User talk:Dr Greg/Archive 1

Pilling
I see that you restored Category:Parishes of Lancashire to the above article. Just wondering what made you remove it in the first place. - Dudesleeper · Talk 16:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Because had been added, which automatically categorises parishes. However, now User:86.156.101.54 has removed that template and used  instead. I'm not sure whether it's appropriate to use both templates in the same article, so, for now, I've just added Category:Parishes of Lancashire. --Dr Greg 17:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right about the calibration - I needed to add it to a number of articles to see where exactly the error lies. It should be fixed within 24 hours or so, then it should be a great addition to the infobox. Jhamez84 12:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The map source you've provided is outstanding! I did struggle finding quality, free to use source material, and the ones I did had cotradictions!


 * I won't take me long to fix this at all with the source you've so kindly linked - again, within the next 24 hours, if not by the end of the evening.


 * I've not had any complaints in the past about the use of black county/district boundaries (these maps are of course used for other counties, and were developed consulting the editting community). I will however try to pale the boundaries slightly. Jhamez84 17:28, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I have recallibrated the Lancashire map. How does it look now? Tests at User:Pit-yacker/Sandbox1 seem much more accurate. It seems I got the wrong river when I was callibrating before which might explain part of the problem. Pit-yacker 20:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Looks good to me too. I've also made a few changes per your request. Feel free to let me know if there are any problems as I'm unfamilliar with Lancashire. Jhamez84 22:55, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Excellent! The redrawn map and the recalibration seem to work very well, as far as I can tell so far. Thanks to both Jhamez84 and Pit-yacker.


 * The point I was making about colours was that it's sometimes hard to see, at first glance, where the red spot is when there are deep black lines nearby. Ideally they would be a bit paler still. Is there a forum where this can be discussed for all the relevant maps, not just Lancashire? --Dr Greg 12:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Grimsargh Station
There is a diagram in Biddle (1989) that shows the connection between the WHR and the P&L and you have the direction correct on your diagram. Your representation bottom right best approximates the arrangement as there were two stations at Grimsargh (on diagonally opposite sides of the level crossing) which opened and closed at different times. I presume the dates shown on the P&L station are passenger openning dates as the ststion remained opened for goods and parcel traffic until 1967 I think. I'll need to check Biddle (1989), p. 40 on that one. Best regards Oxonhutch 13:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Final closures (Biddle, 1989):-
 * Grimsargh 9 November 1967
 * Longridge 16 October 1967. Oxonhutch 17:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Blackpool Branch Lines
As the one who drew the diagram for this I have to say that your inversion works better than my version. Keep up the good work Britmax 15:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your feedback. Your version was topologically correct but bore little resemblance to the geography (probably due to bits being added at later dates!) --Dr Greg 11:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I seem to have unwittingly entered an exchange with you over whether the Maudlands line crosses the WCML on the level or using a bridge. I looked at an OS map which seems to show a line passing under the WCML, but even if it is right it doesn't have to be the line in question. Sorry if I stepped on your toes here. Britmax 15:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Until recently, I too believed there was a bridge. The map I looked at was probably the same one you looked at, which did give that impression, but it was somewhat ambiguous. However I have recently found two sources, namely


