User talk:Dr Greg/Archive 5

List of English districts by population
For a few weeks now List of English districts by population has been slowly wrecked by (presumably) one person. Just wondering if you could help address this? Argovian (talk) 22:49, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Preston map
Hello, about this edit. The problem is that Preston is currently a disambiguation page. As a result, some pages using this map will show a link to that dab page, instead of the correct link to the Lancashire city. Example: Fernyhalgh Wood. Is there a way to fix this, e.g. by adding a parameter with the correct link to use? --Midas02 (talk) 18:31, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This is currently being discussed at Module talk:Location map. There is some ambiguity about what exactly the parameter should be. I hope we can work out a sensible solution soon. --   Dr Greg   talk  19:14, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, I'll leave it to you then. --Midas02 (talk) 19:21, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

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Historic County
Hi, I presume you're aware of County Palatine of Lancaster? I have a range of issues with it but am unsure of the best course of action. Do you have any thoughts? --Trappedinburnley (talk) 18:15, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I've raised a question at . No response yet. There may be a better place to discuss it? --  Dr Greg   talk  19:44, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Lancashire elections
I'm rather bemused by your revert and why you felt the need to shout in the edit summary. If you had actually looked, you'd have seen that I had already moved the articles before I fixed the links. Number  5  7  21:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Now I see you've also left me a message in bold text on my talk page. Please try to check what you're saying is true before making unfounded accusations. Thanks, Number   5  7  21:47, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oops, my mistake. I should have read your edit summary a bit more carefully. My sincere apologies. Feel free to remove my complaint from your talk page if you wish. --  Dr Greg   talk  21:54, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem :) Number   5  7  22:01, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

request for additional parameter
Hi Dr. Greg, I was wondering if we could add a construction manager parameter to the template infobox building? Construction management firms are hired and perform different work then anything that is listed under design and construction. They serve an integral role in quality control/assurance, budgeting, scheduling and assuring that a project runs smoothly. It has become an important part of the construction process in large projects/renovations so I think it would be beneficial to include it. Could you possibly do this for me? Keelsh01 (talk) 20:37, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You have asked at Template talk:Infobox building which is the correct place to discuss this. Wait for a response there. However, you shouldn't have used ; to quote the text in the template "Edit requests to template-protected pages should only be used for edits that are either uncontroversial or supported by consensus. If the proposed edit might be controversial, discuss it on the protected page's talk page before using this template."--  Dr Greg   talk  21:11, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

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Disruptive editing by MrSean99
Hello Dr Greg. There is currently a discussion at WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding disruptive editing by MrSean99. I'm just letting you know as a courtesy because I provided diffs to various warnings issued, some of them by you. Regards, – Wdchk (talk) 16:47, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

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Invitation to Editathon at Clitheroe Castle Museum
Hi, I notice that you have edited the Clitheroe Castle article in the past. I am organising an editathon on 26th September, details here. If you would like to come, please let me know. Jhayward001 (talk) 13:52, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Template for the Manchester to Southport Line
I note that in the last editing of this template, DavidAHolt has deleted mention of the closed stations of Pendlebury, Irlams o' th' Height and Pendleton (Broad Street) railway station, which are all on the Manchester end of the template. However, there are still closed stations shown at the Southport end of the template, which is rather confusing. You either delete all the closed stations or none at all.

I am writing to you, as it appears that yours was the template version that was amended.

Paul Sidorczuk (talk) 18:22, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Look more closely. DavidAHull didn't delete stations, he added them! :) (I assume you refer to rather than some other template.) Although Pendleton was missing, so I've just added it. --   Dr Greg   talk  19:24, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

A couple of things
Hi Greg, hope you're well. Thanks for the new maps you've been adding. I'm wondering If I might be able to request one? A while back I started User:Trappedinburnley/Whalley (ancient parish), In order to complete it ideally requires a map similar to the one in Manchester (ancient parish). It is about the least urgent request you could get, but I'm planning to put some more work into it soon. I just need to learn a little more about the extra-parochial areas.

