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RollerCoaster Tycoon
I'm sorry for the copy-paste, but I couldn't move the article to the new namespace because the desired name was already existent as a redirect and Wikipedia wouldn't let me move it to an existing article.  Starfox Roy  |guestbook|  17:40, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Ouch! You've used a template to send a [User_talk:StarfoxRoy message] to an experienced editor. Please review the essay Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humour. Best wishes. User:Message From Xenu (talk) 02:18, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Re-Your Production
Oh, I understand completely. I'm just really annoyed that my pages were deleted when someone else's page was deleted. Mine WEREN'T NOMINATED for deletion. And they got deleted anyway. If someone had nominated them for deletion and if they had gotten deleted this way, I wouldn't mind so much. The reason given for deletion of my page was because somebody else's subpage was nominated for deletion. Thats why i'm so annoyed. In the future I'd like at least a message sent to me if one of my pages is deleted. Thank you. Pretty7Gurl (talk) 20:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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Gorgeous !
It's nice you have removed my opinion, but you know, someone should take care of the music section (Thief (series)), or those games had no sound? Thanks. --TudorTulok (talk) 21:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

One year later...
So, I took a year off from Wikipedia. I don't know how long I'll be back, and how much I'll be editing, but I know that I did miss editing to some extent. At the same time, Wikipedia was precluding me from doing other things in life, so I needed to take a long step back. I can't promise anything this time around, but I'll try to avoid overexertion. I actually realized that this was happening to me cyclically, in that I would spend a ton of time on one thing until I burned out and needed to move on in order to maintain sanity. Too much of a good thing, indeed.

I noticed that Diary of a Camper hit the Main Page when I was gone, and came through with only minor copyediting changes. Since it's such a short article, I never thought that it would have been scheduled. I was pleased.

As far as WikiProject Machinima, I noticed that the VG guys want to merge it as a task force of VG. What do you think? My stance on this has traditionally been that, because of its nature, machinima is a field that attracts its own set of followers, a group that is completely contained within neither filmmakers nor video game enthusiasts. But you and I have really been the only people active at doing anything at all with the WikiProject itself, and the Halo-related articles attract attention occasionally from the WP:HALO folks. Unfortunately, I don't think that the old Quake movies era is going to get a revival of interest any time soon, although being part of the much larger VG project altogether may actually increase potential exposure to interested editors in the long run. What do you think? — TKD:: Talk  06:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * WP:VG is a huge project. Over the years I had interacted with several good users involved with it. That's not to say that the project is devoid of cruft problems, but there are a number of good editors. Particularly, most of the WP:HALO people have a good sense of how to write about fiction; there are a number of featured articles pertaining to the Halo series. Same goes for Final Fantasy. Personally, I think that the worst that would happen is apathy.


 * The thing is that we need editors who know and can write about the general state of machinima as an art form in addition to about individual productions. This is a pretty specialized field, and, unlike a lot of popular culture covered on Wikipedia, some of best resources are in print form only. But even if other editors can only help with the fictional universe stuff, I think that would be helpful.


 * I myself am not sure how much writing I'll be able to do. I did lose a few notes with my hard drive completely died last summer, but I think that most of them had been incorporated already. I used the incident as an opportunity to upgrade to a Western Digital VelociRaptor for my C: drive.


 * I saw Reconstruction and liked it a lot, particularly that they were able to extend the story without having to retcon much. I plan on getting the Reconstruction DVD soon, and I myself have been thinking about watching through a Red vs. Blue marathon some Saturday or Sunday. — TKD:: Talk  08:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * See also WT:VG. — TKD:: Talk  09:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Important people list Looking Glass
Hi I feel I may have truly been invisible at Looking Glass. Now this list confirms my worst fears! I joined LG in late 1992 as a concept artist on Terra Nova. The art team there was great..teaching me the many computer skills I took with me going forward in my career. I was eventually made lead artist on TN. I was responsible for nearly all the conceptual work such as the power battle armor, dropship designs, military bases, etc. I eventually took on the task of overseeing all the cutscenes, as well as art directing the live video shoots with the "actors". I created and or designed all the props and costumes used in these scenes. I also created most print collateral as well as art directing the final package design (for better or worse, I'm afraid.)I also dabbled a bit in a little game called System Shock. I worked with a great team. Kurt Bickenbach, Robb Waters, Carol Angell, and Mark Lizotte. They have all gone on to new adventures in this field, and I thank them for all their patience and talent. I would hope to join them and others who have apparently.."made the list" at a great outfit! Thanks Rich Sullivan LG 1992-1997 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.36.78 (talk) 16:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I'm just a little confused on your easter egg inquiry..I did the complete Terra Nove intro, but other artists worked on the System Shock intro. Sorry if I came off overly miffed, but putting 5 years into a company, almost all of them on one project, lead artist on Terra Nova..it seemed odd I wasn't on the list. Looking Glass represents a great time in my career, a huge change from my previous work outside games and computers. Many friends and colleagues I'm still in touch with, I met there. The final year on TN, was full bore, from concept work to video art direction and even making those bad props you saw in the video sequences!;) Anyway, I do appreciate you addressing my post Rich Sullivan sulldoggy.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.36.78 (talk • contribs)

