User talk:Drm310/Archive 14

Reply to your message to me
DavidAllen,TheBMJ (talk) 17:11, 8 December 2017 (UTC) I updated 2 pages, and created 2 new pages for people at BMJ Publishing yesterday. I did this as part of my employment. At your suggestion I have added a CoI statement to my User page. The pages in question are: Dr Fiona Godlee (pre-existing page) Dr Kamran Abbasi (pre-existing page) Dr Theodora Bloom (new page) THIS IS THE PAGE YOU SLATED FOR EARLY DELETION Peter Ashman (new page)

I see that the entry for Dr Bloom was rejected for plagiarism. I checked the page in question, which I have never seen before and it different in quite a few respects from my own wording--BUT, seeing as they are both biographies of the same person, it would be natural for them to be very similar. I hope that this page can be reinstated.

Best,

David Allen

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Thanos Hotels
Thanks for your message. Yes I am a paid employee of Thanos Hotels and was requested to load this article on Wikipedia by a colleague. Sorry but I can't figure out how to declare this interest, although I would like to. The page you directed me to has a list of templates but none of them are clickable. And the list of templates all mention ACME, what does this stand for? I do apologise but it's my first time trying to upload content on Wikipedia, and it's a bit confusing. Thanks for reviewing the article as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frances Higgins (talk • contribs) 12:49, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


 * ACME is just an example to illustrate how to use the template. I've placed the template on your user page, User:Frances Higgins. You can make changes to it as you see fit.
 * I didn't review the article and it looks like it was deleted by an administrator. Before making any further edits, I suggest that you review these two pages:
 * Plain and simple conflict of interest guide
 * FAQ/Organizations
 * In a nutshell, we discourage people from writing about subjects where they have a personal or professional affiliation. It's not prohibited outright, but we highly discourage it due to the inherent difficulty in adhering to the required neutral point of view and policy against promotion or publicity.
 * In order for an article to be accepted here, it must be a paraphrased summary of previously published material that comes from reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Company-authored material can be used for basic facts only (e.g. date of establishment, number of employees, etc.), but other things such as press releases or interviews with company officials are not considered reliable as they lack the necessary independence. The subject must also meet Wikipedia's notability criteria, as mere existence doesn't mean that the subject is notable enough for inclusion.
 * If an article about your company is accepted, please note that the company has no right of ownership or editorial control over its content. Articles can be edited by anyone, and can change substantially over time. Consensus is Wikipedia's fundamental model for editorial decision making, and is marked by addressing legitimate concerns held by editors through a process of compromise while following Wikipedia policies.
 * Lastly, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:
 * Add four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment; or
 * With the cursor positioned at the end of your comment, click on the signature button (Insert-signature.png or Signature icon.png) located above the edit window.
 * This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is necessary to allow other editors to easily see who wrote what and when. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Reply to message on Evieshofur usertalk
I've disclosed my employment status with GOGO Charters. Would it be possible for one of the editors to restore the GOGO Charters / Gogo Charters page?

Evieshofur (talk) 20:20, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The page was deleted as the result of the discussion at Articles for deletion/Gogo Charters. It appears that the consensus was that the company is not notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia, and that it was written in a way that was overly promotional.
 * Please be aware that Wikipedia is not a business directory, and not every company will or should have an article here. A company doesn't get to have an article on Wikipedia simply because it wants one. Notability (organizations and companies) describes the criteria that determines whether a company is deserving of a standalone article.
 * Articles about any topic consist of paraphrased summaries of previously published material, written by writers from reliable sources that are independent of the topic. They must also be written from a neutral point of view, as if written by a third party with no interest in how the topic is portrayed.
 * Which leads to the next point, that being conflict of interest. Since you are not a disinterested third party, you have an inherent bias towards the topic of this company. That is why we discourage (but don't prohibit) persons with a personal or professional affiliation with the topic from writing about it. Even a well-intentioned editor will find it difficult to write objectively and use information from independent sources.
 * If you still disagree with the deletion of your article, you could try discussing the matter with, the editor who closed the deletion discussion. If you are still not satisfied, then you can try Deletion review. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:09, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Response to Managing a conflict of interest
Hello Drm310

In response to your comments on my user talk:


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stevepiercy#November_2017
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stevepiercy#Managing_a_conflict_of_interest

I certify that I have no conflict of interest for any page I edit.

I further certify that I am not paid for any contribution to any page I edit.

Stevepiercy (talk) 06:55, 20 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I will accept your word that you're not being paid, I'm not entirely convinced you have no conflict of interest. There is off-wiki evidence to suggest you have some involvement with the Pylons project. Wikipedia's policy on WP:OUTING forbids me from posting a link, but it's not difficult to find from a simple search. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:16, 20 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The Pylons Project is a loose collective of developers of free and open source software. I am one of hundreds of contributors to its projects and I use the software that the collective creates.

Now Drm310, if that constitutes a COI, then your involvement with Wikipedia would also be a COI. Not only that, but every developer of free and open source software who has contributed anything on Wikipedia on behalf of the open source software that they use or to which they contribute should have all their posts removed from Wikipedia for similar COIs. This is a slippery slope. Stevepiercy (talk) 16:43, 20 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I will cite the example from Wikipedia_talk:Conflict_of_interest/Archive_20. Saying "I contribute to the Pylons project in a volunteer capacity" on your user page is a simple but clear statement of your involvement, as you're not a disinterested third party with that topic. You will note that on my user page, I have disclosed my employer, should I choose to write about a topic with some connection to it. If I were involved with an organization in a volunteer capacity and created/edited an article about it, I would be obligated to disclose that too.