Also have you settled on format for the district templates at this stage, I think the Burnley and Ribble Valley ones would also be improved by breaking them up. I can do myself but it would seem best to have a consistent format as much as possible.--Trappedinburnley (talk) 18:59, 20 September 2015 (UTC)


 * The Manchester map wasn't one of mine. I might be able to do something for Whalley, but I'd need some sources to consult to work out what was required. (By the way, you don't want to use ALL CAPS as that's against the style manual.) If you could find some appropriate maps on line, that would help me.


 * As for the district navboxes, it's my intention to update all of Lancashire to the same formats, but haven't got round to them all yet. I'll do Burnley soon. For the others, I'm waiting for User: Peter I. Vardy to complete his listed building lists for each district before I do each one. I think Ribble Valley is nearly done, so that will be next. --  Dr Greg   talk  22:06, 20 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Map sources: VCHL6 pp349-60 at BHO - The Victoria History of the County of Lancaster Vol 6 at archive.org, and the 1840s OS maps available on MARIO (OS First Edition 1:10,000) might come in handy. Like I say, no rush, I'm going to be busy with this Clitheroe thing for a while. But I am hoping it will lead me to new sources as the extra-parochials seem to have been linked to the chapel at the castle.--Trappedinburnley (talk) 08:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oops I forgot the tricky bit! While the VCH text mentions that a part of the parish was in Yorkshire, it doesn't include it in the map, probably because it is complicated. I don't know if you've ever been to the church at Whitewell? It is decorated with both the red and white roses to signify that although historically in Yorkshire it belonged to Whalley. This area principally includes Bowland with Leagram and Bowland Forest Low (but probably not Browseholme), however the old Bowland Forest Low had two detached portions, a small area called Slaidburn Flatts (just south of the village) and Harrop (now part of Grindleton). It would be nice to feature this area as it seems significant that although Bowland only became part of Lancashire in 74, it probably should have been included from the earliest times. Cheers --Trappedinburnley (talk) 09:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, I've found another map of ancient Whalley parish at http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/unit/10384758/boundary ; it shows detached Little Bowland + Leagram (i.e. modern-day Bowland-with-Leagram) but doesn't show any part in the West Riding (e.g. Whitewell). That may a different version. (You need to zoom in to see the detail; the zoomed-out map isn't very accurate.)


