User talk:DrKay

Post-nominal editor
FYI User:170.150.12.243 has again added post-nominals indiscriminately to many articles, including articles where the change was reverted before. I left a warning and reverted most of them, although there were articles involving diplomats to the UK and people associated with dominions where I wasn't sure. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 18:43, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna of Russia religion
She does not need to be a religious leader its just the fact that was her religion    Versailleslover123 (talk) 19:13, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * A wikipedia-wide request for comment determined that the parameter was inappropriate for people who were not religious leaders. DrKay (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

George III
Hi there. I’m wondering why you split the section off from the main as I have seen it on many other articles. ThatFungi (talk) 10:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * These sections are split off for most (if not all) British monarchs. There are a large number of depictions, so there is sufficient material for stand-alone articles. If kept in the main article, they would be low-value sections with unclear inclusion criteria. See MOS:POPCULT for further guidance. DrKay (talk) 10:49, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you for the explanation. The show already has an article so I'll address it there. Thank you again.
 * ThatFungi (talk) 11:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Charlotte hatnote
Normally, I'm not a fan of hatnotes, but starting two days before the coronation, page views on Princess Charlotte's article (the earlier Princess Charlotte, Princess Charlotte of Wales (1796–1817), for the benefit of your talk page stalkers) are 20,000 or more, a large multiple of what was there before. I would like to think that there is large public interest in a woman who died in 1817, but I wonder if there really is. It seems more likely they are coming in search of a different princess by that name, and perhaps we should give them the means to go their way more speedily. Wehwalt (talk) 19:18, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The rise in views is matched across all royal biographies|Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon|Prince_Edward,_Duke_of_Kent_and_Strathearn|Queen_Victoria. Hatnotes are deprecated for unambiguous articles per WP:NOTAMB. DrKay (talk) 19:34, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Edward III of England Featured article review
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Nomination of Cultural depictions of William III of England for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Cultural depictions of William III of England is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Violation of the 3R rule on the page "Catherine, Princess of Wales"
Hello administrator DrKay, I am here to notify you of the violation of the 3 revert rule by user Gugrak on the page "Catherine, Princess of Wales". He also removed accurate and relevant information including citations for the same page under the heading of " Patronages and Interests". I hope you will go through the matter carefully after visiting the page and going through the page history. Thank you. MSincccc (talk) 05:36, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Again, it would be helpful if you discussed your issues with my edits on the article talk page where I've started a discussion per WP:BRD, or at the very least addressed them on my own talk page instead of canvassing on other users talkpages, especially making false accusations of a breach of 3RR. Please contribute to the discussion on the talk page where we can't find a consensus.Gugrak (talk) 05:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Samuel Chatto
Hello Dr Kay,I’m K Dhriti Reddy. I am here to notify you the deletion of the page Samuel Chatto. You we’re against the creation of this account since it was recurring part from Lady Sarah Chatto. I supplicate to you to not delete the page of Samuel Chatto.I hope you Understand me since it is my first page that I created and I may not have done it well. I hope you would help me through this page. Thank you K Dhriti Reddy (talk) 05:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Mary Queen of Scots
Hello Dr Kay DrKay (talk), please see this new source see lignes 7/11 Narrative of the Execution of the Queen of Scots The text I started to read today is the excerpted long letter sent by Robert Wingfield to his uncle, Robert Cecil, the equivalent of the prime minister in Queen Elizabeth’s time. The young man was sent to Fotheringay for the express purpose of witnessing the execution and describing it to his uncle, and also presumably the Queen. I guess that is the reason why he takes such pains to note down absolutely everything, including Mary’s dress and appearance on the last day of her life. He even describes her garters and stockings, which I presume he didn’t have the opportunity to see while she was alive, in which case… creepy. Mary’s attire is rich but sombre, mostly in black. She is no longer the beauty admired by the French court – she is still very tall (she was probably nearly 6 foot tall, unusual especially for a woman in these times), but also quite stout, double-chinned and has to wear a wig because she’s lost her hair. She was 45, so hardly an old woman yet, but she had a lot of health problems (some people suspect porphyria, a genetic disease supposedly haunting the Stuarts) and I guess she had not had enough exercise for the last twenty years, taking into account that the only .exercise for the woman of her social standing would be horse-riding. Mary accepts the news about the day of her execution with Christian resignation, although she cries a lot. As I wrote earlier, she apparently did retain her fashion sense even on the day of her execution. She also wears many religious emblems, including the medallion “Agnus Dei” (Lamb of God), which is printed in the NAEL as “Angus Dei”. I wonder if it’s a misprint of the NAEL’s typesetter or Wingfield’s mistake. Her servant Andrew Melville (again, mistakenly called by Wingfield Melvin), falls down on his knees and cries, saying he is going to be the bearer of the worst news ever. Mary also crying, comforts him, saying that she welcomes death as the end of her troubles and that the good news he is going to bear is that she died like a true queen and Catholic. She says she always dreamt about uniting England and Scotland and asks to tell her son James (who never saw her, I mean consciously, since she left him as an infant) that she never did anything to hurt Scotland’s interests. Then she addresses the gentlemen around her, asking them to settle the accounts with her servants and to treat them well, to which they agree. She also asks them to allow her servants to witness her execution, but the earl of Kent protests, saying that he’s afraid they are going to get hysterical and give her even more pain, or they are going to indulge in superstitious practices like dipping their handkerchiefs in her blood. The English are apparently very afraid of creating relics and making Mary a martyr. https://readingnorton.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/narrative-of-the-execution-of-the-queen-of-scots/ SeriousHist (talk) 09:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply] Dr Kay, I don’t know if you remember me, I was the one who added important contributions missing in the Elizabeth Tudor article ( North America Plus the East India Company) ; here I want to discuss the issue here because you are the main contributor of the great article Mary Queen of Scots ; First the source is on page 289 not 288 if it is available online please check it line 21 ; 289 with a pillow, but not to have put her to so open a death. pwas the opinion of the King of France and of others. ha sigaling the death warrant Elizabeth had gone as far as she was prepared to go. She expected someone else to take the responsibility and the blame for dispatching it; and the wretched Davison, perceiving that it might fall to him to be made the scapegoat, spread the responsibility to Burghley and other councillors. They quietly sent the warrant off. Tuesday, February 7th, 1587, Mary received warning that she was to die the next morning. She showed no terror. She denied complicity in the Babington Plot, inferred that her death was for her religion, and forgave her enemies, in the full confidence that God would take vengeance on them. wE Much of the night she spent in prayer. About 8 a.m. the gif sheriff and his company escorted her to the Hall of the Castle, where arrangements had been made for the execu ton. She was dressed all in black, a veil of white lawn over be halt, a crucifix in her hand, her beads hanging from her side, She was forty four, and, save for the fleeting days after her escape from Lock Leven, had been a prisoner fo Just on twenty years. The charm of youth was gone; shs was corpulent, round-shouldered, fat in the face, and double-chinned; her auburn hair was false. epalled at the at at parting from her servants, Please check DrKay (talk). Second I made a mistake in the name it is Robert Wingfield of Upton https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Andrew-McLean/dp/0954474856 Or https://wingfieldfamilysociety.org/execution-of-mary-queen-of-scots/ Or https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9780954474850/Execution-Mary-Queen-Scots-Eyewitness-0954474856/plp Or https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18400586 http://www.librarything.com/work/19696972 Lord Burghley was his uncle Thank you SeriousHist (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeriousHist (talk • contribs) 14:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Can I get started for free?
Can I get started for free? 2600:8800:3984:D300:5859:E2BC:9D15:FD3E (talk) 23:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Deletion request
Hi DrKay. As I was going through the list of redirects that I have created I realized that I had made one titled Her Majesty King Charles I. Obviously it is incorrect and not useful. Since it's one that has been recently created and has no in depth history associated with it as a page, I wanted to ask you as its creator to delete it. I think it falls under WP:CSD, so deleting it would cause no problem. Best. Keivan.f Talk 23:35, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Requesting page protection
Dear DrKay,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to bring to your attention the concerning situation surrounding the Wikipedia article titled "Mohamed Yaacob." The page has been facing relentless vandalism, with its content consistently reverted without proper sourcing or explanations.