 * Note that COI editors are not prohibited from contributing. Therefore your statement that "every developer of free and open source software who has contributed anything on Wikipedia on behalf of the open source software that they use or to which they contribute should have all their posts removed from Wikipedia" is not correct. But developers should be transparent about any connections to a topic they write about here. Doing so shows other editors that you are acting in good faith, and you will find they will be more willing to help. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 05:11, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I give up. Done. What other hoops do I have to jump through?

lack of objectivity of JZG on biography of Maximiliano Korstanje
JZG is not doing his job as editor helping me editing a biography, he is callous, and very nasty, a mere vandal who frustrated liked to be an academicians, I am an academician, and his observations, respecting what is Vannity Press rests on shaky foundations. One ona hand, Cambridge Scholar publishing is a publisher founded by former direcors and professors from Cambridge U, this is not vanity PRess. On another, IGI global is based on Clarivate Web of Science, but of course, since he is not a real academician he destroys what I write without any rational basis. I need you or other editor helps. David

Wikipedia is in decline because of editor like him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockdavid1999 (talk • contribs)


 * Next time follow the proper dispute resolution process instead of resorting to block evasion. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 18:07, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

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Regarding 4 musics edits
I comply that the edits done by me are not by any means of paid editing. Frizel Francis 11:36, 5 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frizel Francis (talk • contribs)


 * There is off-wiki evidence that suggests you work for a company that has 4Musics as a client. Please do not write about any of your company's clients without making the mandatory disclosure per WP:PAID. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 11:49, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Re recent advice form both of us
As mentioned, I wrote out some advice, and didn't want to simply abandon even though I saw that you had responded. After reading both sets of advice, it is possible that the editor will come away with the feeling that we've provided conflicting advice. I don't think that's the case, but I'd like to have a brief conversation so we can make sure we are on the same page.

We have evolving standards regarding editors who have a conflict of interest or who are paid editors. I think it's fair to say that a paid editor is a special case of the conflict of interest editor. We have some requirements applying to both with some more significant requirements applicable to paid editors.

I initially viewed Jscott482 as a COI editor. I'm rethinking that. I picked up on the editor's connection to the organization and it is my belief that an individual can be employed by an organization, make edits about that organization but not necessarily be treated as a paid editor. (Happy to discuss if you disagree.) However, I think that's a moot point, after picking up on this editor's position with the organization. Given their position, I think there's no question that they qualify as a paid editor.

There are disclosure requirements applicable to both the COI editors and paid editors but they are not exactly the same.

My understanding is that a COI editor does not have to openly declare the conflict of interest on the user page (of course, they can, but I don't believe it's required). They must, however, declare their COI "when involved with affected articles". It is my opinion that if you post on the article talk page and request a COI edit be made that this would constitute disclosure. I don't think you have to separately explain that you have a COI. I don't believe we fully prohibit direct editing, but we do say it is " strongly discouraged ". Frankly, I'm not quite sure what that means. Are there examples of edits that are permitted? Does this simply mean that it is not a blockable offense? If we have some explication of this distinction I haven't seen it.

In contrast, a paid editor must disclose certain information on the user page as well as the relevant talk pages. The admonition against direct editing is somewhat stronger stating that "you are very strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly". As above, I'm not sure what this means in practice.

My main concern is that your second numbered item starts "after you make this disclosure, you are allowed to edit the article". You follow that up with a caveat that it is highly discouraged, but at the risk of over parsing, I'm mildly concerned that the editor might jump on the first sentence and not take the subsequent sentence on board.

I'll emphasize that my concern, and part of the reason I'm taking the time to write this, isn't the advice you are giving, but my concern that our general advice is not as clear as it could be.

What on earth does it mean to say you are permitted to edit but very strongly discouraged from editing? One possible interpretation is that you absolutely should not do it but the only repercussions will be reversion, not something more serious like being blocked. Another interpretation is that if the edit is sufficiently benign (correcting a misspelling, updating the name of an officeholder, or something similar) than it is permitted without posting a COI request, but unless advice has been written in a place I haven't seen we don't make this clear.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  16:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I think the rules about paid editing are pretty clear, in that you are prohibited outright from editing a topic where you being compensated do to so, without declaration. I've seen plenty of clear-cut cases of undisclosed paid editors who were blocked because they continued to edit a topic after being asked to disclose their employment, but they refused to do so.


 * I agree that the rules around general COI/disclosed paid editing are very wishy-washy; they're more strong suggestions than hard and fast rules. In essence they say "you can, but you really, really shouldn't!" Somewhere in WP:DCOI is the suggestion that one should use request edit for "significant or potentially controversial changes"; however that's a pretty subjective statement. There's also the section WP:COIU which seems to give a pass to "unambiguously uncontroversial edits", and it's a bit better by providing specific examples of what it defines as uncontroversial. Both are scattered amongst the COI page and isn't helpful for a COI editor who's trying to figure out what they should do.


 * I'll admit that I could have done a better job of explaining it to her, so I will be more mindful of what I'm saying in the future. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 23:00, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * My main point wasn't to outright or even indirectly challenge your advice. In fact I was prompted to write because I think both of us have read the relevant guidelines, and both of us gays some advice that was drawn from those guidelines yet on the surface we seem to be saying different things. So I agree with your point that the rules are "very wishy-washy" which can lead to the situation where apparently different advice can be gleaned from the same set of guidelines. This isn't terribly surprising — any large set of guidelines created by multiple people at different times and in different places and without strong coordination are almost certain to contain inconsistencies. I don't have the energy at the time to sort out how to take them up, but we may have to do so in the future. Again agreeing with your observation that one summarization of the rules is "you can, but you really really shouldn't!" is the type of guideline that begs for cleanup. Okay, you shouldn't most times but you can sometimes, so which times, under which circumstances? A project for another day.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  23:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Re Regarding COI
Hi @Drm310 i need some clarification on reflecting COI in my talk page.
 * Will COI reflect publically in the article i create
 * DO i need to mention CO! in my own talk page or article talkpage?
 * Will it affect any other editing
 * Will it blacklist my username

Need your help as iam new to wiki edits and guidelines(please do simplify them instead of sharing links) Thank you

Frizel Francis 11:58, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


 * There are two scenarios of COI editing. What you would do depends on which scenario applies:
 * Someone is paying you (directly or indirectly) to write about them
 * You are not being paid, but you still have some personal or professional involvement with the topic


 * Scenario 1
 * This qualifies as paid editing. Disclosure of receiving payments, who is paying you and what articles you are editing in exchange for payment is mandatory.
 * You must place the paid template on your userpage, User:Frizel Francis. This is how you would write it (but replace "Employer you work for" with the actual name of the company you work for, and "Article you're editing" with the name of the article you're editing):
 * Also on the article talk page, you would place the following:
 * Also on the article talk page, you would place the following:


 * Scenario 2
 * This is a general COI where you not being paid but have some involvement with the topic. Disclosure is not mandatory, but it is highly recommended as a sign of good faith.
 * You should place this code on your userpage:
 * Also on on the article talk page, you would place the following:
 * Also on on the article talk page, you would place the following:


 * Either scenario 1 or 2
 * If you propose significant or potentially controversial changes to an affected article, we advise you to propose the change on the article talk page instead of directly editing the article. You use the template for this. Place this at the bottom of the talk page and state your suggestion beneath it (be sure to sign it with four tildes, ~ ). If the proposal is verifiable and appropriate, it will usually be accepted. If it is declined, the editor declining the request will usually add an explanation below your entry.


