User talk:Dream out loud/Archive 9

Guelph Transit
Sorry I forgot to attach it to the Guelph Transit page. If theres anymore Info you want for the roster listing let me know. I did attach it and its all real info and the 2 bottom photos are mine (181 and 221) I took 221 yesterday and 181 in the summer. I am working on the mobility roster too. P.S I hope i got the messaging right (talk) 09:42, 5 October 2010

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Sokoband refs
Thanks for adding that - don't know how I missed the Allmusic article on a search. The band's own website ain't a great ref though - be good to locate more 3rd party ones if possible? AllyD (talk) 07:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The band's Allmusic article was until their old name, "Soko". That's why you missed it.  The band's own site is just a "temporary" reference.  This page on the band's site has some third-party links.  Some are unreliable sources like blogs, but there's also reviews by Relix and radio station WLUR-FM.  I'm sure there are many other third-party links, I just haven't looked much yet. – Dream out loud  (talk) 14:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

A1 and A3
You really need to be a lot more careful with those criteria. Db-nocontent is for articles that have absolutely nothing. For example, if I were to create an article on myself (other issues, like my unambiguous lack of notability, aside) and the entire content was something like "Harry Mitchell", that would be a good A3 candidate. A1 is for articles that leave you thinking "what the f*ck is this about". "Harry Mitchell is great" (while obviously true ;) ) would be begging for an A1 tag. If you can deduce from titles, infoboxes, categories or anything else, what the subject is, it's not eligible under A1 or A3, though that doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't meet other criteria. Also, in cases like these Commonwealth Games event articles, consider whether there's something other than deletion (for example, redirecting, as I've done) that would solve the problem. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:26, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

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Pulaski Skyway FAR
Hi Dream out loud - Would you mind revisiting WP:Featured article review/Pulaski Skyway/archive1 and checking to see if your concerns have been resolved and then making either a keep or delist declaration in the FARC section? Thank you, Dana boomer (talk) 13:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

U2 Live at Red Rocks - FA nomination?
Do you think it's time to nominate U2 Live at Red Rocks: Under a Blood Red Sky as a Featured Article? I think we've pretty much done everything we can for that article and there's not much more improvement that can be made. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 20:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's almost there, but getting articles to FA-class is becoming more and more tough nowadays. I mean, if there is one flaw with the article, it will get shot down (see FA noms for U2 3D, Achtung Baby, and Slug).  I think we should do a peer review and a copy edit before doing anything else.  I ran the peer review script and here is the following output I got:
 * Suggestions generated by an automatic JavaScript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
 * Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at Lead. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.[?]
 * Please make the spelling of English words consistent with either American or British spelling, depending upon the subject of the article. Examples include: organize (A) (British: organise), realize (A) (British: realise), criticize (A) (British: criticise), traveled (A) (British: travelled),  grey (B) (American:  gray), kerb (B) (American: curb), programme (B) (American: program ).
 * The script has spotted the following contractions: Can't, if these are outside of quotations, they should be expanded.
 * Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.[?]
 * You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas.
 * – Dream out loud (talk) 22:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

That output seems pretty standard. The lead looks to be perfectly appropriate for an article of the length we have. I can't find any discrepancies in British/American English (the bot merely auto-detects which variation is primarily used and then "warns" you). The contraction is part of an album title. And the last suggestion is also pretty standard. I've copyedited the article several times and I can't find any glaring issues with it. I'm not sure a peer review would be of much benefit, but if you think that we should, then you can request one. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 00:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the Sarajevo concert article is pretty close too. And if anyone wants to nominate Slug for a second FAC, I certainly won't object; I think it deserves it. It might be easier to defend with two or more users as opposed to just one. Melicans (talk, contributions) 02:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. Good catches on some American English variations, Dream out loud. For whatever reason, my "find" feature in Firefox neglected to catch any of those words when I searched for them... There's still a bit more research I wanna do for the Sarajevo article, but I agree, that's pretty close in the pecking order. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 04:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Wide Awake in Europe
-- Cirt (talk) 06:06, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

"Slug"
Within the next few days I intend to nominate "Slug" at FAC for a second time. I would appreciate any feedback/comments/etc. that you might be able to provide given the trouble it went through on the last occasion. Melicans (talk, contributions) 18:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have nominated the article at FAC. Melicans (talk, contributions) 22:27, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This is exactly the reason I was hesitant to go for it again. If there's anything you provide which might change Kirk's mind... please do. Melicans (talk, contributions) 20:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Your edits to Template:City Hall (IRT Lexington Avenue Line)
I see that you altered several icons, which you said were obsolete.

