User talk:Dragongrey

Ygnition
Note that wikipedia is not an advertising service, nor is it a place to post opinion pieces. If you wish to express your ideas on wikipedia, do it on your userpage, not in articles. (|-- UlT  i  MuS  ( U • T • C 08:55, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

actual experinces
really most opinion could be deleted It is intended to provide information about policies that are not fairly represented in any accesable knowledge base — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragongrey (talk • contribs)

properly move?
Would wikinfo be a more proper venue? where there was no info, there is now an ad with a link... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragongrey (talk • contribs)
 * That's not an ad. It's all neutral and verifiable information. OhNo itsJamie Talk 09:36, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

equally the recently added and edited information is also verifiable- elements include the constant reliability of math, the history and science of the internet and the company in questions own publications.... neutrality depends on whether you think the policies, practices and services would survive in fair competition with other providers rather than exclusive contracts limiting consumer options.

since a link to the companies commercial site was added it opens a fair rebuttal/illumination of actual service statements and policies. Dragongrey 12:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a soapbox
Any info you add to the article must be neutral and verifiable. You may not put your personal first-person narratives or opinions in Wikipedia articles. OhNo itsJamie Talk 09:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

regarding verification of policies and services you may see their page. Regarding policy the do in fact arbitrarily reserve the right to ban peer to peer, resulting in access termination and punitive fees. again their page. they do rely on T1-their page.. They do consider 1mps sufficient for 100+ subscribers - although they incorrectly state that 1.544mps minus the .544mps required for service leaves a remaining 1,000,000mps... that number should be 1,000kps Dragongrey 14:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's NPOV policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Furthermore, reinserting the same commentary multiple times may cause you to violate the three-revert rule, which can lead to a block. OhNo itsJamie Talk 18:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm infact trying to observe wikipedia's NPOV policy please read and edit rather than totally delete these entries. regarding re-inserting, the information is different and reconsidered in light of suggested changes. you are infact violating the spirit of Wikipedia with these blanket deletesDragongrey 00:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

You have deleteted matierial that is obviously informative and neutral by continuing to delete entire entries this reducing to your stub in effect almost becomes an ad. By deleting permissable content you are actually violating wikipedia guidelines and subject to a complaint. Honest question, do you work for this company? some of your deletions favor this company rather than expanding, informing or editing to follow wikipedia policiesDragongrey 22:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Ygnition, formerly Interquest communications is an internet provider that specializes in contract installations for the "Multi-Family Real Estate industry." This kind of contract speciality allows them to limit competiton in the apartment complexes they serve because cosumers are not allowed the choice of other cable internet providers.

fact and verifiable do not delete...Dragongrey 22:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

"While technically a broadband provider, Ygnition's self-described use of a single T1(1.544mps) to provide service to 50-100+ subscribers at an apartment complex can actually result in slower than dial-up access. Ygnition's info informs that 1/3 or .544 mbps are used in systems services. Their information asserts that the remaining 1Mbps can serve 1-100+ subscribers."

Facts, verifiable and permissible-- do not deleteDragongrey 22:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

you can verify this too
What does this mean?

Simple math: 1,000,000Mps divided by 100 equals 10kps per connection. Dial-up often provides +52kps. Average quality jpeg files start around 60k.

common knowledege, verifiable - do not deleteDragongrey 22:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

What is a T1?
The T1 was developed in 1957 by AT&T and implemented through the 1960's. The technology is over 40 years old. Many experts agree, as the T1 telephone connection becomes an ever more expensive and inefficient conduit for a large multi-residence network when compared to speed the cable and fiber-optic resources availible to most offsite cable service providers who use their own extensive, non-telephone dependant networks, the aging T1 telephone technology will become obsolete in this capacity. The ever increasing bandwidth demands of our content rich internet communications can quickly consume the 1.544mbps availible. A T1 with as few as 24 users using 64kbps bandwidth is at full capacity. A T1 supports 24 channels at 64kbps.

historical, technical, follows logic and also follows wikipedia guidelines regarding opinion versus fact... Do not delete- edit if incorrect but research first!