User:Bullfish111
Thanks for the heads-up. I'm assuming good faith and warned the (logged-in) user on his/her talk page. I have a suspicion that knows (at the very least) Bullfish, given that their only edits are related to human feces and War of the Servers. Not exactly the most common combination of interests. However, I cannot be certain at this point whether they're just talking to each other or are sockpuppets (recall that Elfzombie wanted to delete War of the Servers, and the IP/Bullfish wanted to keep it). On the other hand, Bullfish finished Elfzombie's AfD for human feces (but wanted to merge it). At this point, I think that they're two people who know together, and am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in that respect, unless further disruption occurs. If you want to take it to sockpuppet investigations, though, you can. I'm at work and can't follow up. — TKD:: Talk  17:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Battlezone
Hey, I seen you took down my "Community Support" thing under Battlezone. I understand that, however I think fans out there deserve to know where the community's are. So I'm asking if you could put www.battlezoneclub.org under external links. But I see someone got that section locked up for 4 months. That's not fair that one person ruined it for the rest, why not IP ban him or something?

Anyways I'd appreciate it a lot if you'd consider putting that link under the external link section, and hey, if another person comes along and PMs you to put his fan site up, then sure, put it up. The more the merrier.

Cheers, Dan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123Dan123 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

More thoughts on machinima
So, after having made a little more incremental progress on cleaning up the list of productions at Machinima, I've been thinking that, in its current form, Academy of Machinima Arts & Sciences is better recast as a list of machinima festivals (or possibly list of Academay of Machinima Arts & Sciences festvals if you want to restrict scope; thoughts on this?). AMAS then may or may not warrant a separate article in and of itself, but, at the very least, we have a brief mention in machinima already, so a redirect wouldn't be too bad. As I mentioned in the AfD for War of the Servers a film festival list could serve as a convenient target page for redirects corresponding to the dozens of productions that have little basis for a mention elsewhere. Since the list of film festivals is pretty well-defined, there might be a decent shot of getting that to featured list status at some point (whereas list of machinima productions will be harder, because of the breadth of scope). — TKD:: Talk  09:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

It's about Donkey Kong Country...
I know the game wasn't made in Japan, but I added the Japanese title back into the article. I'd rather not start an argument, thank you.  L D E J R u f f  ( see what I've contributed ) 16:02, 04 February 2009 (EDT)

Another tip for fighting vandalism
Hey; I noticed the update to your user page. One additional tip for fighting vandalism is that, if you're an established user and have a good grasp of what does and does not require additional edit summary explanation (i.e., when it's better to undo manually), requesting rollback privileges is useful in cleaning up petty vandalism. This is my personal observation, but AN/I or other boards are the most expedient route only for complex cases that AIV excludes (long-term POV pushing, possible sockpuppetry, etc.). If it's a vandalbot or spambot, an AIV report should be sufficient, even in cases of mass vandalism; usually the blocking admin will (or should, anyway) revert outstanding vandalism after issuing the block, since he/she had to check contributions anyway to verify the basis for the AIV report. — TKD:: Talk  22:37, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Drat; I probably should've offered this to you earlier. I've scanned your contributions, and you have a good grasp of when a reversion needs to be explained in more detail. If you're interested, I can grant you rollback rights to your account, so that you can use it to revert spam/nonsense/vandalism (only) more quickly (although I often use Twinkle, a JavaScript tool that anyone can use, to revert). — TKD:: Talk  12:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. If you want to practice or test, there's New admin school/Rollback available (although that page was originally set up for admins, new rollbackers have been pointed to it since that permission began to be assigned separately). And, yes, I completely understand how life can become busy, so don't worry about the delayed response. :) — TKD:: Talk  12:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