Given the persistent nature of these acts, I would like to humbly request your consideration for article protection to prevent further disruptions and maintain the article's integrity. Such action would ensure that accurate and reliable information is presented to Wikipedia users.

Thank you for your time and dedication as an administrator. Your assistance in addressing this matter is highly appreciated.

Best regards, Arthur Hirai (talk) 23:42, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

You've got mail
Dear Dr. Kay, Sorry that I bothered you with an email; I was looking for this option but found the other instead. Here's a repeat message: Hi DrKay, I appreciate the need to verify changes but I don't make them indiscriminately. Re: Rachel Chiesley, Lady Grange – she's easy to miss in the archives because of the vast variety of spelling options but her baptism record is there. How can I send you a screenshot? Or search again under this spelling: 1679, Cheislie, Rachell, parents John Cheislie and Margaret Nicolson. Best, Tablethree


 * I've found that record. It gives the date as the 4th, which is the same as the article. DrKay (talk) 16:53, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Camilla, Duchess of Edinburgh
Hi. I recently nominated this draft with a trivial history for speedy deletion because in my opinion it clearly fell under G6 and met the criteria for cleanup and maintenance. Even the draft's creator stated in his edit summary If Camilla, verified as having the title "Duchedd of Edinburgh", expand this draft page to a redirect page. Well, we do have the redirect Camilla, Duchess of Edinburgh which means that this draft at the moment is redundant and should be deleted. But does it seriously have to go through a deletion discussion? Keivan.f Talk 13:31, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Queen Victoria
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Thank you today for the article, rewritten in 2011, and kept up to FA standards! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Vickers
Hi DrKay. This article by The Guardian about the Queen Mother contains the following sentence: According to her previous biographer Hugo Vickers, she had wanted to attract the Prince of Wales – later Edward VIII – but he brushed her off and she married his younger brother, George, instead. Do you have access to Vickers' biography of the Queen Mother? I need to verify that this is actually correct but I don't have the book at the moment and since you have contributed to the article over the years I thought you probably could have some insight. Also, this quote is attributed to her in the article: "I hate this classlessness thing," which she is supposed to have said to Woodrow Wyatt but I was wondering if this can be found in Wyatt's journals. In short, I wanted to ask for your opinion before making any major additions. Please let me know what you think about the article and its claims. Cheers. Keivan.f Talk 21:02, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That theory is included in Wallis Simpson's article and arises from a letter sent by Diana Mosley to her sister. Wyatt's journals are used in the article and can be borrowed at https://openlibrary.org/books/OL10556981M/The_Journals_of_Woodrow_Wyatt. DrKay (talk) 21:26, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

State visit by Elizabeth II to the Republic of Ireland
I didn't duplicate the defaultsort - I sorted Ireland before Russia and Spain - unlike where you are now. Icairns 2 (talk) 21:44, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Royal Family Orders
Apparently, I need to inform you that I have lodged a grievance based on your actions earlier today. Consider this my informing you of that. ZeroAlpha87 (talk) 21:36, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * This wasn't a suitable notice that ZeroAlpha87 has created an arbitration enforcement request naming you. It has already been removed. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ivanvector, I have sought better advice on how to create a suitable notice, though, and so watch this space. ZeroAlpha87 (talk) 09:30, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * you shouldn't, this is not a matter for arbitration enforcement and you will be wasting your time. Arbitration enforcement is related to specific areas that the Committee has identified as contentious topics, highly volatile subject areas known to have a history of conflict off Wikipedia which frequently cause disruption here (topics like the Israel-Palestine conflict, the India-Pakistan war, the wars in the Balkans, and the Irish civil war are examples), or for specific issues where they have previously made a ruling. Whether or not to use honorifics in a listing of formal royal honours is a long way off from any of these topics, and anything you try to post about it at WP:AE is going to be removed immediately in the best case scenario, which is if a bunch of disgruntled admins don't have a few choice words for you first (since you're also wasting their time).
 * You've started a good first step in dispute resolution by opening a discussion on the article's talk page. You could advertise that as a formal request for comments if you want wider input. If you find that you're not getting a satisfactory response there, you can try whichever process listed Dispute resolution requests that best fits your complaint. Your own behaviour will also be scrutinized in any of those processes, you should note.
 * If you insist on filing an arbitration enforcement request anyway, you can use AE-notice for a standard notification message. Each noticeboard that requires notification has a similar template, you can find them in Template:User noticeboard notices. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:54, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I opened discussions on all three articles' talk pages, yet the user about whom I wish to complain shut down two of them seemingly on a whim. I do not wish to go down an inappropriate route, much less waste my time or anyone else's; however, two things need to be borne in mind here: 1) I do not yet have the technical expertise on how to navigate Wikipedia's minefield of policies and coding methods; and 2) I refuse to stand by idly when an administrator is not open to the very ideals that he/she is meant to promote.  Nobody is above reproach, I am sure that you would agree, and that extends to me, naturally.  An independent adjudicator would, I believe, see from the messages' exchange that I was, and remain, willing to engage in healthy debate so long as it is productive and that the communications actually make sense.  What I have come up against, though, does not paint the service in its best light, and suggests to me that administrators operate with impunity.  In my opinion, what has occurred is a serious abuse of privilege (and responsibility) by the user in question, for no other reason than that he/she can, as far as I can tell. ZeroAlpha87 (talk) 14:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand it can be frustrating for an inexperienced user: Wikipedia is a very large project with many rules and conventions for specific situations, and being knowledgeable in all of them is basically impossible. I think you're misinterpreting DrKay's intent here, though.
 * There is a longstanding convention that editors should not start discussions regarding the same issue on multiple pages. In extreme cases we call this forum-shopping, where an editor posts the same problem in many places hoping that one of them will give the answer they want, or "asking the other parent" when a discussion concludes and they don't like the answer so they post it again somewhere else. I don't think you meant to do that, though. Best practice if you have an issue that could affect many pages is to start a discussion somewhere central, such as the talk page of a relevant WikiProject, and you can leave neutral notices on other pages inviting interested editors to participate in the main discussion. You need to be careful not to give the impression that you're only inviting editors that will support you; we call that canvassing. I've just left a neutral notice here, and you can see some others on that page. I think that's what DrKay intended to do: close your duplicate discussions and instead leave a link to the discussion that already had comments, so that any future comments would be in the same place. They may have been a little blunt and probably could have made a better effort to explain that at the time, and they probably should not have closed discussions started by a user they were in a dispute with, but closing duplicate discussions is fairly standard practice. Nobody should expect you to know that with ~300 edits.
 * But you are absolutely correct that nobody is above reproach, and administrators are bound to higher standards of accountability. If you want to make a complaint about DrKay's actions, the place to do so in this case would be the administrators' noticeboard for incidents, which is a sort of community noticeboard for interpersonal conflicts. But if I can give you some advice from personal experience: don't. That noticeboard is called the "drama board" for a reason, and many of the editors who patrol it are openly hostile to newcomers and those who don't have a perfect understanding of policy, and will often find inventive ways of turning your complaint back on you. It's really a last resort if you really can't solve your issue any other way. I've been here for 14 years and I avoid it like the plague. Discussion with the user you're in conflict with nearly always produces better outcomes. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:19, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ivanvector,
 * I am most grateful for the time that you have taken to get me to see things from a different perspective. I note what you have advised about steering clear of the administrators' noticeboard for incidents, but find it shameful that 'newbies' could be treated so flippantly by those more experienced; I suppose that the Wikipedia community is nothing short of a microcosm of the world at large, in which those that should know better often act the worst.
 * I maintain that my point about having consistency in those articles did not deserve to be shot down in the way that it was; it struck me as improper that an administrator could get away with this, hence my actions since. Far from one person being allowed to rule absolutely on the matter that I raised, I have just checked the Royal Family Order of Elizabeth II talk page, and, aside from DrKay's view, there is one arguably neutral stance and one that appears to support mine; therefore, we shall have to see how it pans out.
 * Finally, I reiterate my thanks to you, as I have been impressed by your mediatory influence, concise yet thorough explanations, and, most importantly, your ability to communicate without getting someone's back up.
 * ZeroAlpha87 (talk) 22:38, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You requested "no further communication" between us. Posting on my talk page and starting new discussions relating to me isn't the way to go about that. There is a longstanding consensus on wikipedia that if a user requests no further contact, then no further contact is made. So, whingeing about a lack of contact, when that's exactly what you asked for, is unpersuasive to say the least. I was merely doing as you asked. DrKay (talk) 19:17, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I requested 'no further communication' based on your not answering (whether through choice or lack of understanding, I could not tell) my actual question; I found that we were going in circles, achieving nothing, despite my best efforts to get you to look beyond the honorifics' stance, about which I was never really bothered, anyway: I would happily have returned the articles to their previous versions if my point about how conferees should be styled had not been despotically cast aside. Thank goodness for administrators such as Ivanvector, however, whose explanation, advice and, above all else, tone are commendable. ZeroAlpha87 (talk) 22:24, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Your tone is far from commendable. Note your insults, accusations and obvious contempt here and elsewhere. On this page alone, you say I'm a despot, improper, shut down discussion "on a whim", "not open to the very ideals that he/she is meant to promote", "the worst", abusive, shameful and flippant. Let me be clear: Do not post to this talk page again unless required to do so by policy. DrKay (talk) 06:26, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Catherine and the custom of drinking tea
Hi DrKay, I reinserted the photo of the artwork and found a footnote that explains to what extent Catherine is the inspiration. If you find the photo "ugly", delete it again. But thought it was appropriate because of "tea" and because she is a important Portuguese female artist.

