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Powderfinger
Hi! I've just reverted the adjustments you made to the Powderfinger page. I'm sorry because I know it looks like you spent a while doing all of that. I'd like to explain why I've done this. The sales amounts you've notes are extremely assumptive. An ARIA Platinum certification does indicate 70,000 units, howeverthis is inshore sales only. It doesnt take into consideration overseas sales, so the amounts are in some cases very distant to their actual sales. Internationalist, for instance, sold half again of its Australian sales overseas, however these did not affect the Australian certification.

The other main thing I see that you changed was the singles. You removed the qutation marks. The reason that they're there to begin with is because that's to do with Wikipedia's standard. Although it's in a list of singles, the expectation is that songs appear in quotation marks and all albums appear in italics while musical artists, and any people or groups for that matter, are displayed normally without quotes or alternative formatting. This is all laid out in the WP:ALBUMS project guideline in the Track listing section of the page.

Sorry to have you do all that and then for me to revert, but it didn't fit the Manual of Style.

-- linca linca  09:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I understand completely your intent to expand on the information, however I was simply explaining that the sales figures there are presumptuous. An encyclopedia provides as accurate as possibly information. If you're talking album sales and can't be more specific than "greater than" figures, the figure should sinply not be stated. A certification of sales provides this as preemptive information, making stating the actual sales applicable, but if you just "presume" the sales are whatever amount, you're doing no more than multiplying the certification by the amount of sales required to achieve the certification, which is tautology, in a sense. There's no point expanding an article if all the expansion yields in replication of data from somewhere else in the article. Unless you can find a source providing exact amounts of what the sales were (even if it's cumulative or domestic and international, that's fine.
 * -- linca linca  12:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry if you don't understand what I'm saying, but if what I've said already, in addition to providing you with the relevant policies, then I don't know what to advise you. All I can say is that there are some basics that are standard on Wikipedia. It's superfluous to re-iterate some information, such as explaining what record certifications are (you'll find that the ARIA definition of platinum is located on their page). Some cases it may be notable to note the exact amount of album sales, but generally, it's suitable to simply state the certification and leave it at that. As I've said before, unless you can be specific to, say, the nearest 10,000 or so units, it's not a reliable enough source to note what that amount is. It's not commonplace, but I'll accept it if you can find the amount of each and a reliable, relevant web citation for the amount. I don't know of a general warehouse for that kind of information here in Australia, but for NZ for instance, you have charts.co.nz which, though not much help for Powderinger, gives you an idea of the reliability I'm talking about. Just so you know, the Thirsty Merc debut album Thirsty Merc (album) sold 124,000 units, and this fact is echoed in the band's own website on their bio page (mind you, it states "over 120,000 domestic units", but that's by the by) but the fact is unrequired. As this is a fact that makes the album a platinum album, I've noted on their page that it is a platinum album, but have left out the amount of units sold, as its simply an unrequired fact, alike to chart figures being provided (chart trajectories are not allowed on pages unless it serves a purpose greater than simply illustrating when an album went into and out of the charts).
 * -- linca linca  12:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

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