 * However there is also a map of Bowland Forest Low at http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/unit/10399877/boundary (including Whitewell, and with an exclave at Harrop Fold, and another very tiny one just south of Slaidburn) which claims to be a sub-unit of Whalley. So I'm not sure why the two maps disagree. --  Dr Greg   talk  22:05, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * VoB is a great resource, but not without error. For some reason it thinks that Willington, Cheshire is somehow associated with Whalley, which is news to me. The problem seems to be Yorkshire. They've included Bowland with Leagram (always in Lancashire), but not Bowland Forest Low (the bit historically in West Yorkshire). The same seems to be true for the info in the VCH, I assume it was left for the corresponding West Riding book, which we're still waiting for. It is also is partially responsible for my confusion with the extra-parochials, some but not all have been omitted from the highlighted area. I have found something; In Whittaker's History of Whalley, he writes "Harrop, Countess Flat, near Slaydeburn, part of Burholme, and Browsholme, are within the parish of Whalley; and the same part of Burholme, with Browsholme and Little Bowland, constitute the Chapelry of Whitewell." p234 Oh and sorry I probably should have made it clear that this would be a lot more complicated than Manchester. Whalley is supposed to have been the 2nd largest parish in England. --Trappedinburnley (talk) 17:45, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Greg, I notice you've been away, I hope it has been a good break. I've finally got around to working on the Whalley article. Still lots to do with it and the many, many associated articles, both existing and probably some new also. It is starting to look like an article at least and I'm confident that we have or I can find the sources required for most of the article (certainly for the start and middle of a History section, less so for the end). Have you made any progress with a map I wonder? All the best. Trappedinburnley (talk) 23:29, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Greg, I'm not sure if you missed my last message. I took your silence as a no. It's no big deal if you're too busy I realize it is quite a complex request. Cheers Trappedinburnley (talk) 20:10, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * My apologies for not replying earlier. When I last looked at this, I didn't feel like I had sufficient reliable and unambiguous sources to work from, so it's been quite a low priority for me so far. As your draft article now has considerable content, I may start reconsidering this again. Feel free to throw any map sources you find at me, particularly those that show the relevant boundaries, but also those without boundaries that show the road and rail infrastucture of the time. (One question to be decided is and suitable year to take a snapshot of the parish, as things change over time.) One possible approach I may take is to begin with a modern-day map that I can source from OpenStreetMaps and then delete everything that is too recent for the map I want. --  Dr Greg   talk  20:53, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking at the maps in other ancient parish articles, road and rail infrastructure isn't needed, so this may be less difficult than I first thought. --  Dr Greg   talk  21:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Not to worry, this is one of my 'never quite find the time' projects, and although it's finally starting to take shape, I left some of the more complex elements till last. It will probably still be a while until it's finished. There is another related article Rochdale (ancient parish). The maps in both cases cite the Lancs VCH as a source. The version here is quite hi-res and is zoom-able. I'm using the VCH as the chief source, and assuming that differences between it and VoB to be errors on the VoB database. It would be nice to get the rivers on, as they will often correspond to boundaries, but I don't think it's essential (like Rochdale). I doubt we'll find a map source more definitive than the first ed. OS, which effectively marks the end of the ancient parish. I've contemplated screen-grabbing the VCH map and tracing it manually on separate layer. I thought of the same approach with the OS map at MARIO but realized that I'd have to stitch together a lot of screen-grabs to get something of a high enough res to see the boundary marks. I would expect that in a lot of cases the modern parish boundaries will relate to the historic ones if you think it would be easier to work backwards. One difference with this one is that I'd like to get highlight the boundaries of the forest areas. Although probably only vaguely accurate, for our purposes I think they can be assumed to match the boundaries of the townships recorded to have been inside them. Thoughts? Trappedinburnley (talk) 19:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Another idea? What ever the method, maybe a smaller project as a test? Ribchester was comparatively tiny and I can soon knock together an article. Trappedinburnley (talk) 22:14, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hydrinics Analog Modulation.
"However, this cannot be the source of the term as Armstrong was an unknown college student when the term first appeared".

How can you remove my legitimate addition that calculates but something that is not sourced as "Quoted" stays?.

Do you know much about Hydronics?, Si, Frequency's or Modulation?.

Please put back my work untill you can prove it incorrect. Or I will do something about it. Don't waste both of our time. What you did is considered malicious in the Wiki guildlines.

Removing a legitimate post is not "editing"!.

Thank you.

Jason Evan Baldwin.

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 * I think you may be confusing me with another editor. I don't recall any edit I made referring to "However, this cannot be the source of the term as Armstrong was an unknown college student when the term first appeared". Please specify which article and provide a diff.
 * But I would comment that when you add material to an article the onus is on you to proved a reference to a WP:reliable source to prove it, not on other editors to disprove it. Reverting another editor's unsourced addition is entirely legitimate if it appears at all questionable. See WP:BRD. If what you add is correct, you should have no problem quoting a reliable source, in which case it won't be reverted provided it's relevant to the article and the source is accepted as being reliable.
 * Any further discussion should take place on the talk page of whatever article you are talking about. --  Dr Greg   talk  16:26, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

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ArbCom elections are now open!
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Nonsense?, Who?, YOU!. High School Basic Algebra, Equal v Equivalent.
Correct Usage of Equal and Equivalent in Math Statements (undolie(:69.73.241.126 (talk)+~ =?.)