Best regards, 87.170.195.78 (talk) 16:56, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * On the relevant content: Tea-drinking is already mentioned in the article. The caption is a repetition.
 * On the promotion of your friend's/employer's art works: We don't do that on wikipedia, see WP:COI. Your source is a primary source that is not independent of the artist, and so consequently does not meet our threshold for Reliable sources or the threshold for inclusion in the article.
 * On the artistic merit, or otherwise, of the sculpture: I have no and made no comment. I never said anything about it being "ugly", nor would that be a relevant consideration. DrKay (talk) 17:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:COI?! You're just assuming the worst of me. I'm sad... I am not from the Braganza family, I don't know Vasconcelos personally, I'm just interested in art and suffer when an article is poorly illustrated. And I even just drink coffee lately ;-) I hereby assure you, I have no COI — whatsoever!


 * The photo of the tea pot artwork I just found here:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Catherine+of+Braganza&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image


 * As I did found the painting of Catherine and Charles yesterday:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_II_of_England&diff=next&oldid=1175875381


 * If you are interested in art, I will give you an article. Small gifts help keep a friendship ;-): Lord Rothschild: ‘I loaned Lucian Freud £1,000 so the Krays wouldn’t cut his hand off’ → Quote from this The Independent article: "A wonderful Portuguese artist called Joana Vasconcelos, who for 25 years has been updating the arts and crafts concept to the 21st century with irony and humour."


 * Please, Assume good faith#Demonstrate good faith and keep up the good work... with humour. Cheers, --87.170.195.78 (talk) 19:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

George Moore (novelist) at FAR
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Really (really) weird request...
Hello, DrKay, I found a recent photo of Princess Alexandra of Flickr taken in 2012 that has a 2.0 Generic license and I'm looking for someone to upload it for me. It's pretty decent quality and is better than the current one if you ask me. Here's the link: Thanks, BillClinternet (talk) 20:52, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It has a "no derivatives" license, so cannot be uploaded to wikipedia. DrKay (talk) 21:07, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn't notice that as I usually just read the title. Thanks BillClinternet (talk) 21:09, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Use of thick dense text and paras. WP:MOS
Specific to many articles and the one one the monarchy of the UK spec. MOS might define the number of paras in an intro - not sure how it defines para length.

It is pretty text dense with long paragraphs. I understand many academics do use long paragraphs - but I do think some of these thick extensive chunks of text are likely easily split for readability - cheers - just my op. BeingObjective (talk) 13:46, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Matthew Brettingham
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Great Famine (Ireland) CE Questions
Hi DrKay, I came across this article and noticed a need for CE. Regarding your revision of some of my edits yesterday, I have a question:

''Potatoes were essential to the expansion of the cottier system ; they supported  an  extremely  cheap  workforce,  but  at  the  cost of lower  living  standards. '' The underlined portion feels clunky and redundant to me. Would appreciate your suggestions to improve.

Thank you for your diligence. As I continue to CE, I will return here if I have more questions. Marxistpoodle (talk) 20:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see how [potatoes] supported an extremely cheap workforce, but at the cost of lower living standards can be translated as landlords forced farmers to subsist on increasingly smaller amounts of land while increasing exports to England. The sentences are totally dissimilar. DrKay (talk) 20:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that the sentences are dissimilar. I found the original sentence to be redundant within the rest of the section. I also think the subject of the sentence being "potato" deflects blame for the expansion of the cottier system from landlords onto an inanimate object.
 * I believe that my edit expands the meaning of the paragraph by explaining how the introduction of the potato crop allowed landlords to further exploit the farmers by forcing them into a monotrophic diet and how that ties into expansion of the cottier system. Marxistpoodle (talk) 22:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

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Sockpuppetry
I have been monitoring the situation at Alexandra of Denmark and it appears that users YorkDr and Luke Darby are the same person. The editing patterns, the information they are trying to forcefully insert into the page, etc. all appear to be the same. As an administrator, I think you are in a position to investigate this matter and put an end to their potentially disruptive behavior. Keivan.f Talk 19:30, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Template consistency
Howdy. I've made the templates of David I, George III, Victoria, Edward VII, George V, George VI consistent (by adding King, Queen, Emperor, Empress), with the templates of Elizabeth II & Charles III. I've contacted &  about this. GoodDay (talk) 17:19, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Done the same, with the templates of the consorts. GoodDay (talk) 17:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

King of Poland today
Good evening. Before I make a submission to Heads of former ruling families given I had two warnings prior on the page, I wanted to verify with you. I did research on this topic and not place my personal opinion on the matter to ensure neutrality, but I found two legal claimants to the throne, Alexander Prinz von Sachsen and Daniel von Sachsen. Article VII of the Polish Constitution of 3 May 1791 made the throne hereditary for Frederick Augustus I of Saxony and his descendants. The only citations I could find are both articles from the "royalcentral.co.uk". Thanks. JayzBox (talk) 16:52, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * A source from 1791 cannot be used to support claims made after 1791. royalcentral is a self-published group blog and therefore not a Reliable source. DrKay (talk) 17:12, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Creation of a Taskforce
@DrKay A few weeks before I put forth the suggestion of creating a William, Prince of Wales Taskforce on the article's Talk Page given my status as the article's fourth highest author and third highest contributor in terms of edits. Given your status as an administrator and also your own significant contributions to the article, I thought that it would be good idea to have your opinion on this matter. I would not have added this to your Talk Page if you had replied on the article's Talk itself. Anyways expecting your repky on this. Regards MSincccc (talk) 07:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I saw your talk page post but didn't comment because it is not something I would join or oppose. DrKay (talk) 17:18, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @DrKay Then should I go forward assuming that you like Keivanf. has agreed to the proposal? By the way, thanks for the reply. Regards and yours faithfully MSincccc (talk) 17:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not opposed. You don't need my approval to proceed. DrKay (talk) 17:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @DrKay You had previously made it known that you are not opposed but still won't be joining the Taskforce. Though joining it might be a matter of personal choice and at your discretion, given your status as one of WP's administrators and that you are a featured article coordinator, I would appreciate if you could temporarily join the Taskforce as a mentor and provide valuable advice so that we can accomplish our primary objective at this point-to get William's article to FA. I hope you will help and your reply will be a positive one. Regards MSincccc (talk) 13:55, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Titles of King Paul
Hello, I noticed you recently reverted my edits adding the titles and styles of Paul of Greece? Could you please just expand on your reasons for the revert? Thanks. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 13:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The four I already gave are sufficient. DrKay (talk) 13:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I never said they weren't, I just simply asked if you could expand. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 21:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

