User talk:DrawingLol

A belated welcome!


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Again, welcome! BeywheelzLetItRip (What is it?) 22:55, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Foolish of you to cut and paste
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Draft:Rise Above Movement a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Rise Above Movement. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Requests for history merge. Thank you. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 00:17, 25 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I was unaware on how to properly move it. DrawingLol (talk) 00:48, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Alt-right template
Hello! Please use discretion and restraint when adding the alt-right to articles, especially biographies of living people. Per WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, navigation boxes should contain the article they are placed in, allowing navigation of a well-defined group of articles. Adding the template to any article can create the false perception that someone is firmly associated with the alt-right, and subjects should only be in the navbox if widely associated with the alt-right in reliable sources: thematic overlap or brief interaction with the alt-right are not sufficient for inclusion. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 15:13, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * FYI, I removed the additions that weren't already struck by other editors, pending the outcome of the discussion at Template_talk:Alt-right_footer. You should probably engage in that discussion. Thank you. Rockypedia (talk) 17:30, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Counter-Currents Publishing


A tag has been placed on Counter-Currents Publishing requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company, corporation or organization, but it does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. The king of the sun (talk) 16:18, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't see a whole lot of material about them, other than, e.g., "In the United States, Greg Johnson's online outlet for the North American New Right, Counter-Currents Publishing, has made heavy use of Pound's writings since 2010" (from http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781137396211_2), a mention at https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2014/financing-hate ("In the case of the white nationalist book-selling site Counter-Currents Publishing, the site’s operators reported in December that it had earned nearly $20,000 through its referrals to Amazon."), etc. Smooth alligator (talk) 18:57, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions
Kendall-K1 (talk) 22:01, 25 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Is this an automated message, or are you trying to say something more? Confused. DrawingLol (talk) 22:20, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I was curious too, so I looked it up. It's not really a warning but more of an alert, so that if something happens, you can't say later that you didn't know the sanctions were in place. Smooth alligator (talk) 01:20, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed that it can be vague and confusing, but the template doc says it must be posted as-is, so that's what I did. And yes it serves as a notice so that for example if you violate WP:1RR sanctions could be applied immediately. Kendall-K1 (talk) 01:58, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

October 2017
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Template:Alt-right footer. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Kendall-K1 (talk) 16:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Nomination for deletion of Template:Identitarian Movement
Template:Identitarian Movement has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Edaham (talk) 04:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

It's hard editing these alt-right-related articles and templates, huh?
It's such a politicized topic, and so touchy and highly scrutinized, that it can be hard to make headway. It takes a lot of patience. What makes it worse is that people say that the rules will be more strictly enforced with regard to these topics, yet the rules can often be pretty vague because editors are supposed to "use common sense" (aka ignore all rules). Dealing with templates is the worst of all because there's not a routine practice of citing sources like there is with articles, yet people are apparently expected to follow the same WP:BLP, WP:V, and WP:NPOV rules, so now we're coming up with these ad hoc processes for adjudicating that. It's pretty chaotic. Smooth alligator (talk) 02:23, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Our policies, which you characterize as vague are designed so as to open discussion to any and all editors, some of whom may well have interests which conflict with wikipedia's mission. This is natural and part of the editorial process. These means of generating discussion to arrive at consensus on article content are part of the foundation on which our project is built. None of our policies apply more to one article than another and reminders placed on articles about their contentious nature, or discretionary editing practices are designed to aid discussion, maintain civility and caution against adding content which may infringe policy, not to alter the emphasis of any particular policy related to a specific article. Ignore all rules is not equivalent to saying "don't abide or try to abide by policy". To ignore something without being at fault, means first very carefully understanding what it is you are ignoring. I suggest you make an effort to take in this info and read our guidelines before offering any more advice to editors. Edaham (talk) 16:04, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I wasn't really offering advice as much as, I guess, empathy (i.e. an "If you're getting frustrated, I feel ya man; it can be rough out there").


 * When I say Wikipedia rules can be vague, I mean, for example, how No_original_research is worded: "Appropriate sourcing can be a complicated issue, and these are general rules. Deciding whether primary, secondary or tertiary sources are appropriate in any given instance is a matter of good editorial judgment and common sense". At the end of the day, if other editors decide that an editor isn't exercising good editorial judgment and common sense, they can decide there's a competency issue; but this is subjective. If it were possible to objectively determine what constitutes "good editorial judgment and common sense" it probably would've been written down more precisely in the rules, but it isn't possible, and so therefore determining competency also is a matter of "judgment and common sense".


 * It takes patience to learn what all the unwritten rules are and develop this kind of "common sense" (since common sense is derived from hanging around and absorbing a community's culture and having everyday experiences from which one can eventually figure out the way to do stuff that will get the desired results). Wikipedia values and norms are incredibly complex and can even vary from one part of Wikipedia to another, so it's fairly normal for anyone who edits boldly to make what others regard as a mistake, or run into trouble, etc.


 * The processes aren't perfect, and a lot of times editors are making up the rules as they go along, plus those passing judgments on other editors aren't perfect either, but with patience, it's possible to be successful at improving the encyclopedia. So basically I just came her in the spirit of, "I like that you come here with such high energy; hang in there, keep observing and seeing how stuff works, and figure out ways to work through or around the obstacles to improving the encyclopedia, and you can make it." Smooth alligator (talk) 19:18, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

There's a discussion on renaming the Richard B. Spencer article
I figured out might have some helpful insight into this, since you seem familiar with the alt-right. Judging by what he said in his famous "hail victory" speech, he does almost seem white supremacist, but some say it would be better to call him white nationalist. Smooth alligator (talk) 23:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Richard Spencer claims to be a member of the identitarian movement and an ethnopluralist, not a white supremacist. Whether he is simply saying that to cover up his true beliefs, or not, I don't know. However, he is definitely not allergic to associate with some pretty unsavory people... (See the people headlining the Unite the Right rally for a good example) I'm going to stay neutral in this, as I simply don't know his heart, but it's pretty suspect to me. Spencer being widely called that shouldn't be whitewashed in the article however, as a lot of the opposing side is saying. Thanks for asking. DrawingLol (talk) 00:07, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Brittany Pettibone


The article Brittany Pettibone has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Brittany Pettibone


A tag has been placed on Brittany Pettibone, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion,. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discusion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Southern nationalism sidebar
Template:Southern nationalism sidebar has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 03:58, 31 October 2017 (UTC)