 * Greville, M.D. and Holt, G.O. (1960) "Railway Development in Preston", Railway Magazine, vol. 106, in three parts :, Feb. no. 706, p 94-112; , Mar. no. 707, p. 197-204; , Apr. no. 708, p. 274-277
 * Parker, N. (1972) The Preston and Longridge Railway, Oakwood Library of Railway History No. 30, Lingfield: Oakwood Press
 * which are pretty clear that the crossing was on the level&mdash;indeed that is why the crossing was later removed when the Longridge line was linked in 1885 by the southward curve to Preston. In fact, there were two crossings, the first to Maudlands station and the second to the Longridge line, but I don't know if both ever existed simultaneously. I don't know the date wben Maudlands station closed. --Dr Greg 11:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Claughton
Are you sure the Lancashire parish is pronounced Clafton? In all my years living in the county, I only heard it pronounced Clawton. - Dudesleeper · Talk 16:19, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I used to live near Claughton-on-Brock, so I know that's definitely "Clyton". As for the Claughton in the Lune Valley, my parents always told me it was "Clafton" and Google searches for Claughton pronounced Clafton and Claughton pronounced Clawton seem to support that. (Of course, ignore pages copied from Wikipedia!) Maybe it had two pronunciations? A definitive source would be nice! --Dr Greg 17:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That definitive answer will be hard to come by, me thinks. The reason I asked was that The Fenwick Arms was featured in Gordon Ramsay's Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares, and its location was pronounced as Clawton throughout. - Dudesleeper · Talk 21:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I saw that when it was first broadcast a year or two ago, but you can't trust a TV production company to get the local pronunciation right. I've had another Google and found variations in the phonetic spelling – Claffton, Claf-ton, Klafton, Klaff-tun – but so far none have identified the Lune Claughton with "Clawton". (But also no explicit references to the Birkenhead Claughton, just references to three pronunciations for three places.) Maybe "Clafton" is used by locals and "Clawton" is used by people who live further away? --Dr Greg 11:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Maudland Bridge Railway Station
Hi Dr Greg. Just thought I'd drop you a line regarding the Maudland Bridge article, really interesting stuff you have added. I live in Preston and know very little about the line (only that I would love to see it reopen to free up the congestion a little!) so your contribution really helps.

doktorb wordsdeeds 17:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The Fylde
OK no worries about the categories, my mistake. Howver, this - Also, it is usual to refer to "the Fylde" rather than "The Fylde", with respect, I was born in Bispham and have lived here all my life. I am fully aware of the local name and how to use it. ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 18:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * We will have to agree to disagree. However, I would like to apologise to you for the tone in the second part of my message above which was uncalled for. ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 16:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Longridge Fell
The article is progressing nicely - thanks for your input. If you haven't been up there, I recommend it, especially if you get out onto the northern edge of the golf course, at which point you're looking right out over the edge of the fell. It isn't all that far from the road. I plan to get up there when I'm back home next week. - Dudesleeper   Talk  17:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

understatement
Thanks for the advice Doctor.

--Whohe! (talk) 20:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Nature centers in England
I created a section for centers in England as a subsection of Nature centers in general. I am aware that "re" is the British spelling, and I have used the official spelling in the article listings where appropriate. I think that using "nature centres in England" or other countries that use the British spelling is inconsistent with the title of the parent category. Most nature centers seem to exist in the United States and Canada, but there are only a few articles about specific nature centers at this time. Jllm06 (talk) 19:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Weeton
Thanks you for the co-ords correction, in Weeton, Lancashire. I realised my mistake when the locaton didn't appear on the map, but a slow connection prevented immediate repair. It would be very useful for me to know the source of your co-ords. What determines the exact location of a set of co-ords, as I see from zooming in that the Weeton co-ords point to a field at the back of the Eagle and Child pub, and not to the village green as you might expect? I suppose this is an accuracy limit. Also (I have raised this with user Tangerines), is a single planning application really notable in this article? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * To answer the specifics first:


 * I chose 3 decimal place accuracy on the grounds that's usually enough for a village or anything larger. I usually use 4 decimal places only when identifying a specific building or something of similar size. You can add more precision if you wish, but in my view it's not needed.


 * Note also that there is a known bug in Wikipedia software that does not correctly convert between latitude/longitude co-ords and OS grid refs, typically adding 100m error. This means that if you follow the Wikipedia geo-links to some of the GB mapping websites that use OS grid refs instead of latitude/longitude, the displayed position may be 100 m away from the intended position, which is shown correctly in Google Maps.


 * Sorry, I don't really have an opinion about the notability question you ask.


