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Your submission at Articles for creation: The Striped Ships (May 23)
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David. moreno 72   03:26, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Women in Red
Hi there, DrThneed, and welcome to Women in Red. As you are a fairly recent Wikipedian, you might be interested in our Ten Simple Rules. If you run into any difficulties or need assistance, please let me know. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 07:17, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the welcome . I am educating myself with some of the tutorials and doing some minor edits to get the hang of things. I'll let you know if I have any questions! Cheers, --DrThneed (talk) 09:21, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: 2015 Canon Media Awards has been accepted
 2015 Canon Media Awards, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as List-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! Legacypac (talk) 23:06, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
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Your draft article, Draft:The Striped Ships


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Thanks for helping!
Thanks for remotely helping with the Libraries of New Zealand session today; we're still going, so if you have any observations or questions do share them on the event's Talk page. Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 01:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries Giantflightlessbirds happy to help, sorry I didn't have much time. Looks like you had a good turnout though!

A page you started (Lily Attey Daff) has been reviewed!
Thanks for creating Lily Attey Daff.

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Copyright problem on Foulden Maar
Some of the content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from non-free sources. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, some content had to be removed. Content you add to Wikipedia should be written in your own words. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:27, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Foulden Maar
Hello! Your submission of Foulden Maar at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Horsegeek (talk) 20:12, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK
Hi, sorry if you already know all of this, but just a few things that took me a while to work out.
 * the next step in your DYK is for it to be promoted by a DYK administrator. They may have some more corrections before they promote it, but you will always be contacted (also do not fret as long as you make their changes it will go to main page). It can take them anywhere between 2 days and 6 weeks to have a look at it. You can see your page here before it gets promoted.
 * Once it is promoted you can see it in a queue or prep area (Template:Did you know/Queue), you can then work out what day it will be on the main page.
 * Many more people will look at your page and make "corrections" before it goes to the main page, which is one of the main reasons I do it.
 * On the day that it is on the main page many people will see it (2-10 thousand normally) and there may be a slight increase in vandalism. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 01:01, 21 May 2019 (UTC)).
 * Hi, thank you so much, I appreciate you giving me a heads up about the process. I'll make sure to keep on eye on my DYK's progress (and to be ready when/if it hits the front page!).DrThneed (talk) 21:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Foulden Maar
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Location for next Wellington Meetup
Kia ora, I'm letting all those that have attended during last few Wellington meetups know that the location for the next two meetups has changed. The location for the Wellington Meetup 17 August 2019 and  Wellington Meetup 31 August 2019  is now in the Alexander Turnbull Library Reading Room, Level 1, National Library. The National Library net.work space area will be closed for building work from 12 August. See the meetup pages for more information. Looking forward to seeing you there. Einebillion (talk) 05:06, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

RSNZ 150 Women in 150 Words
I see you created the template Template:RSNZ 150 Women in 150 Words. I'd previously asked for the data in machine readable form and couldn't get it. Do you have a copy of the data as a spreadsheet or something? I think it would make a great list... Stuartyeates (talk) 05:02, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't have a copy of the data - I made the tables on my user page the hard way, typing in the names myself from the (less-than-user-friendly) RSNZ site. My aim is to create & improve pages for all the listed women, but it's a bit slow as I've had a lot of other things on. I made the template and had been applying as I went, although another editor has since added it to a bunch more of the pages I haven't looked at yet :)


 * A list would be a good idea, I agree, I had thought about it but put it aside for later consideration. I had a few moments where I wasn't sure about the selection of the people on the list - some of them are decidedly more notable than others! For the list, I would imagine it would be helpful to have name, dates, area of expertise (so as to provide more information than the template)? Do you know who responded to your request at the RSNZ? I don't mind asking again, they may have changed their attitude. I know Siobhan worked on some of these biographies so she might be able to point me to the right person to ask. DrThneed (talk) 08:20, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I've dropped their contact details in an email, since I don't want to post them publicly. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's great, will follow up.

Flickr
Nice to "meet you". Not sure whether your saw my comment in Jitsy but Flickr upload works fine for me. Do you also upload through the Upload Wizard?  Schwede 66  23:42, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * DrThneed (talk) 23:47, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Thanks - yes I saw your note, it's good to know it isn't a general issue. I use the upload wizard but also tried a different Flickr to Commons tool as well (as well as bunch of different browsers, even though Firefox worked just fine last week). I guess I will just download from Flickr and upload to Commons manually instead, hopefully it is a one-off problem. Thanks for all your suggestions/corrections on recent articles too, I will try to make new articles a bit tidier!
 * No trouble. What I mean is – do you get the flickr option as part of the Upload Wizard (see screen shot)? I don't think it is available by default but I can't recall why I've got it. If you do bulk uploads, other tools are much better. But if you, from time to time, want to upload individual or a low number of images only, then this option is by far the best.  Schwede 66  00:34, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks for the screenshot, I have the Flickr option in the upload wizard. That's my default, as I am generally only loading a few at a time cos it is easier to keep track of the details. It worked just fine last week and then stopped...but when I get a chance I will try a different set of images and see if it gets going again. Unless there is a limit on how many images I'm allowed to upload or something? The workings of Wikimedia are a bit of a mystery to me sometimes!DrThneed (talk) 01:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think that there's a limit.  Schwede 66  04:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

James H. Birch (slave trader) moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, James H. Birch (slave trader), does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.  DGG ( talk ) 03:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: James H. Birch (slave trader) has been accepted
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Thanks again, and happy editing! Stuartyeates (talk) 09:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

DrThneed (talk) 02:04, 11 June 2020 (UTC)== John Ewen Davidson ==

With this edit at John Ewen Davidson you added the category "Slave owners". Why? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:53, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi @Magnolia677 Thanks for your interest. I arrived at Davidson's page by following links from the "Blackbirding" page. Blackbirding is a euphemism for slavery, (e.g. here is the Encyclopedia Britannica definition: "Blackbirding, the 19th- and early 20th-century practice of enslaving (often by force and deception) South Pacific islanders on the cotton and sugar plantations of Queensland, Australia (as well as those of the Fiji and Samoan islands). The kidnapped islanders were known collectively as Kanakas (see Kanaka)" According to the Wikipedia Blackbirding page, Davidson not only only owned kanakas on his plantations, but used them to kill Aborigines. However I can see that that may not be explicitly stated enough to satisfy everybody, so have sought out another reference, and will amend the text to make it clearer. I am still looking for a source that is clearer on whether Davidson captured kanaka himself or obtained them from others (ie whether he belongs in the slave trader category as well as the slave owner category).

