler (talk) 06:51, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * How? One person, one article. I very much appreciate the systematically working through SA MHA redlinks (I'm following it and generally your work is great), but Wikipedia doesn't really do randomly merged family articles and the unpleasant surprise of having to untangle them here is something I'm a bit over. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 04:15, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Also, while I'm on the subject, would it be possible to go a bit easier on the "family" sections in your articles? That one of Hugh Craine Kelly's brother=in-laws later remarried is way too much detail on non-notable people for Wikipedia, and the sort of thing that belongs on ancestry.com rather than Wikipedia. I've hesitated to remove them because I don't want to remove your hard work but some of these are sprawling to the point of the ridiculous. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 06:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I know what you mean - I certainly go further into families than most do, but I keep on finding these fascinating links (like Mary Ann Randell) that says a lot about the landed classes of colonial Adelaide. These second marriages have often turned out to be to widows/widowers of interesting people. Doug butler (talk) 07:20, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you thought about putting some of this on the Familypedia Wikia? It seems like a better fit because it's specifically denoted to tracking genealogy, and while I know you find this stuff interesting, it's introducing massive amounts of unrelated cruft into articles that if it wasn't added by a user who does so much other good work I'd remove on the spot. The family tree for the Lamshed family that isn't even related to the dude the article's about is a really prime example of something that should be on the internet somewhere but shouldn't be on Wikipedia. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 13:35, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Not really to genealogy standard - I've mostly left out children who didn't reach marrying age, and only people who made the newspapers, if only as initials, and not bothered with the second generation apart from a few war casualties. The two Lamshed families are interesting as pioneers of several small but moderately important towns in South Australia, and teasing apart the two skeins may prove useful, if only to people in those towns. I found it remarkable that "Lamshed" gets some 15,000 Trove hits for SA but maybe only 500 for the rest of Australia. The two families overlapped at Strathalbyn, Maitland and Sunnyview, but were not prominent at each other's weddings and funerals. I'm now working on Max Lamshed, a rolled gold notable whom I've yet to link to either group, though his father's initials are suggestive. Doug butler (talk) 15:36, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Can I chime in here? I mean, this is great info, but Wikipedia is really not the place for it. I recommend starting an account on Ancestry.com and storing all this information there. Frickeg (talk) 01:03, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Further to Frickeg's comment, I would suggest either WeRelate which is a wiki like WP or Familysearch on the basis that these do not cost anything to join. Cowdy001 (talk) 03:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Articles for Kainton and Sunny vale - some comments
Hi Doug butler, as you may have noticed, I edited both articles for Kainton, South Australia and Sunny Vale, South Australia to add the name of the correct LGA (i.e. Yorke Peninsula Council. I have a number of comments.  Firstly, I recently discovered that the naming of places was standardised across the entire country last decade with the country being divided up into either "suburbs" or "localities".  Secondly, the most reliable source to check the extent of a suburb/locality & to discover which LGA it is located in is the online map called NatureMaps which is offered by DEWNR.  This information can be accessed as  follows. At the home page, click the “START using NatureMaps” button.  After the map opens, click “Switch to Layer View” button and then open the following menu on the left hand side of the screen by clicking the boxes as follows- “Administrative Boundaries” >> “Administrative” >> “LGAs >> “Suburbs”. Thirdly, I am not sure if one can cite information from NatureMaps. In respect to Kainton and Sunny vale, I was able to found a map showing the boundaries of the council, the three wards and all of the localities with the LGA on the Yorke Peninsula Council website. While a number of other LGAs have similar maps (i.e. Onkaparinga, Clare and Gilbert Valleys), I tend to trawl through development plans at Online development plans or use the Property Location Browser which are both published by the DPTI. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 03:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks once again for setting me straight. Doug butler (talk) 06:06, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

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William Bowman
Hi Doug, I am a descendant of William Bowman and was wondering what your interest / connection to him might be? You have done some great research.
