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Little green men
Thank you for your (considerable) additions to Little green men – very interesting. --Bruce1ee 09:26, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

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Proposal pending at 9/11 conspiracy theories
I have officially proposed to split the 9/11 conspiracy theories article, with the two most in depth areas being moved to separate articles at Allegations of Jewish or Israeli complicity in 9/11 and Allegations of U.S. government complicity in 9/11. I feel this will help alleviate the problem of the main article being too large and allow these two distinct concepts to be discussed in depth separately. Further division may be in order in the future, but I feel this is an important first step. Please check out the discussion at Talk:9/11_conspiracy_theories. Thank you. Blackcats 04:57, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

What's going on ?! Answer in 6 words
See Robertson Panel and Brookings Report. Martial Law 00:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC) :)

The former protocol uses psychiatrists in it, so that all who see UFOs and/or aliens will be declared mentally unfit, i.e. crazy, nuts, etc. Martial Law 00:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

The Robertson Panel protocol was initiated by the CIA to "reduce", if not eliminate interest in UFOs, aliens, that sort of thing in 1953. This is intended to ridicule any and all who see these things, are interested in these matters. I've been all over the US and its the same all over the place. People has told me, to be polite, that IF there is alien contact, the people all over the planet will revolt in reaction to it for both religious reasons, such as, "The Devil is here, and the Govt. is in cahoots with Satan", and in revenge for being ridiculed, disrespected by the protocol contained in the Robertson Panel, other related protocol that is STILL going on. Those that are religious believe that aliens,UFOs are "of The Devil". Martial Law 00:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC) :)

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There are "fair-use" exemptions for this use in a non-profit context. Dr. Fil, please email me through my website (linked through my signed user name at the end of this post), if you have the time to do so.--Michaelsayers 23:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

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New organization
The new organization s called Paranormal Watchers. Here is your invitation, considering the subject matter. Martial Law 04:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Your invite
We would like you to join us. Martial Law 22:56, 20 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Will you join us ?
Will you join us ? Martial Law 05:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC) :)

Civility
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Need for skepticism II
I read your objection to my edit and have responded in what I hope will be seen as a constructive manner.Rikstar 11:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you
Thank you for improving the UFO article, your work is very much appreciated :-).

I just wanted to add my thanks for adding the link to the famous Hart UFO photos, and the link to the LIFE magazine UFO article, in the Lubbock Lights page. Given their importance to the Lubbock Lights story, I think it really adds to the article. Again, thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.145.229.162 (talk) 04:24, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

May 2008
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About your editing at Unidentified Flying Object
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Suggestion to collaborate on new biographical page re: Paul R Hill
First can I apologise if this is not the correct way to communicate on Wikipedia - this is my first 'edit' and one thing I am sure of is that I haven't got my head around how this is supposed to work yet! I was disappointed to miss the debate on the Paul Hill page deletion. I searched for something about him yesterday and found the page then, and was reflecting on my possible comments overnight, but I was evidently too late. I would be happy to collaborate on a new biographical entry for Hill, but would struggle to do the actual drafting (other than in Word and then sending it to someone who actually understands how this site works!). My impression is that Hill's notability rests in part on his contribution to the developmnent of the US space programme and other elements of his work as an aerodynamacist, which would be of specialist interest to students of the history of the space programme, and of engineering, but to a greater extent on his book ' Unconventional Flying Objects'. The point to me is not if one agrees with Hill's conclusion concerning the ETH or not, nor if that conclusion is controversial or not (the range of topics in the latter category is considerable), but rather that the work is widely referenced by others in the debate concerning UFOs and so biographical information concerning the author would be of interest to this group also. I do not know how this fits the precise criteria of the site, but...Perhaps more significantly I did feel that the original article could have been developed. It would have benefited from many of the references to Hill's engineering and research work you located, and from reducing the amount of content from his book that was included. An important point would be to note the controverial and generally unaccepted status of the ETH and Hill's hypotheses (Condon and Gilmore, 1968 etc. might suffice, although I can't see any specific skeptical reference against Hill's actual work). This could be balanced by noting some of the prominent scientists that have supported the ETH, as you described, such as Hynek, Sturrock, (perhaps also the Deardoff et al 2005 paper in JBIS...?. I will pop back to look at this page over the next few days to see if this idea might be relevance for you. Once again apologise if I have inadevertantly breached any protocols. Anthony Mugan (talk) 10:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)Anthony Mugan