 * Your other questions
 * "Will it affect any other editing"
 * I'm not sure what you mean by this, but no, it should not have any impact on any other edits you or other editors make.
 * "Will it blacklist my username"
 * No, it won't - actually it will do the opposite. Being truthful and transparent about your affiliation to topics will show other editors that you are editing in good faith. You will find that others will appreciate your honesty, and be more willing to help you.


 * I hope this answers your questions. If you need me to explain anything else further, please don't hesitate to ask. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:15, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Reply
 * Thanks for the explanation, Iam going with scenario 2 and starting 4musics page again Frizel Francis 05:56, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * So are you saying that you are not being paid by 4musics to write about them? If you are being paid by them directly, or you work for a company that they pay for PR/marketing, then you are definitely in Scenario 1. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:18, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Reply
 * Its hard to explain and argue, i'll go on with scenario 1. Thanks again!.

Update
 * Please have a look Draft:4Musics

Frizel Francis 12:04, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Excellent. Thank you for making the proper disclosures. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

"We" mentions on Montres Tudor (SA) ?
Dear @Drm310,

I am writing you this message in response to your question : On the page Talk:Montres Tudor (SA), you repeatedly used the first-person plural word "we" when referring to your edits. Does more than one person use this account? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

The article might be updated in the future by other wikipedia authors regarding historical/informatinoal events related to the Tudor Brand. For now, I am alone in charge for integrating it, editing it and get it online. I have searched the whole article for "We" mentions but cannot find any ... Could you please share concrete examples of what you are pointing out ? I am willing to make changes if necessary. Please let me know if I can be of further help to make sure every part of my article fits Wikipedia's rules.

Many thanks in advance for your help,

Kind Regards,

Datawords 17 (talk) 10:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Datawords 17 (talk • contribs) 10:25, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I was not talking about the article content. I was referring to the message that you left at Talk:Montres Tudor (SA), where you said the following:

''We only mentionned factual and historical content.

''We didn't mentionned any price or marketing content that should be contrary to wikipedia's rules : Invoking section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion is therefore unjustified. If author Shirt58 can justify through examples, we are of course willing to make all necessary changes.''

We already published the Rolex Wikipedia page and followed the same structure, with the same care of rules.

Article reviewer Shirt58 requested a speedy deletion, only 2 minutes after starting reviewing it, without notyfying article author of what's wrong or what part could cause problems.

We are always of good will to make any changes in our articles in order to repect wikiepdians rules : In this perpective, we expect to have a dialogue approach at first before taking harsh decisions by simply deleting articles without reading them.

We hope to have some more constructive exchanges in the near future, [...]


 * By using the word "we", your message gave me the impression that more than one person uses your "Datawords 17" account. If this is true, please be aware that Wikipedia's username policy permits only a single person to use an account. Every person who edits Wikipedia must use their own individual account. Accounts may never be shared, and any evidence of shared use can lead to an account being blocked.


 * If I am mistaken and you are the only person uses the Datawords 17 account, then I apologize for the misunderstanding. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:36, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * : I understand now, sorry for the confusion here. I used the term "We" because indeed I had to consult several sources/people to verify information, but I am managing this wikipedia account alone. Still, I can correct the previous message so it sounds less confusing ? Please let me know if I can be of further help.

Datawords 17 (talk) 10:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the clarification. It's preferred that you don't edit previous talk page comments; if anyone else raises a concern, you or I can just refer them to this discussion here.
 * I also wanted to ask one other question. Are you employed by, or affiliated with, Montres Tudor? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your feedback. To answer your question : I am not employed nor affiliated by any business agreements to Montres Tudor. (talk) 15:45, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for stating that. Best of luck with your edits. Just a reminder, please sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:34, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Reply to your message on my talk page
Dear Drm310, thank you for your message. We were translating the Aktion Mensch (AktionMensch) article as part of our translation class in Uni, so our only job was to do the translation and not to do any scientific work. We understand that there are independent sources missing and we will do our best to find some in the next few days! --Kanelboller05 (talk) 11:27, 11 January 2018 (UTC)Kanelboller05

Disclosure of employment
Thank you for your explanations on how to proceed with COI and employment disclosures. I appreciate your efforts to ensure the integrity of Wikipedia's content, and there have been several changes since I was a more regular contributor to this site. Please let me know if everything looks OK now; I would like to be more active as a Wikipedia contributor and editor going forward. NicoleMN6 (talk) 17:09, 23 January 2018 (UTC)NicoleMN6


 * Thanks for making the proper disclosures. I see that a couple of your articles have been deleted over concerns that they were too promotional. I advise you to try the Articles for Creation process for any topics where you have a conflict of interest. That allows you to create a draft article, at less risk for deletion, which can then be reviewed by an uninvolved editor. Your draft will either be published to the main article space if it is deemed acceptable, or sent back to you for further revisions. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 05:48, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

CityPlace Burlington
Hello Drm310,

Two things, I am responding to the request for speedy deletion of my new entry for CityPlace Burlington and your reversal of my edits of Burlington Town Center page. These two entries were my first experience with Wikipedia and were a response motivated by reading inaccurate information on the page for Burlington Town Center that says the mall closed in 2017. I am the Marketing Director for CityPlace Burlington and I immediately disclosed conflict of interest using the Wikipedia tools, and I thought my conflict of interest disclosure was complete, sorry. From your letter I now understand I did not complete this declaration by disclosing my paid employee status, a fact I was not trying to hide, but apparently did not properly disclose. I will dive into your regulations to fully understand how to do this right. I had no intent to deceive anyone or secretly try to market the property with the bias of an employee, I only want correct information to be displayed. As far as what I've written, I attempted to be completely factual in what I wrote, in both entries. The Burlington Town Center is NOT closed, whoever wrote that I believe is trying to vandalize our facility, damage our reputation and destroy the businesses that still operate here. I believe this is someone with an opposition to the project, or at the very least uninformed or not familiar with Burlington. With regard to the CityPlace Burlington article, again, I did my best to present the facts, without bias, about this development, taking off my marketing hat and presenting just the facts.

I admit this is a considerable learning curve and I apologize for messing up out of the gate, and again I apologize for my ignorance of disclosing "paid" status, I will correct this as soon as time permits. Can you please let me know the best way to at least correct the misinformation about the mall being closed? Rewriting the CityPlace Burlington page using your guidelines and employing best practices will take a bit of time, but with my knowledge of the history of the development and the project specifics I am qualified to put together an unbiased, accurate draft of this for Wikipedia's approval.