Go back to High School and leave the Equivalent-Relativity equations for the big boy's!. You are hindering the progress of 110 years old MISINTERPRETED formula!. PLEASE STOP REVERTING WHAT YOU OBVIOUSLY NO NOTHING ABOUT, BASIC HIGH SCHOOL MATHS AND ENERGY "EQUIVALENCE / RELATIVELY", 110YEARS OF IGNORANCE, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU!.

JUST STAY OUT!. ADD SOMETHING INSTEAD OF "VANDALIZING"!.

And where the hell you get DR from?. LMFAO. (HIGH SCHOOL MATHS DUDE).

Date: 02/20/2008 at 11:43:16 From: Valerie Subject: when do I use equal and when do I use equivalent properly?

Is there a mathematical difference between equal and equivalent and if so, what is the difference? For example:

Are two algebraic expressions (with the same solution set) equivalent or equal?

Are two numeric expressions (with the same value) equal or equivalent?

For example: is 10^4 equal to OR equivalent to 10 x 10 x 10 x 10?

We would write an Definitions between the two numeric expressions given above, but would we "say" they were equivalent or equal? Would we write a question properly that reads: Find an expression that is equal to OR equivalent to 10^4. ?

Date: 02/20/2008 at 23:45:39 From: Doctor Peterson Subject: Re: when do I use equal and when do I use equivalent properly?

Hi, Valerie.

Sometimes I think the terms "equal" and "equivalent" are, well, equivalent; their meanings overlap, and the precise distinction can vary from one case to another. But in general,

equal means that two entities are the same entity

equivalent means that two entities have the same EFFECT, in some sense

Two expressions can be called equal for some specific value of the variable, because they yield the same number; they are equivalent when they are ALWAYS equal--true for any value of the variable. So here "equivalent" is a stronger term.

Two equations are equivalent when they have the same solution set. (Note: an expression doesn't have a solution set!) You would never say that two equations are equal, because that would get very confusing!

Two sets are equivalent when they have the same cardinality (number of elements); they are equal when they are actually the same set (consisting of the same elements). Here "equal" would seem to be the stronger term!

Two fractions are equivalent when their values are equal; here I think the only reason to use the word "equivalent" rather than "equal" is to emphasize that they are two DIFFERENT ways to express the SAME value.

In your question about numerical expressions, I think "equivalent" would be the better choice, because, as with fractions, the emphasis is on an expression that looks different but has the same numerical value after you evaluate it. It wouldn't be wrong to say "equal", but this just feels a little more right.

If you have any further questions, feel free to write back.

- Doctor Peterson, The Math Forum http://mathforum.org/dr.math/ Associated Topics: High School Basic Algebra High School Definitions Middle School Algebra Middle School Definitions

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Carlisle
I saw your aside on the Windermere RM about the City of Carlisle thing, and entirely agree with you. Our handling of eponymous districts is problematic to put it mildly. It appeared to start with Salford, where there is severe ambiguity and neither topic appears primary. There are three related problems here: I'm thinking an RFC is best way forward on this matter?--Nilfanion (talk) 12:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) If the district council holds the city charter, how to describe the core settlement?
 * 2) How to disambiguate the two meanings - settlement and district?
 * 3) A third issue is when district is required to disambiguate - Hayton, Carlisle implies Hayton is a suburb not a village miles away.


