User talk:Doug butler/Archive 5

February 2008
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User talk archives

 * BTW how does one create a User talk archive? Doug butler (talk) 21:51, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There are lots of ways it can be done, some of them automatic, but I've had no success with the automatic ones, (and anyway, being the control freak that I am, I actually prefer to have control over what's happening.)
 * So I do it manually. And there are several ways you can do that, too.
 * Probably/possibly the easiest/best way to do it, (certainly a better way to do it than what I do, but I only discovered this method in the last year - had I discovered it earlier, I would probably use it), is the two step process:
 * 1) Use "move page" to rename your talk page (e.g. move "User talk:Doug butler" to "User talk:Doug butler/Archive 1")
 * 2) "User talk:Doug butler" will then become a redirect to "User talk:Doug butler/Archive 1". Edit "User talk:Doug butler" - remove the redirect and replace it with the stuff (copied from "User talk:Doug butler/Archive 1") that you like having on the top of your talk page.
 * Then, next time you want to archive, move "User talk:Doug butler" to "User talk:Doug butler/Archive 2"
 * Etc.
 * Hope that helps. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:38, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. That seems to have worked. Doug butler (talk) 15:00, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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George Morphett and Morphett families of South Australia
I have split out the Morphett families of South Australia from George Morphett, I am not sure about the notability of the families but it does appear misplaced in that article. It does look likely they are related, more work would be needed to show that. (Note the FamilySearch Tree might be of use https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor&section=details&person=LWZL-5J7 ) -- Paul foord (talk) 04:20, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Ladd's cordials
I'm not sure why this article was created: it doesn't seem to even try to make any claim to notability, and the whole article is the family history of the guy who founded it, who it also makes no claim to notability for. I don't nominate your articles for deletion because I appreciate all your hard work, but this is so not the first time you've gotten caught up in researching someone's family history and then tried to shoehorn it into Wikipedia without any encyclopedic context and it's really not the place. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 03:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Ladd's ginger beer and sodawater were big sellers when I was a kid, probably the third biggest name in soft drinks in SA after Woodroofe's and Hall's. Virtually all I could find from Trove was, understandably, some people and some places and a lot of boring advertisements. I suspect they were big importers of ginger and sugar. They had a lot of industrial action, most, peculiarly enough about the workers having to (illegally) wash, fill and put "Ladd's" labels on bottles that belonged to another company. But you're right, I stumbled on the name when working on Frederic Chapple, who really was significant, and wondered where it would lead. But being the third soft drink company is not nothing in the history of SA. Doug butler (talk) 03:35, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * See, all of that is really interesting - but it's not in the article! The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 03:46, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's also interesting that, like Bickford's, the company was run successfully by a woman, and probably for a lot longer than the dates would suggest, given that the old man probably died from the effects of alcohol. We congratulate ourselves today on businesses being run by women, but in those days that was the lot of a great number of middle-class widows. I've deleted the family list, as it shows no signs of linkage into the great web of Adelaide Business Families. Doug butler (talk) 03:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Dawson
Since you asked - it sounds borderline notable (and relevant to my interests!) but could probably make that case better. It says she was one of the first women graduates (and from the timing she obviously was), but there's no sources for that and no detail - was it not written about it at the time?

