User talk:Drmies/Archive 121

Seeking consensus
Hi Drmies. I quickly wanted to look-up Sachin Bansal for some information and of course my preferred go-to destination is Wikipedia. I was surprised to learn that Bansal does not have a Wikipedia article, despite the fact that he's a notable Indian entrepreneur! After a bit of investigation, I realized that Sachin Bansal article page did exist; however, it wasn't well written and hence redirected to his company page, Flipkart. I am writing to check with you if you would be okay if I remove the redirect; I am happy to re-write the article over the weekend. I believe that this piece of information deserves to be on Wikipedia. I will await your advice. Cheers! - Amishah78 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh my goodness! Not Sachin Bansal!?! Is he that guy that was involved with flipchart when a "delivery boy allegedly molested a housemaid in Hyderabad"?!? Are you a friend of his? Why are you looking him up?


 * If you are a good friend of his, and if he had nothing to do with anything bad that happened where this flipchart or flipkart company was involved, then you should tell him that Wikipedia is the last place that he should want to be listed!


 * congratulations on your Masters' degree. MPS1992 (talk) 00:14, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Amishah78, I cannot disagree with with MPS here. But speaking for myself, I can't forbid you to do that (it's not my place to "allow" it), but I strongly suggest you heed MPS's warning, and I hope that you will stick to our guidelines. Of course, if you have a COI, it would be a great idea to disclose that beforehand. Drmies (talk) 01:49, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * MPS1992 To answer your questions - Neither I am a personal friend nor I have any commercial interest. I was looking him up as I am writing an academic case study on eCommerce businesses in India. I have been an author with Harvard Business Publishing and Ivey Publishing since a while now. I had heard of the molestation case in Hyderabad; however, it wasn't Sachin Bansal. It was a delivery boy from his organization. Sachin Bansal is a notable first-generation entrepreneur in India and I believe he deserves a biography page on Wikipedia that is informative and adheres to our guidelines. Amishah78 (talk) 05:00, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Drmies, Hi there. I reached out to you as you are more experienced with Wikipedia than I am. People like you who have been contributing with great passion also help amateurs like us. I appreciate MPS1992's viewpoint; however, coming from India, I believe this article will be useful to several who wish to access information at-a-glance on Sachin Bansal. And of course, I would never want to violate our guidelines. I personally consume information out here and would not want to contribute crap! I don't understand what "COI" stands for; however, I believe you are referring to any personal/commercial interest that I may have (which isn't the case). Once again, if you "guide" me (I haven't used the term "allow" this time :)), I will go ahead and re-write the article either this weekend or next weekend. Amishah78 (talk) 05:00, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * For COI, please see Conflict of interest. Drmies (talk) 21:44, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure Drmies. I do understand the same. Cheers! Amishah78 (talk) 05:13, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * - Hi. Would appreciate your support in reviewing the edits that I have to this article made a while ago. Cheers. Amishah78 (talk) 17:40, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for asking, but it seems like the typical "man who founded company" article to me, with relatively little about the man. Drmies (talk) 18:18, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Andrei Svechnikov
Hey Drmies, Would you mind re-adding protection to Andrei Svechnikov? You protected it shortly but I think it needs some extended protection for BLP violations. It is all related to this. Thanks! HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:18, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK suggestion
Hi, just wanted to let you know that I added an ALT 1 to the Redoshi DYK, trying to incorporate the reviewer's suggestion of a quote from a source and linking the source. Have not done it this way, so am not sure about format. Let me know if you want me to draft another.Parkwells (talk) 14:42, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey, yes, I saw that, but I don't know what you mean with "the reviewer's suggestion"--that we link the source that verifies the hook is part of the template. I tweaked what you had, here, to be in in line with DYK guidelines., did you have a preference for a hook? Drmies (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I found the original hook a tad more interesting and catchier as a hook. Though ALT1 works as well.— N Ø  18:03, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * OK--thanks. Drmies (talk) 20:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

It is back
Hello D. After a couple months off this troll is back. The edits will need r/d by you or any of your talk page watchers who get there first. I hope you and you whole family have a pleasant weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 15:50, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you MarnetteD. I think I got it all but please check. I also put protection on some articles. User:Ohnoitsjamie, when you run into this racist stuff, please revdelete also... Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:24, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Will do. OhNo itsJamie Talk 16:25, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like you zapped everything D. Thanks for adding the protections! MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:43, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you. Drmies (talk) 16:48, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Some help please
Hi, look I know i've been through some heat and I've explained all I can here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Regarding_my_recent_edits

Thank you, OE OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 17:22, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Possible sock of
, before the blanking. Dan56 (talk) 22:33, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

About you Wikipedia article about Tugelbay Sydykbekov
Hey, Drmies!


 * Different spelling of the subject name may affect the course of research. I noticed that in different sources the subject is listed as Tu̇gȯlbaĭ Sydykbekov and Tügölbay Sïdïkbekov. By attaching Template:Authority control with relevant sources in it (VIAF, LCCN, ISNI), I believe this will significantly expand the range of further searches for information on the subject.


 * About "patriarch of Kyrgyz literature", to my mind, this is most likely a kind of quite internal "nickname" that is used among a very narrow circle of people. I think this information is of no particular importance.


 * Instead of Kyrgyz version of the article, you may have try its Russian version, because Russian language is more convenient for online translators.

P.S.: Feel free to use Template:Citation needed over the questionable information!

