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Machinima rewrite
I've started on the much-belated and necessary cleanup of machinima. I took care of everything pre-Quake in the first batch of sourcing (it certainly helps that I did some of that research for Diary of a Camper). As I go along, let me know if I'm missing any major sources or verifiable points. — TKD::Talk 08:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * A thought that occurred to me while working on the article: I think that we could use articles like Quake machinima, Halo machinima, World of Warcraft machinima, etc. This way, we have a place to mention things that are too trivial for their own article, but that are mentioned in a couple of reliable sources. Zinwrath comes to mind, for example. Outside of plot summary, there's doesn't seem to be much to say about it, other than that it aired on G4 and won some awards. But it does seem that the contest itself could warrant a mention, and Zinwrath could be mentioned in that context. — TKD::Talk 13:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm into 2001-ish now, gradually working my way through. Unfortunately, Paul Marino's book stops in early 2004, so it'll be a little harder to cobble together sources beyond that point. :) — TKD::Talk 13:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Battlezone
I appreciate that you are trying to tidy up pages etc, and I'm not trying to cause any problems here. The section I added about the online sniping community for the Activision game, Battlezone, may be trivial to those who just played single player, but for those who played it, my section would be very relevant. It would be complemented, by someone who wishes to add a setction about the DM and Strat communities respectively, as all three communities interlinked and many people played both. If you were a member of this community, or were involved in either the BZF for snipergrade, then please let me know your onine name during 1999-2001 and we can maybe take it forward together. Please do not undo my edit without messaging me. Thanks. Paulowan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulowan (talk • contribs) 09:54, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Battlezone Reply
The list of best players is not based on my own opinion, it's based on results of tournament games and inter-clan matches held over a 2 year period. As an administrator involved in organising tournaments and competitions for the snipe community over it's peak period of interest, I can say that the information provided is pretty accurate and not just based on personal views. To say that it adds little value to the article as a whole is very subjective - any X snipers from BZ would agree that it adds abit of depth to the multiplayer section. And as I said before, someone is free to add something about DM or Strat to make a complete online section. I could always make a wiki page for it, but as it says in you profile, its better to have one complete article than multiple articles around the same topic. I will remove the list of major player snipers as a compromise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulowan (talk • contribs) 17:04, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

So you are saying that this is original research, but if a third party person was write the exact same article then it would be ok? The bottom line is, I have generally stated facts rather than opinions - ie, 100 players, 2 major snipe clans, etc. If any veteran snipers want to challenge it, I can change it, or they can change it themselves. If I'm not around here in 5 years time and I'm not here to verify it, then it can be removed can't it. This community came and went over 5 years ago, so there is no personal gain in me writing this section of the article - it merely provides a paragraph of imformation regarding the online snipe community and to anyone that played it, it would be a welcome addition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulowan (talk • contribs) 10:52, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

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System Shock 3 AfD
You recently added prod-2 to System Shock 3. Because the article had already been deleted via prod once before, the new prod was invalid. As such, I listed the article at AfD; the debate is here. Feel free to comment. Thanks! — TKD::Talk 12:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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Why is it that you have such great edits, but you are still not a sysop? Dr ea my \*/ !$!  02:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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ShoutWire
I'll try to stop by later and add in my thoughts, though you covered the situation pretty well. I don't know whether you've seen it yet, but you might also want to read WP:ATA, a very nice clearinghouse for poor arguments related to deletion discussions. — TKD::Talk 19:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

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The massive list of machinima productions by engine
Having finally rewritten the history section of machinima, I've been pondering what to do about the relatively massive list of machinima productions by engine that basically constitutes more than half of the article. My first inclination was to delete it, but some of it could probably in fact be sourced and such, so I'm having second thoughts. At the same time, although I'm pretty sure that my outline for the article that I provided a while back is sound, I wonder if there's some benefit to having a more comprehensive list somewhere. The problem is that, as we see, a lot of games are capable of machinima nowadays, so that list will probably become indiscriminate, if it hasn't crossed that border already.

