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John Elferink
-The information that was removed was not enhancing the piece and the tag was added for a reason that was not according to Wikipedia policies. With all due respect, review the policies before accusing other users of vandalism.DownUndr (talk) 16:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)DownUndr

Calvin O'Keefe
The problem with removing "In" from those paragraphs is that it completely ruins the grammar of the first sentence of each. Without it the book title is just tacked on at the beginning of the sentence instead of part of it. One can add a dash to separate it, as occurs in many similar sections in Wikipedia, but it results in a dangling participle in at least one case. Also, I see no reason to change the word "book" to "publication". It is a book. Publication is needlessly longer and less precise. I'll clean up the section with dashes and correct grammar and without the "In", but you may want to watch for these issues when making similar edits in the future. Thanks, and happy holidays! --Karen | Talk | contribs 03:37, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. I followed the format used in other listings of books, often naming the title and continuing with a synopsis of the content. I see what you mean about the dangling participle. There is also references in wiki-bios that substitute 'publication' for 'book', and you are correct that a book is a book is a book. Needless edits. Thanks and happy holidays to you.DownUndr (talk) 18:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)DownUndr

Addendum on book Vs. publication - not erroneous as you stated: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus - Cite This Source - Share This Main Entry:  book Part of Speech:  noun 1 Definition:  document Synonyms:  album, atlas, bestseller, bible, booklet, brochure, codex, compendium, copy, dictionary, dissertation, edition, encyclopedia, essay, fiction, folio, handbook, hardcover, leaflet, lexicon, magazine, manual, monograph, nonfiction, novel, octavo, offprint, omnibus, opus, opuscule, pamphlet, paperback, periodical, portfolio, preprint, primer, publication, quarto, reader, reprint, scroll, softcover, speller, text, textbook, thesaurus, tome, tract, treatise, volume, work, writingDownUndr (talk) 19:10, 26 December 2007 (UTC)DownUndr


 * A thesaurus lists words with similar meanings, but is no substitute for a dictionary. A "book" can refer to a magazine, leaflet, pamphlet or periodical, but not in common usage. "Publication" does include all of those concepts. It would be a rare person who would call Time Magazine a "book", whereas "publication" would be correct - and "periodical" and "magazine" would be more precise. I do not believe I called "publication" erroneous per se (and if I did it must have been through lack of sleep). That was just one of the changes I made in the edit, along with fixing a dangling participle and adding out-of-universe stuff. "Publication" is technically correct but less precise (rather like calling my dog an "animal"), and does not improve the reader's comprehension of the subject.  Indeed, it might make someone wonder whether the "publication" is something other than a book, such as a short story in a collection or magazine. Given that there are a few shorter works in the Austin family series, it could be a bit misleading, since A Ring of Endless Light is indeed a full length novel. No big deal, but precise is usually better unless there's a reason to use the alternate term.


 * Sorry if this bugged you. Happy New Year! --Karen | Talk | contribs 04:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Point well taken. Happy New Year to you too!DownUndr (talk)DownUndr

Flora Eldershaw
Hi there, I'm deleting the external link you put in for the ADB article as it is already listed under references. It's cited there the way ADB likes to be cited, ie under author of the article (in this case Dever). If you disagree with this action, please let me know, but I don't think we need to list it twice, do we? Cheers Sterry2607 (talk) 08:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

No, we don't need it twice but that entire section should be sorted- the references and external links are mixed into one category and that makes it hard to find related links to eldershaw. cheersDownUndr (talk) 23:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)DownUndr


 * Thanks for your response, DownUndr. I think we have different understandings of the headings External Links and References in Wiki articles. The way I use them is that under References I put any work (online or printed) that was used for (and usually cited in) the article. Under External Links, I put online sources that have not been used in the article but that provide further information for the user. Here is the Wiki guide to External Links WP:EL. It's probably open to some interpretation but the first couple of paras imply, if not state, that External Links are not for cited sources. I tend to follow the sort of style seen in the Feature Article for Natalie Clifford Barney: Notes contains the citations and other footnotes, References the list of all works cited or used in the article (most of which will be found referred to under Notes), and then External Links (online) and Further Reading (print) for additional sources of info. Wiki allows for a variety of approaches, I understand - you just have to be consistent within a particular article. OK? Happy to discuss further Sterry2607 (talk) 00:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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The article of Ern Mally does not cite reference in the wiki format and I will dispute any block that is put on my page. Every article needs sourcing, that is a standard.

Robert Hughes
Hi. I've taken issue on the talk page with your action in reverting my insertion of a cited reference to the 1961 exposé of plagiarism. I will consider any discussion before restoring the content which is demonstrably not actionable and may be a crucial (and thus notable) factor in Hughes's decision to leave Australia. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 08:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

One sentence does not = plagerism. The subject is your speculation of why the author left Australia. His reputation speaks for itself, and I don't think that a verbal fist fight on the Australian playground would make this man leave his country. I'm restoring my changes and will defer to proper sources if you decide to revert.


