User talk:Dr. B. R. Lang

A new start
Dr Lang, I have moved the old contents of your talk page to /Archive, removed the mainspace informational boxes from your user page and deleted the "proposed article" page, since the consensus at the noticeboard discussion is that it represents an end-run around our deletion policy - please see WP:CSD.

I have taken these actions because the disputes over your trying to create an autobiographical article, along with various disputes resulting from your point of view in respect of various issues which are matters of long-standing dispute, have resulted in a situation where it's going to be quite hard for you to contribute without continued strife.

So, by making your user page more obviously a user page, and by archiving past disputes while leaving them visible for transparency, I am trying to help you to make what might be considered a fresh start. Wikipedia is always looking for editors who can help to add good quality, neutral content with citations from reliable independent sources. I see that you are a physician and that you are committed to doing work for the public good. This should be a good fit for Wikipedia, provided you can remember to check your baggage at the door and respect the opinions of others with whom you might have philosophical differences.

I would like to suggest to you that you look to edit in areas where you have professional expertise and uncontroversial opinions - I am surer there are many articles around the area of primary care that could do with the kind of care you lavished on your proposed article, and there may be many important figures from the history of the mainstream medical bodies whose articles could do with expansion.

I hope you will find these suggestions welcome, please feel free to ask me any questions on my talk page. Guy (Help!) 15:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Bruce Rusty Lang article
Help me write the Bruce Rusty Lang article. If there is sufficient information suitable for Wikipedia, I will write an article. See User talk:Dr. B. R. Lang/proposed article. Chergles (talk) 18:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your consideration and effort. I'll get some additional information and references together to add to it.  I appreciate your eiditorial input and objectivity.  Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 20:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your effort. However, it is sorely lacking references.  Has there been any news articles or even alumni news written about you?  (I presume it's you). Chergles (talk) 21:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you again for your effort. I am very reluctant to edit this into mainspace in its current form.   There is too much unreferenced material.  Unlike an autobiography, Wikipedia requires references.  If you do it, some administrator may try to block you for it. Chergles (talk) 23:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand, and I thank you for your effort and input. You're welcome to edit it down to whatever is better.  I've added additional info knowing that it would be edited. I still intend to expand it when I find more references.  The autobiogarphical excess serves as a personal template for some other work I'm doing.  It's helping to jog my recollection of the chronology of distant life events.  One thing I'm still looking for is ref. to when I walked out on strike with other employees for higher wages from the Dallas Morning News when I was 15 years old (I was working there underage illegally).  The case went to the Supreme Court, and we won, but I was in Viet Nam by then.  Thanks again!  I appreciate your interest and work.  Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 14:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll also keep looking. Eventually, we'll have enough references to have some article.  Chergles (talk) 21:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The draft of the article you proposed has been moved to: User:Dr. B. R. Lang/proposed article. It is currently in the Administrator's forum, receiving further edits. Thanks again; I appreciate your input and contributions. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 01:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Moving on
Dr. Lang, I thought the note I left and the tone of the discussion on the admin board was sufficiently clear. The article you propose is not compliant with our sourcing and notability policies, and to continue to agitate for an essentially autobiographical article is unlikely to play well with the community. People are being very careful to be polite, but the answer is unambiguous. I have suggested ways in which you can exercise your desire to help Wikipedia, and which will be less controversial. People have been polite and kind and tried not to bite you, and as a result you may be misreading the signals. The signals are that this article is not going to fly. Please choose a subject other than yourself to write about. Guy (Help!) 15:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

August 2008
Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Toddst1 (talk) 02:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your note. I did not add any commentary to that article, but in good-faith I did add links within the 'See Also' paragraph of Infanticide to the related articles on Massacre of the Innocents and Abortion.  I did not notice any mention or clarification of the two links elsewhere in the article, other than the image of the Massacre of the Innocents fresco at the article's introduction.  I appreciate your input.  Thanks again. Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 10:58, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

In a recent edit, you changed one or more words from one international variety of English to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.

For subjects exclusively related to Britain (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to other English-speaking countries, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the appropriate variety of English used there. If it is an international topic, use the same form of English the original author used.

In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to the other, even if you don't normally use the version the article is written in. Respect other people's versions of English. They in turn should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the Manual of Style. If you have any queries about all this, you can ask me on my talk page or you can visit the help desk. ''Organisation is correct, unless you're American. The organization is not American.'' Toddst1 (talk) 02:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You are correct about the spelling, and your point is well made and appreciated. However, I only added a "Z" in the spelling of a redirect for the sake of American users.  There is also a link established to the article from the "SCO" acronym disambiguation page.  The infobox in this article also uses the "organization" spelling, and I noticed that some other contributor attempted to change the spelling in different areas of the article, but I agree with you that it should stand as it is.  Thanks for your input an interest.  Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 10:58, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Userpage content
Hello, Dr. B. R. Lang. Your user-page User:Dr. B. R. Lang appears not to be in compliance with the WP:UP guideline since it contains excessive amount of personal information. WP:UP explicitly lists the following as an example of inappropriate userpage content: "3. Excessive personal information (more than a couple of pages) unrelated to Wikipedia". Your userpage is well above that in length and all of the info there is about your personal information rather than about your Wikipedia contributions. Please bring your userpage in compliance with WP:UP. While Wikipedia users are given fairly wide lattitude in managing their userpages, in unambiguous cases of noncompliance with WP:UP a user-page may eventually be deleted. Thank you, Nsk92 (talk) 04:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Second iteration
Please be advised that wikipedia user pages are just an another tool to serve wikipedia. By no means wikipedia is a web hosting service for your personal webpage. It may reasonably include various personal information which may help other editors understand your editing preferences end expertise, and thus make cooperation easier. But what I see in your user page in my opinion fails to comply with the guidelines from User page.