Dat Gee (talk) from Wikipedia (since September 2016) 01:40, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, --Ima practice my Russian. Drmies (talk) 01:43, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

66.35.116.133
Back to vandalizing after being blocked: (self-reverted right after, so maybe a warning?) --Guy Macon (talk) 15:41, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think was just fucking around a little pit--really, I think they were pinging me. Some overzealous user had been reverting their edits on their talk page, which was very unnecessary. This IP user is odd; I think they may well not be a typical vandal, though I get highly irritated at edit summaries like this one. Let's hope they find a more positive way to contribute; that capitalization thing was a bit useless. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:01, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia article all code
Please check the Wikipedia article for dusty rhoades(wrestler) because it is showing the code not the info box.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dusty_Rhodes_(wrestler)

Thanks,

BayArea2018 BayArea2018 (talk) 01:49, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm on it! I think I can fix this! (probably) MPS1992 (talk) 01:52, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


 * OK I think C.Fred fixed it. MPS1992 (talk) 01:54, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I have no idea why people ask me these questions. Drmies (talk) 01:55, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


 * 3 editors all at once.... and the winner is  -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 01:56, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick help fixing the article and happy easter BayArea2018 (talk) 02:08, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Questions
I have a few questions regarding the community block which I hope you can answer so I can ensure that I do not make any edits which could be viewed as being out of compliance:

A) Does WP:BLP refer only to living people connected with politics or tagged as politicians, or does it refer (given the "broadly construed" proviso) to ALL currently living people/individuals with articles on Wikipedia, regardless of politics? The latter is rather extreme.

B) Are deceased individuals (thus, NOT BLP) related to or tagged as connected to politics OK for me to edit? Or am I blocked from editing the articles of even deceased individuals tagged or connected to politics in any way?

C) Also, am I blocked from submitting for AFD any and all articles related to or tagged as connected to politics in any way? Does submitting for AFD count as editing? (I suspect it does but I just want to make sure.)

D) Is it possible and/or is there a statutory period of time I must wait to appeal (or request an amelioration or less broad construal) of the community blocks on BLP & POLITICS, as referenced above?

Thanks, Rms125a@hotmail.com  05:21, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I thought you were blocked indefinitely; I see now that you appealed to ArbCom. Welcome back, I suppose. I'm not sure why you're asking me these questions, or why you are asking these questions. I didn't impose the sanction. But some of these are simple. BLP obviously applies to all living (and recently deceased) people, politicians or not. If that's what was imposed, that's what it is. When "recently deceased" becomes "sufficiently dead" is a matter of judgment I suppose--but you've been editing BLPs for a decade or more so I really think you should know this already. AfD is a part of the editing process; what you can't edit you can't submit for AfD, or discuss at AfD, or whatever. As for the appeal period, I don't know what precisely was imposed on you and it's probably best to ask the closing admin of the AN discussion. Note that what I've written here is in direct response to your questions; it is not informed by a recent reading of that AN discussion or what the closing admin said, and I cannot speak for that closing admin. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:42, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

HughD sock pt 2
I see no reason to revert this sock edit but to reiterate my views (earlier discussion []) that this is a HughD sock edit, but absent this being a sock, notice that we again have a chicago area IP making an edit to the previous sock comments. [] The edit is a trivial correction to a discussion that has come and gone. Springee (talk) 00:53, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * And since I just noticed this... a Signpost barnstar from a Chicago area IP... []. Springee (talk) 01:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah not much I can do. Range is too big. Drmies (talk) 01:31, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That's OK, I figure this edit is innocuous given the scope of the other edits made. But I did think it was funny that the sock cared enough to come back to make a minor post correction two weeks later :D Springee (talk) 02:55, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