 * I have no interest in speculation, even if others have, as reported in Coombs's book. Respectable sources have been given for this material. The issue can be expanded into more detail, eg, by referring more fully to the Elizabeth Riddell article and other sources (which I currently don't wish to do.) Feel free to enter discussion at the talk page and explain your point of view as to why the 1961 revelations were/are unsubstantiated rubbish. Ideally, produce contrary citations rather than rely on your own unsubstantiated opinion in breach of WP guidelines. Bjenks (talk) 05:09, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It is against WP guidelines to include 'speculation' in biographies, as you seem to be inclined to do. Artists, writers, and other talents have been influenced by their peers and from other sources, especially in their youth, later forming their own styles. To say that one introduction is plagerism, and from a writer that an unknown is blasphemy and setting WP up for litigation. When you make an accusation of plagerism, you are getting into 'defamatory' territory and your argument doesn't add up. It appears as if you know this critic and want to settle some kind of score. Appropriation of illustrations is not uncommon, but it has to be removed 60 percent from the original art, and unless you can find the actual illustration, this is not a valid argument.
 * Your own comments are clearly speculative. However, I tend to agree that 'plagiarism' may be too harsh a word for pretentious juvenile imitations by one who, soon after, relinquished the particular creative pretensions and made an outstanding career as a critic and commentator. Nor do I relish any appearance as one trying to "settle a score". I've already noted that, according to the reliable sources, litigation for defamation was not pursued at the time of the original publicity. Bjenks (talk) 02:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

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Please do not add or change without verifying it by citing reliable sources. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the Robert Hughes (critic) article. ...Modernist (talk) 10:28, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Please discuss the issue here, thank you: ...Modernist (talk) 10:33, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Regarding your removal of the reference to Lucy Hughes Turnbull
Please respond to the discussion at Talk:Robert Hughes (critic). User:Churn and change 16:49, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced claims
I've reverted your edits yet again. At this point you've taken to longterm edit warring, and have refused to furnish reliable sources or discuss your edits at the article talk page, where I've begun this discussion. If this continues I'll ask for administrative assistance. JNW (talk) 21:35, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

November 2012
Please stop adding unsourced content. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. JNW (talk) 23:35, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. JNW (talk) 23:51, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Robert Hughes (critic). This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Dianna (talk) 01:05, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I am Dianna and I am an administrator on this wiki. The reason I removed your additions to the article is because Wikipedia has strict guidelines for content. For legal reasons, we are very strict about the quality of the sources and the type of content that is permitted. You did not quote any sources for the material you added. If you have a close connection to the subject of the article, you should not be editing it at all - that's what we call a conflict of interest. People who are close to the subject matter may not be able to edit in a neutrally worded manner, which is a requirement for us to maintain high standards and encyclopedic content. That is why I removed your recent addition to the article. Repeatedly adding your content in spite of the objections of other editors is called edit warring, which is against Wikipedia behavioural policy, and can result in a block. -- Dianna (talk) 01:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory or otherwise controversial content into an article or any other Wikipedia page, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. -- Dianna (talk) 02:39, 21 February 2013 (UTC) You have been blocked temporarily from editing for edit warring and violations of the biographies of living persons policy. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Dianna (talk) 04:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello DownUndr. Once your additions to an article have been challenged or removed by other editors, please don't re-add your content. What you need to do is go to the article talk page and discuss your proposed edit with other interested editors. We have rules about edit warring, because if we don't, only the most aggressive or persistent people end up editing the articles. That's not the kind of community we are trying to develop here. I am pretty sure you have a conflict of interest on the Robert Hughes article; in other words, I suspect you have a close personal connection with him. If that is the case, you should not be editing that article at all, because people who have a close connection to the subject tend to present only one side of the story. If you do have a conflict of interest, please do not edit the article any more; it's in contravention to one of our behavioural guidelines. Instead, you could propose amendments to the article on the talk page. On Wikipedia we hope to present a balanced encyclopedic view of the subject. Excessive detail about spouses and family members is not appropriate or encyclopedic. One of the editors has come up with a couple of sources and I am going to use them to try to improve the article and incorporate some of your ideas, but with sources. Once your block expires, you are welcome to join us, but only on the talk page. -- Dianna (talk) 17:45, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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Robert Hughes
Hello, DownUndr. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Robert Hughes (critic), you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

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Please familiarize yourself with relevant content policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. -- Dianna (talk) 01:13, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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Saturday Jan 25: Met 'Understanding America' Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art
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Feb 19: WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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March 18: First ever ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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April 22: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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Sat May 9: Symposium on Wikipedia and COVID-19
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 14:47, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

May 20: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 15:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

