User talk:DriedGrape/Archive 1

January 2021
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Sorry about that
Hey, just wanted to give a quick apology for my extremely over-hasty reversion on Asala. I made the fatal mistake of assuming that because you reverted ClueBotNG, it MUST be vandalism. I really, REALLY should know better than that. Though, in my (admittedly small) defense, I was on the verge of changing it back when you did so yourself. Thegreatluigi (talk) 14:40, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

It's alright. -DriedGrape

March 2021
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 * Regarding Lake Van: I have reverted your edit as a matter of accuracy. According to the article on Armenian Highlands, the region (which has no other alternate names listed in the intro that don't include "Armenian") includes areas in Turkey and other countries. By contrast, the Eastern Anatolia Region is a region of Turkey. (If Lake Van is the largest lake in Turkey, and if we know it is in Eastern Anatolia, then by logical extension it's the largest lake in the region.)
 * Please engage in discussion on the talk page and get consensus before changing this information. —C.Fred (talk) 18:04, 1 March 2021‎ (UTC)

Then, my edit was not inaccurate was it? Considering the Eastern Anatolia Region ALSO includes Lake Van, therefore they can both be used within the article and be factually correct, with the Eastern Anatolia Region being more accurate as the lake itself is IN Turkey. I will be adding in "and the Eastern Anatolia Region" to the description since it is also the largest lake in the Eastern Anatolia Region.


 * I have restructured the sentence to go from smallest region to largest: the Eastern Anatolia Region (a subdivision of turkey), Turkey, and the Armenian Highlands. —C.Fred (talk) 20:20, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

You put it in the wrong order. Turkey has a area of about 780.000 km^2.


 * The Eastern Anatolia Region, at 165,436 sq km, is smaller. —C.Fred (talk) 21:02, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

I was talking about Turkey being the largest of all of them.


 * True, in terms of raw area: the Armenian Highlands are 400,000 sq km. However, the Armenian Highlands span multiple countries, so the order of region of country, country, multi-country region makes sense. It's the largest not just in Turkey but also in the AH of any of the countries that it spans. —C.Fred (talk) 22:15, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

May 2021
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Sanctioned (DriedGrape)

 * Moved from my talk page El_C 06:01, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi.

I have just noticed I been sanctioned (diff) and I'd like to make my case to you before re-gaining trust to make an appeal.

I have noticed the editor who I accused of disruptive reverting also made a section on your talk page and I'd like to explain myself regarding the accusations against me. First off, the reversion in questions were done due to removal of content that was done without any attempt at a discussion at the talk page of said articles. While BRD was claimed for the reason behind the reversion, no attempt at reaching a consensus was given, only after a discussion section which I started, had replies which held no weight in support of edits I reverted. The very first incident was on removal of information from a stable version of the article due to WP:VAGUE, after editing the section to appeal to the complaints (diff), showing good faith. Funnily enough, I was only reverting disruptive edits, which were done without waiting for a discussion.

The second and third incidents, happened after the editor reverted my recent edits on certain articles which were cited, or were factual fixing and were not contested. Again, a BRD was called in the edit reason but no attempt at discussion was actually made. Therefore, again, it was just a disruptive edit disguised as call for BRD. I had more than enough reason to assume this was just vandalism and as such tried to keep the article in good shape, even then, I attempted discussion and always gave extensive reasoning for my reverts. This is far from edit warring.

I am trying to refrain from turning this message into WP:NOTTHEM, however, I believe you are misinformed in what happened and I urge you to at least briefly look over the history. Either way, I hope you will heed my concerns. Take care. DriedGrape (talk) 05:47, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * You seem to know quite a bit about Wikipedia sanctions regime, like citing NOTTHEM, so I expect you also to know about WP:DR and the specific WP:DRRs that are available when at an impasse, as opposed to just continuing to revert. Also, your latest article talk page comments are very recent (today's), so more time should have been extended by you for replies, in any event. El_C 06:01, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You're right. I probably was quite hasty regarding discussion. However, the initial reverts which I re-reverted being done without any prior attempts at discussion, along with poor explanations behind said reverts led me to believe they were in bad faith or vandalism. Which is why I requested the protection for ASALA in the first place. I am always willing to assume good faith, and I often do but I had reason to believe this wasn't the case. However, I can see, I was sloppy in these incidents and I will definitely be more aware next time. Thank you. DriedGrape (talk) 06:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, but next time for this topic area will be in a while, I suppose is the bottom line. Also, would you like me to redact your IP from when you just accidentally posted while logged out? El_C 06:11, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks. DriedGrape (talk) 06:14, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 06:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

October 2021
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you do not violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Khirurg (talk) 01:47, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Lake Van. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

AE block
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AE block 2
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Hello El_C or whoever is reviewing my appeal. If you were to check my edit history and the edits themselves, you would see they are not subject to my arbitration block. I have been updating population info on the provinces of Turkey going alphabetically and fixing minor mistakes, grammar or structural oddities:, , , ,. During my works, I have done a minor restructering on the Ağrı Province to combine relevant paragraphs in the lead while updating the population info, specifically the first lead paragraph with the last, latter of which included general info like the provincial capital, and the current governer: It was a minor edit and did not in any way change the meaning of the article.

I have just now saw what I was also accused of, the Azeri name I have added on Kars was already existent in the stable version and was recently mistakenly removed by another editor: as I mentioned in the edit reason. Which while probably was a honest mistake on the other editors part, would be vandalism, correcting of which is within WP:BANEX. I have simply added it back:. And like I said, I did not remove any info relating to Armenia on Ağrı but rather combined the relevant paragraphs together, as the editor who reported me has admitted in your talk page later as a reply. I do not think that is in any way a violation of my sanction. It didn't even cross my mind at the time and I was pretty appalled when I saw I was blocked. I hope you reconsider and let me get back to it. Thanks. DriedGrape (talk) 02:10, 8 December 2021 (UTC)


 * DriedGrape, you decide. I'd rather not do this for you. They are not the same. AE is structured and you'd have to format it according to Arbitration enforcement appeal, which I'd expect you to draft here, then I'd copy it to the noticeboard. By contrast, AN is freeflowing, so I could just copy your above request with immediate effect.


 * But I think it'd be a waste of time because it's a poor unblock request. I say this since I was quite clear in the TBAN notice that this sanction goes wide (i.e. major, minor, whatever), even linking to WP:BROADLY at the end. Secondly, the argument that WP:BANEX applies on the basis of you having thought the edit in question was vandalism... it's a stretch. And there's more than one problematic edit anyway. Had you taken it to WP:AIV, I sort of doubt an admin would have acted on it as vandalism.


 * But you do as you will. If you still wanna go through with it, let me know which of those two venues you prefer. El_C 13:49, 8 December 2021 (UTC)


 * You can take it straight to AN, I do not have much else to add and I believe I have made myself clear already. I would argue my edits are not even WP:BROADLY either. And removal of content without reason, is exactly what vandalism would be. Again, as tbe user has stated in their reason, they meant to remove a duplicate but accidentally removed both. This and moving a paragraph one line down constituting a two week block is the stretch in my eyes. DriedGrape (talk) 16:37, 8 December 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅. See Administrators%27_noticeboard. El_C 03:16, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

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