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Structure of machinima
So I've finally, after a year and a half or so, rewritten machinima to be (IMO) structurally coherent and broad. There are several facts left to integrate before I'd consider it ready for FA, but I have nominated it for GA status. Do you see any major structural section that I'm missing altogether? — TKD:: Talk  11:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Duh; thanks for correcting this stupid mistake of mine. Not sure where Blizzard came from. — TKD:: {talk}  23:19, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Whenever you get a chance. A extra set of eyes is helpful. I'd like to take it to FAC at some point, but I still need to read through a few more sources at depth. Marino 2004 in particular may be useful for more information on production techniques, with the caveat that they should be presented in descriptive language that avoids crossing into the realm of the how-to. — TKD:: {talk}  10:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The GA nomination is on hold, partly because a copyedit, particularly for flow, would be beneficial. Do you think that you could give it a comb-through, as a fresh pair of eyes? — TKD:: {talk}  00:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll be giving it a look-over as well. I just need to shift my brain from content additions and high-level organization back to copyediting. Based on my varying focus here at Wikipedia over time, I've found that the two are pretty hard to mix for me. — TKD:: {talk}  05:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I've done a good chunk of the article and eliminated about 160 words, net, so hopefully it's not in as verbose of a state for you to look at. — TKD:: {talk}  09:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Finished going through the whole article from my end, again to hopefully minimize blatantly bad cases of sentence flow. Let me know if you can make further improvements. — TKD:: {talk}  01:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I re-read Marino 2004, and his wording ("added [...] new support") is a bit ambiguous, which confused me originally. Some details, like Halo 3 stuff, need to be updated and/or expanded a bit, but for now I've clarified that the letterboxing applied to The Blood Gulch Chronicles (technically, they still do use it for the Halo 2 parts of newer videos, but that's a nitpick). GA requires only broad, not comprehensive, coverage. I have ideas for material that needs to be added. As for The Seal of Nehahra, perhaps that can be worked in; I'll have to read machinima.com's coverage of it in more detail; I've mostly been sticking to the books and papers that I've read for selected examples. — TKD:: {talk}  16:04, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Thief
It doesn't say anything on the page about Goldeneye. That piece of rubbish was stuck in by a person who thinks that Goldeneye was the source of all the innovation the FPS genre has ever seen, when it certainly isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.79.206 (talk) 14:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Wait, sorry, it does talk about Goldeneye, but that article basically implied that goldeneye invented exploration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.79.206 (talk) 14:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Machinima source reliability
I just drafted WikiProject Machinima/Sources for information on reliability of sources in machinima-related articles, particularly for less generally known cases for which questions may arise, since scrutiny of sources has increased at GAN/FAC. Even if the WikiProject isn't that active, I did this so that there's a central place that can be referenced. Since a lot of the cases that I've thought of deal with the old Quake movie sites, let me know if you disagree with my assessment (and feel free to add anything that you feel is worth mentioning). — TKD:: {talk}  12:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Avoiding logged-out edits
Hey; if you keep getting accidentally logged out, one way to reduce the chance of not noticing is to add this to your monobook.css (or whichever MediaWiki skin you use):

After you bypass your browser cache, the Save button should be green if logged in, and black if not. — TKD:: {talk}  22:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, I have a few other things in my .css that also significantly change the appearance of Wikipedia from the default (such the font). — TKD:: {talk}  22:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. You don't have to yuse all of it, if you don't want. :) Also note that some of the stuff there only works in the newer versions of Firefox (but should be silently ignored by IE). — TKD:: {talk}  23:28, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

An essay that you might find interesting (and its appllicability to machinima)
Remember when machinima had either a laundry list of game engines, and then later a list of "other notable productions"? Weekly (or more often), we had editors adding barely notable (if that) productions to the article, in a drive-by fashion. has an essay on "cargo cult encyclopaedia article writing". There, he argues that raw lists of examples (especially pertaining to fiction) encourage people to add items one by one in the vain hope that a coherent article will emerge. When articles are cleaned up to have sourced analysis with relevant examples worked into the text, the rate of drive-by additions generally decreases, because the article is less inviting of them.