Thanks for the reply - apologies in not realising sooner that it went back to my page (very much a novice at this evidently! I had set it up on the spur of the moment thinking I would draft a Hill page myself as the deletion rather irritated me, but I suspect I should merely be a helper on this one!). Let me know if I can be of any assistance (e.g. comments on drafts etc.) I think your approach is appropriate. One wonders what they would make of Michio Kaku now, given his recent comments!!Anthony Mugan (talk) 09:41, 9 February 2011 (UTC)Anthony Mugan

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Paul R Hill - possible draft
Hello

A while ago we had a conversation around the Paul R Hill page that got deleted. It's been one of those things I've thought about over the intervening period a few times. I wonder what you think about the following draft? I was wondering if a joint collaboration my be of interest, as you may well have wider sources of information and clearly understand the Wikipedia technicalities much better that I! I have also made use of some of your previous research, for which I feel you should be credited. My email address is educationdata.solutions@virgin.net, or I'll try to keep and eye on my talk page. (The text below has lost all it formating, but I hope it makes sense!).

Paul R Hill Paul Richard Hill (1909-1990) was a “renowned”1 mid – twentieth century American aerodymanicist. He was a leading research and development engineer and manager for NASA (National Aeronautical and Space Administration) and its predecessor, NACA (the National Advisory Council for Aeronautics) between 1939 and 1970, retiring as Associate Chief, Applied Materials and Physics Division at the NASA Langley Research Centre1,2. He is arguably most widely known today as the author of ‘Unconventional Flying Objects: a Scientific Analysis’3 Background Hill was born in Odebolt, Iowa in February 1909 4. After graduating with a B.S. in mechanical engineering from University of California, Berkeley in 1936 he was Professor of Aeronautics  at the Polytechnic College of Engineering in Oakland, California for three years before joining the National Advisory Committee of Aeronautics (NACA) in 1939. He continued to work in a range of senior R&D management roles when NACA became the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) in 1958 at the NASA Langley Research Centre1. Hill was married to Frances Hoback Hill (d. 1999). They had one daughter, Julie M. Hill.4 Paul Richard Hill died on April 9th 1990 in the James River Regional Convalescent Centre, Newport Mews.4 The Paul R Hill Special Collection is held by the Archives of American Aerospace.1 He was awarded NASA’s Exceptional Service Medal in 19695. This award was “… granted for significant achievement or service characterized by unusual initiative or creative ability that clearly demonstrates substantial improvement in engineering, administative, space flight, or space-related endeavors which contribute to NASA programs”5. In 1970 Hill received a citation for outstanding scientific leadership for “directing research applicable to space laboratories and other spacecraft.”3

NACA and NASA Research

During the second world war Hill co-authored a number of technical NACA papers6,7, focusing on aerodynamic aspects of aircraft performance. Hill was also involved in NACA collaboration with the Republic aircraft company, assisting in the design of the highly successful P-47 fighter. Hill’s specific role was in in the aerodynamic design.3, 8 In the immediate post war period Hill made a number of significant contributions to the development of ram jet technology, including establishing and supervising the Wallops Island ram jet test flight programme3 and authoring the first NACA technical paper on ram jet technology9.

By the early 1950’s, in part inspired by his personal interest in the ‘flying saucer’ or ‘UFO’ phenomenon, Hill began experimenting in his own time with kinesthetically controlled flying platforms3. This led to an official project, which Hill initiated with Charles Zimmerman, who had been independently working on similar concepts for some time10. This project designed and test flew such patforms in collaboration with the United States Air Force, the Royal Canadian Airforce and the US Office of Naval Research. The increased understanding of the aerodynamic and performance characteristics of such platforms informed future design work for the Lunar Landing Module (LM), other VTOL designs and experiments with disc shaped aircraft in the period 3, 10,11,12, 13,.

In the early 1950s Hill was part of a specially-assembled advisory panel of “great men” 14 aerodynamicists advising Sandia Labs on problems encountered with the design of the second generation bombs (H – bombs). In addition to Hill, who at this time headed NACA’s Pilotless Aircraft Division, the “great men” listed by Dr Robert F Brodsky of Sandia Labs in his memoir14 were Jack Northrop (founder of Northrop Aircraft), George Schairer (Chief of aerodynamics at Boeing), Ira H. Abbott (“a legendary engineer”14), Ed Heinemann (Chief engineer Douglas Aircraft), Dr. Alex Charters (“a famous ballistician”14), Al Sibilia (Vought aircraft chief of aerodynamics), Dr. Charles Poor (Chief Scientist Army’s Ballisic Research Laboratory), and “several other distinguished engineers”14. It was Hill and Charters, however, whom Brodsky called the “heroes”14. Hill’s specific contribution was in diagnosing the aerodynamic problems in the bomb design3, 14, though Brodsky acknowledges that at the time they were ignored until a year later when the Sandia scientists realized they were right. “Both experts were correct, but they were too far ahead of us technically”. 14 In 1956 the US Air Force established project HYWARDS, with the aim of developing a hypersonic design capable of up to Mach 12, as a successor to the X-1515. The aerospace historian, James Hansen notes that a number of NACA engineers later joined the initial HYWARDS study group at Langley Research Centre “notably Paul Hill, configuration and propulsion…”15 Hill made a number of important contributions, particularly in the design of hypersonic wind tunnels.3, 16

