User talk:Dpapa187

Speedy deletion nomination of A.G. Leventis Nigeria Plc


A tag has been placed on A.G. Leventis Nigeria Plc, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an acceptable page. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item G11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this page is not blatant advertising,. Clicking that button will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit |the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. You are welcome to edit the page to fix this problem, but please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. As well as removing promotional phrasing, it helps to add factual encyclopaedic information to the page, and add citations from independent reliable sources to ensure that the page will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Mean as custard (talk) 09:55, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia
I think you are mistaking what Wikipedia is and what it isn't. Wikipedia is not social media or a directory where anyone can have a page. It is an encyclopaedia. Not every person or company will get an article here. For companies, you need to read WP:CORP which is our policy on notability for companies. Then read WP:RS about the reliable AND independent sources you need to provide to prove the notability. I have deleted the article mainly because you did not show any notability, but Mean as Custard was correct in tagging for advertising or promotion. We do not want articles that say things like "BloggsCo is a company in Houston that makes widgets. For more info please visit bloggsco.bix.br". That lookse like a way of getting people to BloggsCo's website - and that is promotion. If we have an article about a company, it must tell about the company (without being promotional), it must show that the company is worthy of a place in an encyclopaedia, and it must be referenced outside the company website. Sometimes articles slip through, or there are articles about companies in the same line that do pass our policies. - please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. We catch up with the ones that don't belong sooner or later. Peridon (talk) 12:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

OK understood. Could someone help me write this article in the way that it shoulD?
Please find it at my drafts... don't know how to share it with you....

Could you please check this page and approve it please?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dpapa187/A.G._Leventis_Nigeria_Plc

I've done a rough draft of my work and article. Please feel free to edit and comment so i can get a clear picture on what i have to do next? .. How do i get this published?
 * Hello, Dpapa187! I had a look a the draft in your userspace, which is here. This will never be accepted as an article, for two reasons. The most important problem is that it is entirely cut-and-pasted from other sources. This is a copyright violation, and Wikipedia is very strict about not allowing copyright violations. The second problem is that the conglomerate does not appear to pass Wikipedia's criteria for a business to be included here. The rule is that the company must have been written ABOUT by independent third-party reliable sources. Every reference you have in the article is from the company's own website, so they do not count for notability. I did find a Bloomberg profile but by itself that is probably not enough for notability. However, it seems like there ought to be a place here for a large company like this that is is nearly 80 years old. So I have a suggestion for you: instead of trying to get a standalone article, which will probably not fly, write a paragraph about the company (in your own words mind you! and with independent references like the Bloomberg link), and insert it as a section in the article about its founder, Anastasios George Leventis. Write the draft paragraph in your user space (in place of the article draft you have there), and let me take a look at it before you add it to the article about Mr. Leventis. Once that is in place, you can create a redirect under the name "A.G. Leventis (Nigeria) Plc"; then if people click on the redirect it will lead them to the article about Mr. Leventis. Let me know if you would like to pursue this option and I will help you with it. By the way, I notice that you tried three times to insert the name of the company into the article List of companies of Nigeria. Don't do that! Making the same edit three or more times is called edit warring. That's a no-no here and it can get you blocked from editing, so don't do it. --MelanieN (talk) 14:27, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 10:09, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Your new draft
Hello, User:dpapa187, and thanks for showing me your new draft. It is much better written than the first one; you have put it in your own words and taken care of the copyright violation problem. But the other problem remains: lack of independent references. According to Wikipedia's requirements for an article about a company, there has to be significant coverage about the company from independent reliable sources. The only outside reference you have is Bloomberg Businessweek, and although that's better than nothing, it will probably not be enough for the company to be considered notable. It is not significant coverage, in the sense of independent sources (newspapers and such) writing ABOUT the company. I could not find any coverage like that in a search. Can you find anything? We need articles about the company, from newspapers or other independent sources (not press releases). If you can find and link to news articles about the company, that is what it needs. If you have examples of coverage but don't know how to link it, let me know and I will help you. Because I have a hunch that this company does deserve an article, if we can just find the coverage to support it. You can submit this article if you want, but I have to warn you that it will probably get speedy-deleted again for lack of independent references. As I said before, even if there is not enough coverage available for a standalone article, you could put a paragraph about the company into the article about Mr. Leventis without anyone objecting.