I mention this because it shows that cleaning up can have future maintenance reduction benefits beyond the sake of cleanup itself. — TKD:: {talk}  12:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Importance of Nomination
I was recently going over the various Red vs. Blue pages, and spotted  (this). I went over these pages in the hopes of finding a page that had a list of maps that were used in the machinima. I can't find any website with this information.
 * Anyway, now that Out of Mind,  Recovery One,  Reconstruction, and  Relocated have been released, I figured that the List of Maps page would be updated for all of them. It wasn't until I checked the Red_vs._Blue_production history page that I found out a page for that did exist, but was nominated for deletion and eventually deleted altogether.

'''Why was this page deleted? And should it be remade?'''--CornfieldMannequin (talk) 17:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't blindly revert
Don't blindly revert. Some of my edits were solely to increase clarify and remove bias. You also removed some content that was sourced by someone else previously because you have a habit of blindly reverting. Go through line by line, item by item, if you wish to remove some of my cited sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonamealberto7 (talk • contribs)

The Seal of Nehahra
So, after thinking about this for a very long time, I've decided that I'm okay with mentioning The Seal of Nehahra somewhere in machinima; I was concerned for a while about the thinness of secondary sources. However, do you have any good idea of where and how it would fit into the article? It was released in 2000, but by then the history section is into Quake III and Quad God. The hard part is that mentioning Nehahra almost feels like a backtrack after we've mentioned Quad God, but mentioning it earlier feels even more out of place. Any ideas on wording? — TKD:: {talk}  02:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm. I have an idea. Instead of trying to jam it into "History", we could use the fact that Mindcrime worked (mostly?) alone on the film to supplement the section in "Production" that says, "Although a filmmaker can work alone this way, perfecting scripts can be time-consuming." (Tone would need to be tweaked a bit.) Something like:"A filmmaker can work alone this way, as J. Thaddeus 'Mindcrime' Skubis did in creating the nearly four-hour The Seal of Nehahra (2000), the longest work of machinima at the time. However, perfecting scripts can be time-consuming ..." — TKD:: {talk}  05:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Added. — TKD:: {talk}  01:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding non-notable machinima works
Regarding [ this], I think that it's a combination of all three factors that you mention. The idea may have sunk in that reliable sources are needed here, and that other wikis are better for pure directory-like information. I'll add a foutrh factor: The main machinima article used to list a bunch of things that people just added without sources, thus serving as a bad example. —TKD  [talk]  [c] 04:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding deletionist habit
Please try to avoid using variations of the crystal ball argument when putting an article up for deletion.

Crystal ball
Please read also the introduction of this essay on making solid arguments in deletion discussions if you came via a direct link to this subsection.

Examples:
 * Keep This is going to be really important very soon. – Youwillsee 18:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete This is just a flash in the pan, and nobody will remember it in a week/month/year. – Shortattentionspan 18:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Please do not write this off as the opposite argument of crystal ball, but as a note. For example your offer for deletion of an article 'Clear Skies (Machinima)' states: "Non-notable machinima production released only a week ago, with the only source being forums." You mention, 'only a week ago' obviously there would be little third party coverage at this point, but I'm just saying that you should consider having a slightly more relaxed attitude towards article deletion. Consider if there was a RedvsBlue wiki during Roosterteeth's infant stages, and a user had the article deleted because of 'non-notability' only a week into creation. I do not wish to sound as if I'm berating you, just suggesting a way to help you to allow Wikipedia to improve. BeyondUshuaia (talk) 05:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of List of enemies in Doom
I have nominated List of enemies in Doom, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/List of enemies in Doom&. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Including vital info for all the fighters
I realize this message is very belated, but when I looked at my edit history, the vital info thing went as far back as 2007. I do not like my edits removed, when I believe they have no reason to be. That being said, I have to keep reminding myself that this is a web encyclopedia for everyone, not a database for me. I still believe that my adding the vital info for each fighter was not so much necessary but still somewhat insightful (compared to (I.E.) me saying that Orchid is pretty hot for a SNES character, which would have been totally unnecessary...haha), but I conceded on this a long time back so it's not a concern to me. Just wanted to convey my opinions...I would have done this sooner if I had known I could...have fun... Kuzosake (talk) 00:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Last Goon Show of All cuts
Hi Drat. First use of this talk page stuff for me. With respect, regarding my 'unsourced' description of the bit that was left out of the VHS (& later DVD), this is extremely easy to verify. All one need to do is to listen to the LP or CD, both of which contain the portion to which I refer. I also remember watching the live telecast as a youngster. I do have the CD somewhere, and if I find it, I'll reference it, and perhaps try to create a soundbite. But these are out there for any Goon fan to find. I did check the link to the script, but that is incomplete - which means it was compiled from an incomplete source, possibly the video. You are correct regarding a degree of opinion in my text. If I recall, I expressed disappointment at the deletion, which leaves the delayed punchline without a lead-up context. But while the expression of disappointment is an opinion, there is a factual basis behind it, which is (a) the fact of deleted dialogue, and (b) the fact of a statement by Moriarty appearing to have no relevance to anything, whereas if the deleted bit is heard first (which is funny in itself), it makes sense as a brilliant piece of word-play. Regards, Wotnow (talk) 22:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)Wotnow