Thanks, WikiBradCPB WikiBradCPB (talk) 18:31, 25 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your message. I see that you have made the proper disclosure of your employment on your userpage, which is fantastic.


 * For your original draft article that was deleted, the reviewing administrator (RHaworth) decided that the content was too promotional in nature to be retained. Since that content is now deleted, I can't comment on specifics. You are welcome to try again, and I see that you have already written something. Your message there isn't necessary, so you can remove it. Instead, what you can do is place this on the draft article's talk page:




 * It is important that whatever content you write is backed up by citations to multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Wikipedia is only interested in what has been written and published by third-party sources that are unaffiliated with the topic being discussed. Primary sources can be used for basic facts (e.g. number of employees, dates of establishment, etc.) but any interpretation of facts from primary sources must be attributed to a secondary source.


 * Please note that your personal knowledge or experience (referred to on Wikipedia as original research) cannot be used unless it has been covered in a reliable source. Wikipedia's content is determined by previously published information rather than by the unverifiable personal beliefs or experiences of its editors. "Verifiability, not truth" summarizes how information that is verifiable by citing sources takes precedence.


 * Please also be aware that if your draft article is accepted, no single editor has any right of ownership or editorial control over its content. Articles are editable by anyone at anytime, and can change substantially over time. Content cannot be "locked down" to a version that one editor or a group of editors prefers. Consensus is Wikipedia's fundamental model for editorial decision making, and is marked by addressing legitimate concerns held by editors through a process of compromise while following Wikipedia policies.


 * As for my revert of your edit to Burlington Town Center, it was done solely because your additions were unsourced. If you can provide the aforementioned third-party sources for your additions, then they can be re-added. As for the other editors who wrote that the complex was closed - I will also add that every Wikipedia editor is expected to assume good faith and believe that people who work on the project are trying to help it, not hurt it. If criticism is needed, discuss editors' actions, but avoid accusing others of malicious intent without clear evidence. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Muneesh Sappel
Hi,

I would like to inform you that this article is false and utter rubbish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muneesh_Sappel and should be deleted immediately. In future, we should make it the point that only admin can create this article.

I am sending you because you are in this article’s View History and you took initiative earlier to delete this article and ignored it later. Muneesh Sappel took advantage of this and written more rubbish than his previous articles.

He is using wikipedia page for his publicity and propaganda. I am quiet shocked there is no article about him on Indian newspapers and on google, what you find one …. Is only one liner. Even images on google also posted by him….. not a single newspaper photos.

In his article most of the awards has won by other cast/ crew but he is showing in his article like he won!!!

Please do see his sixth article which he has written again in 2015: He says he is “Indian and International production designer, art director, costume designer, hair and make-up artist” but there is not a single hint about AWARDS. In his recent updated version he won so many awards, he has become now Indian production designer, art director and costume designer from previous claiming being INTERNATIONAL production designer…

Now he has become an actor, writer, director, poster design, publicity set construction, theatrographer, production assistant, art director… blah blah….

His article deleted many times since past (10 – 12) years and I see he writes article about himself again…. than some same user:Sapna Shrivastav: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SAPNA_SHRIVASTAV who use to write earlier on fake name user:Shruti Narayanan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shruti95Narayanan takes-over…..

“CONFLICT OF INTEREST”

He is a paid IMDB member, which you can understand… if you are not IMDB paid member. You can’t write anything. Rediff References are bullshit because Sapna Shrivastav works at Rediff. Just see how cleverly he created and designed false newspaper article for reference on his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=551791188210278&set=a.345572122165520.79274.100001382062100&type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=542341122488618&set=a.345572122165520.79274.100001382062100&type=1&theater

How someone could use his website as reference, he used it: http://www.indianproductiondesigner.com/PL/profile.php?ref_=nm_awd

For your reference (since 2010 his articles are getting deleted.): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Muneeshsappel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Muneeshsappel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.59.250.141 (talk) 20:28, 2 February 2018 (UTC)


 * If you had studied the page history closer, you will have noticed that the page was nominated for deletion on 6 May 2015, and the result of the deletion discussion was to keep it  on 13 May 2015. The consensus was that he is notable enough to be included. Based on that decision, it is unlikely that it would be deleted outright.


 * I agree that the article has been hijacked by single-purpose accounts, one of which has been identified as a possible sockpuppet. It needs a drastic trim back, but I don't think it's to the point of "blow it up and start over". I will add that there's nothing stopping you from being bold and fixing it yourself.


 * I'll file a report on the conflict of interest noticeboard.


 * (update after I had written the first part) Well, forget everything I just said - it looks like you got your wish. It's been deleted by . --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 22:16, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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Disclosure of employment ElenaMilova - Life Extension Advocacy Foundation
Hello Drm310! Thanks for your message.

I need your advice. At the moment when I created the page for Life Extension Advocacy Foundation, I was a volunteer of the organization. This is why I only indicated that I am related to the organization (by disclosing COI), but didn't indicate any financial stake in promoting a topic, because at that moment it would have been inaccurate.

However, 2 months ago I was hired in the organization and I am currently receiving a salary indeed. But during the time that I am receiving a salary, no new edits were done on the page of Life Extension Advocacy Foundation (except for my present reaction to your message and another one in response to the "Speedy deletion" suggestion).

So here is the question. If the page was made when I was a volunteer with no financial stake in promoting a topic, and during my period of employment no new edits on the page were made by me, should I still make a paid editing disclosure?

I would be grateful for your advice as I am somewhat new to Wikipedia and this situation is a tricky one.

Elena ElenaMilova (talk) 18:59, 3 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElenaMilova (talk • contribs) 18:42, 3 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Elena. The paid-contribution disclosure rules still apply in this case. They state that "A paid contribution is one that involves contributing to Wikipedia in exchange for money or other inducements. It includes adding or removing content from any page, including articles and talk pages." While your edits to the article were made during your time as an unpaid volunteer, your advocacy against the page's deletion on the article talk page were done as a salaried employee.


 * After you make this declaration on your user page, you are welcome to continue contributing to the article. However, we advise people with a conflict of interest to avoid editing the article directly, and instead propose changes on the article talk page. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:03, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello Drm310! I added the information about my editing as part of my job responsibilities to my user page here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ElenaMilova Please let me know if you find it sufficient!