By 1959 Hill became involved in research for a future lunar mission. A lunar study group was established under the leadership of Clint Brown who asked for the participation of six of “Langley's most thoughtful analysts: David Adamson, Supersonic Aerodynamics Division; Paul R. Hill, PARD; John C. Houbolt, Dynamic Loads Division; Albert A. Schy, Stability Research Division; Samuel Katzoff, Full-Scale Research Division; and Bill Michael of his own Theoretical Mechanics Division”.17 This was one of many study groups to examine a lunar mission during the period, with arguably its major contribution being in initiating the concept of rendevous in orbit between a lander and a main spacecraft.17

Space station research began in earnest at NASA-Langley in the early 1960’s and Hill played a prominent role. The historian James Hansen describes Hill as one of two “ key members of Langley’s early space station research” (along with Robert Osborne).17, 18, with again much of Hill’s pioneering work feeding into later developments.17, 19

“Of all those who contributed to the Moon decision, the ones farthest in the background were the engineers of Langley and Goddard and Marshall, many of whom devoted their lives to spaceflight, designing dreams ...”19

Interest in Unidentified Flying Objects Hill maintained a long-term interest in Unidentified Flying Objects. He had two personal UFO sightings. The first, on July 16th 1952, was with his future wife, Frances Hoback, and was reported to the USAF Blue Book project.20 This sighting was officially classified as aeroplanes as a flight of bombers were in the area.21 The then head of Blue Book, Captain (later Major) Edward Ruppelt was later to write of the case, however, “The only possible solution to the sighting was that the two men (sic) had seen airplanes. We investigated this report and found that there were several B-26's from Langley AFB in the area at the time of the sighting, but none of the B-26 pilots remembered being over Hampton Roads. In fact, all of them had generally stayed well south of Norfolk until about 10:30P.M. because of thunderstorm activity northwest of Langley. Then there were other factors - the observers heard no sound and they were away from all city noises, aircraft don't carry just one or two amber lights, and the distance between the two lights was such that had they been on an airplane the airplane would have been huge or very close to the observers. And last, but not least, the man from the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics was a very famous aerodynamicist and of such professional stature that if he said the lights weren't airplanes they weren't.”22 Hill’s second personal UFO sighting, in 1962, was not reported to Bluebook, but is described in his book.3 Hill was a strong proponent of the extraterrestrial hypothesis, which suggests that some UFOs represent structural craft of extraterrestrial origin. After retiring from NASA he developed his analysis with the aim of demonstrating that those UFOs that are not misidentifications of mundane objects or phenomena, have a coherent and consistent set of performance characteristics that are in line with what is allowable within physical theory. Hill presented his case within his book, ‘Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis’3. The book was published posthumously, following a number of rejections from publishers during Hill’s life time.23 Whilst ‘Unconventional Flying Objects’ was well received by pro-UFO commentators24 and is widely referenced by pro-UFO writers25,26,27,28 it must be noted that the extraterrestrial hypothesis is not generally accepted and that the mainstream scientific view remains that UFO reports contain nothing of scientific value.29

Interest in psi phenomenon In an interview in 2000 Hill’s daughter, Julie, described her father’s interst in psi research: “He spoke about a friend who was a psychic and experiments they did. He said he set up a pinwheel experiment – I don’t know how, but he knew how to set up an experiment that would be valid – and he told me that for about a week he could turn it with his mind, with his thoughts, but after about a week he couldn’t do it anymore. He also told me a story about being in a car parked on the street, he was into thought experiments, and he said he projected a thought into her mind to get into my car, and as the woman was walking by the car she stopped, opened the door and sat down and looked at him, and I don’t know if she shrieked or what but she was absolutely stunned at what she was doing. He said, I willed her to get into the car, and she did. I think he was as shocked as she was. They were both shocked. He told me when I was in my late teens, and this was before Shirley Maclaine and astral projection, that when he slept, he could float out of his body at night and float on the ceiling and look down and watch himself sleep. He never said he went anywhere or saw fantastic things, just that he left his body and watched himself sleep”.23 None of these experiments were subject to peer review or published in any other way, however.