 * Yes, RFC would seem to be the way to go. Not sure exactly where (I haven't thought about this), but it's something that could affect many articles, so it needs to be at some non-article talk page. ("City of Carlisle district", or even "Carlisle district" would be one way to go for districts; it's less clear what you call the core settlement of Carlisle unambiguously, as most people would refer to it as a "city". In my opinion, they are not wrong to do so, even though city status technically applies to the whole district.) --  Dr Greg   talk  13:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:UKGEO is location that springs to my mind, but I think a bit of prep work is needed before any RFC is started.
 * We can probably ignore ambiguity for the core settlement, using Primary Topic as the get-out clause. Most people looking for Carlisle want the settlement, so leave it there and give a hat-note to the district. However, the district title should be unambiguous - if a reverse hat-note is needed, we have gotten it wrong. And Primary Topic may not work in all cases.
 * What I do know is it is absurd to call Canterbury and York something other than cities, irrespective of the fact the city status is formally vested in the larger district. I think WP has overemphasised that the formalities of city status in its treatment of these places.--Nilfanion (talk) 14:15, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a technicality that city status officially attaches to districts (usually), due to the fact that, since 1974, the core settlement, which you'd like to call a "city", doesn't officially exist, i.e. there's no officially-defined boundary to the core settlement, only to the whole district.
 * Before 1974, it was much simpler: there was a civil parish, or county borough, or urban district to which city status could be attached. Theese entities were abolished in 1974 and in many cases were not replaced by anything with the same or similar boundaries.
 * We are left, post-1974, with "unparished areas", but these don't have any official identity, they are just what's left over when all the parishes have been excluded. In some cases, there may be two or more adjoining "settlements" (former parishes, county boroughs or urban districts) within a contiguous unparished area, so you can't even use "unparished area" as substitute for "settlement". And in some cases there may be parishes within what you'd call the settlement, or there may be unparished areas that include areas you wouldn't count as part of the settlement. But that's a bit of a digression.
 * I agree with you that the "settlements" of Canterbury and York (and many more) are indeed cities and that what Wikipedia calls the "City of York" is the local government district named after the city of York settlement. As Wikipedia is supposed to be based on reliable sources, I'd like to see if there are any reliable sources that state that the settlement of York is not a city, or that it is wrong to describe the settlement of York as the "City of York". It seems to me that we are in the unfortunate position that "City of York" is anbiguous and could refer to either the settlement or the district. At least let's call the district the "City of York district". Surely everyone could agree that's a technically correct name and unambiguous. Then the article about the settlement could be called (a) "York" or (b) "City of York". I'd prefer (a) as it's less likely to cause confusion to people who are already familiar with the current convention. And this would apply to all districts where the name of the district could be confused with something else (including all "City of ..." names) -- just append "district" to the article name. (Another possibility could be "York City Council area", but I don't like that as much.) --  Dr Greg   talk  19:09, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I've taken first steps to address the 3rd issue I initially mentioned - see WP:UKGEO. I think that can be resolved independently of the City/city minefield.
 * I wish the government did the right thing back in 1974, and set up charter trustees for places like Carlisle, Bradford and Leeds - as it did for Lichfield. But it didn't so we are stuck with things like this being "city" views!--Nilfanion (talk) 09:15, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

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Not English?
Please read the recent edit history of Morwenna Banks. I thought Cornish people were English too, but I have been corrected. She is therefore now being defined as British, not English, per consensus. Rodericksilly (talk) 19:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

A page you started (Ghoti (disambiguation)) has been reviewed!
Thanks for creating Ghoti (disambiguation), Dr Greg!

Wikipedia editor Damibaru just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

"Good; however, it would be helpful to the reader to describe why Ghoti is a creative respelling of 'fish,' and in what language. To many people, this is not obvious at first gland."

To reply, leave a comment on Damibaru's talk page.

Learn more about page curation.
 * Of course it's not obvious, that's why there's an article about it. But, in my opinion, it's too complicated to explain on a disambiguation page. Anyone who clicks on the link ghoti will soon find out! --  Dr Greg   talk  02:22, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

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Incorrect usage of "an"
Hello Dr Greg. I noticed you reverted my edits over the misuse of "an". Well, I have reverted your edits, but don't worry, I have rectified my errors. You could have at least changed "an" to "a" in my edits, not revert them completely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.203.105 (talk) 11:07, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

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Father Ted
I don't know if whether you're a template editor, but do you think it's worth putting an edit notice on the edit page explaining how it's a British show? I see the dispute and reversions have been going on for a while, and there's no end in sight. Adam9007 (talk) 16:38, 19 June 2016 (UTC)


