User talk:Drachenfyre/Archives/2008/August

blazon of Welsh arms
The two banners you showed me can both be blazoned Quarterly or and gules, four lions [position] two and two counterchanged, where [position] is passant guardant for Aberffraw and rampant for Glyndŵr. —Tamfang (talk) 04:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

armed and langued azure means the claws (armes) and tongue (langue) are blue. Even if not explicitly blazoned, typically these features are red (gules) unless either the field or the beast is red, in which case they are blue. —Tamfang (talk) 03:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Welsh People
You made an edit to the article Welsh People, changing the emphasis from the percentage of people in Wales who consider themselves to be Welsh, to the percentage of people born in Wales who consider themselves to be Welsh. The casual reader browsing the article would see that a massive majority of people in Wales (87%) and would be likely to see what they expect and move on (as in an article on French People, for example, they would expect to see a majority of people in France considering themselves to be French). Without seeing the 'small print' that says that a large minority of imigrants don't consider themselves to be Welsh at all. Incomers are an ongoing problem in Wales. The English colonists (the vast majority are from England) don't tend to integrate or learn the Welsh language and are obviously far more likely to be unionist, voting in favour of so called British issues rather than Welsh ones and further eroding the Welsh culture and way of life. Such issues need to be publicised. Would you mind having another look at your edit please? Thanks. Daicaregos (talk) 13:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Without seeing the above comment, I've modified the text - your edit was very confusing. To an international readership, it seems to me that the fact that 87% of Welsh-born people living in Wales identify as Welsh (why isn't it 100%?) is much less interesting and important than the fact that 67% of all people living in Wales identify as Welsh.  (And PS, note to Daicaregos - not all, or even perhaps most, English-born people living in Wales regard ourselves as "colonists", "unionists", or "eroding Welsh culture". In a lot of cases, our forefathers were born here anyway.) Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello to you Ghmyrtle and Daicaregos! Well, my reasoning is simple. The artical is about Welsh people, that is, the ethinic group and nation of those who consider themselves Welsh. From this perspective, even for an international reader, the primary percentage is the 87% of those born in Wales considering themselves as Welsh. The second figure is just that, secondary. If this was an artical about the Demography of Wales, then prehaps I would agree. The Demography of Wales page does need attention by the way.


 * Should the info on the 30 percent of those not born in Wales be included? Yes, but that is secondary and should be treated as secondary info. And explained why there is such a high percentage of non-Welsh born residents residing in Wales. This would be a secondary paragraph, though in the opening paragraph I can see it as a secondary portion of the sentence or a second qualifying sentence. ♦Drachenfyre♦ · Talk 18:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a fair point. Although I still agree with Ghmyrtle that the 67% is a much more important fact. It sounds as though you don't consider those born outside Wales to be Welsh, even though 67% of those who were born outside Wales think of themselves as such, myself included (I was born London Welsh and moved back home to Wales). I've always considered genes to be the primary factor relating to nationality rather than location. (PS, note to Ghmyrtle - if the incomers integrate I wouldn't consider them to be colonists). Please reconsider. Cheers. Daicaregos (talk) 19:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll respond at Talk:Welsh people. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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