As the template now stands, it portrays four flat crossovers between the north–south and east–west tracks. In fact, the east–west tracks tunnel underneath the north–south ones. Are you saying that we no longer have icons capable of portraying it that way? Marc Shepherd (talk) 21:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Those icons have been rendered obsolete as "there are no bridges below surface", according to the image's description page. I replaced it with the new icon, as it says to do so on the page.  The category page says to avoid using any of those icons.  I'm guessing it will probably be deleted soon now that it is no longer used in any templates. – Dream out loud  (talk) 22:37, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

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Do you have access to old newspaper/magazine articles?
I'm trying to access some old reviews of U2 albums from the early 80s, but the information is rather difficult to come by without archival access (e.g. Washington Post, LA Times, etc). And @U2's archives from these years is limited. Do you have any access to archives that might have these sorts of articles? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 20:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I have access to tons of archives. Let me know what you're looking for specifically, and I can email it to you directly.  Everything I have access to can be found here. – Dream out loud  (talk) 21:57, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I never thanked you for sending me those articles - I appreciate it. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 16:38, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I didn't get a chance to send you all the ones I wanted to, but I'll try and find some time to do that soon. – Dream out loud  (talk) 18:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

R Construction Alert
I have posted a warning at Meetup/NYC/Wikipedia_Day about the subway construction this weekend. While I'm not going, please attempt to notify as many users as possible about this. Thanks! &mdash; Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 01:43, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for letting me know. I didn't even think to check service advisories. – Dream out loud  (talk) 01:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I would make a habit out of it, there are service advisories on many, if not all, of the weekends between New Year's and Thanksgiving (and some small ones during the holidays). http://www.subwayweekender.com will help, but check the MTA site for last-minute updates. &mdash; Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 02:22, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Lightning Talk on 5 Rules at the NYC Meetup for Wiki X
I enjoyed your Lightning Talk on "5 Rules to Live By" at the WP:Meetup/NYC! Is there a location where all of the Lightning Talks have been (or will be) archived? If not, can you make the link to your talk available to me? I also appreciate your comment about | WebCite during the talk on newspaper archives. I'll get plenty of use out of this one because I make plenty of ref citations on the WP. DutchTreat (talk) 22:40, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Please take the time to read the guideline carefully
I wish that you not attack my motives, and simply read the guideline carefully. Determining whether an article gets a song has a simple process, per WP:NSONGS:


 * First test: All articles on albums, singles or songs must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.

I agree that the article we are arguing pass the first test.


 * Second test: Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable.


 * Third test: a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album.