Wikidata
I really enjoyed your Twitter thread on Colston/Wikidata and added several people in Wikidata to the investors of the Royal African Company. So much work to be done! No Swan So Fine (talk) 19:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. There is indeed a lot of work, but I really appreciate your contributions, thank you too! @No_Swan_So_Fine DrThneed (talk) 04:06, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Blackbirding
Due to contemporary media coverage, there is a mistaken impression that the importation of all South Sea Islander labour in the 1800s was "blackbirding" and "slavery". However, blackbirding specifically refers kidnapping or inducing people with false promises (which probably did did occur) and, as a general topic, is best discussed at Kanaka (Pacific Island worker). But be very careful not to add "blackbirding" and "slavery" as "facts" to articles about specific people who recruited South Sea Islanders without having reliable sources that the particular person was engaged in kidnapping or slavery etc. Although poorly paid relative to Australian workers, these labourers were not slaves. They were not "owned" in that sense, and their importation was regulated by the Queensland Government. Many renewed their contracts and many did not wish to leave Australia when the system ended. I note we currently have the importation of low paid Islander today. Proving kidnapping was undertaken by specific individuals is very difficult. Since the plantation owners did not generally go on the ships that did the recruiting, kidnapping etc was more likely to have been the actions of the ship captains. Even if the plantation owners were aware of these practices or encouraged these practices, we still need some kind of reliable source that they did. See WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and WP:V Kerry (talk) 02:37, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Giovanni Gualberto Bottarelli
I was hoping you might expand the article in terms of your description of him as a "plagiarist" (the reason I went to his page, clearly hoping for some enjoyable gossip...) MargaretRDonald (talk) 01:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC) Thanks for the interest! I don't think it's as interesting as it sounds, in itself. He was an Italian living in London who published a lot of opera libretti under his own name that were not very different from the originals. At least that's the charge, but I can't remember the specific source. I was working on early ballet dancers at the time, and he was just a side note. He sounds like a very interesting character though, I made his page in the hopes that a music or opera historian might be inclined to add to it!DrThneed (talk) 07:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC) Thanks, for that & great work on the slavers. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:29, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Society of Merchant Venturers - Members
Hi. I've come across some of your edits regarding the Society of Merchant Venturers. Whilst stating an individuals membership to a particular society in their article is fine, I wonder about the usefulness of the extra information about the society also being added. I've removed some additions as I think these comments would be more appropriate in a central place, like the Society of Merchant Venturers article. I'd like to mention that BLP's should be written with careful tone and balance, without giving undue weight to recent events (WP:BLPSTYLE).

In a nutshell, I'm suggesting we keep the commentary of the society on it's own page, and simply state on a person's Bio if they are a member. Thanks for your consideration:) -OXYLYPSE (talk) 11:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Point taken, no problem, thanks for taking the time to explain. DrThneed (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Coordination
It seems we should better coordinate our efforts as our tastes or interests overlap. I had been reading up on the Seddon statue but you've beaten me to creating that one. The Government Buildings were next on my hit list but once more, you've done that one. I'll think about what I want to do next; maybe the Govt Buildings in Greymouth? Won't do much before Wednesday; I'm busy travelling.  Schwede 66  04:49, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh no, sorry! Plenty of work to do without us treading on each other's toes! I picked the Seddon statue at random from the list, and then felt I should do the building behind it. I haven't decided what to do next but will let you know what I pick (I promise not the Greymouth Govt buildings!). As a general rule I tend to red link the item I'm working on from the list when I start. Thank you for all the improvements you make on pages I've begun, though, I really appreciate watching what you do (and trying to remember some of it for next time). Enjoy your travels.DrThneed (talk) 05:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
Hi DrThneed, I just wanted to let you know that I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&page=User%3ADrThneed added] the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Autopatrolled. However, you should consider adding relevant wikiproject talk-page templates, stub-tags and categories to new articles that you create if you aren't already in the habit of doing so, since your articles will no longer be systematically checked by other editors (User:Evad37/rater and User:SD0001/StubSorter.js are useful scripts which can help). Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing!  Schwede 66  20:14, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I am getting better at remembering to put wikiproject templates on talk pages, but I will take extra care to do so now. I will check out those scripts. DrThneed (talk) 23:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ibrahim Omer
Hello! Your submission of Ibrahim Omer at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:20, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Review of Neru Leavasa. Yoninah (talk) 23:20, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see question on your DYK for Helen White (politician). Yoninah (talk) 18:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see question on your DYK for Arena Williams. Yoninah (talk) 18:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see note on your DYK for Shanan Halbert. Yoninah (talk) 20:07, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see note on your DYK for Joseph Mooney (New Zealand politician). Yoninah (talk) 20:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * All twenty of the nominated articles have now had a review. Four have outstanding questions therein. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 21:50, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * DrThneed and, please address the outstanding issues soon so we can get this on the main page. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 16:08, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry for the delay, I've been away. DrThneed (talk) 19:47, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Helen White (politician)
—valereee (talk) 00:04, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Neru Leavasa
—valereee (talk) 00:05, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Arena Williams
—valereee (talk) 00:05, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ingrid Leary
—valereee (talk) 00:05, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Rachel Brooking
—valereee (talk) 00:06, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Anna Lorck
—valereee (talk) 00:06, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Tracey McLellan
—valereee (talk) 00:06, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Shanan Halbert
—valereee (talk) 00:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Mooney (New Zealand politician)
—valereee (talk) 00:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Simon Watts
—valereee (talk) 00:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Penny Simmonds
—valereee (talk) 00:08, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Toni Severin
—valereee (talk) 00:08, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Simon Court
—valereee (talk) 00:08, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Brooke van Velden
—valereee (talk) 00:09, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Chris Baillie (politician)
—valereee (talk) 00:20, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ricardo Menéndez March
—valereee (talk) 00:20, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Teanau Tuiono
—valereee (talk) 00:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Rawiri Waititi
—valereee (talk) 00:22, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Upcoming on the West Coast
Here are some events coming up on the West Coast you might be interested in as a member of the West Coast Task Force.