References: 1.	Archives of American Aerospace Exploration, Paul R. Hill Special Collection, MS2010-068; http://spec.lib.vt.edu/aerosp/aerospgd/hill.htm 2.	Hansen, J. R., 1986, Engineer in Charge, NASA, p417, http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4305/ 3.	Hill, P. R., 1995, Unconventional Flying Objects: a Scientific Analysis, Hampton Roads Publishing Company Inc., Charlotsville, VA. ISBN 1-57174-027-9 4.	Obituary of Paul Richard Hill, Hampton Roads (VA) Daily Press - Apr 12, 1990. 5.	SP-4012 NASA Historical Data Book: Volume IV, Appendix A: National Aeronautics and Space Administration Honor Awards. http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4012/vol4/appa.htm 6.	Brevoort, M. J., Stickle, G. W, Hill, P.R., 1942, ‘Effect of airplane design efficiency and engine economy on range’, NACA. 7.	Hill, P.R., Crigler, J. L., 1943, ‘The effect of altitude on bomber performance’, NACA. 8.	Naiman, I., Hill, P. R., 1941, ‘The effect of external shape upon the drag of a scoop’, NACA. 9.	Hill, P. R., 1946, ‘Parameters determining performance of supersonic pilotless airplanes powered by ram-compression power plants’, NACA. 10.	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_H._Zimmerman, Charles H Zimmerman Wikipedia entry, accessed 9th December 2011. 11.	Zimmermann, C. H., Hill, P.R., Kennedy, T.L., 1953, ‘Preliminary experimental investigation of the flight of a person supported by a jet thrust device attached to his feet’, NACA 12.	Hill, P. R., Kennedy, T. L., 1954, ‘Flight tests of a man standing on a platform supported by a teetering rotor.’ NACA. 13.	Thomas, D. E.,Thomas, D. F., Hill, P. R., 1970, ‘Lunar flying platform simulator’, NASA. 14.	Brodsky, R. F., 2006, On the Cutting Edge, Gordian Knot Books, pp31, 45-46. 15.	Hansen, J. R., 1986, Engineer in Charge, NASA, Chp 12, http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4305/ch12.htm 16.	Hill, P. R., 1957, ‘A method of computing the transient temperature of thick walls from arbitrary variation of adiabatic-wall temperature and heat-transfer coefficient’, NACA 17.	Hansen, J. R., 1995, Spaceflight Revolution: NASA Langley Research Center from Sputnik to Apollo, NASA history series SP-4308, http://purl.access.gpo.gov/GPO/LPS69854 18.	Hill, P., R., Schnitzer, E., 1962 “Rotating Manned Space Stations.”  Astronautics, vol. 7, no. 9, pages 14-18. American Rocket Society. 19.	Hall, T., D., 1994, The Architecture of Artificial Gravity Environments for Long Duration Space Habitation, Ph.D Thesis, University of Michigan. 20.	Hill – Hoback report of 16th July 1952. Project Bluebook archive pages MAXW-PBB12-435, MAXW-PBB12-436 and MAXW-PBB12-437; www.bluebookarchive.org/ 21.	Hill – Hoback report of 16th July 1952 case evaluation. Project Bluebook archive page reference MAXW-PBB12-318; www.bluebookarchives.org/ 22.	Ruppelt, E., J., 1956, Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, Doubleday, New York 23.	Interview with Julie M Hill, 2000; www.thiemeworks.com/interview-with-julie-hill-daughter-of-paul-r-hill/ 24.	Puthoff, H. E., 1997, ‘Synopsis of Unconventional Flying Objects: JSE Review’, Journal of Scientific Exploration. 25.	Jacobs, D., M., 2000, UFOs and Abductions: Challenging the Borders of Knowledge, p354, University Press of Kansas, Lawrence KS., ISBN 0-7006-1032-4. 26.	Haisch, B. ‘UFO Skeptic’ website, recommended reading page, http://www.ufoskeptic.org/ 27.	CUFOS (undated), ‘Getting involved in Ufology’, recommended reading section, http://www.cufos.org/YOU_WANT_TO_BE_A_UFOLOGIST.pdf 28.	http://www.hyper.net/ufo.html 29.	Condon, E. and Gillmor, D.S. (eds), 1968, Final Report of the Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects, Bantam Books

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