User talk:Dougrny

4/18 Someone removed and replaced Limbaugh/Chelsea entry.

The Ivins account can be viewed this way:

She indicates Limbaugh said ""Did you know there's a White House dog?" Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton" a Later she acknowledges a mix up with the picture. The question Ivins offers does not make sense if there was a mix-up with the picture, so her description must be false. (Ivins doesn't dispute the claim of a mix-up with the picture itself)

There is also no indication of first hand knowledge or source for Ivins.

Initial entry 4/17/07

Because of the recent Imus controversy, I got interested in the Rush Limbaugh called Chelsea a dog business. This is my first wiki edit. I have attempted to correct the record as I see it without eliminating the charge against Limbaugh.

The talk page is protected and I inadvertantly started making a comment here instead.

After searching the internet for a day or so, I found no evidence that Molly Ivens' version of 1995 is correct, so it would seem that the 1992 version is correct unless made up.

This issue can be analyize this way. In the Ivens and Francken version Limbaugh "put up a picture of Chelsea"

In the 1992 transcript version, the picture is a picture of a dog and mishap occurs.

There is no mishap in in the Ivens and Franken version because the picture is of Chelsea at the critical moment.

According to accounts, Franken's response to this is not that there was no mishap, but instead that it doesn't affect the issue of Limbaugh's crassness, because it could have been corrected on account of the show being taped.

If this is so, it is an admission by Franken that his account is wrong or he does not know. The Ivens account is in 1995 and contains no details beyond what's needed to make it's point and sound plausible to people who dislike Limbaugh.

The transcript version has been on the net for months and there is no sign of serious challenge to its authenticity. I found no claim that the transcript is unavailable for instance.