Greymouth Wikipedia Meetup
 * Grey District Library, 18 Albert St, Greymouth
 * Saturday 30 January 2021
 * 1:00–4:00 pm
 * Tea and (good) coffee supplied, bring something to share for afternoon tea

Hokitika Wikipedia Meetup
 * History Room, Westland District Library, 20 Sewell St, Hokitika
 * Saturday 13 February 2021
 * 1:00–4:00 pm
 * Tea, coffee, and biscuits supplied. Feel free to drop for any part of the time.

These are part of a series of monthly meetups we’ll be running in Greymouth and Hokitika. See the West Coast Task Force project for more ways to get involved.

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Introducing Wikisource • a seminar by Andrew Wooding
 * Digital Learning Centre, Westland District Library, 20 Sewell Street, Hokitika
 * Wednesday 10 February 2021, 3:00–4:30
 * Afternoon tea provided
 * Please RSVP to mike.dickison@westlib.co.nz

An introduction to Wikisource, a free repository of digitised out-of-copyright books uploaded and proofread by volunteers, and what this means for New Zealand libraries and museums.

"Wikisource, a sister project to Wikipedia, is an online repository of free, out-of-copyright books anyone can read or download. The books have been scanned, transcribed, and proofread by multiple volunteers to create a computer-readable and searchable document. Wikisource can also import books already scanned by the Internet Archive, which includes numerous New Zealand works. Volunteers can help with basic proofreading, verification, and formatting of each others’ work. There’s significant potential for Wikisource as a place to host New Zealand works for free, and enlist the help of an international team of volunteers to transcribe them—see this blog post for an example. Andrew Wooding is a Wikisource admin and has been volunteering with the project for over ten years; he most recently assisted the National Library of Scotland with a COVID lockdown project where staff transcribed nearly 3000 pamphlets from the collection. Andrew is visiting the West Coast and has kindly agreed to give this free seminar for anyone interested."

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West Coast WikiCon
 * Hokitika (venues at Como House, 51 Tancred Street and the Digital Learning Centre, Westland District Library)
 * Sat–Sun 20–21 March 2021
 * Registration will be just $20, with a mixture of presentations, skill sharing, and editing events for Wikipedians.

DYK for Mary Aldis (science writer)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:04, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination
Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Aldis (scientific author) at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; if you would like to continue, please link the nomination to the nominations page as described in step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with db-g7, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 16:32, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Requesting some article expansion support
Greetings,

You seem to have worked on slavery related articles too.

I have been working on Draft:Avret Esir Pazarları (Article is about Ottoman time's female slavery with special focus on state of non elite common women slavery in those times); deep down I do have feeling that the article deserves more inputs from East European sources requesting you to support the article if you happen to come across any at any point of time.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 04:40, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Ebenezer Teichelmann
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Re: Josephine Gordon Rich
I have added something to Josephine's Talk page but not sure how to go about refuting Crane's essay. Can you advise please? Sinebeg (talk) 06:30, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I am trying to finish a piece of wikiwork before the weekend, but will sort it out next week if that's OK. I'm happy to take a run at it and then you can let me know if I've got it right (alternatively do have a try, and I'll help out when I can). I want to record that the information is incorrect somewhere so that it doesn't creep back in again at a later date from someone who doesn't know (but now we have your comment on the talk page, thank you, that is less likely).-DrThneed (talk) 06:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Performing Arts Aotearoa - Wiki Project – funding success
Great news. The Wikimedia Foundation gave me the grant for the Performing Arts Aotearoa Wiki-Project. It starts on 17 May 2021 and runs for four months. Thanks for being a volunteer or endorsing it.

Go to the project page for guidance on starting to contribute as an editor. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pakoire/Performing_Arts_Aotearoa_-_Wiki_Project

I will update this project page regularly plus send out weekly updates. The focus of this grant is on quality content on Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata. I encourage you to go in-depth and reach out for hints about where to get resources. There is heaps available on-line. Reach out with problems eg. Categories etc

There will be three formal edit-a-thons in Wellington, Auckland and Dunedin. Dates to be confirmed.

You can email me at any time maule.lisa@gmail.com or message me on my talk page.

My focus once the project starts will be on getting resources available for editors from organisations, and educating people in organisations on what Wiki platforms are and how and why they can be engaged. Pakoire (talk) 07:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:RSNZ 150 Women in 150 Words


The page Template:RSNZ 150 Women in 150 Words has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done for the following reason:

"requested by author; navbox no longer in use"

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, pages that meet certain criteria may be deleted at any time.

Please do not recreate the material without addressing these concerns, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If you think this page should not have been deleted for this reason, or you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here.  Schwede 66  19:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa
The project is now two weeks in and the profile of the project is building in the performing arts communities. Editors have created seven new articles in Wikipedia and 291 new and improved entries in Wikidata. These have been tagged in Wikidata to the project using the property p5008 ‘on focus list of Wikimedia project’ – ‘Performing Arts Aotearoa New Zealand.’

Thank you if you have made a contribution already, there will also be lots of other ways to contribute over the coming three and a half months.

The current focus is the Wellington based festival Kia Mau. This weekend Saturday 5th June there is a takeover of the Wellington Meetup with an edit-a-thon focus to Wikify the festival. Kia Mau is an established festival based in Wellington celebrating and promoting “contemporary Māori, Pasifika and international Indigenous live performance experience.” For more information look at the Wellington Meetup page or the Kia Mau Wikiproject Worksheet. Over the next few days resources will be shared, including stubs and links to information. Focusing on this festival will start to address the bias in Wikipedia that means there is low content on indigenous people, plus there are many women involved. Which means you can also add them to the Women in Red projects #1day1woman, some would fit onto the year-long campaign: Women's rights, and some into the June focus Wiki Loves Pride.

Increasing content on women and indigenous people is part of the Performing Arts Aotearoa Wikiproject.

Participating in the Kia Mau editing can be in person or remotely. You can start this week, join for an hour or more on the day, and follow up afterwards also. Any improvements to Wikipedia, Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons content will make a difference.

Please let me know if you have any tips or questions to help me help you. If you aren't in a position to contribute right now that's ok too - take care.