As for the husband - perhaps another case of slightly eclectic merging, since he is also marginally notable, but amusing to see the husband merged into the wife's article for once. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 12:02, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Moves
I don't have the permissions, I'm sorry - you'll have to follow the procedure at WP:RM (in the uncontroversial/technical requests section) for that. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 03:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Circumnavigating Australia's Coastline vols 1 & 2
Goo afternoon, thanks for the email. I have heard of Coghill - I will have a look in the local library to see if there is a copy that I can look at. They may be useful if there are any descriptions such as coastal features, perennial navigation hazards and et al. I will comment further at a later time. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 07:20, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Hambidge Wilderness Protection Area
Hi Doug butler, the source of 'Hambidge' in the Wilderness Protection Area's name is the Hambridge Conservation Park which was named after the Hambridge National Park which was originally named after the Hundred of Hambidge. This is evident from the the Property Location Browser reports for all of the above features. While the Hundred itself is named after Clive Hambidge, I think it is not appropriate is to directly state that the Wilderness Protection Area is named after Clive because Hambidge, like many of the other Hundreds, became a local name used by local residents. Therefore naming of Wilderness Protection Area reflects a local useage rather than an ongoing recognition of Clive Hambidge. I also minimised the content re Clive as the article is about a protected area and not about Clive. Please reply here if you have any comments. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 05:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for a great piece of work. Do you have anything on Mt. Jagged, somewhere near Victor Harbor? It was the site of SA's first iron ore mine and the first attempt at iron smelting in SA. Found about it in a book about A. Simpson & Son.; see Alfred Muller Simpson. Doug butler (talk) 05:46, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * There is a suburb called Mount Jagged in the City of Victor Harbor and a mountain of the same name withn the suburb - please refer Property Location Browser (don't forget to select the "Suburbs and Localities" layer). There is some information at http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/manning/pn/j/j1.htm#jaggedM. Also a search on the DEWNR home page may reveal information about the natural environment. The PIRSA and the Department of State Development may also have information about the mining of the iron.  Also, I am aware of the particular Simpson family as one of my relatives married into it; by the way, if Katie Allen Simpson & Leonard Charles Simpson have a common set of great-grandparents, they are second cousins. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 08:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, part of the locality of Mount Jagged is located in the Alexandrina Council. Cowdy001 (talk) 08:04, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Charles Hope Harris
Hi, I just finished an article about a salt lake called Lake Harris which was named after Charles Hope Harris, a government surveyor. Biographical notes published in 1899 indicate that he had a notable career in the South Australian civil service. Suggest that you should consider drafting an article about Mr Hope. Please reply here if you wish to comment. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 11:02, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Apologies for slow response — have been on the road the past few days — sounds like a worthwhile project. Shall do. Doug butler (talk) 05:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Re: Sedna tonic
If all you say is true, then it should be worthy of its own article. Disambig pages are not articles. They are intended to direct people to other articles. If you link to different article then notability becomes an issue. Regardless, putting it above the actual goddess and the planet was a bit presumptive.  Serendi pod ous  08:48, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Hundred of Squire
Hi, I have just finished an article about the County of Musgrave and noticed that one of the constituent hundreds, the Hundred of Squire, was named “in memory of the late Mr. Edward Squire, Deputy Postmaster-General.” I checked and there is no WP article exists for this person. Can you add to this to your list? Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 03:46, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries. I've just come across something that may interest you. Hartley Williams (clergyman), an ex-High Anglican priest and High School principal at Mount Gambier was fishing inspector on the Glenelg River (Victoria), part of which apparently was once in SA but now in Vic. Could be a good story there. Doug butler (talk) 05:01, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * There does not appear to be a story there. Part of the Glenelg River (Victoria) is still in SA; in fact the land between the river's loop within SA and the border is occupied by the Lower Glenelg River Conservation Park and which adjoins the Lower Glenelg National Park located on the other side of the border.  There is also a dispute which was resolved in 1914 and which is discussed in the following article -South Australia–Victoria border dispute.  Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 09:34, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dunn family of South Australia


The article Dunn family of South Australia has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:
 * This appears to be a geneology for a family. There are lots of references but none afaik point to anything which says 'this is a notable family'. So ... I'm not seeing the notability.