Update. I have located my CD, and copied it to my computer. I don't yet know how to edit the thing so I can create a small clip of the relevant section. However, I can give the following information: CD ref: BBCCD1630. Copyright: 1973, BBC Enterprises Ltd.

In the audio file was created in two parts. On part one, at 21mins:41secs, Ray Ellington’s piece has finished, and announcer Andrew Timothy has made his quip about “one time colour sergeant, now a Chelsea pensioner”. 21:44 ANDREW TIMOTHY: With anti-pollution in mind, we move now to the Westminster City Council rubbish dump, skilfully sited in the middle of Hyde Park. Two ragged fiends incarnate are discussing a moot point

21:58 GRYTPYPE-THYNNE: Don’t point that moot at me Moriarty. Say this line… 22:04 MORIARTY (Spike reading from script): Sacrebleu…Great news! The Council have just dumped… GRYTPYPE: Good… MORIARTY: Eight hundred feet of brand new lagging GRYTPYPE: Question: Why does the Council discard brand new lagging? SEAGOON: Answer: Because it was in feet and inches, and we have gone metric. GRYTPYPE: Splendid. So that’s where you’ve gone. Old England isn’t finished yet. It’s finished… 22:32	FX: Gong GRYTPYPE: …now. Moriarty, that lagging is going to be a life saver MORIARTY: Yes, let’s eat it. Forward FX: Slap MORIARTY (sharply) Owww! GRYTPYPE: What’s the matter with you, you stupid Frenchie-poo. Here we are starving to death, and all you, can think of is food…Moriarty.. MORIARTY: …yes… 22:58	GRYTPYPE: Lay your lovely head on this anvil, and close your eyes. FX: Clang MORIARTY (screaming in pain): Owowwww! GRYTPYPE: Now taste this margarine. MORIARTY: Gulps, smacks lips GRYTPYPE: There. Can you tell the difference? MORIARTY: No GRYTPYPE (triumphant): You see! You can’t tell the difference between a lump on the head, and margarine. The leadership of the Conservative Party is yours for the asking! 23:32	At this point Neddy Seagoon arrives on his Goon Show, singing. The sketches continue, and part one finishes at 25:48, after the line where Grytpype Thynne recommends leg lags to prevent knee trembling

I should note during the whole portion above, Milligan and Sellers are clearly enjoying themselves, as we hear them pausing several times to stifle their own laughter. This itself adds to the enjoyment for listeners.

In part two, we get, at 2:22 the line about "the difference between margarine":

2:22 BLUEBOTTLE: …what is that lump on your nut? MORIARTY: That is the difference between margarine. Wotnow (talk) 03:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)Wotnow Wotnow (talk) 02:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)Wotnow

Last Goon Show media file successfully created. Error in trying to upload.
Hi Drat,

Sorry to trouble you, but I write this message as I daresay you will be more competent in fixing an error that I made, than I am at this stage.

I took on board your comments re my additions to the cuts and edits section of The Last Goon Show of All. Added correct citations for readers to find original sources. Removed subjective opinion. No problem. All was well.

In my previous post on your talk page regarding your original editing comments, which you've probably read, I said I'd try to create an audio clip of the omitted lead-up to the margarine-lump punchline (without which it has no context). I figured that out and did it. No problem so far.