 * This is the technique I use to find co-ordinates:


 * Go to Google Maps (if there are already coordinates in an article that need fine tuning, I do this by following the Wikipedia geo-links).
 * Find the place, if not already selected. This can done by typing in approx. coords if you have them, or by entering a place name or a post code. If ambiguous, you may be given several choices to select. Google does not understand OS grid refs, but you can perform an accurate conversion via http://www.rutter.uklinux.net/ostowiki.html if you have to.
 * Zoom in and check you really have found the correct place. It can sometimes help if you switch between 'Map' and 'Satellite' view.
 * Double-click precisely where you want to find the co-ords.
 * Immediately click on "Link to this page".
 * Look at the "Paste link..." which appears. (E.g. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=weeton&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=25.216355,33.222656&safe=images&ie=UTF8&ll=53.804706,-2.936783&spn=0.012342,0.010686&z=15&om=0.) Scroll to the right of this link and you will see something like ll=53.804706,-2.936783 wihin the link text. Note it is the ll= value you want, not the sll= value.
 * Ignoring the ll=, copy and paste the two numbers and the comma between them, eg. 53.804706,-2.936783 into the "Search the map" box, and press "Search". This should place a big green arrow on the point selected.
 * You can now fine-tune the position of the arrow by modifying the numbers and re-searching. I recommend rounding up or down to 3 decimal places for villages or larger areas, and to 4 decimal places for buildings and such like.
 * When you are happy with the results, the 2 numbers in the "search the map" box are the latitude and longitude you need to paste into the relevant place(s) in your Wikipedia source code.


 * Finally, I assume User:Martinevans123 is the same person as Geograph's Martin Evans, which means you can, if you wish, upload your photo of the church to Wikimedia Commons and include it in the article (provided you agree to licence it). If you need help on how to do this, have a look at some of my own uploads at commons:User:Dr Greg and follow my example, and if you are still puzzled, please ask. --Dr Greg (talk) 18:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message and thanks for correcting the co-ordinates for the village. And the image would be a good addition to the article. ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 18:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Dr.Greg. I could not wish for a more complete answer. I am also the same Martin Evans to whom you gave advice about uploading images for Parbold in October last year, but I expect you get to see lots of mistakes on your travels! To be honest, the image uploaded by ♦Tangerines♦  seems perfectly good and does the job just as well as mine. Regards, Martinevans123 (talk) 19:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know which image of ♦Tangerines♦  you refer to. I see no image on the Weeton, Lancashire page (unless you mean the map? -- in which case there's no reason not to have a photo, too). --Dr Greg (talk) 12:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Apologies, I meant the image in the link. But I have now uploaded mine and inserted. Any improvements on layout would be much appeciated, I'm sure. You seem to be right sbout the 100m error. I'm sure its good enough for ths scale of map anyway, and probably also for any general navigation via the google map link. Many thanks Martinevans123 (talk) 00:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Images
I hope you don't mind my asking your advice, just I have added the Category:Geography of Blackpool link to some images which has placed them in the category under the heading "Media in category "Geography of Blackpool". However, I just wanted to check if this is the right thing to do or not? Do you know? Thank you. ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 19:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The convention in English Wikipedia seems to be to use categories named "Images of ...". See Category:Images of England and its subcategories.


 * However, I always upload my images to Wikimedia Commons instead of English Wikipedia. This is the preferred option, the advantage being that your photos are more easily accessible to the other-language Wikipedias, and also Wikimedia Commons has its own categories dedicated to images. It also has a "Common Sense" tool to help you find an appropriate category (although that website seems to have gone down at the moment).


 * Moving images to the Commons tells you how to move English Wikipedia images to Wikimedia Commons. You will need to create an account on Wikimedia Commons (your English Wikipedia account won't work there), preferably with exactly the same username as your English Wikipedia account. --Dr Greg (talk) 13:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I too struggled with the categorization of that image on the Weeton page after failing to autheticate by WikiMedia Commons page (I simply can't seem to get the authentication email to send itself). Any advice regarding image categorization would be much appreciated. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Not exactly sure what you mean by "failing to autheticate by WikiMedia Commons page". Do you mean registering for an account on WikiMedia Commons? See also my response to ♦Tangerines♦  above. --Dr Greg (talk) 13:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, thanks for the info re images. Re "failing to autheticate by WikiMedia Commons page":


 * On my "Preferences - Wikimedia Commons" page I have a Section entitled E-mail and under this a link entitled "Confirm your e-mail address". Clicking on this displays a new special page with:


 * Confirm E-mail address


 * A confirmation code has already been e-mailed to you; if you recently created your account, you may wish to wait a few minutes for it to arrive before trying to request a new code.