The Chicago IP returns again... []. I suspect my recent comment was why the sock added their views to the discussion. Quite the aggressive sock. Springee (talk) 15:25, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Tongva vandalism
This seems uncalled-for in consideration of WP:DENY. Why did you leave such a message? Nardog (talk) 22:52, 16 April 2019 (UTC) Is this where I add my 2 cents? Common sense should have told me not to do what I did last week. Sorry. I meant/mean to act in good faith. Endonym/exonym doesn't apply to "Tongva," which wasn't a language or a place until some said differently in the 1980s. I suppose Kichereno is an exonym and Kizh is an endonym, though Kizh doesn't sound Indian like Tonto who was a real Indian (Mohawk) playing a fake Indian saying things like kemosabe, which isn't as bad as taking something that isn't yours and making it yours or fake playing real, like affirmative action and Elizabeth Warren or Iron Eyes Cody, a Sicilian.Harryawhite (talk) 18:53, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Because I don't want a racist to think that racism is funny? There's vandalism and vandalism. Drmies (talk) 00:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , I do want to thank you for making me look at it again. There's a bit more to it, maybe; some Googling reveals that this may be a one-man crusade--but what sticks out most clearly is "It's all a bunch of nonsense besides being futile, because there's no such thing as a Tongva tribe", the kind of thing one hears from racists, and very much a way to make someone be invisible. Drmies (talk) 00:56, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It is clear from their edits that the user wants the name of the article and the descriptor of its subject to be changed from the exonym "Tongva" to the endonym "Kizh". They are indeed skipping the process of seeking community consensus, but that's disruptive editing, not vandalism, i.e. obstruction of the project's purpose. Insisting on using an endonym is typically a form of promoting political correctness that could not be further from bigotry. I don't know if this user was coming from a place of good faith in this particular case because I don't possess the knowledge to make either assumption and the matter is fairly complex—the exonym "Persian" is preferred over the endonym "Farsi" by many of the language's speakers; "San" was once considered more politically correct than the exonym "Bushmen" and now it's not—but jumping to the conclusion that it was racist vandalism and blocking them without giving them enough WP:ROPE is so anti-AGF. (And even if someone was engaging in blatant racist vandalism, I can't imagine a scenario in which asking them "Did you have fun with your racist vandalism?" after blocking results in anything productive.) I suggest you formally retract your earlier remark and apologize and unblock them. If they are taught about the process of consensus building and about verifiability and reliable sources, they might have something constructive to contribute. If they continue to ignore our warning and refuse to engage in a discussion instead of bold editing, then we can block them again. Nardog (talk) 12:47, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That is not at all clear to me, nor do I understand what you mean with "political correctness" here. I must have a quite different imagination than you do. It was clear to me that the editor was to some extent disappearing a recognized tribe. But I tell you what: I will unblock them, why not, since ROPE is fine with me. Drmies (talk) 13:45, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that by "there's no such thing as a Tongva tribe" they meant that there is no tribe named Tongva and that the tribe described in the article should be referred to as Kizh instead (on the grounds that that's what they call themselves), not that the tribe does not exist. Nardog (talk) 13:53, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. This is the personal user talk page for the user Drmies, where people can leave personal message to that user. I have already pointed to Talk:Tongva as the venue to voice your opinion about the subject on my user talk page, and I wonder why you haven't posted anything there yet. It appears that you have added it on your own personal user talk page. Was that a test? If not, post that on Talk:Tongva instead. Nardog (talk) 19:04, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Something?
Hi Drmies. and led me to  &  (and );  & ;  & ;  &. Thought I'd let a CU know. Cheers, Leviv&thinsp;ich 01:08, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I wish I had an award to give you: well spotted. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:12, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Inviting my friend to Wikipedia
Hi, I noticed that there aren't many editors from Yemen so I decided to invite one of my friends who I rarely connect with him using the same network like 2 times in month and even less than 2 times in 4 months. The only reason I would connect with him in the same network would be if he has not enough data or we are in a public place where wi-fi is available for free. Would that be allowed? And where I can find information about what I should do and what I shouldn't do? Thanks --SharabSalam (talk) 03:45, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, there is no law against sharing a network! I hope you will invite more users from Yemen: we need coverage. But if you two share a network, it is probably a good idea to not, you know, tag-team in AfD discussions and things like that. Happy editing! Drmies (talk) 03:53, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Category:Kidnapped African children‎ has been nominated for discussion
Category:Kidnapped African children‎, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Gjs238 (talk) 02:59, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Daddy, What's a Train?
Hi, Drmies. I noticed you removed the Utah Phillips song "Daddy, What's a Train?" from the List of train songs. I was aware that the article was being removed from WP as unnotable - and I agree with that - but the same does not apply to all references to the song. In fact, many if not most songs on the list do not warrant their own articles, but that does not diminish their significance as train songs. As far as that goes, Phillips' song is better known than most, enough that it garners a mention in Norm Cohen's Long Steel Rail, the seminal work on the subject. Thus, I've reinstated the entry (though of course, without its wikilink). I thought I'd let you know since I'm sure you made your edit in good faith and could not have known much else about the song. Allreet (talk) 03:33, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That happened automatically, as a result of the AfD being closed--Articles for deletion/Daddy, What's a Train? There's a bot-thing that removes wikilinks and, maybe, list entries to the thing being deleted. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:36, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Got it! Thanks. Allreet (talk) 04:56, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * So Allreet, I thought that all that script did was remove the wikilinks. I said "maybe, list entries" but I'm (still) sort of guessing at that. I'm looking at the script; probably knows best, but I also noticed some discussion related to your point at User_talk:Evad37/XFDcloser.js. Drmies (talk) 15:38, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * @User:Drmies...A bit "beyond my pay grade" as the saying goes, that is, admin/tech details. From a cursory look at the edit history, I thought it was a manual edit on your part, though I'm probably reading what happened wrong. In any case, the entry is okay as reinstated. Thanks for digging further. Allreet (talk) 00:51, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Been doing a little digging here
...in the wake of the most recent Middayexpress SPI case. I put a preliminary summary of findings here, but even I was surprise to find some 30 different SPI cases on or related to the Horn of Africa region in some way, shape, or form. I do intend to keep digging here, but I was interested to know if this normal for a given area? TomStar81 (Talk) 05:00, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * TomStar81, in any given area, no. For this one, yeah--though I admit I didn't know it was that bad. Holy moly. Yes, the multitude of AN and ANI threads too. It's very frustrating, and you can't trust anyone anymore, really. Well, maybe there's one other area where it gets this bad, and that's in some India/subcontinent-related articles. Thank you for writing this up. I don't know what you hope you could achieve with it; I think for now you're aiming at an overview? But whatever it is it is laudable, and please do keep me and others posted. Drmies (talk) 18:13, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Its been about 6 months since I floated the idea for discretionary sanctions at AN, I am hoping that a listed might help folks see the bigger picture. Also, I am hoping that if we look at the problem in its entirety it may help us see if any previous accounts may be still lingering on site. Assuming the blogspot website is correct about Middayexpress having a UK based isp address, its possible that Middayexpress may have been blocked earlier than s/he was and really is an LTA account. Finally, if the first proposal fails and the second yields no underlying connection, I hope that the list could be presented as to ARBCOM as evidence that the subject matter needs some high level attention. Independent on those instances, it'd be useful to have one master page where we can track all this as well since it seems the Horn of Africa is a delicate area for editors, admins, and others. Incidentally, you and the others are welcome to post to the page if you have something you feel should be added to it, so do feel free to edit if you need to. TomStar81 (Talk) 18:59, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for taking that up, TomStar81. I am hesitant to really jump on board, for a couple of reasons, one of which is that it is such a mess, an almost intractable mess, and it will take considerable time and energy to know enough. But discretionary sanctions may well be a really good idea. Proving to ArbCom that it's a mess shouldn't be too difficult. I'm going to have a look at your document again. Drmies (talk) 16:55, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * When I have more time to commit to it I intend to look through the articles and the users listed in the SPI cases and see if I can't connect a few dots. If we can figure where the greatest amount of disruption is and whose doing it then perhaps we can make some progress towards stopping it - or at a minimum convince ARBCOM to take up a case on the matter. TomStar81 (Talk) 18:48, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

"post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people"
You, Drmies, have sent me a message on my talk page referring to guidelines on "post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people". Could you provide a specific pointer to exactly what are the policies I need to be concerned about? If it is a link to a lengthy policy, maybe what part of the policy in particular is relevant. Thank you. KHarbaugh (talk) 20:26, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Drmies (talk) 23:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Rebel media
It's a news site. Sod off you stupid prick Þadius (talk) 01:47, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