Many thanks, Lisa Maule / Pakoire (talk) 22:06, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Honor McKellar
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Precious
You are recipient no. 2612 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you so much! It's been a lovely 24h. QAI project looks like one for me to check out too! I don't know who was responsible for putting together that second DYK set (with That Bloody Woman) but putting that hook right above one involving Margaret Thatcher (one of whose nicknames was That Bloody Woman) was a little piece of genius that made me smile very much! DrThneed (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * DYK has its moments ;) - I loved St George's Chapel pictured on the centenary of the Duke of Edinburgh. If you look at the history of the nomination you see who closed it, and normally - if no later swaps occurred - that is also the one who placed it in a set. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for That Bloody Woman
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 20 June
Many thanks to all who have contributed so far. There are 28 new Wikipedia articles and over 500 new Wikidata entries. The Kia Mau Festival mini edit-a-thon happened with useful learning for me about what seems simple and what is possible. I am proud of the persistence of editors – a much improved article for Audrey Brown-Pereira for example, a new article for The Māori Sidesteps and lots of links from performance UPU to various poets. And many Wikidata entries.

You can now link to the project page through my website (http://www.lisamaule.info). Easier to remember and google-able (Wikiproject Lisa) if you want to direct other people where to look.

Things to do:

•	DEEPEN CONTENT: Have a look at the new articles on the project page: User:Pakoire/Performing Arts Aotearoa - Wiki Project. Many can be expanded including with this resource: Theatre Aotearoa database https://tadb.otago.ac.nz/theatre

•	LINKABLE ARTICLES: Create articles for a venue, a company or a festival. This will help facilitate biographies being linked to other articles. Suggestions on project page.

•	KEEP GOING with your own area. Let me know what you are up to. See my new research google doc (linked on the project page) – feel free to comment if you need something (ask me for permission to edit)

•	IMPROVE ANY ARTICLE on any performing arts topic, theatre, dance, venues – feel free to use my suggestions as a starting point and then going where it takes you. Reach out for suggestions in your area of interest, or ideas for research. I am a subject expert which helps with searching, and now have a pool of academics and others who I can ask too.

Examples of articles to get formatting ideas:

•	New Zealand Opera

•	Dunedin Writers & Readers Festival

•	Bangarra Dance Theatre

•	Hugo Weaving

•	Tusiata Avia

•	Kia Mau Festival

•	Circa Theatre

•	New Zealand Festival of the Arts

•	Raewyn Hill

Very simple stub articles:

•	Eagles Theatre

•	Camden Fringe

DIARY the three in person edit-a-thons now scheduled 10am - 4pm:

Dunedin Saturday 10 July (location tbc) - topic Allen Hall and contemporary companies in Dunedin

Auckland Saturday 14 August (location tbc) - topic Auckland Women in performing arts

Wellington Saturday 21 August (Nola Millar Library, Te Whaea) - topic Toi Whakaari and New Zealand School of Dance alumni

Many thanks – do what you can (might be nothing, might just be one citation) and take care, Lisa

DYK for Carla Van Zon
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Rosalie Carey
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 04 August
Many thanks to all who have contributed so far. Half way through.

There are two more scheduled edit-a-thons as part of this project: Please diary and attend in person or remotely if you are able.
 * Auckland on Saturday 14 August 10.30am - 4pm at the Auckland Theatre Company studio - 487 Dominion Road, Mt Eden, Auckland 1024. The focus is influential Auckland women in performing arts.
 * Wellington on Saturday 21 Augusts 10.30am - 4pm at the Nola Millar Library, Te Whaea: National Dance and Drama Centre - 11 Hutchison Street, Newtown, Wellington. The focus is staff and graduates of Toi Whakaari and the New Zealand School of Dance.
 * Examples of articles to create: Tanea Heke, Turid Revfeim, Taiaroa Royal, Taane Mete, Sarah Foster-Sproull, Paul Mathews, Dolina Wehipeihana, Miriama McDowell, Cathy Downes, Elizabeth Whiting
 * Examples of articles to improve: New Zealand School of Dance, Hori Ahipene, Mitch Tawhi Thomas, The New Zealand Dance Company, Pop-up Globe

Add suggested articles to the project pages or get in touch with me. A Women in Red (WIR) August campaign is Indigenous women and there are heaps on my list so if you create or improve these articles be sure to tag WIR on the talk page. Pakoire (talk) 09:15, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE WIKIPEDIA There are now 31 new Wikipedia articles reported on the project page that include 19 new biographies, 14 of these about women and six are of people of colour (three Māori people). Keep up the good work. Keep seeking out women and people of colour to celebrate through Wikipedia.

WIKIDATA The targets specified in this project for Wikidata were exceeded within the first week of the project with the concerted efforts of two editors. A Wikidata item was created to track entries. Performing Arts Aotearoa New Zealand (Q106787482). With claims of ethnicity the policy is to include references from a biography, interview or personal website. Ethnicity of white people is strongly encouraged to be included where this information is available. Māori is listed and then also iwi (tribe/s).

EDIT-A-THON DUNEDIN The Ōtepoti Dunedin Edit-a-thon was a success. It was at the Hocken Library on Saturday 10 July. The coordinator Pakoire and co-host DrThneed were joined in person by seven others, which included six new editors from the performing arts community, and two people working remotely in Wellington and Christchurch.

The new editors added 27 references to Wikipedia between them and a total of 2,017 words. Comments from new editors after they had learnt the basics and started editing related to how accessible they found doing it. There was motivation amongst many in the group to continue to meet as a way of progressing the articles they are interested in. With the experienced editors overall including Wikidata the edit-a-thon added 48.1K words, 4 commons uploads, 245 references, across 53 articles including 4 new Wikipedia articles and 15 new Wikidata articles. COI Conflict of interest (COI) is an area of consideration for editing in performing arts, since most subject experts are also practicing arts and producers. The edit-a-thon / meetup format was useful and people worked on unrelated articles but in tandem with others who knew where to get information.

IMAGES There is more work to do to create opportunities to upload images to Wikimedia Commons under appropriate licences, as predicted this involves a lot of education with individuals and organisations as well as motivating people to follow through. Take some pics of a local entertainment venue and upload them. Music venues, amateur arts, town hall, converted theatre, you would be surprised what isn’t there.

SUPPORT All edits count - reach out if you need help or guidance and many thanks for any contribution you can make.

