User talk:Douglas W. Jones

Chicago Assessment
I have reassessed Chicago Tunnel Company. You would do well sending the article through a full WP:PR. You could also improve the article if you address some of the comments I made on the talk page.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

NRHP articles
Thanks for adding pic to Ned Ashton House and developing it a bit, thereby actually making it a lot more useful as an article. I see u've developed other NRHP articles nicely too, such as B'nai Jacob Synagogue (Ottumwa, Iowa). I wonder, are you aware that you can obtain free very good NRHP nomination documents for use in developing these, by email request to the National Register (see wp:NRHPhelp for details). Also, please consider joining WikiProject NRHP (at wp:NRHP) -- you'd be very welcome-- and feel free to announce your new articles in the section for that purpose, there. Keep up the good work! Cheers, --Doncram (talk) 17:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Iowa communities
I have been watching with interest as you add information to various Iowa community articles of late as I patrol all Iowa communities (counties, cities, unincorporated communities, townships, etc.). I wanted to thank you and to tell you I am pleased to see you citing a source for all the information you have been adding, it is what I do also. I also wanted to alert you to a Communities help section at WP:IOWA/C and encourage you to join. I see you have just added a couple of Historical populations templates recently. I was using the same template until I ran across the USCensusPop and then I started to use it as it is a narrow version and has some other parameters built in, (in the Historical populations you could use the parameter |width= 20% to accomplish the same thing) either template works, I just thought I would alert you to the choice. I also wanted to inform you that the Iowa Data Center has a updated to include the 2010 census figures that can be downloaded in either PDF or as an excel document. that can be found at IOWA DATA CENTER. I downloaded the excel copy as I find it easier to use but you could download the PDF file if you prefer and use that as a direct reference source. I also thought I would show you an example of how I have refined my population reference (footnote) in the USCensusPop template.  Iowa Data Center  This centers the footnote in the table and places the source cited in the References section. I also have a US Census source that I use that lists just the 2010 population and the occupancy data in a table at US CENSUS BUREAU. An example of these are at Nevada, Iowa and you can see the changes at NEVADA CHANGES. I do not mean to infer that you need to add your information exactly as I have, just showing you my way. By all means please continue adding information as you see fit. Keep up the good editing.-- Rife Ideas  Talk  00:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Trestle vs Truss
thanks for the excellent feedback on File:Side by side comparison of a Suspension bridge to Trestle Bridge, located in Steubenville Ohio..jpg, can you give me a little guidance on how to rename the title? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmiller wiki (talk • contribs) 15:51, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Teletype
I saw your addition to Teleprinter ... note that in 1921, the Morkrum Company started production of the Model 11. The name "Teletype" was first applied to this machine and also used in the company sales literature. ... By 1928, these Teleprinter machines were being produced by Teletype Corporation based on their equipment trademark. ... I'm thinking that your information could better be viewed in the section under manufacturers section (Teletype) rather than in the history section of the general teleprinter article. ... .Wa3frp (talk) 23:26, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No. It's clear in the cited report that the focus is on defining the phrase telephone typewriter by describing its function. They define teletype as an abbreviation for this phrase, using lower case, and never mention that it might be a trademark or the name of a corporate vendor. In sum, they are speaking generically about teleprinters. I've expanded (briefly) on what I added to make that clear. Douglas W. Jones (talk) 20:10, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * The fact is the term "Teletype" was a trademark in 1932 and therefore the use of "generic teletype" in that article is a violation of that trademark. I need to look further into the Morcrum Company and Teletype Corporation patents to find the real meaning of Teletype, closer to the time of first-use and by a source that does not seem to disregard trademarks.Wa3frp (talk) 21:17, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not a violation of trademark because the article in question is not engaged in trade. The only leverage a trademark owner has with non-commercial use of their trademark is persuasion.  A trademark owner can lose their trademark if it becomes a generic term.  See the Wikipedia article on Generic trademark for examples.  Trademark owners fight this by objecting to generic use of their trademarks -- nasty letters are common, but they have no real leverage beyond persuasion.  Kimberly Clark can't sue me for saying "pass the kleenix" when I am really mean any generic facial tissue.  When they persuade third parties to come to their defence (as you have for the former trademark 'Teletype'), they win a significant victory.  One of the things the quotation in question demonstrates is that the word 'teletype' was in the process of becoming a genericized trademark within a decade of its registration as a trademark. 75.175.222.251 (talk) 01:18, 7 October 2013 (UTC)