I then tried uploading the audio clip at the end of my comments in the cuts and edits section of The Last Goon Show of All page. What transpired was that I created a whole new page with the audio clip. All this took time of course. "Oh well" I thought, at least it's physically available for listening, and I'll work out how to get it into the relevant section later. I then reviewed the audio file upload information - which seems scattered amongst several pages, to the extent that I've yet to find a page I know I previously read a couple of days ago. At any rate, I found a page that gave instructions for inserting a clip into an article, typed the relevant text, did a preview, and it all looked exactly as it should. However, I got the 'duplicate' warning, but since the instructions I used were quite different this time as below,

I figured that rather than creating another page, I'd be saving TO the article in question. I wasn't 100% sure of course, but I thought I'd give it a go. Mistake. I won't do that sort of thing again. I should have used the sandbox I guess.

Anyway Drat, this is where my message to you comes in. From my readings, it seems my duplicate page can be deleted by merging with the original page I created (and of course that is surplus if the file can be uploaded to the article). I had a look at the merging instructions, and started to proceed, but I realise I'm still too much of a novice, and it's better to put my hand up and ask if a more competent person can pick up from here - with of course my apologies. Two reasons I ask this of you, is that firstly I assume you know how to do it. Secondly (and regardless of the first point), you can at least check out the audio clip and see for yourself (from my contributions page links) the relevance to the point I was making.

The problem being this (in relation to my original point on edits): people like me who heard the original broadcast and then listened to the LP and CD, recognise when a portion is missing. But as we disappear, subsequent generations, if their sources comprise only those with omissions, can't possibly be expected to know that there are omissions, and thus over time the fidelity of the humour is lost, without anyone being any the wiser. But I am greatly encouraged to see whole new generations becoming enamoured of this unique and watershed humour.

So if you can avail yourself of the audio clip, and be of assistance in the correction of my rather stupid mistake - for which I again apologise to any readers - I would be grateful. Wotnow (talk) 07:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)Wotnow

File downsized to within 10% limit. Next is to merge other duplicate page
Thanks for your feedback on my talkpage Drat. I have now downsized the Goon Show clip to within the 10% limit, while managing to leave intact the portions that matter. Namely, the omitted lead-up to the punchline, and the punchline. I have uploaded the updated file to ONE of the above-mentioned accidentally duplicated pages. No point in updating files in both pages, since the next objective is to merge them.

On reviewing Help:Merging, I see that "Merging is a normal editing action, something any editor can do, and as such does not need to be proposed and processed", especially if such a merger would be uncontroversial, in which case no proposal is necessary, and one can be bold and simply do the job. In the current case, such a merger would indeed be uncontroversial, as the duplication was entirely accidental and unintended. Since it is a normal editing function, and since it is my error, I was of a mind to fix it myself. However, since merging the files requires the pagename, the very first problem I've encountered is the question of the name of the page. While I've successfully named and linked pages within other articles, I can't seem to find the name of my two files. Any ideas on this? I'm assuming that it's 'common knowledge' to more experienced editors. Wotnow (talk) 02:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)Wotnow

File downsized to 30 seconds, & file page improved via template. Still the duplicate page to merge
Hi again Drat. Thanks for your replies and patience. I see your point. I have now managed to reduce the audio clip to minimum requirements, and uploaded that to Last Goon Show of All, where I also deleted my sentence that bordered on analysis - re missing 12 minutes. I've also utilised the audio file template from the All Along The Watchtower example cited on the Music_samples page. There remains now the issue of the duplicate audio file page, and the merging of it with the updated one. Your thoughts? Wotnow (talk) 07:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)Wotnow

Issue resolved
Update to the above. The issue has been resolved, courtesy of Rich Farmbrough (See User talk:Rich Farmbrough/Archive/2009Aug). Thanks also to you Drat for your comments in the first place, which prompted the process of improvement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wotnow (talk • contribs) 13:51, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

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hi

i just realized i hava message form you saying "stop adding inappropriate links and spamming". I have NO idea what youre talking about. explain please.

cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.182.29.57 (talk) 21:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

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Alcatraz iPhone App
Hi..you sent me a spam note about my link to the Alcatraz iPhone app under "Alcatraz Island" "External Links."