The page has multiple sfn and harv reference errors. You've added short footnotes without adding details of the books. DrKay (talk) 06:49, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I edited down some of the reams of domestic trivia they've poured into the article, but they've put it all back, with an edit note reply: "I do not understand how details make an article a hagiography" – this while removing a Chips Channon-cited sentence on his early life as a rake. If scalpelling verbosity amuses you, you may want to look at the edits. MisterWizzy (talk) 17:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Frederick VIII of Denmark
Hello! I saw the edit you made regarding the spelling of Frederick vs. Frederik, and thought inform you of a discussion regarding this very topic incase you weren't aware and were wanting to add your oppinion. You can find the discussion here. EmilySarah99 (talk) 09:33, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Uncontroversial move requests
Hi there. I was wondering if you could move the page on Jefri Bolkiah, Prince of Brunei to Prince Jefri Bolkiah, and the page on Princess Azemah of Brunei to Princess Azemah Ni'matul Bolkiah. I couldn't find any previous discussions concerning the titles of either pages. In terms of reasoning, "Prince of Brunei" is not a substantive title. The move would also make it consistent with the pages on his siblings Prince Mohamed Bolkiah, Prince Sufri Bolkiah, and Princess Masna Bolkiah. The other page should also be made consistent with Princess Rashidah Sa'adatul Bolkiah, Princess Majeedah Nuurul Bolkiah, and Princess Fadzilah Lubabul Bolkiah, none of which use territorial designations. I thought maybe you could help with the situation. Best. Keivan.f Talk 22:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment left on talk page
Hi @DrKay@DrKay you recently left a notice on my talk page accusing me of using multiple accounts and being another user without providing any explanation (Notice: Using multiple accounts of User:QQxawn).

I don't appreciate that, and looking between the two accounts and editing history, other than adding and removing my username from Wikiproject:royalty members, I really cannot see why you accused me of that or coordinating offline with that user (??). If you were curious for an explanation and you could have asked on my talk page. But put simply, I was unsure if I would be receiving multiple notifications about the topic and have other interests, and didn't really care to become an official member of the Wikiproject.

Regardless, I don't think that's enough to accuse any user of sockpuppetry. Hopefully you understand why this is perceived as being inflammatory to me and would appreciate a more neutral approach to any concerns moving forward. Thanks, Cibrian209 (talk) 17:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It's a template message. I'm not responsible for the phrasing, which by the way is the 'soft' version for when suspected editors are acting in good faith and doesn't even directly accuse you. It says may and points you at the guideline only. Frankly, your over-reaction makes you look more suspicious not less. DrKay (talk) 18:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * We'll have to agree to disagree. I, like most people, get offended by unwarranted false accusations and frankly, aggressive responses. If that makes me look more suspicious in your eyes, so be it and feel free to monitor if you believe so. However, thanks for your explanation. Best, Cibrian209 (talk) 01:21, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Sophie, Duchess of Edinburgh
Dear Dr Kay

Thank you for your many valued contributions to Wiki – great work.

I understand your comments to my recent amendments on Sophie, Duchess of Edinburgh – well noted with thanks. Although you reverted my changes en masse (presumably for ease), I hope you won’t my revisiting them accordingly, that is, should you be agreeable to my refining these improvements ofc! So in the spirit of Wiki collaboration, let me outline what & why to the relevant changes in advance, if okay:


 * Prince Edward was created Earl of Forfar & she then assumed by courtesy the style Countess of Forfar - "making her" is definitely not correct / "becoming" less formal or "styled" is the correct parlance.
 * St John Service Medal (with bar) – typo.
 * Queen Elizabeth II Platinum Jubilee Medal qv. https://www.homesandantiques.com/antiques/royal-family-medals - so many were issued no paramount reference source exists (however HRH wears this medal at official public events for all to see).
 * Most Venerable is the correct prefix for the Order of Saint John qv. https://ordersofsaintjohn.org/orders-of-st-john/mvo/ - "Venerable" is a colloquialism originating from how the Knights of Malta refer to their protestant confrères...
 * Linking Sash before the Order of the Eagle is a relevant and useful link surely?
 * The caption to the image of Sophie at Kandahar shows her wearing combat dress – “dressed” is not the usual way of describing this...
 * CoA: accept most of your comments - very helpful. But with regard to the grant of arms – “include” (not “apply”) is the correct terminology; nor is the blazon correct (whereas it states ‘’for Rhys-Jones’’ for the sinister shield it omits any mention of “for Prince Edward” or “Prince Edward’s differenced Royal Arms” or what I stated initially – no biggie, but some note is required; capitalization of the colours and charges is correct blazoning in heraldry; lastly and definitely not least! is that her arms should display the augmentation of honour for a GCStJ in chief – Wiki’s image was created before she was appointed a Dame Grand Cross of the Order of St John and this is to be updated. To see her latest arms, qv. https://twitter.com/littlemuoitom/status/1669680859564371978 (this is not preferred link but at least you have a visual).

Very many thanks for your sterling work & I trust the above comments are to your satisfaction.

Best Primm1234 (talk) 21:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * When updating the article, please remove the tagged source and replace it with one that supports the article content rather than just removing the maintenance template and retaining the invalid source. Thanks. DrKay (talk) 21:36, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Dr Kay
 * Done! And, I included a couple of extra explanatory links, such as "remainder" & "impalement" - hope okay...
 * Best Primm1234 (talk) 14:42, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * We don't link common words or use decorative icons, thanks. DrKay (talk) 18:05, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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Edward VII
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"James Erskine, Earl of Mar and Kellie (1949-" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Prime minister lists
No problem with the reversions if those were new on Akihito, Naruhito, etc. I actually arrived at the issue because they were being removed from articles with shoguns listed, Emperor Meiji and Emperor Kōmei. In at least the case of Emperor Kōmei, which is on my watchlist, the shoguns were already there well before January. Perhaps there is a case to be made for dealing with the postwar and/or post-Meiji Restoration governments in different ways, but I think the shoguns should stay on the earlier articles. Best, Dekimasu よ! 08:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

help with syntax with a page you edit
i restored some notes for turkmenistan from an old revision here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_totalitarian_regimes&diff=1208464271&oldid=1207768933 but when you click on note a and note b it dosent work, meybe it needs reintegration with the other notes Gooduserdude (talk) 16:47, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You need to use  not efn. DrKay (talk) 17:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

FA nominations
@DrKay Is it possible for a single article to be co-nominated for Featured Article Status by two significant editors in case both want to be credited with the article being upgraded to FA status. In that case, what should be done, given both are the top two editors as well as among the top five authors of the concerned article? Your advice will be valuable. Looking forward to knowing from you,

Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 07:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. When you click on the initiate the nomination link, a pre-populated window will open. Part of the code in that window is . Add the co-nominator as done here. DrKay (talk) 08:51, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay The discussion you started yesterday on the talk page for the article William, Prince of Wales has reached a new stage. We have one user clearly opposing the first sentence claiming that the other 14 thrones also need to be mentioned. They also want to override at Charles III's talk page. You are invited to the discussion, that's all I wanted to say and look for yourself what you can do about it. Looking forward to knowing from you,
 * Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 09:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Prince Louis of Wales
Hello @DrKay the page above has been susceptible to disruptive edits made by IP users in the recent past which led me, being its most significant author and second largest editor, to request autoconfirmed semi-protection for the article. The protection expired earlier this month since when the disruptive IP edits have returned. A user has granted pending changes protection to the article for 3 months but another disruptive edit was made to the page by an IP user after the protection settings were revised. Louis' siblings pages have been granted semi-protection for an indefinite period and they are very much stable. I felt that this article should have similar protection settings. Looking forward to knowing from you, Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 18:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I can maybe do something once the current pending changes protection expires in May, but I would prefer not to undo other administrators' actions at this time. DrKay (talk) 21:55, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay I authored a new page titled Wealth of Elon Musk this morning. Although it has undergone review, it doesn't appear in search results when I look for it. Could you please enlighten me on the cause for this? Regards MSincccc (talk) 18:19, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay A request for a new consensus as to how William should be described in his article's lead has started. Please join in the discussion and put forth your views. Looking forward to knowing from you, Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 03:16, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay The pending changes protection has expired this month for the above article. Could you provide it a sort of permanent protection in the same manner as done for Louis's siblings? It would be greatly appreciated as it would prevent IP users from unnecessarily disrupting the article as done in the past. Looking forward to your response. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 04:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll keep an eye on it, but at present I don't think there's sufficient activity to justify protection. DrKay (talk) 20:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Your access to AWB may be temporarily removed
Hello Drkay! This message is to inform you that due to editing inactivity, your access to AutoWikiBrowser may be temporarily removed. If you do not resume editing within the next week, your username will be removed from the CheckPage. This is purely for routine maintenance and is not indicative of wrongdoing on your part. You may regain access at any time by simply requesting it at WP:PERM/AWB. Thank you! &mdash; MusikBot II  talk  17:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Sean O'Malley
Need support to move Sean O'Malley.Marty2Hotty (talk) 00:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You might not aware, but you can NOT do that to ask/inform/persuade another editors to support what you have nominated for - see Canvassing. Kindly stop immediately. Cassiopeia   talk  00:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Christopher of Bavaria
Re:Christopher of Bavaria, aren't redirect targets generally supposed to be bold? jonas (talk) 05:51, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Monarchism and republicanism in Canada
I'm facing resistance from Miesianiacal in Monarchism in Canada (see ) and Republicanism in Canada (see Talk:Republicanism in Canada) against posting recent polling results from the last two years that suggest support for the monarchy has fallen behind support for a republic. This is despite the fact that the Monarchism article cites several polls - all of which are at least 15 years old. He insists any reference to the result of the newer polls is POV. There really should be a combined RFC on both articles. I don't really have the skill, time, patience, or interest in doing so so if you or someone else is able to do so it would be helpful. Wellington Bay (talk) 12:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I have started a discussion at WP:ANI about this kind of behavior. Thanks for the email. DrKay (talk) 17:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Request
@DrKay Would you please help me out with one issue if possible? I am seeking guidance not canvassing around or trying to prove anything. Would you listen me out? Regards MSincccc (talk) 13:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I will listen, yes. DrKay (talk) 14:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay Is there any reason for me to be held up for each of the 3 GAs I have successfully nominated? An editor still has concerns regarding it which you will find at the GA nominations talk page. I am one of the top five authors as well as a frequent editor to each of those three articles. Please verify so that the other editor can understand. Regards MSincccc (talk) 14:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * My advice is that for articles like Sherlock Holmes, where Palindromedairy is clearly a major editor, you raise your desire to nominate the article for GA status either at the personal talk pages of major contributors or on the article talk page. Allow a reasonable interval for any objections to be raised, or for editors to agree a joint nomination, before starting the GA nomination. For any article for which I am listed as a major contributor, you may assume that you have my blessing to take the article to GAN without further input from me. DrKay (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay No my request is that are the three GAs attributed to me valid as SerialNumber 54129 has raised concerns about it. I wanted this to be resolved. Further, Chris Troutman said that I was trying to game the system which is not the case nor was I canvassing around. Also he believes that my claims of being a significant author to Catherine and William's articles are not realistic despite me being the second highest editor and among the top five authors. I have left the Sherlock Holmes issue behind. The focus is now on these royalty related articles which you yourself know have significantly contributed for over two years. I was seeking assistance being a middle-school boy. Hence awaiting your views on the same. Regards and would like to know from you soon, MSincccc (talk) 14:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's an agreed definition of "significant". In some cases there will be a clear main contributor, who will probably expect to be consulted or included in any nomination. Other articles are more of a joint effort. Personally, I don't have a problem with your nominations, see no evidence of impropriety, and can see that you are listed as a top editor in the page statistics. I am happy with any process that assists with article quality. I think it's more a question of being mindful that other editors might expect to be consulted if they've put a lot of effort into a particular article. DrKay (talk) 14:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay But I am the prime author of Ivanka Trump's and Charlotte's articles as well as being among the top five in terms of edits made. Furthermore, Keivan was fine with my nomination for Catherine's GA given he's the only author above me who frequently works on the article. How can then another editor then raise such questions and rather aggressively, if I can use the term. One final convincing response and I will not bother you any further. Thanks for your time. Looking forward to hearing from you once more. Regards MSincccc (talk) 15:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I see no evidence of impropriety personally. In my opinion, the accusations against you are unconvincing. DrKay (talk) 15:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay Just one last doubt here. Do you feel that I should renominate Prince George for GA as the reviewer AndrewPeterT has been inactive for almost two days. I would like to know from you on this matter. Have a great day and thanks for your words. Regards MSincccc (talk) 17:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I would wait a further 5 days. An absence of a couple of days is not unusual. DrKay (talk) 19:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Going by by statistics as per Xtools can I nominate Karlie Kloss's article for GA now that the Prince George article is on hold because of the reviewer's inactivity. Just wanted to confirm it from you, a more experienced user and an administrator, before nominating given I am both the largest author as well as one of the top editors. I do not want to be accused of drive-by again. Looking forward to knowing from you. Regards MSincccc (talk) 13:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * As I said, my advice would be to pre-announce your intention to nominate any uncertain cases on the article talk page to give other editors of that page time to comment. DrKay (talk) 15:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * At present none of the article's top five authors have edited the page in the last six months except for me. Further, I am also among the top editors to the article. I fixed all the discrepancies in the article. Would leaving a message on the talk page and then nominating do? MSincccc (talk) 16:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I see now at GAN that "drive-by" nominations are defined as "if the nominator is either the author of less than 10% of the article or ranked sixth or lower in authorship, and there is no post on the article talk page". DrKay (talk) 16:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Exactly so. I am both the highest author as well as attributed with 18.9% of the article at the time of writing. Further, no revisions have been made to the talk page in the last 10 months and as I previously put it the other 4 authors have not edited it recently the most recent by anyone among them being in September 2023. You can verify my claims through XTools as well. In that case, can I go forward with the nomination? I have left a message on the talk page though. Regards MSincccc (talk) 16:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't have a problem you with nominating. DrKay (talk) 17:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay The reviewer for Prince George of Wales' GA assessment has been inactive on English Wikipedia as a whole for the past three days since taking it up. Furthermore, he has only 1,038 edits attributed to himself despite his account having being created in 2013. This shows that the user is rather inactive. Your previous advice to me was that-I would wait a further 5 days. An absence of a couple of days is not unusual. But given this user's editing pattern and contributions history, should I renominate the article with today's date so that a new reviewer picks it up? I will inform AndrewPeterT if that should be the case. Looking forward to knowing from you. Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 09:26, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I would wait a week and then follow the process at WP:GAN/I. DrKay (talk) 11:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay As you know both I and Keivan are among the top five contributors as well as the top two editors to the article William, Prince of Wales and given that, have been considering an FAR for the article in the near future. I recently transcluded a peer review for the article with both our names attached to it. Knowing that you are one of the three FAC coordinators, just wanted to seek your blessings for the entire process. Thanks for your time and advice in recent days. Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 08:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Fine by me. DrKay (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * How long should a peer review normally last before I close it and nominate the article for the actual FAR? Regards MSincccc (talk) 09:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There is guidance at Peer review/Guidelines from the peer review side. I would recommend waiting for at least one review before nominating at WP:FAC because review at FAC can be intense and a peer review beforehand is recommended. DrKay (talk) 09:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No I had let the peer review run for a fortnight or say three weeks and make the suggested changes, if required, before I co-nominate William's article for FAR. Will that do @DrKay? Yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 10:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * For FAC. Yes, though you could probably close the peer review earlier if you got one thorough review. DrKay (talk) 11:03, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well would you yourself be leaving a few valuable suggestions at the peer review discussion page? It will be greatly appreciated if it could be possible. Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 13:07, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well @DrKay, I was hoping you could advise me on whether the peer review for William's article can be closed at this stage or if I should wait further. I haven't received any comments from other users since Nick D's last remarks. Your advice would be greatly appreciated. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 09:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a week since the last comment. DrKay (talk) 17:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Should I close it and nominate the article for FAR or should I wait for more comments (hopefully some from you or any of the FAC coordinators as well). Looking forward to knowing from you. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 17:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't have any comments at this stage. I wish you well for the FAC nomination. DrKay (talk) 19:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay Should I interpret this as your approval to close the peer review and proceed with the FAC nomination, or should I extend the peer review for another week? I look forward to hearing from you. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 00:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The former. DrKay (talk) 16:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay Would it be possible for me to add a few high-quality sources and cite relevant literature to the article before I nominate it for FAC? If I can accomplish this, I plan to nominate it within the next week or so. I hope you are open to this proposal. Please let me know your thoughts. Regards and thank you for your time. MSincccc (talk) 06:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Editors can make improvements at any time. DrKay (talk) 16:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