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Adelaide Educational Institution
Season's Greetings and Happy New Year! I trust you are well. I was reminded of the AEI recently and thought I'd have a look at the page. I see you continue to do a good job of maintaining and expanding it! I noticed a "new" addition to the lead that you added 15 June 2015, which I found interesting. I wondered why you had singled out PAC? (I'm guessing / assuming it was date related?) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 04:50, 31 December 2016 (UTC)


 * (P.S. You've led me to do some "homework":
 * 1847 St Peter's College, Adelaide
 * 1852 Adelaide Educational Institution
 * 1869 Prince Alfred College
 * 1880  Adelaide Educational Institution closes
 * 1919 Scotch College, Adelaide
 * 1923 King's College, Adelaide
 * I hadn't realised how much later Scotch & King's came onto the scene. Pdfpdf (talk) 04:50, 31 December 2016 (UTC) }

South Australian manufacturing businesses
PS. Any additions to List of South Australian manufacturing businesses you can think of would be welcomed.Doug butler (talk) 04:49, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

First pass: Pdfpdf (talk) 08:17, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Clipsal
 * Gerard Industries Pty Ltd Robert Gerard (but nothing about what they made)
 * Lightburn and Co. Zeta (automobile) (but nothing about the other stuff they made)
 * Perry Engineering
 * James Martin & Co
 * May Brothers and Company
 * Duttons?
 * "Ridley's Stripper" John Ridley (inventor)
 * Stump-jump plough
 * Horwood Bagshaw Ltd.
 * Would sit comfortably with present company, thanks. Doug butler (talk) 13:39, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't notice your response.
 * I'm not sure what your response means. Yes, I would hope/expect my response "Would sit comfortably with present company". After all, that was my intention - but I don't understand what you mean. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Second pass:
 * "It does not include food and beverage companies or pharmaceuticals and toiletries." Why not?
 * Presumably not mining or oil & gas, either?
 * Bricks, paving, concrete casting?
 * Hides and tanneries?
 * Roads and bridges? Rail-roads?
 * There must be a collection of places around Mooringe Ave.
 * Ditto Edwardstown, Mile End, Thebarton, Hindmarsh and "greater" Port Adelaide.

Pdfpdf (talk) 10:28, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * What I was thinking of was home-grown manufacturers of elaborately transformed goods with an engineering component and brand names that would be / would have been / known interstate (whew). It's a start on an area that's not received much attention. Doug butler (talk) 13:39, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with your thought / intent. But I'm unsure of what I can do to help. I guess I'd like some more guidance, please. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Those names were a big help, thanks. But I'm hoping for leads on later names like Eilco/Codan, Dunlite, AEM, WIA and Krix. Not even sure if these are/were SA manufacturers. Doug butler (talk) 14:50, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Comment
Good heavens you're a "busy boy". And the high quality of your contributions is very clearly evident, (and enviable). Well done! Please continue with your good work. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Kenneth Stirling and William Finke
Hi Doug butler, I have found two persons who may be notable enough to have articles - Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 23:29, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Kenneth Stirling whom the Kenneth Stirling Conservation Park was named after and who has an entry in the Australian Dictionary of Biography
 * 2) William Finke whom the following geographic features are named after - Finke River and Mount Finke.
 * Done: Kenneth Stirling stub and William Finke start class. Doug butler (talk) 05:37, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Clipper ships
I noticed that you are writing articles about clipper ships associated with South Australia. To save effort by you, I advise that I have draft articles re the Margaret Brock and Star of Greece (started in 2011 which I can get finished in the near future). Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 00:12, 14 April 2017 (UTC).
 * Great! There was quite a number; I was just looking at a few that were associated with John Legoe and the Orient Line, that led to David Bruce and Devitt & Moore. Most educational (much more interesting than writing about stuff I understand) but I think I'll quit after St Vincent — I'm getting waterlogged! Doug butler (talk) 01:23, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of J. T. Fitch & Son


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Your submission at Articles for creation: Commonwealth of Australia Gazette (May 29)
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Copying licensed material requires proper attribution
Hi. I see in a recent addition to Draft:Commonwealth of Australia Gazette you included material from a webpage that is available under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia license. That's okay, but you have to give attribution so that our readers are made aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. I've added the attribution for this particular instance. Please make sure that you follow this legal requirement when copying from compatibly-licensed material in the future. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:10, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Dianaa. Thanks for picking this up and fixing the copyvio issue. As it happens, it was the creator of the article who was responsible for the sentence; I noticed it was quite similar to the official line but as it was short and not exactly clever thought no more about it. Doug butler (talk) 14:09, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Jubilee Exhibition Building
Yes, it does matter what order the phrases are in! Thanks ;-) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:34, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