How can you allow "alcatrazhistory.com," "map of alcatraz," and "alcatraz.mobi," all commercial sites, and disallow the iPhone app? The app has a complete audio and narrative island tour, historical summary, escape attempts/photos...exactly what a wikipedia user might want to see. And it's rated 5-stars (out of 5) by itunes users.

Best Regards,

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Big Rigs Forum
I'm at a loss to know why you removed the link to the Big Rigs forum as "Not needed". That "reason" may as well apply to the whole article, which to be fair is about an inconsequential game. Nevertheless, the link I added is to the only forum about the game itself. Looking at your user history, the only thing you appear to do on Wikipedia is revert edits.

P. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulmoloney (talk • contribs) 17:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Captain Comic external link.
I see that you deleted my link to DOSome Games: Captain Comic. You sited spamming and pirate download. That is my own site that I link to and I put up several wikipedia links to it on the same day, so I can understand it raising red flags for spamming. I read through the Wikipedia rules on spamming. I'd like to make an appeal that although I'm linking to my own site, it is the best place on the internet to get those games because of the installers I wrote. Wikipedia is about making information accessible and nowhere are those games more accessible to the average user than on my site. If this still qualifies as spamming, please explain it to me and I will understand and not post anymore links. I'll just have to hope that somebody unconnected with the site sees the value and posts a link.

As far as the pirate downloads, I think you may be right. I'm confident that Captain Comic I is legally distributable, but it was some time ago that I acquired Captain Comic II and I don't remember where I got it. Now I can't find any evidence that it is shareware and so as soon as I get to a network that allows FTP access to my server, I will remove the Captain Comic II download. I try to make sure that everything on my site is legal and so I apologize for that oversight.

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Donut e03
Hello. Donut actually returns in episode three, as you can see here, here and here. The only reason it would be episode four is if the trailer was counted as an episode, which isn't the case. Thanks! Fin©™ 13:06, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh whoops, fair point, sorry, that's my fault. Sorry about that =S Just finished catching up with those seasons, I did indeed think it was referring to Recreation and not Relocated. Sorry sorry!! Fin©™ 13:27, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

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Alan Merrill
Hi. I note you added a references tag on Alan Merrill in 2008, which was promptly removed by a single-purpose editor - I'm just going through the same thing myself - it's turning into an edit war. The article still has zero references. Also, there's been a recent addition of non-notable early bands of which Merrill was a member such as Watertower West to the article. Maybe you could pop back in? Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:28, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I know Donkey Kong Country wasn't made in Japan...
...but I felt like adding the bit of info in the article anyway. Though I did forget to mention it in the game's international release bit.

BTW, and this is off-topic, have you visited my Powerpuff Girls Wiki, Foster's Wiki, and my [http://havealaugh.wikia.com/ have a laugh! Wiki]?

I wish you good luck on next month, so when you wake up, make sure the first thing on your mind should be rabbit, rabbit.

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I was going through all the Donkey Kong articles looking for those that were missing romaji. I was not aware that the ones that were missing all Japanese text were ones developed by the American company and the Japanese text would not be necessary, as it was released in the states first.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 19:13, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Perfect Dark FA
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gus sorola
i thought it would be cool to put gus' official job title on his wikipedia page... as for a reference it is in his bio for his twitter page (http://twitter.com/sorola) and is also on his business card. would i need to like scan that in or something? and as for trivial... what on these pages isn't trivial? isn't that kind of the point? thanks jake  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.246.102 (talk) 06:08, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

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Featured Article Review of Perfect Dark
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Flight Unlimited
Hey. I was looking at Seamus Blackley's page, and I noticed that there's a quote from the Flight Unlimited manual on it. After Googling the quote, and checking replacementdocs, it became clear that the manual was not available online; at least, not as far as I could see. I checked the article history, and it appears that you added it back in 2005. Flight's article happens to be one of my upcoming projects; I've been improving LGS coverage, in the hope of one day achieving a "Looking Glass Studios games" Good Topic. However, without the manual, there's no way I could write a Gameplay section. Not to mention, it appears that, like Ultima Underworld II and System Shock, Looking Glass included key design information in there. How is it that you came by the manual? I understand that you are, or used to be, an active member of the TTLG community, so I thought that perhaps they had it available for download at one time. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 04:22, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries; I'll find it some way or another. And as for the "crufty mess", honestly, I'm glad you did so much work on LGS articles. Most recently, during my efforts on Terra Nova: Strike Force Centauri, it's been nice to have a starting point; it's nearly impossible to write from scratch. Not to mention, if you hadn't done it, the articles probably would have been useless one-paragraph stubs all these years. So, thanks—I, for one, have always appreciated your work improving LGS coverage. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 11:44, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