The Royal Heraldry of England
Hi. Do you happen to have access to this book by John Harvey Pinches ISBN 978-0-900455-25-4? I have looked for it everywhere but it's not available on any of the platforms from which I usually get my books. I thought maybe you had added it as a reference to Philip's article or at least were in possession of it. Looking forward to your response. Keivan.f Talk 21:18, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I don't own a copy. I had access to a library copy some years ago but I no longer live near to that library. Sorry, DrKay (talk) 21:29, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * One more question. Given your extensive involvement with the article on Edward VIII, I thought maybe you had come across information regarding his relationship with Rosemary Leveson-Gower. Her article discusses it in detail but there's no mention of her in his article to the best of my knowledge. I thought maybe there was a reason for it and perhaps you were opposed to its inclusion for a specific reason. Wanted to know your opinion before making any changes. Keivan.f  Talk 18:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It seems to have been added and removed by others. DrKay (talk) 19:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay. So since the IP did not provide a specific reason for the removal, I guess I'll add it back if you're not opposed to it. Thanks for the prompt response. Keivan.f  Talk 21:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

ZeroAlpha87
@DrKay The user in question has eliminated commas from the introductory sentence in the lead section of numerous biographies featuring individuals from noble backgrounds. This action has been repeated across a significant number of pages, with the edit summary stating "Removed unnecessary comma." Would you be able to address this matter? Please do so at the earliest as the user has disagreed with multiple other users who have tried to advise him. I await your response. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 08:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I have explained why I have been doing this, admittedly not in each article, but I feel as though the point stands. If my edit summaries in this regard are not considered detailed enough, I accept that, but neither is 'Not unnecessary' as a reason for reverting, as that achieves nothing productive. ZeroAlpha87 (talk) 10:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Not everyone can be at fault. Removing commas from the lead of so many articles, some of which are GAs, without considering ongoing discussions is concerning. Let DrKay decide what actions are necessary. Also, be cautious of potential violations of WP:3RR. Consider this a warning, as there is still time to make corrections. I am not against you; rather, you need to adhere to the community and its consensus. Looking forward to your response @DrKay and have a great day ahead @ZeroAlpha87. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 10:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I accept your comments, but feel as if there is an underlying problem on Wikipedia of 'well, that's the way it's always been', which is only valid if it was right in the first place. I am happy to debate this, but in the right place; where would that be?  So far, I have not seen any, apart from what my actions have led to, talk on this matter; therefore, I am unsure what you mean by 'without considering ongoing discussions'.  The manual of style to which I have been referred does not actually address this specific point - that is, commas to 'close off' peerages from names. ZeroAlpha87 (talk) 11:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Further to my previous comment, I should appreciate it if you were to refer to my talk page, where I have, since my post on here at 11:03, had what I deem to be a positive conversation with another concerned editor, @HandsomeFella, and consider what's on there before deciding anything; it arguably amounts to progress. ZeroAlpha87 (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Your actions have been, to say the least, disruptive. Furthermore, reverting edits made by other experienced users who attempted to correct your changes only exacerbated the situation, particularly on pages such as those of Prince Harry and Prince Philip. It would have been more prudent to initiate a discussion on the relevant talk page. @DrKay please take up the matter because the same has been done for a large number of articles; the edits were reverted only when such changes were made to the articles of figures like Prince Philip and Princes William and Harry. Regards MSincccc (talk) 15:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that you expect a discussion about this on the talk page of *every* article that is affected? If not, where is this 'relevant' talk page?  Surely this is about a policy that covers the topic as a whole, not just when it applies to certain pieces.  Each time that you have reverted my edits, you have put 'Unnecessary' without explaining why it is unnecessary, an action for which you seem to have admonished me when I put 'Removed unnecessary comma' without giving a rationale.  If it comes to it, I shall revert all the 'disruptive' edits myself; therefore, @DrKay, I urge you to consider my willingness to do the right thing before any drastic action is imposed.  Indeed, no action should be taken, I should argue, while there is an ongoing discussion, at Talk:William, Prince of Wales, I gather. ZeroAlpha87 (talk) 15:39, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that you expect a discussion about this on the talk page of *every* article that is affected? If not, where is this 'relevant' talk page? I never meant that. But you should have refrained from reverting edits, especially in articles concerning Philip and Harry, where seeking consensus should have been prioritised after your initial edit was reverted. By persisting with the reverts, you only escalated the disruption. Additionally, the commas you removed in other articles should have remained, as they serve their purpose. It's just that not many are familiar with articles of relatively less importance; otherwise, you would have faced reversions there as well. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 15:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There is a discussion going on presently at Talk:William, Prince of Wales. Regards MSincccc (talk) 15:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Forgive me, I've been offline until now. I think no further commas should be removed until consensus is reached on a talk page. It is disruptive to continue with a series of edits after being asked to stop. DrKay (talk) 17:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No further commas will be removed by me until consensus is reached, I can assure you. I acknowledge the disruptiveness of my edits, not that that was my intention.  However, only eventually was I asked to stop reverting them; previously, I had been undoing them when no reason had been provided for their being '[u]nnecessary', as in all that was written in the summary box was '[n]ot unnecessary'.  That is just as unhelpful as my '[r]emoved unnecessary comma', as it provides no rationale.  In any case, thank you for your fairness, @DrKay. ZeroAlpha87 (talk) 17:53, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Vajiralongkorn
Thanks for editing King Vajiralongkorn's military roles and career in his infobox. When I read his article, I saw that he once served as a career officer in the Royal Thai Army. Therefore, I decided to add a little bit of information about his military career to the infobox. I think, his career as an army officer showed that his military roles are not purely ceremonial. I think your edits were more accurate. Thank you. RyanW1995 (talk) 10:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland Coat of arms
From the website of the Canadian Parliament, the use of the Tudor Crown was after 1880, and there are many pictures and legislative documents using the St Edward's Crown version, so should the article not write the Tudor Crown version of the royal emblem from Used since 1837. 2401:E180:8861:5785:BBA1:A79A:2610:B508 (talk) 13:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * web 2401:E180:8861:5785:BBA1:A79A:2610:B508 (talk) 13:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Canada was also under the rule of Queen Victoria at that time, so I think what is said on this website can also be quoted from the Coat of arms of the United Kingdom from 1837 to 1901. 2401:E180:8861:5785:BBA1:A79A:2610:B508 (talk) 13:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * image:File:010 Rideau Hall, residència del Governador General del Canadà (Ottawa), escut i bandera.jpg
 * File:Kevin MacLeod in Canadian Senate Chamber 2009.jpg
 * File:St Margaret's church - Victorian royal arms - geograph.org.uk - 1602596.jpg
 * File:1837
 * 1900
 * 1903 2401:E180:8861:5785:BBA1:A79A:2610:B508 (talk) 13:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * File:All Saints church - Victorian royal arms - geograph.org.uk - 1547467.jpg 2401:E180:8860:2EF8:3709:6B9:2388:1590 (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Contradiction
Hi. I have noticed a potential contradiction regarding Prince Richard's role within the Royal Auxiliary Air Force (RAuxAF). Here he's described as the colonel-in-chief, while here is referred to as honorary air commodore in chief. Does this mean that he holds both positions together or am I misinterpreting something here? Keivan.f Talk 23:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Personally, I suspect he is honorary air commodore in chief and that colonel-in-chief is a mistake or simplification by the press office. I think we should stick with honorary air commodore in chief on the basis of due weight. DrKay (talk) 06:28, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