 * Thanks for the rap, though it's not research, just putting together publicly available information. No, I have no connection with any of the subjects I have written about, I just fell in love with the concept of Wikipedia and was disappointed at the paucity of information available on names and businesses that are part of South Australia. And the more you find out the more you want to know. And it's fun in a geekish sort of way. Doug butler (talk) 01:25, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Isidore George Beaver for deletion
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Ian McNamara
Hi, Doug! I just wanted to say something about my edits to Ian McNamara. Firstly with living people we have to be careful about publishing full date of birth because of its use in proving identity for financial matters etc (WP:DOB recommends only including the year unless the full date is widely available elsewhere). However, as a living person, we need to source everything we say about him, and I cannot find a source for him being born in 1945. The only source I could quickly find has him born in 1951. Do you have a source for the year? I understand from your edit summary why you think that's his date of birth, but is that from a source that's citable? Kerry (talk) 22:40, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile this source has him aged 62 in 2009 so born 1946-1947. Kerry (talk) 22:49, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It was announced on Radio 891 (ABC local radio, Adelaide) this morning that today was his 70th birthday. I have no further information, but the ABC people here are highly regarded as a source of information, so I took it at face value. No harm done if you remove it, meanwhile I'll check it out. Doug butler (talk) 23:13, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I had guessed that you had probably heard it on the radio and, as you say, it's probably correct, but it's the problem of citing something that supports 1945 over other years which do have sources. Do we know his middle name? That would help to pin down a date of birth. Kerry (talk) 23:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I rang the station directly after that posting, but they'd meantime had a shift change and the producer had no record of it. No don't know anything at all about him. Occasionally hear his shows and don't care much for him, though I must say he has a remarkable memory for people and places. And he's excellent proof the ABC is not totally loaded with leftwing greenie commie sympathisers! Doug butler (talk) 03:02, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Solomon
No objections here - done! Just make sure you disambiguate it very clearly, because there's still way more references to him as "Vaiben Solomon" than to his uncle (but more again as Vaiben Louis, hence the move). The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 01:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. No argument on relative importance, but it's a very interesting family. I've found a lot on his (and brother Emanuel's) life of crime and transportation, but nothing yet on how he became affluent after his ticket-of-leave. Doug butler (talk) 06:35, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the new article as it stands is a bit of a problem: it makes absolutely no case for notability on his part and would not survive a deletion discussion, and has about two lines about the subject of the article and a massive amount of irrelevant information about his descendants. This really needs to be made relevant to Solomon himself and stripped back to his ties to only notable members of the family, with content actually about him, or else it needs to go in a Solomon family article: Vaiben's article is not the place for an extended family tree. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 14:56, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Understood. I'm hoping it will turn out that it was Vaiben's and Emanuel's success that brought the family out to Australia, but the reference I found only talks about their criminal and convict history. Meanwhile I thought the simplified family chart would be interesting and useful, but I'll move it to userspace. Doug butler (talk) 15:47, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to say that I think you've done a pretty great job of this now. The first article was basically "this dude who was related to all these other notable dudes"; this article makes does a decent job of clarifying his own notability in the scheme of things, and I suspect that probably wasn't the easiest thing to put together. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 08:32, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate that. I'm still working my way through the article in Australian Jewish Historical Society Vol VIII part 2. of November 1975 which deals with the two miscreants-made-good. The lovely people from AJHS posted me their "Not For Loan" copy and I'd like to do it justice. Trove of course makes gives us some advantages over the original author in checking "facts". I do live in fear of the "notability police" though. Someone once said to me "Wikipedia is not paper". Meaning, I guess, that systematized facts have the potential to become part of a narrative. I. G. Beaver, my third-tier architect is a case in point (and thanks again for your resolute support). I only started it to turn an undistinguished name in an article into a blue hyperlink, which could be either glossed over or investigated and maybe improved by anyone interested. Even if it hadn't turned out to be rather interesting ("Wattle Path Dance Hall" evokes an era light-years away), it was a bit of mortar between the stones. Doug butler (talk) 13:39, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of Justices of the Peace, South Australia 1862 for deletion
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Mayo
I found the line in the obituary, but I'm still confused: mainly because that image does not look like it was taken in a group shot, and they would have had to have been standing quite far apart for Mayo to be that thoroughly successfully cropped out of a group photo. It's quite possible that the paper may have believed that to have been the case, but that other photos subsequently turned up posthumously. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 04:23, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean. And that photo sure don't look like it was taken "many years before his death". You're a tireless worker, what with all those photographs you've been adding - improves the articles no end. Peculiarly, there's a noticeable delay between the article being loaded on my machine and the photo arriving. And at one stage the photos weren't getting loaded at all. Doug butler (talk) 04:49, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

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