Dragongrey 23:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

benefiting ygnition
Market experts could conclude that these contracts obviously benefits Ygnition because they eliminate market place competition from other cable internet providers to 150,000 apartment units across nine states (subscribers in 2005). At a subscription fee of $49 per month this provides Ygnition with over $7.5 million in monthly billing. Tenants in a Ygnition contracted Residential complex, must choose to either have Ygnition for cable ISP service, or they are limited to DSL, Satellite, Dial-up, or no service. They cannot use any othe cable Ygnition competitor, regardless of availble local service. Ygnition actually provides T1 service through a sitebased cable network, not true cable internet service. Their initial trunk at each site is telephone based.

expands on OhNoItsJamie's information by verifiable facts. do not just delete- edit if incorrect or ACTUALLY unverifiable...Dragongrey 23:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

neutral, verifiable
On the Ygnition commercial website Ygnition claims subscribers benefit from 24 hour onsite support, and faster activation and installation. In their customer service aggreement they reserve the right to limit srvice to "technical support via telephone to Subscriber a minimum of 40 Hours a week, 5 days a week."

confirmable by Ygnition's published site and documents.Dragongrey 23:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying to be fair and informative..
Please, by deleting what is in fact published information without research or consideration facts are being falsely labled opinion. By deleting history, technical information and analysis that could be commonly arrived at, means wikipedia's policies on editing are being ignored... I don't wnt an "edit war", I want to provide fair and balanced information that provides a better understanding of what this company does or does not provide. If you think it is unbalanced, make an honest attempt to edit it into balance. Just deleting entire entries because you disagree or dislike what they say is a clear violation of all of wikipedia's policy and intent.Dragongrey 00:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

In addition threatening with a block, deleting and not explaining why individual items are deleted is counterproductive. I will continue to try to explain, revise and edit to achieve the purpose with which this entry was created, to inform...Dragongrey 00:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Considerations for the consumer
A fact not made clear to the consumer is that the total bandwidth provided by Ygnition to a complex of a 1-100+ units on a T1 is less than that provided to a single family dwelling with a common 300mgps-600mgps direct cable connection.

the entries under these headings are not complete... I will add more... if you can expand, pleas put your entries under the most reasonable headingDragongrey 00:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

NPOV
please re-read the wikipedia NPOV before just citing it as a threat or reason for for blanket deletion of a conflicting point of view. NPOV calls for presenting the conflicting poit of view rather than just deleting something you disagree with or do not like...Dragongrey 00:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

personal analysis
Analysis is permitted if it can commonly be arrived at by fact, and desirable if it informs someone in greater detail about facts. Math is not in dispute. If you believe calculations are incorrect, plese correct, rather than delete them...

History is not generally in great dispute, although there are alternative views of what it means. If through research you find conflicting history, please present it along with sourcing.

Technology information is advancing and widely availible.. please do not delete it, expand it.

If you believe through analysis a different conclusion can be reached that is also widely supported, provide it as a counterpoint... deleting analysis because it does not agree with your personal analysis, even though it could be reasonably arrived at in common consensus violates the policy, purpose, and intent of wikipediaDragongrey 01:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Latest version
Your last version is better than the previous one, but there is still a lot of speculation and statements that are unsourced (I've tagged some with the tag and commented out others in the source with comments. I'm not an expert in the broadband market, but I know that in the San Diego area, consumers only have one choice for cable service depending on where they live (I started out with Comcast and was switched to Time Warner Roadrunner when I moved less than 10 miles away. Furthermore, while your statements about T1 are generally true, you are making assumptions about infrastructure; Ygnition could be using more than one T1 line per installation. I appreciate your willingness to move the article toward a properly sourced and neutral version. OhNo itsJamie Talk 01:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying. In our area we have the choices Time-warner/Comcast, ATT&T/SBC and Charter but residents cannot use any of these true cable providers if their apartment is served by Ygnition. Ygnition is single T1 in the complexes with fewer than 100 subscribers served by them in this region. In theory, they entertain the idea of adding additional an T1 if the subscriber base exceeds 100. They are not motivated to provide more than what they state because they have no competition. Instead, they block and disconnect subscribers who they judge to have exceeded their share of bandwidth. They then charge punitive fees for reconnection. In dealing with them they refuse to explain, document budge off of their restrictive customer aggreement. I'll post that agreement here.

I really think that apartment managers contract to them, not understanding what they are really getting and then end up locking their tenants into an really aggregious situation for a long contract period. The only safe way to avoid disconnection according to Ygnition service representives themselves is to limit large downloads to dial-up speeds. They make a blanket statement over the phone dissallowing any Peer 2 peer transfers, and disconnect without warning if they think you are using that technology. They are the only provider I know of who prohibits use of that protocol. In cases where the internet and wide-bandwidth access is important it's a situation that I know leads otherwise happy tenants to move. I'm an Artist, Art and Technology teacher and campus tech who also adjunct teaches art and art history occasionally at local universities. We're going to have to go DSL 'til we can move, but we will be leaving when our lease expires.Dragongrey 02:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)