Also you need to read Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy. You are not forbidden from writing about your own company, but it is discouraged. You have done a good job of writing an article which is neutral and not promotional. But just because you "need to get this out for the company" doesn't mean that Wikipedia is necessarily going to accept the article. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and it has its own standards for inclusion. Please explain that to whoever is telling you to write a Wikipedia article about the company.

You can reply here on your own talk page; I will see it. That way we can keep our conversation in one place.--MelanieN (talk) 13:12, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok Melanie, thanks, will find those links, i do believe there is a few i can find. Thanks for your help :)


 * Another thing, Dpapa187 please sign your comments by typing four tides ( ~ ). Thank you.    J i m Carter  ( talk ) 05:38, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

dpapa187
Ok. I think i have bombarded the article with enough references for us to go live. I believe i found the relevant article references you have mentioned. Could you please confirm? Trying to do this the proper way. I appreciate all the help.

First time working with wikipedia.

Regards

Demetris Dpapa187 (talk) 09:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

dpapa187
any update on my situation?

--MelanieN

Dpapa187 (talk) 09:47, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello! Sorry for the delay in responding, I was out of town. I'll need to put those references into a form where I can see them, and decide which ones are appropriate. Then we need to cite them properly, as footnotes to support information in the article itself, rather than as little numbers at the bottom. First let me take a look at them and see if they are what we needed; if so I'll tell you how to cite them. --MelanieN (talk) 14:19, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, good. A couple of those references are from Independent Reliable Sources, which is what we needed. I think it would almost be easier for me to cite them myself, at least a couple of them, to show you what a cited reference looks like. I will delete the reference to the Wikipedia page - we can't use Wikipedia as a reference - but we don't need it. And I will add some of the references as cited footnotes inside the article. And then we'll see what we have. --MelanieN (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * There! I fixed your references and tidied up the article. Please check to make sure I didn't make any mistakes in what the article says. It is probably ready for submission now. --MelanieN (talk) 15:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

--dpapa187

Hi Melanie, thank you so much for the help.

The article looks good. We really appreciate the help. Could you please make sure we are added on that list of Nigerian Conglomerates. Its important we're shown in the list as well. Thank you in advance.

--dpapa187 (talk)


 * That would be appropriate after the article is accepted as an article. I see it is pending review right now. --MelanieN (talk) 14:31, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

dpapa187
MelanieN i would like your help in the article i'm trying to fix again. Can you see it anywhere?I'll need help with the footers, since they deleted the full on article with everything in it! --dpapa187 (talk)

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OK, it has been accepted - congratulations! I cleaned it up and dealt with some issues that had been tagged for improvement. It is now on the list as you wished, and is linked to from several other articles. --MelanieN (talk) 17:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of A.G. Leventis Nigeria Plc


A tag has been placed on A.G. Leventis Nigeria Plc requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article or image appears to be a clear copyright infringement. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://www.agleventis.com/About/ag-leventis-in-general/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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 * Oops! Gone again. Looks like there was still too much that was copied from the company's web page. If you want to try again, you could ask the administrator who deleted it, WilyD, to restore it to you in draft status. There you could work on rewording it until you are sure none of it is copied or closely paraphrased. Then before you submit it again you should ask advice about whether it is now OK. You might ask the person above, Josve05a, since they seem to have a good eye for copyvio. If they say it is OK, you should then ask WilyD if it is OK for you to restore it. The reason I suggest asking for advice: if an article is speedy-deleted several times and keeps getting recreated, the next time it is speedy-deleted it might get "salted"; that would prevent anyone from ever creating that article again. --MelanieN (talk) 15:31, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

--dpapa187

What happened here guys? I don't get it? I'm so confused. I thought this article was reviewed and all was good. You even saw it. This has caused me some problems. could you please help me get this on again. Wikipedia is a little confusing and not used to this system.

--dpapa187 (talk)


 * A bunch of the text was copied from here: http://www.agleventis.com/About/ag-leventis-in-general/ - Wikipedia is licensed under the GNU Free Document Licence and the Creative Commons Share-alike Attributive licence, and so anything that goes into it needs to be compatible with that. WP:COPYOTHERS has more details, but the text is a bit dense. Wily D  11:18, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

--dpapa187 I'm still confused on what i'm supposed to do. Please be more clear. I need to know what i have to do so i can get this back on. Could you place it in draft view so i can fix the problems needed to be fixed?