 * When Morkum and Kleinschmidt merged in 1925, no other teleprinter was being manufactured in the USA. This was also true in 1932. I'd be fascinated to know what other teleprinter aka Teletype machine the author was referencing if not a machine manufactured by Teletype Corporation.


 * Also, I don't need a lecture on trademarks.


 * I do recognize that this Wikipedia content we are striving to maintain and hopefully improve should reflect the proper usage of the terms used and if that term was a trademark at the time, the preferred usage is then Teletype and not teletype.


 * Also, I suggest that you delete the sentence, "In the early 1930's, a teletype (sic) system was installed along the transcontinental airway from New York to San Francisco." as its not necessary for the article. Teletype systems were installed earlier than the early 1930s and the earliest teleprinter system was installed in 1849. Perhaps, you can explain why the Teletype system that you added to the article is historically significant.Wa3frp (talk) 01:48, 7 October 2013 (UTC)


 * further research shows, via patent filings, that Printing Telegraph and Telegraph Typewriter were used in describing teleprinters. I cannot find any source that links "telephone" and typewriter.  That does make sense since the telephone and the teleprinter were not used together at this time, only later when modems were introduced.Wa3frp (talk) 13:45, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I've moved my response to Talk:Teleprinter Douglas W. Jones (talk) 19:32, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and a question
Thanks for your contributions at Lawrence W. Jones. I had entered him on the New Trier High School article as an alumnus, but that entry was reverted because yearbooks are not considered reliable sources. Do you have any suggestions to document his high school graduation with reliable secondary sources? I've run out of search ideas. Cheers! Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 05:46, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I can see how yearbooks aren't proof of graduation. The only other on-line source I can find is his LinkedIn page.  I'll hunt for better.  A good photo would be nice too.Douglas W. Jones (talk) 16:14, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of finding a photo. I've checked the National Labs (Fermilab and SLAC), as public domain photos are more likely on government sites,  but no luck so far. On several levels, it may seem silly to pursue documentation of his New Trier alumnus status, because his father taught at New Trier, which appears to be the only HS in the township, so it would be unlikely he attended anywhere else, and of course his baccalaureate and graduate work are the more significant educational accomplishments. But ironically, had I not included any reference, it probably would have just been flagged for a citation, like the entries for Michael Peskin and Martin Rocek. I maybe need to be more Zen about it... Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 19:11, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Jens Zorn at the University of Michigan physics department has photographed just about everyone on that faculty. He might be willing to donate one.  I discovered the the CERN photo archives contain a good photo of L.W. Jones and Sam Ting.  Unfortunately, their terms of use don't seem to be Wikipedia compatable.  There's also a good photo from 1963.  Also, he donated many of his own photos to the AIP, where they are available on-line for a price.  Some of those photos include him.Douglas W. Jones (talk) 23:44, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If the Michigan photographer is willing to provide a photo and an appropriate license that would be ideal. Thanks for pointing me to the AIP archives--there are some nice informal pictures there, and the one at CERN with Sam Ting was fun to see. Cheers! Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 00:50, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Tipples and rotary dump machines
Hi, You have attempted to link the Tipple article to rotary car dumper. The latter article only describes a machine used to unload a full-size railroad car, typically at a coal terminal or a power plant. In a tipple, a much smaller rotary machine is used to unload a mine car into a full-size railroad car. Currently we don't have a separate article describing the smaller rotary dump machine, and as such I have removed the link to the wrong article. There are some pictures of small rotary dump machines available at Commons: Category:Rotary tipples. Moreau1 (talk) 16:07, 24 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I have responded on the talk:Tipple page Douglas W. Jones (talk) 17:02, 24 June 2021 (UTC)