User:Doug butler:These are a few of my favorite links
I like the title/header! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:46, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Haha. You're too kind.Doug butler (talk) 05:07, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Use the talk page
Your edit to Glenelg, South Australia was not helpful. There is a talk page discussion which you could have contributed to. Go there next time. If you really strongly desire to add historical asides about South Australia generally to an article on a specific place, put it in the main article. The lead is a summary of the article, and nothing more, so anything not mentioned in the article must not be mentioned in the lead. Rbka (talk) 07:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ahhh. (Intake of breath.) Wouldn't it be lovely to be young again (without the associated baggage) and be so self-confident that one knew everything about ... well ... everything? I'm very ( very ) much of the opinion that "ignorance is bliss". Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:42, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Me, I prefer the constructive vandal but I did enjoy the sight of irony gathering ice on its wings.Doug butler (talk) 13:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

List of Australian AM Radio Stations.
Dear Doug,

Thank you for your note. Yes, like you (presumably) I am also extremely interested in the history of broadcasting in Australia. I was responsible for starting the following Wikipedia pages: - 2CM - 2BE (Sydney) - Mary Parker (Australian TV personality / UK actress [When I used to watch Mary on HSV's 1956 test programs as a youngster, I never thought that I    would one day know her quite well.  This came about because of my very strong friendship with her niece, Liz Parker.  Mary is still quite fit at the age of 87, but I recently attended the funeral of her husband, portrait painter Paul Fitzgerald.]

I have also added considerably to the following Wikipedia pages: - 3AK - 3XY - 2UE - Broadcasting [although some of what I contributed to the page has been badly modified - see both the introduction and the Australian section].

I have also lectured on the history of broadcasting in Australia at a couple of U3As.

After checking Wikipedia, if you think I may be able to assist your project please contact me again and let me know more about what you have in mind.

I look forward to hearing from you,

Regards,Albert Isaacs (talk) 22:45, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Dear Doug,

Further to our emails yesterday, all of the that I could give you is covered in what I and others gave to Bruce Carty and hat is listed on his book "Australian Radio History". If you need to purchase a copy, go to https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Australian_Radio_History.html?id=c0snKQEACAAJ&redir_esc=y and look at the list of retailers in the left-hand column.

I hope this helps,

Regards, Albert Isaacs (talk) 23:01, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

ahhh
one of the crappiest newspapers I have ever been paid to read... you do it great service sir.. JarrahTree 23:06, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * but far too many links Doug butler (talk) 23:08, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * sheer profligacy JarrahTree 23:29, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * my sincerest apology, I realise now, all the damned west coast articles I created... I used to live there, enough said JarrahTree 23:55, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * we check it out in June: a significant anniversary Doug butler (talk) 23:58, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

I have
trove refs for some of the defunct radio stations... where is the preferred point for a ref? (eg - 6vlw =  - where is the most appropriate point on the list for such an item - or is it better to start a stub ? JarrahTree 13:41, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * An article on shortwave broadcasting would be timely, but apart from prehistory where a few broadcasters were on longwave, it's best to stick to the 500–1600 kHz band. What I do need, failing a Trove that extends from 1955 to the present :), is WRTHs from 1978 to 1980. Hens' teeth. Like telephone books and street directories: once the new one comes out the previous year's goes to the WPB. Doug butler (talk) 20:18, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

The family of W. R. Wilson
Hi Doug butler

Your article, W. R. Wilson, states that the subject’s wife is only four years older than his daughter. I do know a bit about W. R. Wilson because he is a relative of a relative etc. He was married at least twice with his first wife being Ada Wills (1857-1879) whom he married at the home of one of my ancestors in 1875. Ada is the mother of his only child, May Harrie(t) Wilson who was born in Hindmarsh on 30 July 1876. I do not know when he married his second wife – there is no marriage recorded in the relevant SA records or reported in newspapers currently available in digitised form on Trove. It is likely that they married in one of the other colonies. By the way, Wilson was born in Benburb, County Tyrone and it is possible that he is related to James Wilson (Orangeman).