June 17: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 01:53, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Sun Aug 16: Great American Wiknic NYC & Beyond
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 22:28, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Sat Sep 26: Met Fashion Virtual Edit Meet-up
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 17:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

October 21: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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October 18: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC (plus weekend editathons)
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 17:56, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

December 16: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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Friday Jan 15: ONLINE Wikipedia Day NYC
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 14:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

February 17: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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Thursday Feb 25: ONLINE Black Wiki History Month at the Schomburg Center
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Sat Mar 6: Met Women's History Month Virtual Edit Meet-up
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== Sat Mar 13: Asia Art Archive in America: Art and Feminism Edit-a-thon ==

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March 17: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC with Wikimedia Community Ireland for St Patrick's Day
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April 21: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC with with Environmental focus
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May 19: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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June 16: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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July 14: Virtual Coney Island Meetup + NYC monthly collaboration
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Sat Aug 14: Wikimania Wiknic NYC
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 18:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

August 25: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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September 29: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon + Annual Members' Meeting NYC
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 * Prospect Park photo contest, ongoing
 * Latinx Art Wikipedia Edit-a-thon, October 6
 * Wiki-Pavilion Picnic NYC in Prospect Park (with WikiProject Craft + WikiConference North America), October 10

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Sunday: Wiki-Pavilion Picnic NYC (part of WikiConference NA, Oct 8-10)
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Dec 15: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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Saturday Feb 5: ONLINE Met Afrofuturist edit-a-thon (and monthlong campaign)
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 05:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikimedia NYC: Strategic Planning Survey for our community
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Feb 23: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 19:40, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Mar 27: Wiki-Tent Brunch in Brooklyn
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WikiWednesday tonight + Sunday Wiki-Tent Brunch
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 13:23, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Apr 24: Wiki-Picnic and WikiSeder in Brooklyn
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--Wikimedia New York City Team MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:47, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Apr 27: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 02:33, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

May 22: Wiki-Picnic and Hackathon in Brooklyn
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 02:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

May 25: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 00:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

NYC Wiknic, June 26
Hold the date. Meetup/NYC Wiknic in Crotona Park, Sunday June 26.

Watch Meetup/NYC/Wiknic June 2022 for further details as they become available.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:28, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

June 22: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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--Wikimedia New York City Team 14:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Sun June 26: Bronx Wiki-Picnic
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--Wikimedia New York City Team via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:44, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Thu July 14: Astoria Beer Garden Wiki-Picnic
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July 27: WikiWednesday Salon NYC (+Aug in-person for Wikimania)
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--Wikimedia New York City Team via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:44, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Fri/Sat/Sun Aug 12-14 with Saturday flagship Wiki World's Fair at Queens Museum
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Aug 24: WikiWednesday Salon NYC (+Sep annual meeting)
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Sep 28: Wikimedia NYC Annual Election/Members Meeting (+October 2 picnic)
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--Wikimedia New York City Team via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:38, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Sun Oct 2: WikiNYC Post-Election Wiki-Picnic
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Sat Oct 29: Wikidata Day in NYC
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--Wikimedia New York City Team via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:03, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Sat Nov 12: WikiConference North America in NYC
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Nov 30: WikiWednesday Salon in Brooklyn + online
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Dec 28: WikiWed Salon (+ Wikipedia Day on Jan 15)
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Sun Jan 15: Wikipedia Day returns to NYC!
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--Wikimedia New York City Team via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:48, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Feb 15: WikiWednesday Salon in Brooklyn
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--Wikimedia New York City Team via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:51, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Mar 8: WikiWednesday Salon by Grand Central
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Apr 12 WikiWednesday + Earth Week (Apr 15-23)
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Sat: Earth Day Edit-a-thon + Sun: Wiki-Picnic
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--Wikimedia New York City Team via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:36, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

May 17: WikiWednesday Salon + Queering Wikipedia
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June 21: WikiWednesday Salon back in Manhattan!
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July 19 WikiWednesday + New York Botanical Garden Edit-a-thon (July 29)
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WikiWednesday (Aug 23) and Governors Island Wiki-Picnic (Sun Aug 27)
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Sunday: NYC Wiki-Picnic @ Gov Island
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Sep 20: Wikimedia NYC Annual Election Meeting
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Sun Oct 1: NYC Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023
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Wiki.NYC Pavilion for Open House New York (Oct 21–22) and Wikidata Day (Oct 29)
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--Wikimedia New York City Team via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:00, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Nov 15: WikiWednesday Salon + Wikimedia NYC Executive Director job
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Wed Dec 6: Hacking Night + job listing
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Thu Jan 4: Hacking Night + Wikipedia Day soon
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Thu Feb 8 NYC Hacking Night + Feb 21 WikiWednesday
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--Wikimedia New York City Team via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:13, 5 February 2024 (UTC)