 * Wikimedia Commons requires that you validate your e-mail address before using e-mail features. Activate the button below to send a confirmation mail to your address. The mail will include a link containing a code; load the link in your browser to confirm that your e-mail address is valid.
 * Retrieved from "http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Confirmemail"


 * Clicking on the "Mail a confirmation code" button displays another special page with:


 * Confirm E-mail address


 * Confirmation e-mail sent.
 * Retrieved from "http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Confirmemail"


 * But, depite numerous attempts, no email has ever been sent to my address. I assume that you also did this when you set up your commons page? Any ideas? Sorry to dump all this on your talk page. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I never registered an e-mail address on Commons; e-mail addresses are not needed if you don't wish to use the e-mail features. If you leave your address blank you should be able to register anyway. I notice that Commons pages currently display at the top "The toolserver is dead and so are our tools :("; maybe that has something to do with it?


 * In fact, I've just looked at the Commons Village Pump and someone else has reported exactly the same problem as yours here (with no reply). You might like to add your experience there. --Dr Greg (talk) 12:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for your help and advice. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Internet Explorer 6
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! I noticed at Village pump (technical)/Archive 63 that you said that you are using Internet Explorer version 6. While we try to accommodate old browsers as best we can, IE6 in particular has many bugs and deficiencies that can cause erratic behavior. In order to avoid these problems, I suggest that you upgrade to Internet Explorer 7 or use a different browser such as Firefox or Opera.

Happy editing! —Remember the dot (talk) 20:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

River Eea
Hello and thanks for the recategorisation. History of Lancashire would seem to be more appropriate. Thanks again! Theelf29 (talk) 01:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

East Lancashire Line
Hi there, I'm sorry, I really don't recall undoing that edit and branding it as vandalism, although it shows in my contributions. Perhaps I accidently did it while patroling for recent edits. Considering the speed I was reverting some vandalism at, this may have been a slip. I'll revert my edits at once. My sincere apologies once again. S3000 ☎  17:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome
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Re: Lancs map
Hi! Thanks for the contact about that, I hadn't noticed. I've reverted the map back to the previous version. It should filter through over the next few hours. Thanks again, :) --Jza84 | Talk  12:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

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Regarding Equation of motion
Why have you undid my edits on the page Equations of motion, I made a link to my page User:Narendra_Sisodiya Those vector-less equations are not correct as
 * they do not maintain notion of function in S(t)
 * the initial location and time was assumed to be zero,zero, why do give subset of equation
 * they do not have vector associated with them, without a vector a velocity becomes speed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Narendra Sisodiya (talk • contribs) 21:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, you shouldn't identify problems by stating "there is a problem" inside the article. The place to do this is on the article's talk page. If you want to change the article itself you should actually fix the problem. Nor should you put links to user pages in articles.


 * However, in this case, the article says "The above equations are often found in the following version" and that is true. Of course there are other versions, but that doesn't make this version incorrect. They are perfectly correct for one-dimensional motion and where all the symbols are what they are defined to be here. Furthermore, these equations have been quoted from a book, so they must accurately reflect what is in the book. Avoiding vectors also makes this article understandable to readers who don't know what vectors are. Therefore I think this section is fine as it is.


 * However, another section could be added later in the article giving the vector version and with the offsets you wish. Please go ahead and do this if you wish. Note that the article Uniform acceleration already contains vector versions of these equations. --Dr Greg (talk) 16:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

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Lancaster Green Ayre railway station
I have responded on my talk page. Olana North (talk) 12:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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Kildwick & Crosshills station
Some very interesting information there. I didn't know there had been two stations and it would explain why there is a surviving railway house, almost certainly the stationmaster's, beside the level crossing.

There is a degree of confusion about the spelling of Cross Hills, which is two words, so I'm not surprised the name of the station was changed. There is even a road sign at Aireville in Skipton which has the single word. Even worse is the confusion about which county the village is in: it has a BD20 postcode and so the post office insists it is in West Yorkshire, but it is definitely over the boundary in North Yorkshire and administered by Craven Council (not Bradford MBC).

All the best. BlackJack | talk page 06:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If you follow the "Vision of Britain" link I supplied, click on the map, zoom in to Cross Hills, and then select "19th century: OS 1st series" (in that order or else you'll get confused), you'll find a Victorian map spelt "Crosshills". It looks as though that spelling got established and the station name never changed even though the village name did. Unless someone knows better.


