User talk:Dr Viewbook

Winged Helmet
Dr Viewbook's response: You make a valid point. A lot of material regarding American college football is largely hearsay. The concept that the wings allow for quarterbacks to better see receivers ready downfield has been copied by most helmets, but without three stripes, there is only one down the middle. An excellent example of this is University of Florida's football helmet. However, I'm finding difficulty explaining this (i.e. naming Florida as an example) while still sounding relevant. If there is a way to better explain it in the article, I'd appreciate any input or editing you can add. However, removing the entire point seems somewhat unnecessary. Regarding the citation, this is another valid point you raise. I recall seeing the winged helmet's history discussed on those pages of the college football encyclopedia, but there doesn't appear to be an online web source that is unbiased and reliable. I will continue to search for one, but none I find appears to be credible in the way Wikipedia desires.

I am going to ask you again to cite your sources on your addition to the winged helmet page.

Text such as: -Your winged helmet definition: "The winged football helmet is a helmet bearing a distinctive painted design that typically has sharp outward curves over the forehead and three stripes from it that go to the back" -"Interestingly enough, Michigan State University (an in-state rival to the University of Michigan) also makes a claim that it in fact started the winged helmet" -"These are sometimes interpreted as the helmet's "wings," which lead some to conclude that Crisler could not have designed the winged helmet. However, Crisler's design featured three stripes that went over the top of the head to the back of the helmet. It is possible that these are the "wings" Crisler and historians refer to because they have an actual impact between the quarterback and receivers" -"Numerous school and college football programs around the United States have adopted this same concept without necessarily adopting the "wings." Most helmets feature a single line that goes over the top of the head to the back of the helmet. The reason for this is the same as Crisler's wings: the quarterback sees the line as the receivers run down the field and, when the receiver turns his head, the line disappears, which means that the receiver is either ready to catch the ball or is completing his route. However, Crisler's winged helmet remains unique because it features three lines (or stripes) as opposed to one. The Michigan Wolverines have kept the helmet design since 1938." all needs to be cited. It looks like you have a very strong POV on the matter and citing the above will clear that up. And I am not talking about one citation that spans 20+ pages of a book, if you plan to inject the above text you need to be more specific.

BTW, I did not undo 2 hours of your work, by your timestamps, it was 15min.

I am not undoing your changes, instead inviting you to cite all the text above. If it is not cited properly with a reliable source, to keep Wikipedia accurate and to keep away POVs such as yours.

Imacericg (talk) 01:05, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

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