Pakoire (talk) 09:15, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Allen Hall Theatre
 Schwede 66  12:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Lisa Warrington
 Schwede 66  12:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

August 2021
Hello, I'm 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 20:35, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Kia ora DrThneed, just for the record, I disagree with this IP editor. Keep up your good work!  Schwede 66  23:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you for the support. I don't object to all their changes, but some of them are petty, and some are just wrong (Massive Theatre Company and Pop-Up Globe are definitely notable!) and personalising edit summaries is just not nice. I wonder if they realise how demoralising it is to have someone follow you around and snipe at you. Sigh. DrThneed (talk) DrThneed (talk) 23:52, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you are subject to WP:HOUNDING, there are things that can be done about it. As you can see in the relevant policy, the important component of hounding is disruption to another user's own enjoyment of editing. The most severe retribution is a block for the offending party. Please say if you see need for further action. Courtesy ping of User talk:2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63, given that we are discussing their conduct.  Schwede 66  00:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, perhaps some elaboration is in order. If the issues were major, I would have categorized them as such; instead, what I found in several articles was an inclination toward puffery or promotion, and was clear about that in edit summaries ; ; . Perhaps you can establish the notability of the aforementioned theatrical organizations--I'm going by the fact that neither appears to be the subject of an article here yet. It's not clear to the casual reader, and including them in an article lede, as a major piece of a biography, requires that we support their significance. Similarly, I'm wondering why you've included so many non notable crew members in Waiora Te Ūkaipō - The Homeland; actors and directors, especially if they are notable, merit mention. Not so regional lighting directors, etc. I applaud the creation of these articles. But it's neither petty, sniping, or 'not nice' to steer a constructive editor toward neutrality. We can all agree that They are known for producing excellent theatre and The galleries are known for hosting cutting-edge exhibitions of both regional and national importance don't belong in an encyclopedia. Don't be demoralized, but please be aware of any biases that may exist. I'd be happy to hear why you or think that I'm wrong. Thanks, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 00:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Pop-up Globe, Massive Theatre Company DrThneed (talk) 00:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Drthneed. Since you hadn't linked them in the bio, I mistakenly thought they weren't already covered here. The Globe article has a world of problems, but that's another story. Much appreciated. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 00:49, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * They were linked in the article, where I tend to think it is most useful to a reader, just not in the lead (but I'll be sure to link both in future). DrThneed (talk) DrThneed (talk) 01:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 19 August
A short update this time. The project has created 74 new Wikipedia articles and improvements to many. An example is one person has been working through improving and creating notable composers of New Zealand which is a great enhancement to Wikipedia. There is a now a regular meetup happening in Ōtepoti.

The COVID19 status of New Zealand means the next workshop is fully online. Wellington Saturday 21 August

'''Saturday 21 Aug ZOOM Wikipedia Edit-a-thon ''' Lisa Maule is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85672644820?pwd=QnJWdXk1TCtZenBEaHJMZEZGbXRWdz09

Meeting ID: 856 7264 4820 Passcode: 907118

Wikidata weekly summary #482
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 


 * Discussions
 * Open request for adminship: MusikBot II (RfP scheduled to end after 26 August 2021 03:07 UTC)


 * Events
 * Upcoming:
 * The next Wikibase live session is at 16:00 UTC on Thursday 26th August 2021 (18:00 Berlin time). You're welcome to come and share your work around Wikibase.
 * Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: Érica Azzellini and Éder Porto on MBABEL, a tool which creates seed Wikipedia articles based on Wikidata statements. Agenda with call link, August 24.
 * BiCIKL Hackathon at the Meise Botanic Garden, September 20 - 24. Theme: adding articles/items about “Hidden women in science” on Wikipedia/Wikidata. If you're interested to participate, please write to maarten.trekels@undefinedplantentuinmeise.be
 * Past:
 * Wikimania 2021 Wikidata related events (summary of sessions and community gatherings related to Wikidata and Wikibase)
 * Neat and tidy: data quality on Wikidata
 * Integrating Wikidata into the Wikimedia projects
 * Preparing languages for natural language generation using Wikidata lexicographical (Arctic Knot 2021)


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * Articles
 * 50 cool new things you can now do with KB’s collection highlights - KB collection highlights project meme English.jpg In this series of 5 articles we show the added value of putting images and metadata of digitised collection highlights of the KB, national library of the Netherlands, into the Wikimedia infrastructure. By putting our collection highlights into Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia, dozens of new functionalities have been added. As a result of Wikifying this collection in 2020, you can now do things with these highlights that were not possible before. Article by OlafJanssen, DanielleJWiki and 1Veertje_(KB)
 * Blogs
 * Organizing the Public Data about a Researcher - Charles Tapley Hoyt
 * The Invisible Citation Commons - Phoebe Ayers and Samuel J. Klein
 * The Wikidata data model and your SPARQL queries - Bob DuCharme
 * Wikidata or scraping Wikipedia - Denny Vrandečić
 * Videos
 * Introduction to Wikidata SPARQL query service (in Arabic) - YouTube


 * Tools of the week
 * Python script to Add structured data to files on Wikimedia Commons from an Excel sheet (Github) - by OlafJanssen


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Wikidata:Query Builder has been deployed: Try it!
 * The "Wikidata Quickstatements" translator which lets users transfer metadata about citation sources from Zotero into Wikidata, no longer needs to be manually installed. Existing manually-installed versions should update automatically, like other translators.
 * Wikidata Query Service scaling updates for Aug 2021


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: UEFA stadium category, mix or remix of
 * External identifiers: Palynodata taxa ID, CDDA designationTypeCode, PsycNET ID, Penguin Random House author ID, Palynodata publications ID, Mapping the Lives ID, WiiG game ID, SNK ID, arheologi.ro ID, Enciclopedia dell'Arte Antica ID, Asian Historical Architecture structure ID, Likee username


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: hunting areas, number of evacuated, External wiki, Код Энциклопедия ислама (второе издание), SCTA ID
 * External identifiers: TeamNL player ID, Finnish National Gallery ID, Online Begraafplaatsen memorial ID, NDL earlier law ID, Cinemaitaliano IDs, KNHB ID, Deutsche-Sporthilfe-ID, Convict Records ID, Australian Medical Pioneers Index, YouTube Music, Gujarati Vishwakosh entry, WikiApiary farm, copyright registration, Mozilla extension ID, NRK TV-ID, Enciclopedia dell'Arte Medievale ID, ECO code