--dpapa187 (talk)


 * Err, no, I can't - the text belongs to someone else, which prohibits Wikipedia from hosting it at all. All the text that goes into the article needs to be licensed under the GNU Free Document Licence and the Creative Commons Share-alike Attributive licence, so you need to write it, so you own it, so you can license it under those terms (which very roughly say anyone can take it and reuse for anything they like, including changing it in any way they see fit, so long as they list you as the author, and license whatever they do under the same terms).


 * In very brief, everything needs to be written freshly, in your own words, without copying or paraphrasing anyone else. Wily D  14:19, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I guess I should have checked for copyvio more carefully when I looked at your draft. Articles do go through multiple reviews here, and what one person misses might get caught by a later person. Your first version had been deleted because it was copied, so I thought you understood about the need to use your own words. Here's what needs to happen: You must NOT COPY anything, not even a single whole sentence, from your source. You need to read what the source says, and then say it in your own words, different words. Arrange things in different order. Use multiple sources and combine what they say into a new, original version. EXPLAIN what the source said, rather than repeating it. Copy-and-paste is not allowed.


 * What WilyD is saying here is that you have to start over. You can't use the version that contains copied material. Just write an article, starting fresh. --MelanieN (talk) 14:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of A.G. Leventis Nigeria Plc


A tag has been placed on A.G. Leventis Nigeria Plc, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. SFK2 (talk) 10:12, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Dpapa187


A tag has been placed on User:Dpapa187, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  11:35, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... PLEASE STOP DELETING, i'm following the rules. Or trying to do so. Please check my TALK PAGE! there is major history between my tries to get this up and running! Stop making it complicated for me, and help me by editing it proeperly. I'm using other "legit conglomerates" as an idea, since they have been approved by wikipedia.! I need someone to help me through this and not someone to delete my WORK! --Dpapa187 (talk) 11:37, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because... I hear your reasons, but the article was written in my own words!! the first article i did wasn't..the second was, and then the third and last one that GOT DELETED off the servers wasn't it was correct. And it followed the guidelines. If you could retrieve it you could see it. Now again, this is an article, i'm not spamming with advertising, i'm following the steps. There is no other way of informing about the prodcts and services. I don't get it...really. --~dpapa187Dpapa187 (talk)

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Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because the user is making a good faith effort to build a Wikipedia page about a subject that may well be notable enough for an article; in effect they are using this page as their sandbox. IMO they should be given the chance to rewrite and develop the article so that it is in their own words and properly sourced. --MelanieN (talk) 13:56, 26 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Dpapa, you MUST UNDERSTAND that you cannot copy material from the company page to make an article. I thought you understood that by now. It is not enough for you to change a word here and there. You must write the article from scratch in your own words. It might be better if you write your draft OFFLINE, and then put it here to work on. --MelanieN (talk) 14:05, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I see that they are not going to allow you to keep that material here even temporarily while you work on it. DON'T put that copied material back on Wikipedia again. First write a version that is not in the company's words but your own words, and then bring it here for improvement. --MelanieN (talk) 14:09, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Melanie, i haven't used any wording from anywhere! Its made up from us! you can check. That's whats crazy about this. I haven't done any copy pasting from anywhere. Dpapa187 (talk) 14:45, 26 June 2014 (UTC) dpapa187 Dpapa187 (talk) 14:45, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "It's made up from us" does not make it acceptable. The wording you used was almost identical to the wording at the company page they cited. That's a copyright violation. Period. You're not allowed to copy-paste, not even from your own website. It doesn't matter if the linked page belongs to the company; it doesn't matter if somebody in the company tells you you can use it; we are still not allowed to use it here. Wikipedia takes copyright issues very seriously, not only because we don't want to use other people's material without permission, but because putting it into Wikipedia in effect invalidates the other person's copyright. Everything at Wikipedia is freely allowed to be copied by others, so we have to make sure it does not come from any other source but Wikipedia itself. Don't do this again. If you keep trying to create an article which contains copying, there is a chance the name of the company could get "salted" as an article title; that means no article about the company would EVER be allowed here. If you can't write an ORIGINAL piece about the company - original meaning it was written from scratch by you, Dpapa, and not taken from company sources - then you should stop trying to have an article here. --MelanieN (talk) 15:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)