 * That's certainly an idea well worth considering, but I don't have template editor privilege so I can't implement it myself. To persuade an uninvolved template editor or administrator to do this, we'd need to demonstrate consensus to go ahead with this, so I'd suggest proposing this on the article talk page.--  Dr Greg   talk  16:59, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll launch an RfC. Adam9007 (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Drone photograph
Hi! I should be interested in your opinion on this photograph. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:32, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

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Carnforth station of the Furness and Midland Joint Railway
I need some advice from you on this matter, having been informed that particular railway had its own Carnforth station from 1867 to 1880. I have looked on the RDT in the Wikipedia article and cannot trace a specific mention of it and there is no mention also on the line RDT that is incorporated within the article.

Some years ago, your expertise on the closed stations on the Lancaster and Preston Junction Railway made research clarifications of help, so can I ask if you will investigate the matter in hand and if correct, to show the exact position of this closed station on the line RDT.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 18:26, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Template : Banff, Macduff and Turriff Juntion RDT
I wish to have an amendment editing into this template, which concerns the station of Banff and Macduff, which you will note is the only station shown in red on the RDT. The information is that this was the original terminus, but when the line was extended to Banff station as the new terminus, new running lines were run to the side of the original line, leaving Banff and Macduff station as being shown on a stub line.

The similar example on a line well known to you that can be used as an example of this exact same matter is shown on the template of the Wigan Junction Railways, where the original terminal station of Wigan Darlington Street is shown in a similar stub line position.

I have not the computer skills to make a similar edit concerning Banff and Macduff station and I ask if you can carry out this task on my behalf.

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Bondi k-calculus
Dear Dr Greg, thank you for your contribution to the Bondi k-calculus article. I notice from your user page that your main interests appear to be railways and Lancashire. I imagine you still play with your model railway at home. I know very little about railways or Lancashire apart from the eighty or so times I visited Lancashire and was very glad there was a railway to take me away from the region as soon as my business was concluded. I am sure you also know a great deal about k-calculus, so would you be so good as to provide some references to round out the contributions you so kindly made to the k-calculus article.

Foucault (talk) 05:01, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Hermann Bondi's 1965 book
Dear Dr Greg, I have in front of me at this moment a copy of 'Relativity and Common Sense", which I purchased new in 1965 at a reputable book shop in London, where I was a student and a teacher, I am sure it is not a forgery. Just recently I have devoted a considerable amount of time to studying the contents of my copy. The inside cover states 'First published in book form in Great Britain 1965'. I am flattered by the attention you have given to editing out information I have put into the k-calculus article, and substituting contradictory information which, after considerable effort, I cannot find in my copy. You have also altered my reference from 1965 to 1964. I am sure you must have access to an earlier edition, published in Azerbaijan or Uzbekistan perhaps? If I determine that copyright allows, I will obtain a facsimile of my copy of the book and upload it to Wiki. I am intensely interested in this minor piece of history, so I would be most grateful if you could guide me to finding access to the 1964 edition. Foucault (talk) 12:29, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The only copy I physically possess is a 1980 reprint, which states that it is "an unabridged and corrected republication of the work originally published in 1964 by Doubleday & Company, Inc., New York", and "© 1962, 1964 by Hermann Bondi". I have found a scanned copy of the 1965 edition online at https://archive.org/details/RelativityCommonSense (being more than 50 years old it's out of copyright). The text of the 1965 version appears to be identical to my 1980 version (from comparing several random pages), and I'm assuming the 1964 version is no different. So you are right that it was first published in Great Britain in 1965, but was published in the US in 1964 (and therefore presumably published in magazine article form in 1962).