I'll agree that the articles in question pass the third test, but they failed the second. It doesn't matter how detailed of an article can be written if it shouldn't have been written at all.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:47, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know where you got "test" from. These are not tests to determine whether or not an article is notable.  There are merely guidelines that may make an article notable, but it does not need to fulfill all the above.  It does not state that an article must have won an award, been on a chart, or been covered by another artists.  It simply says that songs that have had one of those things are probably notable.  There are no exclusions here and there is no fine line as to what is or isn't notable. – Dream out loud  (talk) 02:53, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * So your objection is basically that you don't care whether a song meets WP:NSONGS? You would keep articles that don't meet the relevant guidelines?&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No, that is not what I said at all. Stop being ignorant.  I said that is is not failing any guidelines.  There is nothing in WP:NSONGS that makes this article not notable.  I am sick of repeating myself.  Do I want articles around that don't meet guidelines?  No.  Is this one of them?  No.  Take the issue over to WikiProject Music.  I am not repeating myself anymore. – Dream out loud  (talk) 03:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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Re: U2 3D date changes
Reverted the changes in question - my bad, should have noticed US production aspect and therefore will assume WP:DATERET rather than WP:STRONGNAT in this case. Dl2000 (talk) 20:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Your involvement in U2 3D FAC
An editor is querying about your involvement in the U2 3D FAC at the moment. Over the weekend, several constructive criticisms were made of the article, most of which I've tried to address, but nonetheless, it is being asked where you, as the nominator, are to address these concerns directly. Just thought you should know, since the FAC is probably wrapping up soon and the article is close to being promoted, if not for this most recent "oppose". Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 20:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Hide length
Hey there. I was looking at the achieves, and saw that you brought up an idea for a hide length option, and I was just wondering if anything came of that. If not, I think it should really be brought up. It could come in great use. ℥nding · start 20:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No nothing came of it from what you see in the post. I started a discussion of adding a new feature and it turned into a discussion of whether or not the template should be blocked. It was a total violation of WP:POINT since they other editors were trying to tell me I should have never edited the template in the first place, as opposed to discussing the feature I proposed.  I got frustrated and gave up, especially since the few people who contributed to the discussed seemed to be against the idea anyway.  I'm glad someone else thinks it would be a good idea, so I say go ahead and bring it up again. – Dream out loud  (talk) 21:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

FAR notifications
Hi Dream out loud - Last year, the FAR process instituted a new first step. This requires editors to notify in advance the talk page of the article they are planning to nominate for review. Because this wasn't done on your recent nomination of Blade Runner, I have removed the review from the FAR page, hidden the banner on the article talk page, and placed a notification on the article talk page. If there is no work done on the article in the next week or two, please feel free to reverse my actions, or ping me and I will do so. Thank you, and please let me know if you have any questions. Dana boomer (talk) 12:45, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Laserblast
So I was thinking the E.T. stuff in Laserblast -- the info about it inspiring Carlo Rambaldi's design, and the lawsuit -- perhaps should be mentioned in the lede of the article. What do you think? Also, have you found any other source besides this Band interview saying that E.T. was inspired by Laserblast? Because if not, I'm thinking perhaps we should put attribute this directly to Band in the prose; something like, "Band said the stop motion alien characters inspired animator Carlo Rambaldi's design..." etc. etc. Band could be wrong on this one, or he could be right, but if it's attributed to him directly in the prose, that will allow the reader to interpret it themselves and draw their own conclusions. Thoughts? —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  04:37, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * My rule of thumb is that information should only be included in the lead if it is further elaborated upon later in the article. As far as the film inspiring Rambaldi's design (and a following lawsuit), there isn't too much else said about it in the article.  It's basically covered in three sentences: the film inspired E.T., there was a lawsuit, the lawsuit was dropped.  So unless more information can be found about it, I'd leave it out of the lead for now.  I haven't been able to find another source about it anywhere, but I'd like to find some other information.  (That Italian magazine article Band mentioned would be nice, but I wouldn't even know where to start if I wanted to find something like that.) – Dream out loud  (talk) 22:05, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Lisi Binarë
Actually, it was going the other way - INTO Albanian. It's a copy of Binary Tree. I've userfied it. Peridon (talk) 23:10, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I had no idea. I wouldn't have guessed that since it was in article namespace. – Dream out loud  (talk) 23:57, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Elementary School Musical


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Shava (band)
OK I'll add some references... Probabilitydragon (talk) 22:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Done, I'll remove the references tag. Please see the talk page of the article for further arguments against deletion. Probabilitydragon (talk) 23:13, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Curt-Eric Holmquist
Hi again I've put more sources of infomation in Curt-Eric Holmquist page. User:Mrluke485 (talk) 20:45, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The article needs to have reliable sources in order to remain on Wikipedia. Examples include news articles, magazine articles, books, etc.  Sites like Discogs or blogs are not reliable sources, neither is citing another Wikipedia site.  Please see WP:RS for more information. – Dream out loud  (talk) 19:47, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help I'll look into it. Mrluke485 (talk) 20:57, 24 April 2011 (UTC).

I've put some different sources of info in from websites. could you possibly check to see if the sources are right and thanks for the help I do appreciate it. Mrluke485 (talk) 21:41, 24 April 2011 (UTC).