The Kelland book that I have goes through some of the more prevalent genres of machinima (comedy, drama). That might be a better way to explain examples of notable productions in prose form than the monster list of engines that we have; this would be a "Genres of machinima" section or something like that. We'd still explain some of the more important game engines in the section on production techniques and weave in examples of productions as appropriate, but I think that this is probably a better long-term organization.

The other thing that we could do to preserve the salvageable material is to add a "Notes" column in list of machinima productions. — TKD::Talk 00:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've made a first cut at the genres section. It's probably not comprehensive, but at least it establishes (I hope) a general feeling of what the section should look like. I might add more later if no one beats me to it. I need some sleep first, though; a certain release has kept me entertained all night. — TKD::Talk 13:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * See a short-term solution that I've implemented, along with an extended talk-page rationale, until we can figure out what belongs where. In shotr, it's a massive condensation. I did also delete some analysis, that, although probably true, needs sourcing to avoid original research. — TKD::Talk 05:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for answering
Thanks for responding to the question left on my talk page. By the way, more is in store for the machinima article; I've kind of calmed down after my 2,000+-edit-per-month spree in August and September, partially to help others at WP:HALO push Master Chief (Halo) to FA status and, oh yeah, to finish the fight :-p. — TKD::Talk 15:04, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

ok, this is getting ridiculous...
OK THIS IS ENOUGH! the leet world has been deleted 3 times now. i dont care if it doest express something or other, if it needs fixing, fix it, or tag it differently! DO NOT DELETE IT!!!!! SERIOUSLY, YOU ARE DELETEING PEOPLES TIME AND WORK. if you dont think it portrais something properly, edit it. i put a cleanup tag on the article the other day, so it needed to be cleaned up. it was not a deletion tag. please send me a message on my talk page, because we need to have a serious talk about what you expect from the article and why you deleted it. Thanks for your patience. P.S: next time, try writing a message instaed of using a form message. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledge lover1123 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum
A while ago I asked a question on the Something Awful talk page. I realize that Wikipedia is not a forum, but I can't fathom what might be hurt by my asking a question on the talk page of an article for something that is (let's be honest) pretty irrelevent to the world - a comedy website. The reason I asked my question there is that it is read by people who might presumably have access to the answer to my question, which I do not. So, I get that you deleted my question because it violates a quideline, but it seems a little like you're just exercising a power to feel like you have some power. Anyway, I'm not mad, since this is obviously a pretty mundane situation in the first place, I just wondered if you had an idea of where I could ask a Something awful-related question that doesn't cost 10 bucks to join. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conical Johnson (talk • contribs) 23:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Goldeneye
That team bond thing is getting really aggravating now... must have been 10 times at least that it's been removed. Maybe we should get semi-protection for the page. mattbuck 13:05, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The page has been semi-protected for 2 weeks. mattbuck 12:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh goodie. Now in addition to applying for a PhD, working on a dissertation, a factionwar on Neveronj and playing SimCity, I can revert annoying idiots. Lovely. mattbuck 10:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Velvet Dark
What's wrong with this article? It has links to other pages and after all she is a character in Perfect Dark. Why don't you like the article? Are you a Velvet hater?

I dont know how to sign the page but my user name is Baby Squeal, i created the Velvet Dark article