 * Query examples:
 * Predicates implicated in non-scholarly-article item bloat (source)
 * Church of Scotland Synods as Geoshapes (Source)
 * Map of the origin of Balinese palm-leaf manuscripts, current location (Source)
 * Current principal local authorities in England


 * Development
 * Deployed the new shiny Query Builder to https://query.wikidata.org/querybuilder
 * Edits to labels, descriptions and aliases on mobile are now also tagged as edits made via the user interface. All edits made via the user interface are now tagged as such. (T286775)
 * ArticlePlaceholder pages will now indicate that they are generated by the ArticlePlaceholder thanks to a patch by Luca (T124191)
 * Working on making it possible to restrict constraints to certain entity types (T269724)
 * Adding a new constraint type to ensure Items have a label in a certain language (T195178)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) 14:46, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

OpenRefine
Hello! I'm finally getting round to working on Open Refine properly, I remember you saying there was someone who had really good videos on it? Do you mind linking them to me? Hope you are well in lockdown! Susan Tol (talk) 22:28, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , Hi Susan, All well here, although with homeschooling I get less time to Wiki which is always a struggle! The OpenRefine presentation I was thinking of was this walkthrough by Sandra Fauconnier, it covers all the basics of what it can do, such that you can then look up specific issues (like what expression to use to do a particular thing) separately:
 * Wiki World Heritage User Group #OpenRefine training with Sandra Fauconnier via youtube video https://youtube.com/watch?v=gmEBQ6G_Huw cc FYI
 * For a more practical tutorial I recommend working through a Carpentries workshop - they step you through how things work and have sample data to try. Start here https://librarycarpentry.org/lc-open-refine/
 * And finally, there are some resources on the Aotearoa group page here that cover specific things like how to upload edits via QuickStatements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Aotearoa_New_Zealand_Online
 * And of course I'm always happy to answer questions any time! DrThneed (talk) 03:46, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And finally, there are some resources on the Aotearoa group page here that cover specific things like how to upload edits via QuickStatements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Aotearoa_New_Zealand_Online
 * And of course I'm always happy to answer questions any time! DrThneed (talk) 03:46, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And of course I'm always happy to answer questions any time! DrThneed (talk) 03:46, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm sure I will have heaps of questions but I will get started with these. Good luck with homeschooling! Hopefully Dunedin won't be in Lockdown for too much longer! Susan Tol (talk) 02:31, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 08 September
The Performing Arts Aotearoa Wikiproject officially ends in 2 days. I am happy with the momentum that has built since the project started. Many thanks to everybody who was able to contribute.

There are 99 new articles listed on the project page. Performing Arts Aotearoa Wikiproject
 * If there are others not listed please can you update.
 * If you have a draft waiting to be moved into main space please list it too (or move it)

I am looking to maintain the project in an ongoing way connected to New Zealand Wikipedia, I will let you know where.

Pakoire (talk) 03:35, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Janet Wilmshurst
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK Kadınlar Dünyası
Greetings @ DrThneed

This has ref to your post @ WP:WiR about DYK. There is one abandoned but potentially a good Draft:Women's World (Ottoman magazine) which was first feminist magazine in Turkey (in a way first feminist magazine in Muslim world).

My hands are already too engaged to spare time to work in detail on it's DYK but may be that can be a potentially good candidate for DYK.

Thanks and warm regards

&#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39; (talk) 11:46, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know, I'll take a look. DrThneed (talk) 23:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I came across this new article Anti-monuments in Mexico may be you want to have a look for DYK purpose.

&#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39; (talk) 06:32, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Meeting Invitation: to establish Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Inc ("WANZ Inc") as an Incorporated Society and register as a charitable entity
Kia ora,

We are meeting on Thursday 17 March at 7.30pm on Zoom to establish Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Inc ("WANZ Inc") as an Incorporated Society. Please do join us. You can find more information here

Einebillion (talk) 06:58, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Women's World (Ottoman magazine)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 12 May 2022
A year after the Performing Arts Aotearoa project started and as we are coming into winter (a busier editing time for many) here is an update.

The Performing Arts Aotearoa Wikiproject now lives on the WikiProject New Zealand page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_New_Zealand/Performing_Arts_Aotearoa

I have added new articles created as part of the Pacific Arts Aotearoa Wikiproject. These articles by new editors include Lusi Faiva, Suli Moa, Edith Amituanai and Amanaki Prescott-Faletau, who was interviewed on Radio New Zealand last Sunday. The reporter let me know the article was valuable for the interview research – great feedback for all of us creating and improving content in Wikipedia.

On the project page is highlighted plenty of articles to create or improve. I invite you to have a look and contribute if you can. There are many long-standing festivals in Aotearoa without articles such as the Hawkes Bay Arts Festival, Tauranga Festival of the Arts, Taranaki International Arts Festival, Nelson Arts Festival and the Christchurch Arts Festival. Creating these Wikipedia pages or Wikidata items allows links to biographies and strengthens the weaving of Wikipedia.

Other suggestions for new articles:
 * Notable women - Jane Yonge, Amber Cureen, Eleanor Bishop (director)
 * Director of the Te Tairāwhiti Arts Festival and musician - Tama Waipara
 * Notable theatre companies - Prayas Theatre, The Conch (theatre company), Barbarian Productions

Reach out to me if you want guidance on any aspects of Wikipedia, or a collegial conversation about writing encyclopaedic entries on performing arts. I can set up a zoom, or direct you to places for help.

Please try to remember to add any relevant articles improved or created to the lists on the project page so the impact can be seen. Take your name off the project page if you don’t want to get these sporadic updates. I will keep an eye on new articles and I have an ongoing campaign to get more images uploaded so we can illustrate the articles too. I have resources on Wikimedia Commons if you are interested. Feel free to contact me on my talk page.