My Site
Please explain to me what my site has to do with abuse? I can add to my page what I want, as long as it has nothing to do with racism or terrorism or anything else. I did something similar on my page in the German Wikipedia and it did not bother anyone. Reason: Was no abuse! Furthermore, this table, which I have worked to my request, does not have to do with a web host. And no, it has nothing to do with a fandom. --- TheKerberos01 (talk) 02:31, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You are using our website as a webhost. It is not "your" page. No, you can not put anything you want on there; the content has to be related to editing Wikipedia. See User pages. Hmm, you seem to make a habit out of claiming private property here. Drmies (talk) 00:34, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * First, if I used "your" website, then the full page would be on my side, but because it was just a spreadsheet with the characters and the main games that I've changed a bit myself, I have not taken anything from "you", In other words, the table on the main page looks very different than the one on my page. Secondly, this table is your own creativity and has nothing to do with your website. Furthermore, I have removed the associated links, except those of the games, but only because I did not think so. What if I had just changed my name and it would apply to the franchise, then you or you can not say anything. To the other. What does it have to do with it? ---TheKerberos01 (talk) 02:48, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you're saying. You cannot use Wikipedia as a webhost. Read User pages. If you don't want to read, understand, and adhere to the policies of the website you are using for whatever goal it is you're using it for, then you will be stopped from editing it. Drmies (talk) 00:51, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * These are typical admins excuse that the person "does not understand" and then points exactly to the Wikipedia guidelines. (My opinion) - And just because they are admin does not mean they can do anything. But now I know admins like them who are just not able to argue, do not control properly, claim that you broke a rule, and so on. But as I slowly seem to get here, you do not even want help. And then you do not have to be surprised that the ganezn Wikiepdias is an unreliable website. But if you're constantly reversing edits that have better or more information or deleting something and claiming that a rule has been violated, then it's clear that Wikipedia is an unreliable and sometimes incorrect source of information. I did not even use my own page as a web host, just put in a separate table with the character name and the game, no link, no description of the topic. As I said before, what if it was all invented? Is it also a "web host"? And since I do not do anything one-to-one, it's definitely not a web host. ---TheKerberos01 (talk) 03:13, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Your last "it" doesn't even have an antecedent. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It's not a free site for personal projects unrelated to the encyclopedia project. You've been using the pages provided to you by Wikipedia for purposes that don't appear to have anything to do with the encyclopedia. It's not "your site" or "your userpage." It's Wikipedia's. You are not entitled to use them in any way you please, regardless of what you've done on the German Wikipedia.  Acroterion   (talk)   01:34, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I left a note on their user page too, with a link to Web hosting service... BTW I see nothing similar in their edits on the German wiki, though there's a whole bunch of warnings in their talk page history. Drmies (talk) 01:36, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Not an antecedent. Editor was clearly referring to Cousin Itt. I once planted three hectares of avocados in the California State talk page. As climate change has forced me to move my fields to British Columbia, I’m now selling my private property in the California State article on eBay. O3000 (talk) 01:43, 27 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I do not understand her answer exactly. ((The question refers to Drmies (01:30, 27 April 2019). I had already sent it, but was not saved because of an intermediate processing.)) ---TheKerberos01 (talk) 01:55, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Regret on article deletion
I regret that English Wikipedia is full of racial discrimination. If it happens in western artists, there is no problem to keep this article. Why don't you delete the scandal content part in Andy Hui and Jacqueline Wong, but only point against the article? I think I do not have any problem on it because the incident is spread worldwide. It is easy to find the news sources. There is nothing harming the two artists Ckh3111 (talk) 12:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * How do I say this delicately? This is a bunch of bullshit (to the extent that I understand what you are trying to say), and possibly the worst attempt ever at blaming "racism". If you can't play by the rules, play somewhere else. Drmies (talk) 12:29, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * What the hell are you doing here? I need a review of that novel ASAP.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:07, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You mean The Woman Who Rides Like a Man? I finished it but already forgot half of it. It's OK. I might be a tad too old for it. And now I'm really off: my brand-new Nokia 7.1 broke down within a week. Drmies (talk) 13:17, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Black Leopard, Red Wolf. We were just talking about the lousy quality of new technology. It's your own fault for owning a smartphone.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:35, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I do not say any foul language but not you. Wikipedia is not yours. You have deleted the article and that's all. Please do not use some negative words "warning". I cannot accept it. Ckh3111 (talk) 13:12, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That also doesn't make sense. You accused me and, I suppose, the other editors of racial discrimination. If my deletion was "all" you shouldn't be here complaining and insulting. Drmies (talk) 13:16, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I just think you should not take advantage of your winning to issue warning on me. I cannot promise to create articles that must fit your ideas later. Ckh3111 (talk) 14:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:00, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

And another Shakira111 sock
Seems they are on a two week cycle... appears, you might want to have a look. --Muhandes (talk) 10:13, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