 * Note I have now added a reference ("d'Inverno (1992), p.40") to the well-known fact that the Bondi k-factor is the Doppler factor (for radial motion). You can see the page in question by previewing d'Inverno's book on Amazon. Also check equation (2) on page 103 of Bondi's book, namely
 * $$k = \sqrt{\frac{1+v}{1-v}}$$
 * which (in units where $$c=1$$) is the standard relativistic Doppler shift formula that you can find in any text book that discusses the subject, or in the Wikipedia article Relativistic Doppler effect (which uses the symbol $$\beta$$ instead of $$v$$ (they are the same when $$c=1$$)). Whereas time dilation is given by $$\tfrac{1}{2}\left( k + k^{-1} \right)$$ as discussed, for example, on pages 88 to 92 in Bondi's book.


 * You might also like to read section 3.1 "Bondi's k-factor calculus" (pp. 5–8) of https://www0.maths.ox.ac.uk/system/files/coursematerial/2015/2869/1/SR2015.pdf, which are lecture notes from the University of Oxford (and very similar to what is in Woodhouse's published text book that I referenced in the article).


 * If you think I have misrepresented k-calculus then please let's discuss it in more detail at Talk:Bondi k-calculus rather than here, so that anyone watching that page can join in the discussion if they want to.--  Dr Greg  <font style="color:#40A040;background:#FFF8C0"> talk  19:40, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Dr. Greg, I really think you should have another look at 'radial Doppler' in the k-calculus article. I am not an expert but it seems gobbledegook to me. Perhaps consult with somebody you know in Wiki. Foucault (talk) 16:55, 23 September 2016 (UTC)


 * It makes sense to me (otherwise I wouldn't have written it). Can you explain more precisely what you don't understand, and then maybe I can reword it to make it clearer.


 * Please note I've also started a new thread at .--  Dr Greg  <font style="color:#40A040;background:#FFF8C0"> talk  18:26, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

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Two-pronged ptopic dabs
Hi and thank you for spotting the double link I've accidentally left behind at BIY (disambiguation). I'm wondering about the rest of the edit though. This page serves as a dab for both biy and BIY, and both Biy and BIY have primary topics. Wouldn't it then be best to keep the MOS:DABPRIMARY formatting that reflects both facts? – Uanfala (talk) 14:16, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, MOS:DABPRIMARY says (2nd para): "Capitalisation differences matter, so there will only be one primary topic for a title." --  Dr Greg  <font style="color:#40A040;background:#FFF8C0"> talk  14:22, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This only refers to the fact that the station is the primary topic for BIY and Biy – the primary topic for biy. If that passage meant what you take it to mean, then we'll have to have two separate dab pages, no? – Uanfala (talk) 14:37, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * On further thought, due to ambiguity between "BIY" and "biy", maybe a better solution would be:
 * rename BIY (disambiguation) as Biy (disambiguation), and make Biy the primary topic
 * treat all the other redirects as case-insensitive (e.g. BIY (disambiguation) and BIY) and redirect them to Biy (disambiguation). --  Dr Greg  <font style="color:#40A040;background:#FFF8C0"> talk  14:48, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Renaming the dab is a viable option. But I'm not sure we need to make the redirects case-insensitive: from what I see, the all-caps variant can only refer to the station. – Uanfala (talk) 15:09, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

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Red Dwarf: Back to Earth
Why did you remove my edits they are all correct? More specifically you said I don't get to choose if back to earth is 'also incorrectly refeard to as...' yet it's a known fact back to earth isn't season 9 the creator of the show said this on the DVD

82.44.49.118 (talk) 23:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)


 * So series VIII was followed by series X? --  Dr Greg  <font style="color:#40A040;background:#FFF8C0"> talk  01:52, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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Stock Aitken Waterman
Hi - I wanted to remind you that Angie is a rather unknown artist - known for her song "S O S"

That will help

JG

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User talk:DonaldsonAC
Dropped a pile on my talk page, after I commented on county stuff. Think he has gone away now though.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 22:18, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Overnight Oats
Hello Dr. Greg,

How are you doing? My name is Kevin. A comment of mine was just removed off a page.

The reason I am reaching out is because I wanted to know why the information would removed? I put valuable information out there that readers and followers of wikipedia and the world wide web could benefit from. In anyway, shape, or form was it advertising. Please let me know if there was a misunderstanding.