Fine then drat, delete the article, i cant believe how worried you are about it. What else do you have in life other than moderating an online encyclopedia. Think about it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baby Squeal (talk • contribs) 00:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Uncited Opinions on Graphics?
What do you mean my statement that Duke Nukem 2's graphics were below par for 1993 was an opinion? Why is it that this got removed yet the statement that the graphics were stunning for 1993 (which was complete nonsense) remained for YEARS? If you had looked at the talk page, I presented list of video games that were available in 1993. Anyone with sense could see that the contemporary games I named were enough evidence to prove that the game was very primitive, even fourteen years ago. How old are you? Do you remember the games of the time? The in-game graphics of Duke Nukem 2 looks more like something from 1986 than 1993. For God's sake, Sonic the Hedgehog came out two years before this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Holymolytree2 (talk • contribs)
 * I've moved the above comment over from your userpage for you. Giles Bennett (Talk, Contribs) 22:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * In response to your comments left on my page: Actually the most powerful IBM compatible PCs of 1993 were way ahead of the Super Nintendo and Sega Megadrive consoles in terms of graphical ability. (the Pentium came out in '93). Like I said, certain genres (like platformers) on the PC were lagging way behind consoles of the time. So arcade-style games like platformers and fighting games that were on the PC often looked crap compared to what was on the consoles, but the PC's capabilities were superior, 2D and 3D, as demonstrated by adventure games and 3D simulators. Can a Super Nintendo or a Megadrive run Doom, Strike Commander or Commanche? When the Playstation and Saturn came out, PC games fell behind in graphics. The first graphics accelerators for PC came out in 1995, but games had to be specifically written for each card and it wasn't until these cards became popular (in 1997) and Direct 3D replaced card-specific code that PC games generally displayed superior graphics to the consoles again. Holymolytree2 03:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

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Michael R. Burns
I speedily deleted Michael R. Burns because it met the G12 criterion (blatant copyvio) for speedy deletion. In short, cases where the material is unquestionably copied from another source (and not originally from Wikipedia), there is nothing to revert to or salvageable, and the copyvio was introduced by a single editor all at once can be deleted immediately; db-copyvio exists for tagging these articles. Copyright problems is now reserved for investigating cases that are less obvious. — TKD:: Talk  14:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Kega Fusion and VisualBoyAdvance prod
Hi there

For consistency, you may need to also prod all articles within Category:Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis emulators as well as its parent categories Category:Video game platform emulators. It would be unfair to tag two emulators and allow the others to stay. --tgheretford (talk) 10:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * In fact, just to add, you have prodded probably prodded two of the five major emulators for Windows (one is a major emulator for Linux) so that's why I say for consistency, you may wish to prod the rest if you believe there are problems with these articles. --tgheretford (talk) 10:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to make you aware, I added some references to the article, particularly for the emulators use in a commercial product with third party references. If this still does not satisify your concerns, you may nominate the article for AfD. --tgheretford (talk) 22:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Big Rigs
You're welcome. — TKD:: Talk  03:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

List of machinima productions
I was bold (again) and decided to redo the list of machinima productions such that all columns are sortable, and less emphasis is made on the individual game/engines used (following our discussion a while back about the existence of many different games for machinima nowadays). Let me know what you think. — TKD:: Talk  19:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, and apologies for being a little terse with my last reply; between real-life holidays and a queue of games to play (including BioShock), I myself have been on Wikipedia a little less of late. — TKD:: Talk  19:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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The Quake 2 Tastyspleen Link
Thanks for contributing to the Quake 2 page. It certainly needs a lot of work. I'm just wondering if there's some way we can include a mention to that Tastyspleen.net downloads site, because I'm sure it would be really useful to a lot of Quake 2 players. Granted, it doesn't include every single map/ model but it does include the vast majority of them. And that saves players a lot of hassle instead of downloading all the files individually. Ben 2082 (talk) 04:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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supposed spam in artistic game modification article
Hi Drat,

I'm very new to editing wikipedia content.

Having found that the article stated at the top that it "doesn't cite any references", I took it upon myself to add some.

Admittedly one of these references was to a work of my own. Seeing it was a good example of the kind of work the paragraph sought to describe, I thought nothing wrong of it. The other links I added pointed to work I know that is succinctly in line with the topic. In order to remain compliant should I remove that link to my own work or all of the additions I made?

The links I added do (inevitably) promote the work of those artists but they also serve as concrete references that extend understanding of the topic. It seems too heavy handed to remove them on the grounds they might 'promote' the websites. Any wikipedia link to an external does that and as such it shouldn't form the basis of an argument for removal.

