User talk:DrJacobFischer

Managing conflicts of interest
Hello, DrJacobFischer. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Osteopathy, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the request edit template);
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Conflict of interest);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Spam);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 22:48, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your concern. I am an osteopathic physician and am well versed in the history and practice of osteopathy. I do not have any conflicts of interest as I am not selling anything on this site nor am I (or any of my affiliates) being featured in any links I have provided. I am simply correcting misinformation about the profession and giving substantiated reasoning and research articles so that people are not misinformed about what osteopathy is and how it is performed.
 * I request that my edits be reinstated. If you think what I have written is incorrect or misleading, I ask that you visit all of my sources and we can have a discussion on why some of the things written before are outdated and misleading.
 * I am concerned that the people who wrote this article before me also had non-disclosed COI and were misrepresenting osteopathy in favor of allopathic medicine. This happens a lot in our western medical system and it is unsubstantiated and marginalizes other techniques (backed by peer reviewed science) for caring for patients. DrJacobFischer (talk) 22:59, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Modern Osteopathic Medicine is allopathic medicine. If you continue to maintain that old paradigm of enmity between MDs and DOs, then you are a living demonstration of why Osteopathic medical schools and training do more harm than good because they create confusion and teach some old ideas that should have been dead a long time ago. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 02:11, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Modern osteopathic physicians are trained in allopathic and osteopathic medicine, but osteopathic medicine is not the same as allopathic medicine. I have no animosity between MD vs DO and I have not said anything to place one degree over another. Both physicians play different and very important roles in our healthcare system.
 * I am curious what your background is to speak so definitively about how it is. Who am I speaking to? Are you an MD or DO? Are you a medical history enthusiast? I see that you have written/contributed to articles on joint manipulation and chiropractics, but I am curious where your confidence on "how the medical field is" comes from. Osteopathy in the form of osteopathic manipulative treatment (OMT) is very much still practiced in our healthcare system here in America and it recognized by hostpital systems, insurance companies and health clinics throughout our country. The "osteopaths" as you say that are not America DOs are still practicing under this paradigm and I am not sure why what they do is considered pseudoscience, but when a DO does it it is now recognized.
 * People look up osteopathy on wikipedia to learn about DOs and the initial landing page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathy) is a page detailing the quackery of these methods even though DOs are prevelant and recognized in our society. If you have supreme authority over this article then what are your suggestions for making it clear that the "osteopathy" wiki page is about a completely different thing that has nothing to do with DOs? Most American osteopaths I know refer to their work as osteopathy as to diferentiate it from allopathy (pharmaceuticals, surgery, and procedures). It is a different way of practicing medicine that is still backed by scientific trials just as other approved medical interventions are.
 * I look forward to our continued work together to get this issue resolved for the betterment of the wikipedia community. DrJacobFischer (talk) 04:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I suggest you read Dubious Aspects of Osteopathy -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 02:16, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

April 2023
Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you may be blocked from editing. Liliana UwU (talk / contributions) 23:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.
 * If you review all sourcese you will find this being backed by peer review science. If you would like to have a discussion about how these studies are conducted, I am open to this. DrJacobFischer (talk) 23:33, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There is no commentary or personal analysis. All articles are from medically reliable sources. DrJacobFischer (talk) 23:34, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 23:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your concern for the integrity of Wikipedia as a whole. If you think there is promotion I would like to see your point of view. Please demonstrate specific passages that would be fair to remove/edit and we can make this article better for people interested in learning about osteopathy. DrJacobFischer (talk) 00:07, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It will really help you and others if you consistently describe yourself as a "Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine" (DO) or "Osteopathic Physician", not an osteopath. Osteopaths are not medically trained or licensed. They hold old-fashioned pseudoscientific beliefs and use naturopathic nonsense. You are not one of them. You are a real doctor. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 02:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

You do have a strong COI, so it would be best, at least in the beginning, to not make any substantive edits (anything other than grammar and punctuation) to these topics. Use the talk pages to ask questions and make suggestions, and we will bring you up to speed. We have very strict sourcing standards here for medical claims of efficacy, stricter than for medical journals. Read WP:MEDRS. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 02:08, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * What sourcing standards are higher than that of medical journals? I cited secondary sources and even that was removed. While I am a doctor of osteopathic medicine, I do not see why that is a conflict of interest as I am not using this platform for self promotion or promotion of any of my affiliates. I receive no gain from my time spent here besides the removal of the libel on this page.
 * Furthermore, who would be more qualified to speak on this topic than a doctor in the field? It feels akin to an infectious disease physician being told they cannot contribute to a discussion about COVID-19 because there are already other people that got to Wikipedia first. How would you like me to be more qualified to speak on this topic? You would like me to not contribute "other than grammar and punctuation". My suggestions for edits have been suggested and they have been stripped indiscriminately from the platform. If there are specific things you do not like, then we can open a discussion about that and talk about validity of the articles I have presented so that Wikipedia is a place where all ideas can be discussed with open minds that are willing to digest new data as it becomes available. DrJacobFischer (talk) 04:43, 6 April 2023 (UTC)