 * (In my experience, in Victorian times spelling was not standardised; I have seen other examples of mis-spelt station names and even railway company names.)


 * My source (Binns) says the station moved 1/4 mile towards Skipton in 1889, and on that basis I'm assuming the original location must have been the level crossing (it would make little sense otherwise), which fits in with your local knowledge of buildings.


 * As for the county issue, the address "Cross Hills, KEIGHLEY, W. Yorks, BD20 xxx" meant that Keighley (not Cross Hills) is in W. Yorks. However, in recent years, Royal Mail has abandoned counties and now simply ignores them in addresses. So you can omit the county altogether, or put "N. Yorks", and nobody will care.--Dr Greg (talk) 11:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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Preston Railway Station
Hi Dr Greg,

I see you have written much about Preston station and I wondered if you could help me with some information, or at least point me in the general direction of where I might find it. Like many people I've become interested in geneology following the programme "who do you think you are". I was aware that my father's family came from Preston and I have now confirmed that his father (a George Duxbury) was an inspector at Preston Railway station in 1915. I believe he went on to become the station master but I'm not sure whether or not that is true.

I'm afraid I have no idea how to use this system so please excuse me if I'm doing something wrong here. From your contributions on Preston railways you seem to be very very knowledgable so I hope it is OK to contact you.

Regards,

David —Preceding unsigned comment added by DLD-UK (talk • contribs) 10:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * For the record, this isn't what Wikipedia is for. Nevertheless I have replied on your talk page. --Dr Greg (talk) 12:32, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Cotehill railway station
Dr Greg, thanks for adding the routebox to Cotehill railway station. If someone uses the routeboxes to travel up and down the line from a closed station, there is a problem when they arrive at an open station. The routeboxes for open stations sensibly point to the next open station, so anyone navigating using closed stations will eventually be unable to retrace their steps. In Cotehill's case, this happens at Armathwaite and Carlisle. It occurs to me that we could put two routeboxes at open stations, one for the next/previous open stations and one for the next/previous closed stations, but I can't find a precedent or policy on this. Could you point me in the right direction, or express an opinion, or both? Thanks --Northernhenge (talk) 14:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've fixed the problem at Armathwaite. You can follow this example to fix similar problems elsewhere. --Dr Greg (talk) 16:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That's working. --Northernhenge (talk) 22:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

St Walburge's
Thanks for your corrections. One of my sources referred to the Area as Maudlin, then I found it written as Maudlands, so I thought I'd leave it for a local to sort out.

With regards to the placement of the pic. Obviously it ought to be near the text that it pertains to. But there is an enormously long info box. If you fix any picture into the text below an info box, then the result is that you get a gap in between the section heading, and the information that pertains to it. This looks really bad. It's OK have have a break at the bottom of a section, but a break of a couple of inches between the heading and the text is not appropriate.

If you have a very narrow computer screen, then it it doesn't happen so often, and you may not notice that you have caused this problem. But for people with wide monitors, bad placement of boxes and pics causes great gaps every where. I loathe and detest large boxes because of it. So, if you find a picture that seems to be further down than it ought to be, that may well be the reason. and of course, you always need to check what you have done, and look for this problem.

Amandajm (talk) 14:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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Note the large message in bold font at unsigned; "this template must be substituted." That was my main clue. :P Where's this debate you speak of? Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :)  19:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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Template - Railway stations opened in 1803 (etc)
Many thanks for initiating a discussion on this. I had a limited discussion with one of the other major Scottish contributors abouts this in the past day or so, and have created a small body of evidence on how it would work practically. Mainly on Scottish articles, although some English stations have been changed. I have posted a response on the discussion page. In summary I think the principle is worth persuing, however the implementation is currently to clunky, especially on how it displays. --Stewart  ( talk |  edits ) 13:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

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Hartwood (Lancashire) railway station
Hi, we discussed this station last year; it is now at AfD. A second reference (Ian Allan} has been added to Blackburn to Chorley Line. Can you advise whether this mentions Hartwood, please? TerriersFan (talk) 20:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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Morcambe's cathedral
Please see Talk:Morecambe. Simply south (talk) 18:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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