Regards

Cowdy001 (talk) 20:50, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You do have some interesting relatives! Do you have any photos? Doug butler (talk) 21:06, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I am not related to W. R. Wilson; I just have some relatives who are related to him. I have not seen any photos of him anywhere, although there are some caricatures of him in some newspapers published in the 1890s.  I will upgrade the family section when I get access to the relevant hardcopy sources.   Regards Cowdy001 (talk)

The Daily Telegraph (Australia) to The Daily Telegraph (Sydney)
Hi, Doug! I see there around 170 more of these links. Would you like me to fix them using the AutoWikiBrowser? It would be a matter of a few minutes for me compared with hours for you. Kerry (talk) 00:27, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Would you? Sounds great! Doug butler (talk) 00:30, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have said 1470 links. Working on it now ... Kerry (talk) 00:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I thought that number was a bit suss. Had estimated the number by spooling through the list 500 at a time and reckoned on about 2000. By the same method I've done about 600; one a minute. Tried to download AutoWikiBrowser and fell at the first hurdle. Slow and steady may not win the race but it always gets you there. :) Doug butler (talk) 01:08, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks all done! Thanks for the great assist. Doug butler (talk) 03:34, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I also mopped up about 100 redirects from Daily Telegraph (Australia) too. There are a few more redirects out there with small numbers of links. Not clear to me if it is desired to mop those up or not so I let them be. But the bulk of it is done now. As a self-described "techo", I think you might like AutoWikiBrowser. OK, I have never figure out most of its functionality but I know enough to do most of the things I want to do. And it doesn't run on Macs, it's only a PC application (this is a stumbling block for many people). And you have to become a registered user (but unlikely to be a problem for anyone except a relatively new user). It is the bees' knees for this kind of simple substitution that is unlikely to match things you don't want. For example I asked it to replace

[[The Daily Telegraph (Australia)

with

[[The Daily Telegraph (Sydney)

to avoid any unexpected replacements outside of the context of a wikilink but still allowing for the likely possibility that the link is piped (almost always was). Kerry (talk) 03:51, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Columns
Is this the sort of thing you're after? Pdfpdf (talk) 09:15, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Looks very like the second example on your Talk page. I'd hoped for something at the top along with the column width definition. Defining the color of every cell is kinda clunky. Doug butler (talk) 12:17, 8 December 2017 (UTC) Well, bit the bullet and colored in 690 cells on 345 lines. Phew. Doug butler (talk) 21:51, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * So the answer is no, that's not what you were looking for, and that (like me), you'd prefer something like what one can do with rows. Sadly, I haven't identified anything like that yet ... Pdfpdf (talk) 01:16, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Equally clunky is how I got selected columns right justified, but both now done. As you'll see, it's a pretty big table. User:Doug_butler/List_of_Australian_AM_radio_stations Doug butler (talk) 02:21, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, much too big to manually edit each cell individually. Pdfpdf (talk) 02:32, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Cell alignment
Another way to do cell alignment. However, still row and cell based, not column based. Pdfpdf (talk) 03:10, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You're thinking laterally again pdf. Stop it at once. Doug butler (talk) 04:18, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Maybe, but probably not laterally enough to solve the problem(s) in the way we would prefer. Pdfpdf (talk) 03:50, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Teahouse talkback: you've got messages!

 * I don't think the problem has anything to do with the AutoWikiBrowser, which does NOT run in your browser. What it sounds more like to me is the "weird shit" that occurs when your browser cache is full. I'd be very tempted to clear your browser cache and do a reboot, then ensure your operating system and browser are updated to the latest versions. Browser cache problems manifest in all kinds of strange ways, so whenever I am scratching my mind thinking "what? why?", I clear the browser cache etc and it's amazing how often the problem resolves. (And it does no harm to do even if it isn't the cause of the problem). Kerry (talk) 13:55, 12 December 2017 (UTC)