Please trim your personal information to an extent reasonably useful for wikipedia purposes. Mukadderat (talk) 00:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

P.S. On a personal note, I am quite impressed with your eventful life, although your genealogy leaves a gist of hoax... Mukadderat (talk) 00:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I second this. We have discussed this in detail, Dr Lang, and you have been told that Wikipedia is not a free web host or a vehicle for self-promotion.  You need to start making meaningful non-promotional contributions to the encyclopaedia or your user page will most likely be deleted. Guy (Help!) 06:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Dr. B. R. Lang
User:Dr. B. R. Lang, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dr. B. R. Lang and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:Dr. B. R. Lang during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Nsk92 (talk) 20:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC) Nsk92 (talk) 20:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC) ---

Project 404
Dr. Lang,

I am presently working on Air Force covert operations in Laos here in Wikipedia. I once worked for the air attache's office as an intel specialist at about the same time you were in Laos.

I wish to clear up some details before I proceed, as I do not wish to unnecessarily edit or distort your work. Also, I am seeking internal consistency between Wikipedia articles.

It was my understanding that Palace Dog was a USAF umbrella operation that included Project 404 and Raven FACs. The former was numbered so that it would appear to be a routine supply operation; the latter was call-signed to appear an operation within South Vietnam.

In reading the Wikipedia article you wrote on Project 404, you made it appear an army operation. Security conditions being what they were in Laos, Project 404 may have been multi-service and not strictly Air Force run. However, I wonder what authority you can quote for it's being at least partially Army-run?

Georgejdorner (talk) 23:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi George. Thanks for your interest, and for your note.  Project 404 was an operation under  U.S. Ambassador Sullivan which included both Army and Air Force military attaches.  I was an assistant Army Attache (ARMA)and I provided communications liason assistance to both the ARMA & Air Force attache (AIRA) working out of Long Tieng, Laos (LS-20A). Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 21:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Bill Queen
Hi. I noticed that you created the article Bill Queen and mention that he died on January 15, 2009. I cannot, however, find any sources to this effect. Could you provide one? Thanks and Cheers, CP 20:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * His family is still trying to arrange his funeral, etc. His comrades in the Special Forces community are the primary source, and so far we know that Pastor Bill Rimondi (mentioned on Bill Queen's page draft) is unable to attend his funeral.  As soon as some outside source publishes his obituary I'll add it. Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 00:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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Note
Dr. B. R. Lang, I see that you've been putting more and more information into the description of File:Gerald Hamilton 2008.jpg. I appreciate the effort that you're putting in, and am sympathetic to the emotions involved, considering that Mr. Hamilton just recently passed away. I mean no disrespect, but this really isn't what Wikipedia is for, especially because the image is not being used in any articles, and no sources are being provided to allow verification of the information. A better place for this information might be at the genealogy wikia, have you taken a look? If not, I highly recommend it: http://genealogy.wikia.com --Elonka 17:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Dear Elonka, Thank you. That's an outstanding suggestion.  I sincerely apreciate it, and I shall follow up on that when time permits.  It is interesting that you perceived emotions involved in the drafting of the info text with that photo.  I usually think of my writing as being overly technical or dull.  I'm doing this as a hobby, and learning as I go.  Right now my time is filled with obligations in Dallas and Nashville.  My computer, hard drive info, and other office equipment in Nashville were all recently misappropriated, so the infomation I've attached to that photo has been added piece-meal to the photo from different locations in Texas and Tennessee.  Again, I appreciate your kind note and input.  Thanks, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 00:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome. As for the emotion I perceived, it wasn't so much because of the writing, which is in the proper tone.  Instead, I noticed that you had been creating several articles about veterans, and especially when writing about a veteran who recently died, this often (not always) indicates an emotional commitment, and a desire to memorialize.  It's a worthy goal, though sometimes Wikipedia is not the best place to achieve it.  BTW, as regards the pages that were deleted, if you would like me to retrieve the deleted information and send it to you so you can put it on wikia, I would be happy to help with this.  That way you wouldn't need to re-write everything!  Let me know, --Elonka 18:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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question
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2010 United States Census
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Green Beret
Hello Doctor - I cam across a photo of yours in which you appear to be wearing a Special Forces Patch? Were you / Are you a green beret ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.237.113 (talk) 19:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

....... Yes, I was. The Special Forces patch ("Flash") in that photo is the USA 6th Special Forces Group. 21:54, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

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