Pakoire (talk) 02:20, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Floating Islanders: Pasifika Theatre in Aotearoa
Kia ora DrThneed! Hope you are keeping well. I noticed you created Kila Kokonut Krew and am wondering if you have easy access to this book by any chance? I have started Draft:Stacey Leilua and suspect it might have some useful info about her, seeing as she was a founding member and company director for many years. If not, not to worry, I'll pop to the library at some point. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 02:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Chocmilk03 Nice to hear from you. All good here. Unfortunately I don't have that book, I had it from the uni library while the performing arts wikiproject was on, but have long returned it. But it is a book that @Pakoire might have to hand? Cheers, DrThneed DrThneed (talk) 03:05, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Chocmilk03 - I do have the book. There are references in one section to her. I'll get in touch with you. Pakoire (talk) 21:12, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pakoire @DrThneed many thanks both! Much appreciated. :) Chocmilk03 (talk) 21:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated - Draft Strategy 2022-2025 Feedback Round
Kia ora,

The Committee of Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated have developed a draft strategy for 2022 -2025. Feedback from members of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand that are New Zealanders or residents of Pacific islands without an established chapter is encouraged. The draft strategy can be read and commented on at this Google docs link  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XoqMupo_5TlLs_6xuMU-3KU5_Lzks8unwFRo4QuDVM4/edit?usp=sharing  or in the discussion page of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand by adding a New Topic. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_User_Group_of_Aotearoa_New_Zealand   The feedback round closes at midnight Sunday 9 October 2022. Einebillion (talk) 03:24, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Keith Sheen
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Ned Dobbs
Vanamonde 00:03, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Great work on this article/hook, DrThneed! I clicked on it without realising it would turn out to be a Kiwi subject, and written by a familiar editor at that. :) Chocmilk03 (talk) 08:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, DrThneed. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Deirdre Hart, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the request edit template);
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Conflict of interest);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Spam);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 01:34, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I have never met Deirdre Hart, do not work at the same institution as her, and as far as I know do not know anyone that knows her (although this being New Zealand I probably do). I am not a geographer, and do not have any work overlap with Hart. I don't know on what basis you have decided I might have a conflict of interest, would you care to explain? I am working through a list of New Zealand professors who need Wikipedia pages, and that is the only reason she has come to my attention. DrThneed (talk) 01:39, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * , Dr Thneed forgot to ping you with her reply but I'd like to know as well how you came to your conclusion.  Schwede 66  22:44, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Please stop altering valid citations to another format
Please immediately stop your alteration of valid citation formats such as Cite Q in articles to your apparent preference of a fully spelled out citation using cite thesis. No improvement to the citation, to WP:Verifiability, or to the article results from these changes. They are unnecessary, and are in violation of WP:CITEVAR. I undid half a dozen or so of your recent edits altering valid citations to cite thesis, but there are that I did not restore, because you appear to have been doing these at at bot-speed, perhaps with the assistance of WP:AWB or some other script, which is another violation. If you have some valid reason to change all these correctly formatted citations, please make a proposal at a centralized location and gain consensus for it, before continuing. Any further edits of this type could be seen as disruptive. Thank you. Mathglot (talk) 07:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Undid two more; hopefully they will light up your notifs, and you'll come read this. Mathglot (talk) 07:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that you are upset about my work @Mathglot. I have no intention to be disruptive. There is a good reason for what I am doing. But firstly, your accusation of using a bot is unfair, I am making the changes manually. I have created citation templates with ref tags in a spreadsheet for all the theses that are part of the New Zealand Thesis Project. That means I can simply paste the citation in, so I appreciate that the speed of editing might look suspicious but perhaps you should not leap to accuse so readily?
 * The vast majority of the citations that I am changing were inserted by me or other members of the New Zealand Thesis Project. This project uses data from institutional repositories to improve access to New Zealand dissertations. I am a big fan of CiteQ and use it by choice! We were led to believe that we would be able to measure the impact of the project through Altmetrics tracking of the citations. We thus used the CiteQ template to cite more than 700 theses on Wikipedia.However we have recently discussed this with Altmetric and discovered that they cannot track CiteQ nor any citations in infoboxes. This means it is impossible for the 13 institutions we are working with to see the impact of the work we have done. Do you see the problem? Given that the majority of the citations I am changing were made through the NZ Thesis Wikiproject it did not seem unreasonable to me to change them back to a different form of citation. I am ensuring when I do so that a URL to the digitised copy is included if there was one available, so from a reader's perspective I don't think there is much difference. DrThneed (talk) 07:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mathglot I should also add that Altmetric are looking into whether they can track CiteQ in future. If they do develop the capability I very happily promise to change all these cites (and any others to NZ Thesis Project theses) back to CiteQ again (unless that would also be accused of being disruptive). DrThneed (talk) 08:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for stopping, and for replying here. Please read carefully: I did not say you were using a bot, but were doing edits at "bot-speed" (a subtle difference, perhaps, but one echoed in policy), which you have confirmed; thank you for that. You don't actually have to be using a bot for it to be potentially problematic.
 * I do see the tracking problem you describe, but in my view, the Cite Q citations were no worse than the Cite thesis ones you are replacing them with, meaning they should not be replaced without some kind of consensus for it. I would go further: Cite Q has advantages, in that it guarantees a valid citation (at least, once it stabilizes, which should happen rather quickly) no matter where it is used; that is a striking advantage. Nevertheless, there might be consensus to remove them now; but is there? I don't think that decision should be made by one person, or even necessarily by a WikiProject (per WP:CONLEVEL considerations; you could try, and see what happens; likely as not, a strong local consensus would carry the day). As far as offline companies or projects being unable to track the citations, that seems disappointing for the hopes of the project, but completely irrelevant as to how to address the question at issue at Wikipedia. That no doubt dashed some hopes and perhaps scuttles the project on our side, but I see nothing in our policy or guidance that says that these helpful citations must therefore be removed, because they were initially placed so some outside company could do something that they ultimately cannot do. Our actions should be determined by what's best for the encyclopedia, hopefully duly expressed in our P&G.
 * I'm open to being persuaded that they should be removed, but I haven't heard anything policy-based in favor of that so far. What, in fact, is the motivation for removing them at this point? Do you see an improvement to the articles from which they have been removed? Because if not, that should raise a red flag. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 08:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mathglot I type fast but honestly, I don't think I approach the speed of an actual bot! I'm still reading articles to find the right citation, checking details, adding short descriptions and missing categories etc. as I go.
