User talk:Drachenfyre/Archives/2005/April

Changing attribution
There is a way to do it: Changing attribution for an edit, but I think there is an enormous backlog and it may take months (if ever) for those edits to be assigned to your username. Adam Bishop 03:25, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

King Guy
Well, let me see if I can remember what happened then...basically, when Richard and Philip showed up on the Third Crusade, they assumed that there was no longer a king or a kingdom, because almost all of it had been lost (except Tyre, thanks to Conrad of Montferrat). They eventually took back Acre and most of the rest of the Mediterranean coast. But neither Richard nor Philip were willing to simply restore Guy, especially as there were other people with better claims, for example Isabella. If they were going to restore the kingdom to anyone, they wanted it to be a blood relative of the last reigning royal family member, that is, Sibylla, who was now dead, as you say. This is why Isabella was married so many times - whoever was married to her had the best claim to the throne. Therefore, Conrad became king in 1192, when the Crusade was basically over and they were finally able to restore the kingdom, in Acre. Conrad was supported by Philip, while Richard had supported Guy, and in compensation for losing Jerusalem, Richard gave Guy Cyprus instead. Does that make any sense? It's pretty confusing. Adam Bishop 04:10, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see what you mean...I don't know what happened in 1190, I'll have to look it up. I assume Guy still considered himself king, because everyone had bigger problems to worry about than the specific details of succession.  Conrad didn't recognize him as king even while Sibylla was still alive, and he seemed to realize the importance of marrying Isabella, but I don't think Isabella was promoted as queen in 1190. As I said though, I'm not really sure...I'll see if I can find anything more definite. Adam Bishop 15:14, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Star Wars wikipedia
Greetings! I JUST discovered the Star Wars Wikipedia you started! I love it! I was the one responsible for the Naboo major rewrite on 11 Nov 04, when I myself just discovered the wikipedia. I didnt have an acct at first, then created one under Wildorchid- then forgot my access code, now am back as drachenfyre. I saw that there was a Star Wars Wikipedia through the SOE Galaxies forums: were you the one to post there? I am gald to see my contrabutions in Naboo and Corellia are going to good use.Drachenfyre
 * Hello, Drachenfyre. I was not around in November, but signed up for Wikipedia on Jan 5, 2005. Also I haven't been to the SOE Galaxies forums, so it must have been someone else, and I might have a good idea who. Also, I should let you know that I only was a co-founder. Credit for getting the wiki off the ground goes to WhiteBoy. I hope you do make good contributions at Wookieepedia. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:31, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Cathars, Troubadours, and Women
Hi! Sorry to take such a long time to reply to you. The idea of the troubadours veneration of the domna being linked to Catharism is an old classic, as far as I can tell: it appears to me that e.g. René Nelli, L'Érotique des troubadours, Toulouse: Privat, 1963 espouses that view (but I've only glanced at it), and it is certainly often mentioned. It might spring partly from the once-common perception of the cathars as proto-protestants. While it is of course difficult to ascertain exactly what the beliefs of the cathars were (see e.g. Peter Biller, 'Through a Glass Darkly: Seeing Medieval Heresy', The Medieval World ed. Peter Linehan and Janet L. Nelson, London and New York: Routledge, 2001; Mark Gregory Pegg, 'On Cathars, Albigenses, and Good Men of Languedoc', Journal of Medieval History 27 (2001), 181-95; and indeed the first chapter of John H. Arnold, History: A Very Short Introduction, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2000), it appears to me that the troubadours probably weren't cathars, nor significantly influenced by catharism. Linda Paterson emphasises that cathars' focus on the spiritual world, and abhorrence of the physical world, and the consequent dislike of sexuality per se, especially female. This dualism also included the idea of Jesus as 'pure spirit', '[t]he role of the Virgin Mary was therefore very much reduced: for some, she was the symbol of the Church, for others a woman through whom Christ had passed in order to appear in spiritual form on earth' (The World of the Troubadours: Medieval Occitan Society, c. 1100- c. 1300, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1993, p. 335). She also notes that while a few women did indeed have the status of perfect, they were few and far between. And, 'Cathars commonly held woman to be an instrument of the Fall of heavenly spririts...some Cathars thought women had to change into men to be admitted to heaven' (p. 251). The desexualised nature of Catharism also jars with the frankly sexualised veneration of the troubadours. Regarding inheritance etc., it's a vexed question, but it does appear that under customary law in Occitania, women could inherit at least something, and some did indeed inherit large lands they ruled by their own authority (see Paterson; Fredric L. Cheyette, Ermengard of Narbonne and the World of the Troubadours, Ithaca and London: Cornell University Press, 2001). However, through the twelfth and thirteenth centuries this changed (a classic article is Cheyette, ‘Suum cuique tribuere’, French Historical Studies 6 (1969/70), 287-99; see also F. R. P. Akehurst, ‘The Legal Background of the Troubadours and Trouvères’, The Cultural Milieu of the Troubadours and Trouvères, ed. Nancy van Deusen, Ottawa: Institute of Medieval Studies, 1994). William Paden also has some interesting comments in his introduction to The Voice of the Trobairitz: Perspectives on the Women Troubadours, Philadelphia: Pennsylvania University Press, 1989.In conclusion, I wouldn't link Catharism to the troubadours in any significant way, especially as regards the domna of their lyric. I hope I answered some of your questions! Tobyox 08:04, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)