FAC request
@DrKay It's been over three weeks since I co-nominated Catherine's article for FAC, but the process has not progressed beyond the Image Review. Furthermore, user Gog the Mild recently posted a coordinator's note on the FAC nomination page, indicating that the nomination could be archived if it does not receive general support from the community in a few days. This is my first time at FAC, and I have worked on the article for a long time. Hence, I am looking forward to your advice. Could you please review the article and leave your suggestions so that it can be addressed? Looking forward to your comments. Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 04:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Eagerly awaiting your response @DrKay. Your suggestions at FAC given your experience will be greatly appreciated. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 10:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @DrKay I hope I am not bothering you with my recent requests as can be found above. But I believe you can offer me valuable guidance regarding the FAC process. Furthermore, I promise not to expand this thread further with more requests. Just wanted to know your opinion and whether you would proceed with leaving comments at Catherine's FAC. Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 11:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Wives of Hussein of Jordan
Hi. I was wondering if you were considering putting that article up for deletion. It's a clear WP:CONTENTFORK and is poorly sourced. I'm surprised the PROD tag was removed. Keivan.f Talk 01:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Relevance tag vis-a-vis Gurkhas
Hi, I noticed you inserted a relevance tag and believe you may have missed the twofold point of this addition. It is on one count to note the unique relationship between Nepal and the British Commonwealth historically in military matters (see the image of Gurkha soldiers serving in the B.C.O.F. as part of the Indian Army), and secondly following from this to note the continued recruitment of Gurkha soldiers by Commonwealth armed forces, sometimes as veterans from other forces in the Commonwealth.

You are correct to note Nepal is not a Commonwealth country – I am happy to state this explicitly. However, this is about the supporting role that Gurkhas have played in Commonwealth as a whole which is a particular and unique part of Commonwealth/imperial military history that can still be seen today. Hence, as I say, they 'have historically fought alongside British and Commonwealth troops [in the same armed forces].' Kind regards, Will Thorpe (talk) 12:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @DrKay I wish to tell you that in lieu of a response I will remove the tag once it has been there for five days. If you wish for it to be raised on the talk page first, I will happily do so whether or not you want to contribute to any discussion there. Kind regards, Will Thorpe (talk) 14:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

What consensus?
what consensus? Ustadeditor2011 (talk) 08:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Read the talk page archives, and then look at the article history.
 * Talk:Hyderabad/Archive 6
 * Talk:Hyderabad/Archive 6 - I thought that in that discussion we had achieved consensus for a change, but then anther editor joined the discussion and demanded no change, and got his/her way.
 * Talk:Hyderabad/Archive 6
 * One common feature in change-the-montage discussions is that it seems to be normal for one of the images in a proposed changed montage to get deleted as a copyright violation. That is likely to happen to the new image you want in the montage. -- Toddy1 (talk) 19:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Removing baronial title from page for Mahfouz Marei Mubarak bin Mahfouz
Hi there - you've removed his legal baronial title on the page Mahfouz Marei Mubarak bin Mahfouz.

The first time you removed it you asked for verified sources which were provide from the Debretts, Registry of Scottish Nobility and Scottish Barony Register.

Second time you removed with comment "this should only be done for substantive peers not pretend ones"

I must object to your opinion, it is not a pretend title.

It is a title of Scottish ancient nobility protected in law and the origins predate the current peerage, as before Dukes or Viscounts, there were Barons. And there are also Lord/Earl/Marquis baronial baronage titles, not part of the peerage, but their dignity and nobility is protected in law by the Scottish Parliament 2004 act.

The official body The Convention of The Baronage of Scotland ( https://www.scotsbarons.org/ ) representing scottish barons originally being one of the former Three Estates of Scotland states the correct form followed in pages for scottish barons.

Here are quotes and reference links on the legal position from institutional writers, the court of the Lord Lyon the monarch's representative in Scotland, the Scottish Law Commission Government Website and UK Government Legislation Website and Scottish parliament -- all referring to the NOBLE title of a scottish baron and the noble quality and noble aspects of the barony title:

"1992 legal position, Lord Clyde, Spencer Thomas of Buquhollie v Newell: "A BARONY FALLS INTO A CLASS OF NOBLE"" (PDF). Court of the Lord Lyon.

Lord Stair (Institutions, II.iii.45): "the dignity of a barony; which comprehendeth lordship, earldom, & c. all of which are but more NOBLE titles of a barony"" (PDF). Court of the Lord Lyon. 16 June 2024. Retrieved 16 June 2024.

[https://www.courtofthelordlyon.scot/index_htm_files/Menking.pdf "Page3. Institutional Writer Bankton: "NOBLE fees, are those which conferred NOBILITY to persons vested in them; these were baronies and regalities; and anciently all nobility, in the modern states proceeded from such fees; thus the title of Baron included Duke, Marquis and Earl, as well as that of Lord. ""] (PDF). Court of the Lord Lyon.

[https://www.scotlawcom.gov.uk/files/1712/8015/2730/26-07-2010_1458_725.pdf "Page 31: "...the owner (can) claim ennoblement by the "nobilitating effect" of the "NOBLE quality" of the feudal title on which the land is held. The title of "Baron of So-and-So" or "Baroness of So-and-So" can be adopted... there is a right to relevant baronial additaments to the coat of arms. Baronial robes can be worn. The baron can, in theory, hold a baron's court, appoint a baron baillie to be judge, and exercise a minor civil and criminal jurisdiction.""] (PDF). Scottish Law Commission Government Website.

[https://www.scotlawcom.gov.uk/files/1712/8015/2730/26-07-2010_1458_725.pdf "page 20 "The discussion paper mentioned, BUT REJECTED, the possibility of allowing the "NOBLE aspects of the barony title" to lapse along with the abolition of the feudal relationship on which the ennoblement of the baron is based. It noted that the abolition of entitlement to the title "baron" was not a necessary part of feudal land reform and might well give rise to justifiable claims for compensation.""] (PDF). Scottish Law Commission Government Website.