I also checked if my previous disclosure of COI was working, I believe now it is as the Life Extension Advocacy Foundation page in the disclosure note is now clickable - it seems it was not before because of excessive "". ElenaMilova (talk) 20:54, 3 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me! Thank you, and we look forward to your contributions. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:21, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

greg marchand
ok so can you answer is there some kind of block on my name? I started the article because several colleagues said they tried to and were blocked. Is there some kind of spam list / block list on my name? -greg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Marchand MD (talk • contribs) 20:45, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The article Greg Marchand has been deleted twice because it was found to have copyrighted text from the website http://gregmarchandmd.com/, and also because the article's subject (you, I presume) did not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria.
 * Wikipedia articles are about notable subjects — those that have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time, and are not outside the scope of Wikipedia. We consider evidence from reliable and independent sources to gauge this attention. In the case of a living person, material about living persons added to any Wikipedia page must be written with the greatest care and attention to verifiability, neutrality, and avoidance of original research.
 * You should not write an article about yourself, and your colleagues should also avoid creating an article about you due to their personal/professional relationship with you, which constitutes a conflict of interest. Both instances are discouraged due to the inherent difficulty in adhering to the required neutral point of view, avoidance of unpublished original research, and the temptation to use Wikipedia for self-promotion.
 * Please also realize that if an article about you is ever accepted, you will have no right of ownership or editorial control over its content. Wikipedia is a collaborative project; anyone can edit any page at any time, and consensus is Wikipedia's fundamental model for editorial decision making. That is why we often tell people that an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.
 * Please review the pages I have linked to before making any further attempts to create an article about yourself. If after all that you still truly believe that you are notable enough for mention in Wikipedia, try using the Requested Articles or Articles for Creation avenues. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:57, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Yea, I've read your notability criteria before, I easily meet all that because of how often I've been in the news and the like, but my question is apparently someone tried to make a wikipedia page by copying my website text and kept getting blocked. This isn't blocking someone new from making a new article now, is it? I totally agree they shouldn't have copied text from my website. They said something about a 30 day block. Is this a thing?? Greg Marchand MD (talk) 22:08, 14 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Marchand MD (talk • contribs) 22:03, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't believe that there is any creation protection enabled right now for the title "Greg Marchand". However, it is possible that an administator (I am not one, by the way) may have (temporarily) protected the creation of the page at some point in the past, due to the past copyright violations. This practice is called "salting"; it is a rather strong measure employed only when a page has been deleted but repeatedly recreated.
 * Since I am not an administrator, I cannot see past versions of the page, nor who was responsible for creating them. You could ask the two admins who deleted the pages ( and ) for more details if you need them. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 22:17, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

OK, but obviously there is no such salting in place now if I was able to make the page. So, can I just delete the page and let me colleagues know that if they want to make a page about me they are free to? Greg Marchand MD (talk) 22:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Just for the record, the first version was created by an editor whose username was Rcerrone1, and the second attempt was by an editor named Drewmonda. That said, a person does not get over our notability criterion by appearing on the news as a speaker in coverage about something else; a person gets over our notability criteria by being the subject of news coverage about them. So appearing on the news as a speaker does not demonstrate your notability — being the subject of coverage in which other people are speaking or writing about you is what would be required. That said, even if your notability can be properly demonstrated by the correct kind of sourcing, your colleagues still shouldn't be creating the article — because they have a direct personal relationship with you, they still have a direct conflict of interest and still really shouldn't be involved in creating an article about you at all. Bearcat (talk) 22:27, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The user created his article under Greg marchand. This was speedied as promotional, and then salted as an incorrect capitalization. The original article was under Greg Marchand Meters (talk) 23:13, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking further, I see no evidence that Marchand is notable--GS shows only one peer-revirewed publication, with only 17citations. Everything else listedas a publication on his web site is a talk at a conference or the like, not an article in a peer-reviewed journal. This is way below the relevant standard, WP:PROF. Everything else is just local or trivial news accounts about a very unimportant Guinness record--they amount to PR (there is one other local account of criticism on the basis that the surgical technique he used in setting the record was inappropriate . This ref does not appear in any version of the article submitted.  This will not meet WP:GNG -- press release-based articles are not reliable sources for notability, nor do we write an article on a person because of one negative item of press.  DGG ( talk ) 00:21, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Question about "Boundless (technology company)" article
Hello User:Drm310! I hope it's okay to post this on your talk page. I appreciate your guidance on COI editing with regard to the Boundless (technology company) article. I previously declared my COI editing status on my user page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Messier6 Would you recommend that I also declare it on the article talk page? And if so, what is the best way to do that? Additionally, I would appreciate any of your input on the way the article is written. I've studied the neutral tone guidelines and feel that I have followed them, but I'm certainly ready and willing to take any suggestions that would improve the article. Messier6 (talk) 23:41, 15 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message, and certainly it's OK to post here. I don't think it's necessary to post a declaration on the article talk page. I've already put the connected contributor template there and it states that you made a declaration on your userpage (very well done, by the way). I think you've done everything right in that regard.


 * As for the article content, I think that perhaps it delves a little too much into how much the service works (2nd paragraph of the lead), which may have triggered the WP:G11 nomination. Also, it looks like it suffers from a bit of citation overkill, particularly the 2nd paragraph of the "History" section.


 * I think it is salvageable if you trim back the lead section and pare down the references to keep the highest-quality ones (well-regarded news organizations with established reputations for fact-checking and editorial oversight). Hope that helps. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 01:13, 16 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello Drm310 Thanks so much for taking the time to review the article and offer these suggestions, which I certainly want to put into practice. In addition to fixing the 2nd paragraph content, I can pare back the references to the highest-quality ones and do a better job of putting them in the appropriate places. Where is the best place to work on a revision, in your view -- offline or a draft space? Would you be willing to review the revised article once I have spent more time on it? And if so, can I post sections of it for your review on your talk page, to make sure I'm on track? Thanks again -- I really appreciate your time and advice for getting this right! Messier6 (talk) 16:35, 16 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I've been away for a bit and I see that your article was deleted. If you want the text back, you can post at WP:REFUND and ask that it be restored to the draft space or your user sandbox. I can help you review it but I'd rather the discussion take place on the draft/sandbox talk page instead of my own. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft article on Boundless (technology company)
Thanks again for your advice! I have prepared a new draft article for User:Messier6/Boundless (technology company) where I intend to do all the necessary work to ensure that everything complies with Wikipedia guidelines, before the draft goes public. For starters, as you suggested, I have pared back the references to include only the highest-quality sources, and I have attempted to remove any content that could be construed as marketing language. Please let me know what additional edits you would recommend! Messier6 (talk) 16:28, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Response: Undisclosed Paid Contributing to Wikipedia
Thank you for pointing out that I had not properly disclosed my status as a paid contributor. I have updated my user page accordingly. I appreciate you bringing this unintentional omission to my attention and I was happy to address it. Austinjkieler (talk) 19:28, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for making the proper disclosure. Please note that this article might still not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. Per WP:NPOL, item #3: Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article". --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:12, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article".