User page deleted
Hello, I was contacted by User:Derpdadoodle about his user page. It was deleted without notification and the history was made private by an admin. I was wondering, was this was mistakenly done? Noah Talk 23:33, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I fixed your link. It probably didn't require entire suppression, but it definitely needed to have some of the content removed. Primefac (talk) 23:37, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * While I was at it, I restored their page (removing the content that didn't need to be there). Primefac (talk) 23:45, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you ., I don't really mind, but why did you come here? ANI 2.0 was deleted years ago... Drmies (talk) 00:00, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I came here because you are a reputable admin. I saw you were online and brought this here in hopes of getting Derpdadoodle's situation resolved in a timely manner. Noah Talk 00:15, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Ha, well in that case! Drmies (talk) 00:16, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * citation needed Leviv&thinsp;ich 00:24, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Kalogeropoulos is an admin in greek wikipedia, and he banned me forever
Where can I complain? Antibaskin (talk) 00:33, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * On the Greek Wikipedia. And Facebook. Drmies (talk) 00:34, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I've heard Twitter is a great place to vent. Primefac (talk) 00:35, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm you should add that to Primefac on Twitter. Drmies (talk) 00:36, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * He is an admin in greek wikipedia, and he banned me forever because of these 2 links I provided. Isnt any international board who punish wikipedia admins who do not behave properly? Antibaskin (talk) 00:39, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , the first place you should contest the ban is on your talk page on the Greek Wikipedia. If you keep it up with the harassment on enwiki, you might end up with a similar fate here... Primefac (talk) 00:40, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, he doesn't have access to his Talk page at el.wiki. For the moment, he does here, so he'll be able to complain about my block., you might want to consider changing the current block at el.wiki for to indefinite.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:50, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * If he behaves the same way after his block, ignoring 4 admins, violating rules, using puppets and adding allegations against pirate party without proving them, with proper references, of cource he will be banned indefinitely. Thank you--Kalogeropoulos (talk) 09:03, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Leave it to Bbb to up the excitement level... Drmies (talk) 01:59, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Request for protecting Aguri (caste) from persistent vandalism
Hi Drmies; would request you or any other admin active here, to check the article on Aguri (caste), and protect the same. This article has been a subject of persistent vandalism as evident from its Revision History. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 06:40, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I see edits from only one user, who hadn't even been welcomed... If you had discussed matters with them (outside of terse edit summaries) some administrative action could be considered, but I can hardly block them or lock the article now: I am convinced that the editor wasn't trying to vandalize the article. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 14:21, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Quick revdel question
Do you think this edit is worth revision deleting per WP:RD2? It's not insulting per se but it just looks like the writings of a dirty old man, if you ask me - although possibly unintentionally. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:24, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think so--while it's written in some awful and sexist fan style, but I don't see overtly sexualized or so in there (and I can imagine a younger person writing it too). Maybe I'm not the best one to judge though. Drmies (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Comment at AN
I did not want to comment on the thread at AN since I wasn't willing to further go on with ranting about your blocks and opinions on that thereof, at AN. I don't have much knowledge of or insight into any pattern. You say this and go on to back it up with — I'd rather he retract and apologize unequivocally enough, so that we (or y'all) can consider the rest without this becoming solidified into a community ban by a kind of default. I am not surprised you did not delve into the matter at all but made a comment on the surface about an outcome you favour. This is why I accused administrators of the repeated inaction and "downplaying". Only if you could have formed an opinion on the matter before making a short-sighted comment, you would not have made my point for me. It would be more acceptable if you noted that the pattern I was talking of, is not a pattern or something along that line, I would personally disagree with you but atleast I would know an administrator at least looked into it before giving just any opinion. --qedk (t 桜 c) 20:39, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know how you know what outcome I favor. Nor do I know what point you made that I apparently confirmed. The past of the now-blocked editor is a separate matter, at least for me: I blocked for an unacceptable insult. I do now know what you think admins are "downplaying"--I certainly do not want to downplay a sexist insult. Drmies (talk) 20:44, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * ..so that we (or y'all) can consider the rest without this becoming solidified into a community ban by a kind of default.
 * ..all the more reason for Legacypac to act swiftly and decisively..
 * I hope that those favoring an unblock (which includes a few editors/admins whom I respect very much) will suggest this to him as well, lest this indeed turn into something that will be much harder to get out of.
 * It is not difficult at all to see which outcome you favour. No one said you are "downplaying" anything w.r.t. sexist insults - lest you connect dots that don't exist. I quoted myself where I said administrators should stop "downplaying" the years of disruption Legacypac has continued. The point I made was It is absolutely insulting to see administrators ignore years of incivil and battleground behaviour to make a point. If you had tried to find a pattern (or lack thereof), you would understand my position. I was simply asking you to try to delve into the matter before making observations on the surface. --qedk (t 桜 c) 20:52, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

New user
I tried but I'm not good at this sort of thing. The user's edits are a mixture of clear policy violations (unsourced biographical data or unreliably sourced biographical data) and sneakier edits that shouldn't be done the way they are doing it, but not necessarily policy violations. They have a weird pattern of editing as well, and I strongly suspect this is not their first account (I have more on that I could share privately if you're interested). Anyway, if you feel like spending some of your valuable time ... .--Bbb23 (talk) 15:29, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Send for new admin on the block,, he should be able to get through if anyone can. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:42, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Wait--he made it? Drmies (talk) 16:58, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well that's what it says here.... Ritchie333 <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:59, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I hope someone does something because I'm tired of reverting and probably will stop, either right now or shortly, haven't decided.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:06, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry I'm multitasking--trying to get WP installed. Drmies (talk) 17:09, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * WP?? Last I looked Wikipedia was working okay, at least as well as it ever does. Weird prima donnas? Wacky parvenus? I'm stumped.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:40, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * WordPress? --valereee (talk) 18:16, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * WordPerfect, Bbb. I know, you don't like writing. Drmies (talk) 19:56, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * When I have to write, I don't use WordPerfect. Word may have some problems, but, IMNSHO, it's superior.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:59, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Kind of bummed it's not Winsome Pig --valereee (talk) 20:34, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks to the expert at sock identification,, CH-BUESI is now blocked.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:10, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Favonian is the king. Hey Favonian, I just ran into a reference to Negermagasinet. Is that title (still) in any way appropriate? Drmies (talk) 19:56, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I had a look at the contributions for CH-BUESI. Really strange, they had searched through all sorts of records of births, marriages and deaths and they seem genuine, but the content they were sourcing didn't quite fit (like the source says "Jeillo A. D. Edwards" and they use it support "Jeillo Angela Doris Edwards". I was going to engage with them to see if I could help after I got back, but I found them blocked as a sock of Dopenguins. I guess this was straightforward trolling, and I'm grateful to for saving me from wasting my time and empathy. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 20:59, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Drmies! I hope you're having a good day. I'm messaging you about this user because you indicated in your block summary that this account was a sock. The only thing I could find on the account was the edit they made here. Unless you saw this edit elsewhere, I'm just curious to know what exactly you saw that led you to believe that this account was a sock puppet user, and where the behavioral evidence compares. Not an urgent priority request or anything; just curious and wanted to ask. :-) Cheers -  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   03:24, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Look at the names they inserted. That's what I saw after I noticed the similarity in user names. CU placed them roughly in the same location--but the name they inserted is what clinches it already. What we kind of need to ask, and I'll leave that to you since you're about to look at the edits, no doubt, is whether we should revdelete the edits... Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:59, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Tire
Hi Drmies, there's a discussion at Talk:Tire where you may be able help two editors come to a consensus. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 20:32, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd like to help but I'm in the middle of final exams... Maybe one of the friendly talk page watchers can help? Drmies (talk) 01:35, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Here's hoping you pass.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:24, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I hear the Prof for that course is a real hardass. -- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 18:08, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well I walked into the room and this business professor I know said "what are you doing here?" Final is tomorrow. But it's multiple choice, haha. Drmies (talk) 19:47, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Do you remember who else was involved in......
....blocking // etc. was anyone involved in systematic reviewing their material on snake (and other) articles? helped clean up black mamba, which I buffed for FA-hood. Am in process of looking at the others now - Eastern green mamba (focussing on this one first), Western green mamba, Black-necked spitting cobra and Many-banded krait. None are coming up with copyvio alerts and his writing improved after the early flowery efforts on black mamba (i.e. I am not finding anything that indicates any of these should be delisted from GA-hood automatically as yet and figuring the best way is to just buff them and work them over to FA-hood). I am trying to check the sources as I go as I did find problems in black mamba with reference and text not aligning....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