"Page 9: "Proposition 31(iii) was that : All pertinents of land held on Barony titles, including any rights to salmon fishings and rights in respect of the NOBLE TITLE OF BARON, should continue to be transmissible with the title to the land"" (PDF). Scottish Law Commission Government Website.

"Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc. (Scotland) Act 2000, 63 Baronies and other dignities and offices: "nothing in this Act affects the dignity of baron or any other dignity or office (whether or not of feudal origin)" "dignity" includes any quality or precedence associated with, and any heraldic privilege incidental to, a dignity" Dignity means noble quality and use of title as covered in the Scottish Law Commission Report that led to the act". UK Government Legislation Website.

Also see Lyon Court Petition of Maclean of Ardgour for a Birthbrieve by Interlocutor which "Finds and Declares that the Minor Barons of Scotland are, and have both in this Nobiliary Court, and in the Court of Session, been recognised as 'titled' nobility, and that the estait of the Baronage (The Barones Minores) is of the ancient Feudal Nobility of Scotland".

Therefore, your removal of the title in correct form from the page (because of your opinion it's a pretend title) removes the dignity provided for by law. Kellycrak88 (talk) 22:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * please kindly consider reverting your changes as it is not a pretend title, it is a title of ancient scottish nobility the dignity of which is protected in law, these ancient titles of feudal origin are very specific to Scotland and are an important part of Scottish culture, many thanks Kellycrak88 (talk) 22:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No. The page reads "He is the current Lord of Abernethy in the Baronage of Scotland", which is supported by four citations. That is sufficient. DrKay (talk) 17:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I noticed that you refer to baronage titles as 'pretend titles' and choose not to format them in the traditional legal way. Could you share more about your perspective on this? I'm interested in understanding your viewpoint and discussing how we might approach this matter.
 * The title in question is a UK recognised title of nobility. Specifically, this gentleman's title and coat of arms were officially recognised in letters patent by the Lord Lyon King of Arms, the monarch’s official representative in Scotland.
 * His legal name, as would be reflected in his passport and all official documents, is Mahfouz Marei Mubarak bin Mahfouz, Baron of Abernethy — the authorised style for Scottish barons.
 * I believe refusing to format these titles correctly the legal way does not respect the dignity of this gentleman’s achievement or the rich Scottish history and culture behind these titles provided for by law.
 * The title 'Baron of Abernethy' should follow his main name. However, in the info box, I suggest we use 'Lord of Abernethy' in the post-nominals field instead of the main name field, out of deference to peers.
 * It is important to note that this title is clearly not a peer’s title, as it includes the 'of' signifying a baronial title, which does not exist for Baronies or Lordships in the peerage.
 * Furthermore, as you quite rightly note, there is an explanatory clarification (with references) as footnote to the main paragraph, that this title belongs to the Baronage of Scotland (and not the Peerage of Scotland) "He is the current Lord of Abernethy in the Baronage of Scotland". Kellycrak88 (talk) 18:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 0 sources + WP:SYNTHESIS = Excluded from wikipedia. DrKay (talk) 21:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Apologies I got his name wrong:
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=Mahfouz+Marei+Binmahfouz%2C+Baron+of+Abernethy
 * There are many news articles including The Times for example: His Excellency Dr Mahfouz Marei Mubarak bin Mahfouz, CBE, FRSA, lord and baron of Abernethy https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/cash-for-honours-inquiry-already-has-air-of-a-whitewash-kq7fz7l89
 * His coat of arms: Mahfouz Marei Binmahfouz, Baron of Abernethy https://armorialregister.com/arms-sco/binmahfouz-mm-arms.html Kellycrak88 (talk) 21:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note that the news articles have a tone of sarcasm. Armorial Register is not an official herald. It is a private company. The only official heralds in Britain are the College of Arms and the Lord Lyon. DrKay (talk) 21:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * yep, there's negative news for sure because of the cash for honours scandal
 * also some positive as he's donated lots of money to various charities
 * you're correct Armorial Register is not a herald it's an International Register of Arms - check the link again it says:
 * Grant: Entered on the 92nd page of the 74th Volume of the “Public Register of All Arms and Bearings in Scotland” on 25th day of November 2011.
 * That's reference to the official books of Lord Lyon in Scotland.
 * See wikipedia article: Public Register of All Arms and Bearings in Scotland Kellycrak88 (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That only shows that the arms are official. Not that the Lord Lyon uses the style. DrKay (talk) 06:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * His title is verified and enrolled in the Scottish Barony Register, Registry of Scots Nobility, listed by Debretts, etc. The custodian of the SBR (I believe is a former solicitor and former keeper of the General Register of Sasines) authenticates a baron's documents to ensure they're legitimate and have right to the title, this it the official although non-statuary register that Lord Lyon references and then makes judgement on if the petitioner is virtuous and deserving to receive arms. Scottish solicitors also reference the SBR as the register for confirming legitimacy of title. The many press articles also confirm his title, but as you imply, press articles can write what they want and acknowledge or not acknowledge a legitimate legal title. As mentioned I do think:
 * the title 'Baron of Abernethy' should follow his main name. However, in the info box, I suggest we use 'Lord of Abernethy' in the post-nominals field instead of the main name field, out of deference to peers.
 * I am interested to hear your thoughts on this? Kellycrak88 (talk) 11:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Doesn't address my points. WP:DUE. WP:SYNTHESIS. DrKay (talk) 11:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Are we not approaching it from a neutral point of view? I'm knowledgable on the subject of nobility titles (I'm a hobby genealogist) but I don't believe I'm violating WP:SYNTHESIS. My understanding is the title is legal and recognised and would be in his passport and official documents, therefore removing it from his name with comment "pretend title" is a violation of WP:DUE. I understand this is your personal opinion and you are an administrator so that adds weight, maybe this should be a consensus discussion, I would welcome a consensus discussion if palatable to you? Kellycrak88 (talk) 11:28, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Still doesn't address my points. Material does not belong on wikipedia unless it is explicitly supported by multiple, reliable, independent secondary sources. Unless there are multiple independent secondary sources using the exact style "His Excellency the Lord of Abernethy" to refer to Mahfouz, and those sources are not sarcastic or contradicted by other sources, then that content does not belong. DrKay (talk) 11:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/cash-for-honours-inquiry-already-has-air-of-a-whitewash-kq7fz7l89
 * Cash-for-honours inquiry already has air of a whitewash — August 01 2022
 * His Excellency Dr Mahfouz Marei Mubarak bin Mahfouz, CBE, FRSA, lord and baron of Abernethy, found himself at the centre of an extraordinary scandal more than a year ago. This newspaper revealed how the Saudi Arabian tycoon had been awarded his title on an undisclosed basis by Prince Charles — now the King — after paying tens of thousands of pounds to fixers and donating £1.5 million to royal charities. Mahfouz wanted to secure British citizenship or residency and had been advised that gathering honorary baubles would help. His money was used for projects including the restoration of homes close to Charles’s heart...
 * The Times which is probably most reputable newspaper stated his title without sarcasm looks like matter of fact to me. There are many articles like this shall I post them here? Kellycrak88 (talk) 12:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It appears you cannot recognize sarcasm. DrKay (talk) 13:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * that article and none of the articles that I've read state it's a fake name or pretend title as you've been implying, as far as I can see his name with title is stated and is a matter of fact Kellycrak88 (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Help with improving number of articles
@DrKay can you provide some guidance or perhaps some assistance for me in the process of improving some articles related to the biographies of British Prime Ministers, particularly Lord Liverpool and the Duke of Portland. The articles lack general direct references and needs expansion on context. Can you elaborate on this goal? It would be helpful if I can get a hand from a professional with a expertise on historical topics: Much thanks and good wishes. Altonydean (talk) 17:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)