Tom Palzewicz has received news coverage from multiple reputable and independent sources including Milwaukee's largest newspaper. I have referenced these news articles and insist that Tom Palzewicz does in fact meet the primary notability criterion. Please take a closer look at the page, thank you. Austinjkieler (talk) 21:44, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Advice on page creation
Thank you for your kind note of advice on my talk page. I've taken in your advice carefully. :)

Richgnomielawn (talk) 19:39, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, and best of luck to you. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the alert
Thank you for alerting me to the Teahouse item about difficulty registering for the event. The link is now working, though the fix isn't very elegant.TrudiJ (talk) 16:58, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! I'm in the IT field, so I have experience with inelegant fixes... as long as it works, right? :-) Cheers. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:01, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

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Reaction to Disclosure of employment
Dear,

I am an intern for PSE Belgium. My job is to update all the correct information about the organization. I don't get any money paid for my work because i'm doing an internship here. I hope this is enough information for you to not delete my PSE Belgium page and to set back my revisions on the Night of the Proms page.

Kind regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shalini PSE (talk • contribs) 09:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Even if you are not being paid, you still have a clear conflict of interest with this topic. As such, it is highly inadvisable for you to create or directly edit articles related to this organization. Instead please use the request edit template on the article talk page. Also please use the UserboxCOI template on your user page to indicate articles where you have a conflict of interest:


 * Please review Wikipedia's plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Make your superiors aware of its contents as well, if they are instructing you to make these edits. Wikipedia is not interested in what an organization wants to say about itself or its projects. While we do strive for accuracy, it is important that articles are cited to reliable sources that are independent of the topic under discussion. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:20, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * In further reading WP:PAID, interns are considered employees. Your internship is considered compensation in and of itself, and therefore you are required to disclose in the same way as an employee that is compensated monetarily. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:33, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, but still have doubts.
I am sorry that your pages have been deleted, but please understand that Wikipedia's article must be about notable topics. Notability is defined as topics have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time, and are not outside the scope of Wikipedia. We consider evidence from reliable and independent sources to gauge this attention.

Wikipedia does not predict the future and is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 07:19, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your patience. I appreciate! Yes, I totally understood your meaning. But, I want to give an example Once I knew a guy who was just ordinary (years ago, I don't actually remember his full name). He used to work at UCSF, not a professor, not a teacher, just a staff. He likes painting, but just ordinary level. I these because I gave him a part time job once for his living. He is definitely NOT "sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time". However, he had his Wikipedia page... On that page, he has been defined himself an artist.. Compare to him, I can't see this project is not qualify to have a page on wikipedia. Please talk to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masonfree (talk • contribs) 16:37, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * In your example, it doesn't sound like the person you are discussing should have ever had a Wikipedia article. Plenty of articles exist that probably should not. Equally, because articles must wait for someone who is interested in the subject to notice they are missing before they are created, a lot of articles do not exist that probably should. So just pointing out that an article on a similar subject exists does not prove that the article in question should also exist; it is quite possible that the other article should also be deleted but nobody has noticed it and listed it for deletion yet.


 * If you want to try writing an article, you should try using the WP:Article Wizard or the Articles for Creation process. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:00, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * OK, it seems like we are not able to create the page of beeunity. Is it? It's just because some of the supporters of beeunity checked the page on Wikipedia but not found. So, now I should tell them not to check on Wikipedia anymore? right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masonfree (talk • contribs)


 * I'm not sure that I understand what you're asking, but it doesn't seem that Beeunity is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article at this time. If and when it is written about in depth by multiple reliable third-party sources, then it may be worthy of inclusion - but not before.


 * Also, I will remind you to please sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:09, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Seeking your feedback on Boundless (technology company) article
Hello Drm310, Messier6 here. I just left you a note here regarding the article we discussed previously, and I wanted to make sure this stayed on your radar. I know that there's no shortage of articles to review, and continue to appreciate your advice! Messier6 (talk) 17:03, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Disclosure of employment
Drm310,

There's a lot to cover.

To address your first message concerning "Disclosure of employment": I am a law student interning at sonaBLAST! Records. This is not a paid position. I want to make sure that I am complying with Wikipedia's conditions and I don't want to implicate the label. I am volunteering my time and the edits that I created were created outside my time at the office from my personal computer. Please advise me the most prudent way to move forward.

In regards to "Copyright, notability and conflict of interest": The creation of The Veldt(band) page was flagged because I cut and pasted the bands bio from their Facebook page. Their Reverb Nation page had the identical bio, which was detected by your software. So, I am a bit confused about what material is being viewed as a copyright infringement. As for the "notability" issue; The Veldt is mentioned on their other band page 'Apollo Heights.' Further, I can produce numerous articles from notable news sources that have have stories covering the band. In Wikipedia page that I created, the bands long history and influence on the shoegazer music scene, dating back to the early 90's, was referenced. They have had a significant impact within the industry and continue to be a relevant band to this day. In fact, they recently played Austin's massive music festival SXSW where they received a favorable write up from the Austin Chronicle. https://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/sxsw/2018-03-17/sxsw-music-review-the-veldt/ As for the conflict of interest you mentioned, I believe that we can resolve that after we address the "Disclosure of employment" message you left earlier.

I look forward to resolving these issues as expeditiously as possible with you. Have a great day! Alec — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abetz02 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clearing up your association with Sonablast. If you're not being compensated for your work, then you would not be considered a paid editor. However, you are writing about the artists in the roster of the company you're interning at... so by proxy, you are representing the interests of the company, and you still have a conflict of interest (COI).


 * We discourage COI editors from creating or editing existing articles directly. We instead encourage you to use an existing article's talk page to suggest edits, or use the Articles for Creation process for new ones. These will allow unaffiliated editors to review any changes you submit first. Please also be aware that the subject of an article, nor their representatives, has ownership or editorial control over an article. Consensus is Wikipedia's fundamental model for editorial decision making, and is marked by addressing legitimate concerns held by editors through a process of compromise while following Wikipedia policies.


