User talk:Download/Archives/2012/June

Spaces next to pipes
Hi. You recently edited Crown group, replacing sauropod dinosaurs by sauropod dinosaurs. Would you explain? I have always put a space before pipes, and usually afterwards as well, to better separate pieces of text with very different functions. Though no subsequent editor will really be confused, I do think it clearer if I make it quite obvious that the link is to Sauropoda with "sauropod dinosaur" as the text to be shown rather than to sauropod with "dinosaur" as the text. Is there some stylistic convention I should be aware of? Peter M. Brown (talk) 18:49, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Peter, Yep - I think it is pretty much standard not to include a space on either side of the pipe. I just took a look at Manual of Style/Linking and it appears that that is the convention - I must also admit that I've almost never seen spaces being used; I think it might also cause an extra space to be displayed in the text.   -  down  load  ׀  talk  23:14, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Apatosaurus was a sauropod dinosaur.
 * Apatosaurus was a sauropod dinosaur.


 * Spaces around a pipe do not cause an extra space to be displayed. Your link leads to a section on interwiki links, not relevant here. In the examples on the MOS page, spaces admittedly do not occur before pipes except in the context of a template, but there is no indication that this is a convention; it simply reflects the stylistic preference of the page's author.  My preference differs: I think it better form to include a space. Your deleting it is not a fix. Peter M. Brown (talk) 14:25, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, my bad. Here is a more relevant link: Piped link.  While it in no way states that you must avoid using spaces, I've seen piped links being used without spaces in almost every instance - but it shouldn't be a problem if you want to use spaces for clarity.  By the way, it's worth pointing out that AutoWikiBrowser does such "genfixes" automatically.   -  down  load  ׀  talk  22:57, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking at AutoWikiBrowser, I note that the user is to "Avoid making insignificant or inconsequential edits such as only adding or removing some white space. . . ." Now, along with eight deletions of spaces I had put around pipes, your edit did catch a nontrivial error: I had duplicated a word.  Had I not made that mistake (and I generally study previews very carefully), would the white space around my pipes been protected by that rule? Peter M. Brown (talk) 00:14, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It would depend on the user's settings. Under my settings I have it set to automatically skip the edit if only whitespace is changed or the edits are only minor genfixes.   -  down  load  ׀  talk  02:02, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Penis Enlargement
What are you doing to the article? What do you mean clear COI, specifically. 108.13.103.192 (talk) 07:31, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Enough.  - down  load  ׀  talk  23:01, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Union of chambers of Turkish engineers and architects
Nedim Ardoğa (talk)
 * Replied and working on it.  - down  load  ׀  talk  18:23, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Your food barnstar logo
Hello Download!

The Vietnamese Wikibooks community is planning to use your logo for featured recipes. We would be overjoyed if you make another one for our former featured recipes. Thank you very much :) AmieKim (talk) 02:24, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Amie, Sorry I didn't notice this message earlier.  Are you guys looking for a new version of the barnstar?  And if so, what are you looking for?  -  down  load  ׀  talk  17:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, glad to hear from you. Currently I want the star colour to be yellow to fit with the other two. If possible, I want it to have a laurel wreath too. Thank you :) AmieKim (talk) 02:26, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * How is this? My graphic design skills are far worse than they were a few years ago. :p Sorry about the low resolution of the wreath; I pulled it from the already existing image.  Featured food barnstar.png  -  down  load  ׀  talk  02:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's far more better! Can you make its yellow a little brighter? AmieKim (talk) 03:26, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have uploaded a new version. How is it now?  -  down  load  ׀  talk  03:49, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * One last tweak: I think the semicirle inside the disk should be bolder, and yellow as well :) Thanks for your kind help AmieKim (talk) 04:42, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you sure about that? :P It is the same color as the other two images.  - down  load  ׀  talk  04:45, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I notice that there is a pale sickle-shaped semicircle on the white plate (not the grey one behind the star). I'm pretty sure I want it to be so. AmieKim (talk) 07:58, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. How is it now?  - down  load  ׀  talk  19:23, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's find now :) Thank you for your hard work! AmieKim (talk) 01:23, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. :)  - down  load  ׀  talk  03:07, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Vandals Attack Cushie Butterfield
When you first start editing and adding external links to Wikipedia and you find out that you're unwittingly breaking protocol, then it's beneficial to get feedback pointing out your errors, and setting you on the right path. However, the feedback from Wikipedia can be more than a little overbearing and off-putting.

This morning, I added a Youtube video to Wikipedia's Cushie Butterfield (song) page, and to distinguish it from Owen Brannigan's Youtube video already on that page, which was not attributed to Owen Brannigan, I added Brannigan's name to that entry.

Hence, I am accused by Wikipedia of vandalism and given a warning. In my mind, I was adding a small but significant piece of information to the page. But, I was wrong. I'm guilty of two counts of violation - adding a self-serving video link (to a version of the song that comes up second on a YouTube search), and making the Owen Brannigan insert.

Unfortunately, I added a couple of videos to other sites - all to do with Geordie dialect and song - and trod on more toes.

I know that there are many people out there causing serious problems all across the Internet. But I'm browsing and contributing with respect to my hobby, my interest in dialect and song, and I'm instantly being accused of acting with malice - a vandal getting his warning in the form of a diatribe.

Given up on it. Taking the dog for a walk. Such a sunny day and why am I on the computer anyway? While I'm out, perhaps I'll chat with neighbours about how the grafitti clean up and mural campaign is going.

First time I've used this talk page - not sure how to view responses. Davegeordiewilson (talk) 15:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Dave, I just took a look at your talk page and the automated messages do seem a bit biting. I apologize if they somehow discouraged you to contribute to Wikipedia.  Unfortunately on Wikipedia YouTube links are in most cases considered unnecessary, and since many spammers add links to YouTube to promote their own videos, there are measures in place to prevent their addition.  Please do feel free to link to any other sites that you feel are of importance and necessary for certain pages.  This page may help you: External links.   -  down  load  ׀  talk  17:08, 22 June 2012 (UTC)