It seems this article has decreased rapidly in size over the last year on the grounds that it became a canvas for 'self-promotion'. Regardless, it was once a page rich with references. I would like, for instance, to see it full of links to work by artists, papers, exhibitions and external texts on the topic. Would such additions also constitute spam or only if one creates a link to their own work/research?

All said, this is Wikipedia, feel free to remove any links you think are non-compliant.

Cheers,

Julian Oliver —Preceding unsigned comment added by Julianoliver (talk • contribs) 15:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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Adding my site to external links
I've added my site into the Battlezone and Battlezone II external links ( www.launchalot.org ) and you keep removing them. I support and help these game and don't know what better example of an external link would be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamealot (talk • contribs) 12:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting that edit to my talk page. I really appreciate it. :) —T-borg (T | C) 02:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm
I thought I was blocked? You cant possibly block an IP now if I dont vandalize anything, can you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.228.8 (talk) 03:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds
Yeah, it was a windows game but it used a DOS based installer, hence it not being 100% compatible with XP. XP's compatabilty mode doesn't work with WOTWs partly because of this. (Bobbo9000 (talk) 02:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC))

Apologies dude, I really should have posted in the discussion section first. As it turns out, I was somewhat out of date with my information anyways, so good call on your part. There appears to be a fix for the some of the DOS related issues.

Yeah, you are right, the majority of the games produced were Windows 'based' (for lack of a better term), essentially no different from the games we install now. But there were a reasonably large number of DOS based versions released (100 000+ but I'm going to want to check that now, just to be sure!) that didn't respond well with XP and it's compatability mode and another issue with some versions of XP only recognising the discs as music CDs. AFAIK, there's either a fix or a nocd patch that eliminates one of the issues but there can still be problems with this version installing and being able to use the ingame music. Either way, I should have talked about it first rather than editing. My bad :) (Bobbo9000 (talk) 04:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC))

A bit confused
Drat, Thank you for the message. I appreciate you taking the time to notify me of the policies, but I am still a bit confused.

I read the guidelines before I began posting anything on Wikipedia, and I have added information to a handful of topics, including the external link you removed/referred me to. I apologize if you didnt find the link valuable, but I have seen many topics that have external links to photo galleries. The photo gallery I submitted was the most comprehensive one I could find. Am I correct that photo galleries are not to be included? Please explain?

Further, what is considered valuable for external links? I don't stand to benefit from the external links I submitted, so I guess I dont really understand why they would be removed.

Thanks in advance for your time. Abraham Abraham411 (talk) 01:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abraham411 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Combo Breaker Considered Trivia?
I noticed that you undid my addition to the Killer Instinct video game article (adding in that it inspired the "C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER" meme) and cited the reason as Trivia. I don't consider it to be particularly trivial, since the only reason I heard about Killer Instinct was by trying to hunt down the origins of the meme. I thought I'd just save others the hassle of hunting around for it by adding it to wikipedia. I'm always seeing things in comment threads and wondering where they came from, but it never seems like the appropriate thing to ask what it means (for fear of being flamed, et cetera), so to my mind wikipedia would be an excellent place for documenting meme histories. Do you disagree? I'd like to hear your opinions on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grimitar (talk • contribs) 19:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

While it is true that YouTube is for the most part unreliable, this links to a video of the game itself wherein the phrase can be heard in the context of the game. I therefore thought it would be relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grimitar (talk • contribs) 13:18, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Interview Links
I agree with you about citing the interview as a source instead of simply adding it as an external link. I am still learning the ways of editing wiki so I am shy about that stuff...teach me the ways. I am going to go back through those interviews I added and start contributing to the page. If you happen to catch any mistakes please point them out so I don't do it again. Thanks again Tmuzzatti (talk) 14:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * UPDATE: I was able to make a few changes to the Jeff Ma page. If you get the chance to take a look at it and see if there are any major mistakes. I am still working on that article and it is my very first so I would appreciate any help you have time for. Tmuzzatti (talk) 21:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Los Angeles Times report on Arby 'n' the Chief
Hey could you see if you feel this qualifies as a good source for it being a notable production, Talk:List of machinima productions. Thanks. Hello32020 (talk) 15:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding my first post on the "Articles for deletion/Clear Skies (machinima)"
Hi,

I would like to apologise for my first post on "Articles for deletion/Clear Skies (machinima)". The things i said where hurtful and very very disrespectful. When it all boils down to it, what i said was pretty stupid really and had no real context.