 * The fact that this group is mentioned in another article doesn't automatically mean it is notable enough for its own article... existence does not equal notability. Also, arguing for one article's existance based on the existence of another similar article won't hold. Each article must stand on its own merit individually. The Apollo Heights article is of poor quality and needs improvement or it is also at risk for deletion.


 * We require citations to multiple third-party sources to show that a topic is notable, as Wikipedia defines it, to be considered worthy of inclusion. WP:BAND covers the notability criteria for musicians and bands. If you have more sources to offer, then by all means add them - your Austin Chronicle story is a good start. Printed sources are considered acceptable as well as online sources, as long as they satisfy Wikipedia's definition of reliable sources. Blogs, social media and sources affiliated with the group(s) will not be considered reliable and therefore won't count toward demonstrating notability.


 * Finally, the copyright question. Both Facebook and Reverb Nation have copyright notices at the bottom of their pages, meaning that the text and images cannot be freely reused. Copying and pasting from these sources will not be allowed because the text is not compatible with Wikipedia's licenses. You will have to write new text that does not closely paraphrase the original source. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 23:11, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Cleared COI
Drm310,

If creating a page for one of the artists from the label demonstrates a COI, I will take your suggestions and petition for edits on a talk page.

As for the sonaBLAST! Records Wiki page, can you release the edits you removed since we cleared up my issues with COI?

Respectfully, Alec --abetz02 🏹 (talk) 11:00am, 6 April 2018 (EST)

Unresolved issues
Drm310,

I cleared up the COI issues you were concerned with. Can you please remove the alerts you placed on the sonaBLAST Record's page and release the content you deleted?

Respectfully, abetz02 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abetz02 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * There are other issues, so I am not reinstating the content that I removed. I will elaborate later when I have more time later today, and it is better to move this discussion to the article's talk page. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:55, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

In reply to your message
Hello, Drm310. MCDLV and Maria Cecilia de la Vega are the same person, myself. MCDLV is an acronym of my full name, which I prefer using and will be using from now on. Thank you for your advice. --MCDLV (talk) 17:19, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * We would have preferred you to have changed your username instead of creating a new, separate account, but that ship has sailed. As long as you do not use the original account anymore, it should be fine. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:21, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * An administrator has blocked your original account, as you have expressed your intention to use only the second one going forward. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:45, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Full name and acronym
DRM310, would it be helpful if I'd signed in as Maria Cecilia de la Vega for the last time and made it clear that she and I are the same user? Then, I would go on using this account MCDLV, and you could block or delete the other account. I'm sorry for the inconveniences. I’ll follow your instructions. Thanks.--MCDLV (talk) 17:48, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * No, there's no need to do so. It's already been handled, so continue to use the MCDLV account. I'll put a welcome message with some helpful links on your talk page. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:52, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Notability and sources
Hello Drm310 and thank you for taking the time to reply back to me. Your response made sense and I understand the way notability and sources and checked.

I am confident I can provide authenticity which is notable.

In your opinion is it justifiable for myself as someone who has a very good knowledge and understanding of UK urban music, particularly the authentic and genuine history of UK Grime & UK Garage, that I believe pioneering / former pirate radio station Dejavu fm should have its rightful place on wikipedia. As a passionate music fan and volunteer (I do not do this for payment or financial rewards) I would like to start the ball off rolling with some key facts that can be backed up and verified, for others to then contribute and add to this encyclopedia.

My genuine incentive only comes from the fact that I and people like me come from a pre internet music era where things were done for pure enthusiasm and passion not for fame and fortune. For example many of todays pop stars who started there careers at dejavufm where grime music was built & in 2018 we now see UK grime music as a multi million pound proud british export culture, the sad side of it now is there seems to be a growing trend of new films, documentary, books and rather one sided wikipedia entries that appear to have re-written history for personal PR gains and promotion and in doing so are painting a misleading story of our music history. The fact remains that there are 2 main East London radio stations that together created one of most exciting music genres in recent years. One of them has its own entry and the other doesn't, but it has played a more pivotal role.

I would be really interested to get your view and advice.

Thanks once again

OriginalDJDlux 01:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC) (OriginalDJDlux 01:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OriginalDJDlux (talk • contribs)


 * I appreciate your passion, firsthand knowledge and desire for accuracy with this subject. However, any material added to Wikipedia must have been published previously by a reliable source. Editors may not add content solely because they know or believe it is true, nor delete content they believe to be untrue, unless they have verified beforehand with a reliable source. You can read more about this at Verifiability, not truth.


 * If knowledge and experience has been published in a reliable source, then that source can be cited. The source reporting the information must be writing about it from the point of view of a disinterested third party - plainly factual and dispassionate - with no interest in how the subject matter is being portrayed. However, if the source is self-published - that is, created by the subject itself or by users generating their own content - then it cannot be considered reliable.


 * Also, Wikipedia isn't the place to "set the record straight" or right great wrongs. If you want to explain the "truth" or "reality" of a current or historical topic on Wikipedia, you'll have to wait until it's been reported in mainstream media or published in print from reputable publishers.


 * The bottom line: if knowledge has never been published in a reliable source, then it cannot exist here. Wikipedia doesn't lead, we follow. Let reliable sources make the novel connections and statements. What we do is find neutral ways of presenting them. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 04:28, 19 April 2018 (UTC)