August Heckscher II
Your post on August Heckscher II intrigues me since he died in 1997. I have added a link to his NYTimes obit. Might you be so kind as to remove your tag? Ijmusic (talk) 22:59, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Elementary School Musical
Hi. I noticed you moved Articles for deletion/Elementary School Musical to Articles for deletion/Elementary School Musical (South Park) and requested speedy deletion of the redirect, and I really don't understand why. Whatever has happened to the related article since, that page is an archived AfD discussion from 2008, and we do not alter or move archived old discussions (for one thing, such an action would lose the discussion from the daily log at Articles for deletion/Log/2008 November 14). Or am I missing something here? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:30, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I proposed it be moved because the page itself was moved and replaced with another page that also had an AfD. So Articles for deletion/Elementary School Musical and Articles for deletion/Elementary School Musical (2nd nomination) are actually for two different articles.  The former is for the South Park episode and the latter is for the disambiguation page.  So technically, it's the only first nomination for the disambiguation page, not the second.  The way it is now just creates confusion for archives.  But if you just want to leave it the way it is and confuse other editors in the future, I guess it's fine the way it is. – Dream out loud  (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. Many articles get moved, merged, deleted, recreated, etc in the months and years following an AfD, and we don't keep rewriting history to match - anyone wanting to revisit an old AfD would always need to go to the article revision history and extract the version from the appropriate time anyway. Best regards -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:13, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Blade Runner FAR
Hi Dream out Loud - Would you mind checking in on Blade Runner to see if your concerns that prompted a FAR have been addressed? It would be much appreciated! If the issues have not been addressed, please feel free to re-initiate the review, and I will note on the FAR page that it has been given the go-ahead. If your concerns have been addressed, let me know and I will delete the FAR page. Thank you, and please let me know if you have any questions. Dana boomer (talk) 01:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems that most of my concerns have not been addressed, so I've restarted the FAR. Place any further comments about the article on that page. – Dream out loud  (talk) 18:19, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

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Your message on Vaoverland's talk page
Regarding this message you left for User:Vaoverland: you are aware that he is deceased and most likely won't be able to add any source info to the description of that file, right? –BMRR (talk) 21:53, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I realized that afterward. The message was automatically put there after I clicked the "No source" link on the sidebar. – Dream out loud  (talk) 22:15, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

13th Street/Juniper (SEPTA station)
If you want evidence of the former name of 13th Street (SEPTA station) for the Subway-Surface Trolley Lines, ask User:Train2104. He's the one who said the name was changed. DanTD (talk) 00:24, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Re:Golden Nugget changes
I just made the changes based on the new naming of the Wikipedia article. I am sure the signage will change in the future anyway, so its no big deal what our article says.  Dough 48  72  02:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I suppose we can fix the exit list when signs are changed.  Dough 48  72  03:54, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

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SEPTA Regional Rail
Just so you know, an editor has undone all your edits at SEPTA Regional Rail. As far as I'm concerned, your edits were quite appropriate, as they're were far too extensive quotes being used for shock value and, frankly, soapboxing.

It's been difficult to maintain NPOV there, as there seems to be a small group that's intent on using it to knock the agency. (At least I think it's a group. May be some SPAs here.) I do know that at least one of them is abusive, having vandalized my user page (while logged out), and putting a level four vandalism warning on my talk page. (His ridiculous response to the ANI case I filed was funny as hell.) So, in short, revert away. I would, by the next thing you know they'll accuse me of using SPAs (which would be ridiculously rich). oknazevad (talk) 21:57, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It looks like you already took care reverting, so you saved me the trouble. I just hope we don't get into an edit war here.  I'm not familiar with the editor who made the edits, but I find it interesting that they didn't edit for almost three months, then came back and have only really made edits to the SEPTA Regional Rail article.  I'll have to keep on the look out for any issues that may arise. – Dream out loud  (talk) 04:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

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Angry Video Game Nerd film
I think you did a mistake, as this movie and all of the information on the article has been confirmed. Have a nice day, sir. --Luka1184 (talk) 10:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC
 * Nope, no mistake made sir. – Dream out loud (talk) 17:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)