 * It is a bit upsetting to be accused of removing citations when I am in fact replacing them. Isn't that an important distinction? The citation is properly formatted with links to the repository, the institution name, the year, the type of thesis etc. I feel the impact on the articles of the citation template change is trivial, the only part of the CiteQ it does include is a link to the Wikidata item. And as I said I would happily change them all back the minute they became trackable. If you don't see a benefit to citations being trackable I'm not sure what to say, the entire academic community depends on it! Unhappily when I started using CiteQ I faced editors who insisted it wasn't a valid citation template and reverted those changes too.
 * I improved most of articles considerably by putting the citations in to start with. As I said, I do other work on articles as I go, so there are other benefits to doing this work other than just changing the citation template. Not all the citations I have changed were in the CiteQ template. Some were in journal or book form, or made by pasting the QID into Citoid which gives a very poor citation for a thesis (so these citations are often missing the fact it is a thesis at all, the type of thesis, the repository name, title, year, link to digitised copy etc). Those citations have been considerably improved by the citation format I am using. DrThneed (talk) 08:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Mathglot, CITEVAR doesn't apply to these uses of Cite Q, CITEVAR is when a complete article has one style (say, Harvard) and someone changes it to another style. One could even argue that by removing these Cite Qs, the citing style is actually made more consistent in some cases, but in general it just stays the same. Editors changing this external, opaque template to an internal, clear one should be encouraged, not reverted and chided. Furthermore, in the examples I saw, DrThneed was improving the citations, making them more consistent. Please let them continue with this useful change, unless you have actual arguments why their change makes the article worse than it was. Fram (talk) 09:03, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes it does apply, for a couple of reasons. You are correct in stating that one of the purposes of CITEVAR is when an article is mostly one style (such as short footnotes), with some oddball stragglers that swim against the current (such as inline cites between ref-tags), but that simply is not the case here: both are CS1-style inline citations embedded within &lt;ref> tags, and the change from to is not making the style more consistent, as it would be, say, if, you changed from to or to the use of sfn, if the rest of the article used one of those styles. This change is more like changing from CS1 cite dictionary to CS1 cite web: that is *not* a change in citation style, and neither is this. So, there is nothing happening here that is making the citations more consistent in the article; that is simply false. Secondly: section of that page lists seven cases where it's generally okay to change references, and not one of them applies; in particular, bullet #3 does not apply.
 * It's contrary to the guideline, It's not a useful change, it was better before, and there should be consensus demonstrated that is strong enough to make a case that the article would be better for such a change in this case, despite what the guideline says. That should be possible to do, as WP:CITE is not policy; however, that step should be taken before unilaterally making mass changes of this sort; one person's view about this (or even two, if the guideline seems to say different) is simply not enough. Mathglot (talk) 09:37, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Look, in the end, this isn't important enough to me to bother about; you wanna do it, go ahead and do it. But just recognize that it is counter to what the guideline says, and it could be that next time you or someone wants to do it, somebody else will care enough about it to take it further than I'm willing to. I won't stand in your way, if this is what's really going to make your day. Have fun. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 09:43, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Vague threaths about what someone else might do, classy. Fram (talk) 09:50, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mathglot @Fram thank you both for your input. I appreciate your points, Mathglot, although I don't agree with your interpretation of the guideline. For my own satisfaction that I am not being disruptive I will seek an opinion on the interpretation of CITEVAR from a couple of other experienced editors before I change any further CiteQs. DrThneed (talk) 09:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * (ec)You haven't explained how it's contrary to any guideline, actually. The cites are more consistent as they are all local, use the same style of names, indicating the publisher, using better dates (e.g. not being incorrectly precise with "1 January" dates)... You link to 7 cases given as examples where changing is helpful, but below this are three cases where it should be avoided, none of these apply either. You claim "it was better before" without any evidence for this, and with your claims that a guideline supports your opinion (first CITEVAR, now CITE) severely lacking. Fram (talk) 09:50, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Mathglot, I have this talk page on my watchlist as I've done a lot of work on the NZThesis project, too. I'm flabbergasted by your wikilawyering, which I don't consider helpful nor do I appreciate it. If we decide to deal with the citations differently because it enables tracking, why should that be of any bother to you? DrThneed had flagged this approach and I didn't even consider replying to the suggestion as it seemed such an obvious improvement to the overall project objectives. I respectfully suggest that you back off and let us get on with the work.  Schwede 66  08:58, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You should not be undoing progress on Wikipedia to meet the needs of Altmetric; it's up to them to update their processes if they are inadequate for their (commercial?) purpose. I believe I made this point to you previously, then you asked what approach to take. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "Progress", hah. He is making the articles better than they were with the CiteQ template. Fram (talk) 10:20, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Pigsonthewing, yes we did discuss Altmetric and CiteQ previously, and I was glad you were able to remove the wording that made them think it was still an experimental template. They have since agreed to pass my request to track CiteQ on to the developers, but nothing will happen very soon (if it does happen - although perhaps if they had a few more people requesting they track it, it might help?). Altmetric is widely used by libraries and universities to track citations, I think we should care whether they can see the impact of our work or not. From my perspective, I have 13 institutions whose work is being cited on Wikipedia but who cannot see it. I want them to agree to put the work in to continue donating data to Wikidata, in order to benefit Wikidata and Wikipedia, but they need to see that donating that data has an impact. The benefit of changing citation templates thus accrues at a higher level than the individual article.
 * I would also like to point out that citing theses on Wikipedia is a pain in the ass however you do it. Even CiteQ, designed to work with Wikidata items, with a beautifully formatted Wikidata item, requires adjustment in source editing to give a nice citation. But I'm not trying to upset anyone, so for now I'll just stick with fixing citations that are not showing that they are a thesis, what kind they are, or where the name or date is displaying improperly. DrThneed (talk) 20:06, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Archiving a talk page
Kia ora DrThneed, your talk page is getting awfully long. Help:Archiving a talk page lays out what the options are. Let me know if you'd like a hand setting something up (that said, I do all my own archiving manually but that's just me).  Schwede 66  22:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Can you tell I was the kid who refused to tidy their room for weeks and then eventually just shoved it all under the bed? I'll get to it at some point I promise! DrThneed (talk) 22:35, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't ever ask my mother about my childhood escapades!  Schwede 66  23:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Lynda Simmons
-- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Congrats @DrThneed, I enjoyed researching her and I'm really glad to see your DYK is on the front page!  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 04:45, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Dr vulpes it was great to be able to point to her article during the editathon yesterday! DrThneed (talk) 04:48, 21 May 2023 (UTC)