PS: also pinging as they are interesting in poisonous thingies (remember the arachnid in berlin..hehehe)...are vertebrates ok? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:29, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey Casliber--I don't think I systematically reviewed their stuff--just enough to make the sock identification. I cannot tell you exactly whether I spotted serious problems content-wise, but it is possible I just may not remember. Nor do I remember any details of who was involved, and if the block logs or talk pages don't show it, then I don't know where to look for it. Weren't they doing GA reviews as well? I think that's what tipped me off. Odd--I was thinking of them a couple of weeks ago. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 01:19, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok coolcoolcoolcool...I'll discuss this on the wikiproject board. 03:43, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

MOS:FLAG
Could you please add Dudley Hewitt Cup to your watchlist regarding the inappropriate use of flags as per MOS:FLAG? Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 17:42, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't use a watchlist, but I appreciate your removal there. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 22:34, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Wow
Hello D. I just noticed that you have yet one more job on top of everything else you do. I know you are busy so I will just say best wishes to you as the current semester winds down. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 01:33, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ha, thanks--I saw that! But I hear the cocktails are great and the view over the East River magnificent. I fancy myself like Cary Grant walking through the lobby, but without dudes trying to kill me of course. Drmies (talk) 01:42, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * He's upgraded to comparing me to you instead of comparing me to Ks0stm. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:45, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I suppose that's better? I'd hate to be KsOstm--I'd have to think about my name all the time. But I wish he'd stop; it quit being fun a couple of years ago. Drmies (talk) 01:50, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, anyway, I'll get a steward to lock this round of them at SRG so we don't get notifications on the Dutch Wiktionary. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:54, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Yuval Bronshtein
Hi, I saw your comment but as I can't remember what it involved It's difficult to comment. As it was redacted as a "Serious BLP violations" I can guess but I'm not sure where I should have "reported this one rightaway"? AIV would have refused as no LV4 warning first, and the BLP Noticeboard says "repeatedly adding defamatory.... over an extended period." I have seen what I deemed to be very offensive things before which admins have not deemed worth redacting when blocking users. It appears to be a very much up to individual opinion/interpretation.... and as I'm err not considered neurotypical I gave up trying to guess what norms would deem RD2. If there is another place to report such things and/or any guidelines as to how to judge what admins will deem RD2 I would be happy to report. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 09:32, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey--yeah, it was bad, and it was part of a pattern by a couple of IPs (possibly the same person) in two articles. I was alerted via User_talk:2601:188:180:1481:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63. If you make report at AIV, you can place a note saying "unacceptable BLP violation, revdel please", and any conscientious administrator will take that seriously. You can also drop a quick note on WP:AN, for instance. I wouldn't go to BLPN with something like that: you want an admin to take swift action. You can also check (this is what I do when I'm IP-slumming) Recent changes to see which admins are on call, and post a note on the talk page of the prettiest or smartest or nicest one... Yes, we don't all have exactly the same standards: I prefer to scrub on the side of caution, but if one turns you down, don't be discouraged--they're doing what they think is right. Ask another, and see what they say. You're also welcome to post here: there's a handful of wonderful colleagues who may notice it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:23, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

George Eaton
I have received a number of notification messages from you while I was in the middle of editing the Controversy section of George Eaton's entry. I find it extremely high-handed and disingenuous of you to interfere in the middle of my editorial process and then to characterise me as the disruptive one. I do not spend my life on wikipedia and so don't always know the ins and outs of how to do things technically (as in how to post remarks about remarks, etc.) That, however, does not mean I don't know what I am attempting to do in the first place. In the first instance, I wanted to eliminate the false conflation of the actual interview of Sir Roger Scruton by George Eaton and the article that Mr Eaton wrote on the basis of that interview. I also wanted to be more neutral about the nature of Sir Roger's remarks because otherwise wikipedia would be contributing to the defamation of this person when clearly that the at the very heart of the controversy in the first place. Then, closing out the controversy to date, I wanted to add the latest information about the "Scruton Affair" (as the New Statesman called it), by that same organ. In the course of this, I needed to check my own work and make sure it flowed correctly. You barged in and hi-jacked this process before I had finished accusing me of being disruptive. You owe me an apology for your baseless claims. Vancouveriensis (talk) 20:46, 3 May 2019 (UTC) Vancouveriensis (talk) 21:15, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't live my life on Wikipedia either, but I still manage to read edit summaries, and write them. "Sir Roger" was in no way defamed--but that also is an issue you could have taken up on the noticeboard or on the talk page. Drmies (talk) 20:49, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Talk about obscurantism. You didn't give me the opportunity to write any edit summary. Why would I bother to read one if it were to entrench inaccuracy? You had better be pretty sure of yourself if you think that Sir Roger was not being defamed in being called a racist based on his remarks being twisted by his interviewer as the New Stateman has now more or less admitted. The jury of what will happen to Mr Eaton is still out.Vancouveriensis (talk) 20:56, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm I'm not, but "You didn't give me the opportunity to write any edit summary" is hilarious. Click on "History" and look at the times. Whatever the New Statesman does or doesn't do is not really of interest here; if "Sir Roger" (sorry, but I find it a bit absurd to go all "Sir Lancelot" here) has a problem with the New Statesman, that's not a Wikipedia matter. Anyway, BLPN is thatttaway. Drmies (talk) 22:11, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