So again i offer my sincerest apologies, i know you were just upholding the high standards that wikipedia and the public has come to expect from it's editors and you were quoting policies and rules in relation to maintianing that standard for wiki's articals.

I feel like an idiot now, and am wishing i could retract what i said, unfortunatley i can't, but i just hope you understand that i am very, very sorry for my words and that i do have the up most respect for you and what you are doing for wikipedia

My apologies once again

Liam

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Quake II talk deletion
Deleted my "disruptive" comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.93.133 (talk • contribs)

Jamie Hyneman
I did it for the lulz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirseka (talk • contribs) 07:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

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Light Red
Dude, it's totally light red! --NefariousOpus 09:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

"War of the Servers" on List of notable machinima productions
Hi Drat. Could I trouble you to have a look at one of the revisions on the List of machinima productions page? "War of the Servers" was removed at 03:52, 28 August 2008 by 72.86.117.91 for notability reasons. My own Google search on this film turns up what I think are a decent number of hits (>18000), including a reference to the film in Wikipedia's "War of the Worlds" article. But I've not got your experience in weighing notability. When time permits, would you mind reviewing this revision and see if an undo might be warranted? I think the film should be listed, but I want to defer to your experience. FYI, I am not associated with the film in any way.

Zsoverman (talk) 13:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: System Shock 2
Not a problem. Thanks for taking the time to check the article for mistakes. -- Noj r (talk)

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It's not very diffrent
About that revision, it isnt very diffrent because, I looked at it an usauly (acording to wikipedia) it differs signifantly to the revision but there is very little (if any) infomation to differ from. But yeah that's just my opion, like. Though I am trying to edit around doom ports, and many other console ifomation projects. Thanks, mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 18:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo World
Dude seriously, Nintendo World fucking exists, and it's a goddamn famous machinima, don't fucking delete it.--NatBlack (talk) 23:33, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

authorty
i need to know... do u ever think to nkow about the catacombas? i need to know who was able to see the catacombs...government, unathorized everyday tourists, or only authorized personel? this is a question not an answer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.194.39.73 (talk) 18:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Ok thankyou, I will bare it in mind that Doom Clones are not Doom Ports, and will not edit the Doom versions article, and include Doom clones anymore. This has been very heplful. thankyou mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 13:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Duke Nukem 3D
"RM Dark forces. Vlook appeared at least as early as '94 in System Shock, which was true3d. SS and less advanced versions of it's engine used for the Ultima Underworld games " So, by your own admission, most of the "evolutionary" "new" features in DN3D that were "advances" from Doom had appeared in previous games? So the solution is to not mention any of them and only compare DN3D to Doom? Some guy (talk) 09:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You cannot use "IIRC" as a source. Don't claim my edits are wrong without reading the references I provided. If System Shock really doesn't have mouselook, you might want to edit the article about it. Some guy (talk) 11:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Well, goddammit, apparently I misunderstood the System Shock mouse thing (it's just a cursor but not actually looking?). I hope I didn't misunderstand Ultima Underworld as well, although there seems to be plenty of sources confirming it had mouse look. It's going to turn out I was wrong about everything and I'm going to feel very very stupid. In my defense, I'm going off of articles and forum posts which use the word "mouselook", perhaps only referring to horizontal movement. Either way, I apologize. I get carried away. I've been an ass. Some guy (talk) 11:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, I was wrong. I'm really sorry. Thanks for being civil in your reply, which is far more than I deserved. Some guy (talk) 12:13, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

about the RFID myth edit
so sorry for the edit man, should have read the talk page first huhu -_- Kotakkasut (talk) 01:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)