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RollerCoaster Tycoon
Hey, I alerted someone of the cast list people keep trying to put in, so now the article is semi-protected. Hopefully they'll learn to quit it by the time the protection expires 3 weeks from now. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 20:51, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Warning!
I see, you have reverted to this page (Talk:Quake III Arena). I bringed back to the page AND NOT CONSIDERED A FORUM. Please refrain to delete him UNTIL you put the message into the (Talk:Quake III Arena/Facts). And you can do it yourself. If you abusing me as 3RR, You have no chance for blocking. Mind your own business. 81.215.239.22 (talk) 07:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

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Are you played Quake III Arena? Then move it into the Article if you consider to trivia. If not, i'll revert again to the talk page and you will be Blocked.

Shortly: If these are trivia, please add them. Or you will blocked from editing. 81.215.239.22 (talk) 09:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Talkback (you can delete this message)
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Mythbusters thermite reaction
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Speedy deletion declined: Grand Theft Auto IV: The Trashmaster
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2006 Emergent Game Play
I just was looking at some of my oldest contributions from 2006 and found a dispute we had then on emergent gameplay. It seems I won in the end so I thought I would leave you a ha-ha here for you for next time you are back. HaHa! :-D AbstractClass (talk) 22:00, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

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About Donkey Kong
Sorry I don't want to fight with you, but take look,「Super Donkey Kong」,「Super Donkey Kong 2」,「Super Donkey Kong 3」,「Official Super Donkey Kong site 」,「Official Super Donkey Kong 2 site 」,「Official Super Donkey Kong 3 site 」
 * PS(1): If you don't understand please use Google translate.
 * PS(2): If you still want proof it's not developed in Japan, please give me more sources, thank you. --2D-2R (talk) 21:23, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

About DK (2)
OK I got it. So you means the first location of developed was in UK right? Because you told me Rare is a company in UK. But...... that doesn't mean it not developed in Japan. And by the way, why did Japanese wants to change the name? --2D-2R (talk) 22:15, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

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Rooster Teeth Productions
Hey, I was just wondering what you undid that the one user put down? -Zachafinackus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zachafinacks (talk • contribs) 17:47, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I was just wondering since I just started and was messaging someone experienced to see what little things to look for. Zachafinacks (talk) 22:55, 16 January 2013 (UTC)Zachafinacks

Poets' Graves
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Article Feedback deployment
Hey Drat; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The Jamie Hyneman Partial Revert
While I understand why not using WP pages as REF, The page in question does state the names of the episodes that I failed to quote in my edit comment. Also without the ref, the Original addition has no direct context. Someone Viewing it could come across the edit and think that The Darwin Awards, retested the myth twice when In fact (as the Jato Rocket Car Page Points out) It was Mythbusters.

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I dont consider it spam
We are writing an new page for wikipedia, i only was preparing it

Sorry - Juan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meganitrospeed (talk • contribs) 15:03, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Question
If I make a complete new site for Wikipedia think you it will be acepted ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meganitrospeed (talk • contribs) 18:02, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia Article
No, I mean create a Wikipedia article, and when self posting isnt allowed, I will ask some of my clients if they like the service — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meganitrospeed (talk • contribs) 17:03, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

It could be, but i dont see wikipedia as an Advertise site, If I want to post here information, is because I think it will be usefull for other people — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meganitrospeed (talk • contribs) 14:54, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I experienced sleep paralysis and it did feel demonic!
Hello Drat, just wanted to say that this article hits home with me. I have had this experience a few times during the last several months, with the midst frightening happening only this morning. I am 50 years old and have never had this problem until recently. I actually felt like I was fighting to wake up and open my eyes and I couldn't! I sensed someone small standing at the foot of my bed, and twice he spoke my name. I thought for a second that my husband had returned home from work... but I couldn't open my eyes or speak. It was a very strange experience--which is why I googled this. My husband has a terrible snoring problem and I think it may be disrupting my REM. This article suggests that as a hypothesis. Thanks for making me feel like I am not crazy!. ☺

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