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phrasing
Hi, don't think we have met and I'm just buzzing by. Can I share a couple of observations about LP's block? Thinking out loud really, maybe I should do that elsewhere. I'm in the odd position of supporting an unblock, but agree with and support the conversion to indef for the reasons given. Can I explain how that is not fence-sitting? Regards, cygnis insignis 07:13, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Cygnis insignis, you don't need to explain to me how that is or isn't fence-siting; I dig where you're coming from. I think it's a position likely shared by many editors, at least the ones who aren't involved with or the victims of LP's other (alleged!) disruption. I am still hoping that LP sees reason and does the right thing... And that those other matters are dealt with, separately. It seems clear that there is something to deal with, but I think it should be done outside of that discussion. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:29, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. I'm not expecting LP to have a sudden realisation, why the unblock response (as a verb) greatly compounded the concern, or that the effect ripples out beyond those involved. Have a good one. cygnis insignis 23:55, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Drmies, for me, the word "phrasing" has one and only one usage... the Archer usage! (Although its description in that article isn't entirely accurate. It claims that it's "in response to any sexually suggestive remark", when it's really in response to innocent but carelessly phrased remarks which could also be interpreted in a suggestive TWSS kind of way.) And on another tangent, when I used an ellipsis above, all I could think of was Colbert reading "dot dot dot" from Trump tweets. Anyways, what actually brought me here was that on my kitchen counter I currently have some kumquats right next to some loquats, and that, naturally, reminded me of you. I don't think I've left you a note here since you solicited a rant from me in March, so I thought I'd drop by and say "hi" even though I've got diddly-squat else to say. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  06:58, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tugelbay Sydykbekov
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Nomination of Rich Carter for deletion
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Recent reverts
You have reverted a number of edits by, giving as edit summary only "rv unexplained". Several, if not all, of the edits which you reverted were perfectly constructive. For example, some of them replaced redlinks to Sungura with piped links to Music of Zimbabwe, which is much more helpful. Perhaps creating a redirect from Sungura would have been even more helpful than changing the links, but reverting the edits was totally unhelpful. Did you actually check the links before you reverted them? Also, if you thought there were problems with so many edits from one new editor would it not have been a good idea to have dropped them a message explaining what your concerns were? JamesBWatson (talk) 11:22, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * JamesBWatson, ordinarily yes--but I already knew there was socking going on, the only question was who it was. Funny that you spent some time on the same one I spent time on: yes, the Sungura link was good and that you think a redirect would be good is exactly what I was thinking, but removing red links from the record label was not, IMO. Drmies (talk) 13:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Sock, again
In reference to this user, I have to warn him again, for content/source removal and original research. Dan56 (talk) 16:00, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm but they're citing a source, and there was an edit summary... Drmies (talk) 16:01, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The source they replaced the previous with only supports the end-date-range change; the previous citation supported the entire text of those two sentences in the lead. Dan56 (talk) 16:15, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure, they may be wrong, but I can't call that vandalism. Drmies (talk) 16:24, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It shows a continued pattern of disruptive editing at a specific article, given previous warnings for stronger offenses there. If they do something more disruptive, I'll let you know. Dan56 (talk) 20:37, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You remember the old RfC process--it might could have been a good fit for that, I don't know. But honestly, and you know I speak my mind, I couldn't get disruption out of that one edit for reasons given above. Now, if they start edit warring over it, for instance, that's a different matter. Drmies (talk) 20:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Unrelated... Someone, who has been using multiple IPs the past few days to vandalize songwriting credits at articles like House of Music and The Revival (album) (which I undid), used another to post this at my talk page. Dan56 (talk) 01:45, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm I wonder how he really feels. But judging from geolocation they have nothing to do with each other. Drmies (talk) 02:16, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I seem to keep rubbing people the wrong way. Maybe you can offer him another opinion or advice, so he can calm down. Dan56 (talk) 20:05, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

templates and complicated process still flummox me after 10 years
Hey good doctor, how are you? I see you are around Template talk:Did you know stuff. I just submited an article Template:Did you know nominations/Matt Farley (musician) (salvaged from Articles for Creation, just the sort of crazy fun thing I like, something actually worthy of DYK), and reviewed this one Template:Did you know nominations/Jakub Wędrowycz closely (also something worthy of DYK even though I didn't write it), and think it should pass, but I can't figure out the template up there to show "passed". Would you spare a few minutes for a dummy like me to help clean it up? Thanks!--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken 20:14, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Update: Another editor kindly fixed Template:Did you know nominations/Jakub Wędrowycz, but you are still welcome to review Template:Did you know nominations/Matt Farley (musician), a man who almost makes a living off writing songs about poop.--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken 21:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * "tick"
 * Anyway, sure, but not tonight: I've been doing celebratory drinking, haha. Drmies (talk) 00:27, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

odd.... just odd....
Can you check the goings on at the page I last edited, and its associated talk? Something's just not right. How does such a barely-notable topic garner so much attention, both pro and con, so vehemently, from so many new accounts? 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 19:59, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * User:78.26, let's invite over for a party. Maybe with some noodles and ham? Drmies (talk) 21:12, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You had me at "party". And "noodles". And then again at "ham".-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 21:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like it was taken care of. Thank you  and good Doctor!  I guess it wasn't as extensive as I thought, and that's saying something considering how many were blocked.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 21:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ponyo rules. I wish she got paid by the block. Then again, if we did that we'd have to fork all the Foundation's money over to Bbb. Drmies (talk) 21:25, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I get paid by the MegaBlock. 1 MegaBlock = 15,000 blocks. After 8 years I'm ←→ close to picking up my first paycheque! It appears that you're going to beat me to it though, so the celebratory drinks are on you.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 21:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Megablock party? DMacks (talk) 21:39, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer a Mega block party.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 21:42, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed. DMacks (talk) 22:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Redoshi
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * An interesting read, thank you! Leviv&thinsp;<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich 02:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Even more amazing is that my co-teacher lives in the same county, and this was news to her. Drmies (talk) 13:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Ring-a-ding, baby!