 * P.S. If you have a dispute with the content on an existing article, begin a discussion on the article's talk page. If that does not result in a satisfactory consensus, then there are other dispute resolution mechanisms that can be employed. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 04:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Emo Nite Page
I just added the paid language to my user page in regards to the Emo Nite page. I am not being paid by Emo Nite, but I do work for their sister company, Ride or Cry, so I have indicated as such on my user page. Apologies for the omission as I'm new to Wikipedia and didn't realize I needed to include that somewhere. I appreciate the help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbringenberg (talk • contribs) 00:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. One more thing though, when you add content to talk pages (like this one) and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:
 * Add four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment; or
 * With the cursor positioned at the end of your comment, click on the signature button (Insert-signature.png in the enhanced toolbar, or Signature icon.png if you use the old "classic" toolbar) located above the edit window.
 * This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is necessary to allow other editors to easily see who wrote what and when. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi : Now that I've added this disclosure to my user page, am I now able to re-create and submit the Emo Nite page for review? I thought I had done so yesterday but now I'm not seeing it in my contribution history. If I'm missing something, let me know. Cbringenberg (talk) 18:41, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for making the proper disclosure. Emo Nite was deleted for the second time as unambigous advertising or promotion. For it to be accepted as an article topic, you will need to demonstrate that it meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for events. This is done by providing references to multiple reliable sources that are independent of the topic.
 * I advise you to use the Articles for Creation process. This lets you create a draft article outside of the main article space, at less risk for deletion. This will give you more time to work on it, and also the opportunity to submit it for review by an uninvolved editor for review. If the reviewer finds it to be satisfactory, they will post it to the main article space. If not, they will send it back to you for further revisions. Good luck. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:10, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Abraham Tkach
I understand your objections. On the other hand, Abraham Tkach's contribution to the educational and cultural life of the Jewish Community in Argentina were great and important topic for research to anybody who is studying the Jewish community in Argentina. What do you suggest?dtkach1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.36.164.44 (talk) 17:58, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * You appear to have been logged out when you left your message here. Sometimes that happens if you sit idle for too long and your session expires.
 * My suggestion would be to use the Articles for Creation process. This lets you create a draft article outside of the main article space, at less risk for deletion (although copyright violations will be deleted outright there, too). This will allow you to work on it and then submit it for review by another uninvolved editor. If your submission is accepted, it will be published to the main article space. If the reviewer declines it, he or she will include suggestions for revision.
 * Please note that any content submitted must be back up by multiple reliable sources, and the subject must be notable per Wikipedia's definition of notablity. You should try to collect as many reliable sources for your material and then express them with original wording that is written from the required neutral point of view.
 * Also, I will repeat that I noticed that your username is similar to the person you were writing about. If you are a descendant of this person, you should review Wikipedia's plain and simple conflict of interest guide. We discourage editors from writing about topics where they have a close connection, do to the inherent difficulty in writing about it objectively and dispassionately.
 * Best of luck. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:20, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Tag user paid
Hi Drm310 ! Ok, so I have to add the same declaration at English Wikipedia. Thank you very much to advise me, I didn't know it. I will add the tag right now. Sincerly--Babel20017 (talk) 15:44, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for doing that, but you must also list each article that you are editing under a paid relationship as well. My recommendation would be to use this alternative format of the paid template (without the  tags if you copy it from the source):


 * Then you can simply add more bullet points if you create/edit other articles in the future. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:07, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Perfect! So I will copy this code and I will paste it to my page. In addion, everytime I modify or create a remunerate article, I have to update this list. Thank you very much. It is good to know this rules. --Babel20017 (talk) 16:17, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Excellent. Thanks for your cooperation, and best wishes. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

No, thanks to you!! :) --Babel20017 (talk) 16:22, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Solaris Resorts Page
First, Thank you for fix my user page. About my relationship with the company: I work for Solaris Resorts since 2002, I'm in Charge of "running" the call center for Solaris Resorts. Recently the Marketing director asks me the reason why we do not have a page in Wikipedia like Marriot international, and he gave me the project of creating the Wikipedia page with text that you previously read. I understand the situation, the text he gave me is more like an advertisement, but I donk know how to create the page with the sidebar (picture, logo, etc). I will try to create the page again without the text Jorge gave me and make it more like Marriot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fermo771124 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Fermo771124 Since you are paid directly or indirectly by the organisation you are writing about, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Fermo771124. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:    . If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Note that editing with a COI is discouraged, but permitted as long as it is declared. Concealing a COI can lead to a block. You must also provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the organisation, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the organisation claims or interviewing its management. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls.
 * Note that the notability guidelines for organisations and companies have been updated. The primary criteria has five components that must be evaluated separately and independently to determine if it is met: an individual source must meet all four criteria to be counted towards notability. Jimfbleak - talk to me?  05:56, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

For info
block log Jimfbleak - talk to me?  05:56, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Unresolved issues
Drm310,

I have complied with your protocols, but I haven't heard a response from you, yet. Can we please open our dialog back up?

Respectfully, abetz02 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abetz02 (talk • contribs) 17:01, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I am in the process of writing a response at Talk:SonaBLAST! Records. You will receive a notification when I have submitted it. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:29, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Disclosure of Employment
Hi Drm310,

Thanks for your message and explanation on how to properly disclose my employment! My apologies, I am new to Wikipedia and was not fully aware of all of the necessary steps. I have disclosed my relationship on my user page. Please be sure to let me know if I have done this correctly.

Regarding the article, it was not my intention to make it overly promotional. My objective was to help inform the public about the functionalities of the software. I will adjust the article to remove any promotional content. - James aodocs (talk) 14:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by James aodocs (talk • contribs) 09:34, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for making the proper disclosure. The inherent problem with a writer who has a conflict of interest is one I've encountered countless times. The view of "it's not promotion, it's information" is subjective - even if you don't mean to publicize your product, there is still a self-serving element to writing about it, whether or not you're aware of it. Even well-intentioned writers with a COI can have unconscious biases because they have a personal or professional connection to the topic. That is why we discourage users from writing about topics where those types of connections exist. It's not prohibited outright, but you can expect that your work will be scrutinized to a greater degree.


 * Please take note of the comments left by the reviewer of your draft. Wikipedia will only consider an article that is supported by the writings of multiple third parties that have no business interest in the software. This is necessary to verify what is claimed, evaluate whether the software is notable enough for inclusion, and ensure the content is written from the required neutral point of view. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:55, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Eco-Pesa
Hi Drm310, I have tried about a year ago to review and update this article Eco-Pesaon which you had apposed a COI banner. Could you have a look and tell me wether the banner can be taken off? Kind regards, --Nattes à chat (talk) 20:01, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Certainly. I might not get to it for a day or so, but I will review it. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

You are wrong
Discogs bios are reviewed and unverifiable information is removed from the artists’ bios. Wikipedia has some kind of bizarre bias against the inclusion of a valid subject... Interpose (talk) 05:11, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:MUSIC/SOURCES specifically lists Discogs as a source to avoid. You are welcome to dispute this position on the article's talk page, or the reliable sources noticeboard. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 05:14, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Go read the Discogs policy
And try actually using the site yourself—it’s peer reviewed and unverifiable content IS REMOVED. Your rationale is completely baseless and wrong. Interpose (talk) 05:28, 10 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Then open a discussion on one of the two pages I pointed out above and argue your point there, providing links to the Discogs peer review policies. I cannot unilaterally change guidelines - those are arrived at by debate and ultimately consensus amongst the participants. Debating them here won't change the guidelines or the actions of editors following them. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 05:36, 10 May 2018 (UTC)