Thanks a lot,

Kevin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinxtomlinson (talk • contribs) 22:31, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * In your edit to oatmeal, the second website you linked to is advertising a product. The first website you linked to does not support what you added; it says you can soak overnight any oats; it's not a "new type of oatmeal". In addition, the tone of language seemed not to be encyclopaedic. --  Dr Greg  <font style="color:#40A040;background:#FFF8C0"> talk  20:27, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:List of newspapers in the United Kingdom
Hi Dr Greg. I noticed you recently made an edit on this page. However, user "Sylar78" seems to be constantly reverting edits (related to what you were discussing on the talk page) without first coming to a consensus on said talk page. I was wondering what to do in this situation to end the edit war currently going on and was hoping you could please help as you seem to have more experience on Wikipedia than myself. Many thanks in advance. Helper201 (talk) 22:33, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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adding verified links
please could you advise how i add "verified" material,, i copied and pasted a newspaper page and added to my edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.254.231 (talk) 09:40, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The hidden comment in the Kingston upon Hull article says:
 * If a person DOES have an article on Wikipedia, please consider adding them to one of the categories listed above rather than adding them to this section. If a person DOES NOT have an article on Wikipedia please only add them to this list if they are particularly notable. In that case, consider writing a short article on them yourself.
 * The person you are trying to add doesn't really sound "particularly notable" to me: he was temporarily famous for a single incident. See WP:NOTABLE. The blue links in the message I left on your talk page, e.g. referencing for beginners, tell you how to how to add references (citations). --  Dr Greg  <font style="color:#40A040;background:#FFF8C0"> talk  20:01, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm getting sick of your "last word" style of editing
First looking at your contribs, I can see you're one of those editors who does more removal than addition.

Second most your edits have a strong whiff of WP:IDL.

In keeping with that I found " avoid excessive precision in conversions" on Lancaster and Carlisle Railway ‎  (that I had just rewritten using the information in the article) particularly irksome because it's typical of your "last word" meddling.

If you had bothered to look at the article prior to my edits, you'd have seen that all the distances were to the decimal point. For some unfathomable reason these long forms were acceptable in the rather confusing/contradictory and rambling article I decided to clean up. However once I had formatted the distances using the convert template, they were now too precise.

As an editor who lacks the pretensions to even bother to open an account, this is not the first time our paths have crossed. I rewrite articles respecting the information that is already in them. In that way I can't be accused of adding unreferenced material (I define this as info that is there, not "verify" tagged and not mired by arguments of consensus), and anything I do add is referenced by me.

On several occasions though, you have followed me into an article I've tidied up or expanded only to unnecessarily alter things and even remove lines that were there prior to me even editing. And that's the litmus test on WP:good will that you fail, and it's why I am fed up with it. If you don't like something - do what I do, roll your sleeves up and spend a three quarters of an hour actually editing a string of random facts into the semblance of some form of logical chronological order. You might actually earn some respect instead of appearing like the puffed-up little meddler you continue to be. 86.129.2.151 (talk) 13:01, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * All I did was change three instances of "5 mi (8.0 km)" to "5 mi (8 km)". The version before your edits also said "five miles (8 km)" (see this diff), so I really don't know what you are complaining about. It's not appropriate to give a converted value of 8.0 km unless the mileage is given as 5.0 miles. This is to some extent a fault of the template whose default settings don't always give the preferred results. Please don't take my clean-ups as implied criticism of your edits; that's not my intention.


 * I can't comment on any edits you made before yesterday because those were made from a different IP address and I've no idea what your previous IP addresses were. I'm sorry you've been upset by my actions but my intentions are to improve the quality of Wikipedia, not to aggravate other editors.--  Dr Greg  <font style="color:#40A040;background:#FFF8C0"> talk  19:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Worldline
Hello Dr Greg,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Worldline for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons. For more details please see the notice on the article.

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