 * You're cryin' in the rain, pal... Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 15:02, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Writ Keeper, why don't you do something useful? Joseph Wright, a man who like Ali Eisami was enslaved and later settled in Sierra Leone, might need an article... Thanks pal! Drmies (talk) 15:05, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Dude I'm sorry to hear that. Drmies (talk) 15:07, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I'm fine, I'm sorry, I shouldn't joke like that (or, for that matter, like the first joke in this thread, but that's just because it wasn't funny). Just feeling really down about a lot of personal things. Depression, I don't know, maybe, but not crippling. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 15:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I am sorry. I know the feeling. I sometimes write articles here to occupy myself in a sometimes productive way. Lately I've become interested in the history of enslaved African people and I ran into one yesterday, from this list--there's a lot of people on it who need articles. Anyway, take care of yourself WK. I know you as a fine human being. Drmies (talk) 15:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Maribyrnong
Not out of nowhere - it's CC-BY material. Nice way to fill a big gap in coverage. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 05:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

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Legal threat?
is engaged in a rather hostile content dispute at WP:COIN and WP:BLPN. They state they are the partner of an article subject, Guy McPherson, and that recent reverts of their additions are "vandalism". In the midst of others trying to explain to them the intricacies of WP:COI, they made this comment on their own talk page. The last sentence, "This could become a legal issue as it seems Wikipedia promotes the misrepresentation of an individual on his BRP [sic]," looks like a borderline legal threat. Is that over the WP:NLT line or just edging up to it? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think I would block for that, but I hope someone dropped them an "only warning" pointing to NLT. So yes, I think it's just on this side of the borderline, though I wouldn't be surprised if some admins would block for the chilling effect alone. And if, for instance, that threat of a threat had been preceded by a bunch of douchebaggery, it might simply be the straw that breaks the camel's back, enough for a harassment block. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:25, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you so much for a voice of sanity. I was seriously starting to doubt myself. I used to enjoy editing - but now I dread going online :( Contaldo80 (talk) 02:31, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to hear that. I do not understand what made that editor so persistent on that particular topic. If this is more widespread, maybe you want to consider ANI... Drmies (talk) 02:35, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Drmies, there's already an AN/I section started on May 9 concerning the editor I think you're referring to. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:44, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Shakira111 again
this time, SPI here. Sadly they learned how to pass semi-protection. --Muhandes (talk) 09:57, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It'll have to be decided on behavior--or with the help of a CU who knows what the technical details are. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 00:26, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Destination maps
I was merely repeating what this editor said. I'm not really involved with WP:AVIATION that much, and he OTOH seems to be, so maybe you'd want to ask him. Daniel Case (talk) 03:47, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Let's see if they respond to the ping. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 03:48, 15 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Destination maps have been discussed at WP:AIRPORTS many times and the general consensus is that they should not be included. For large airports it is quite difficult to keep them up to date and accurate. There is also the problem of some destination maps being unreadable due to the sheer amount of destinations. In the case of Stewart International Airport these issues probably wouldn't arise, but the project-wide policy is not to include them. Thanks, <span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS',serif;color:green">VG31 11:00, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks . So that leaves the question of what to do with this here. Can you leave them a note and point them in the right direction? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:28, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

86.24.199.0
Hello. You said in February that if 86.24.199.0 starts mass-prodding articles again, you would block the IP. Now it's time to do it. The edits are obviously insane, including re-adding the PROD templates to articles that were prodded by the IP before (which is not allowed), e.g.. The IP is obviously not interested in feedback at all. Blocking is the only possible form of communication here.—J. M. (talk) 01:01, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Tongva
Hello, Drmies,

I, Harryawhite, propose that the article "Tongva" be deleted on the grounds that it violates Wikipedia's Common Name Policy:

"What's in a name?" asks the Bard of Avon. "That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet."

"Well, a rose is a rose as you say," I say, "but a Native American is a horse of a different color. That which we call Kizh by any other name, e.g., Tongva, would stink to high Heaven."

Long before 1993, twenty-six years ago, which is a short time ago in the history of the Gabrielenos (from 1769), the only legitimate band of San Gabriel Mission Indians were doing everything in their power to hang on to their heritage. Persevering, they were hanging on as best they could dealing with priests and soldiers and the powerful nations and cultures of Spain and Mexico. And persevering to this day they hang on as best they can dealing with the United States, the most powerful nation and culture in the world. Now they have something else to worry about — the Tongva.

Doing what they can to hang on to what little is left of their heritage hasn't gotten any easier for the Gabrielenos. In 1993 some outsiders, non-Indian academics, etc., began attending their meetings and boning up on their culture. Then these attendees went out and attached the word "Tongva" (sounds like "Tonto") to "Gabrieleno" and — Voila! — the Tongva-Gabrieleno tribe (hyphen phonies) and the Tongva/Gabrieleno tribe (slash phonies) out of thin air, in the hope of gaining federal recognition and developing a casino and making themselves fabulously rich, basically.

Since 1993 the Gabrielenos have had to deal with the Tongva who purport to be Gabrielenos. There was no such thing as a Tongva tribe before 1993, sadly the Tongvas have been very effective in the promotion of themselves since then, thus they get more "hits" than the Gabrielenos, though they the Gabrielenos have been around since the first Spaniard called out "Gabrieleno" (adding the suffix) to some poor San Gabriel Mission (Native American) slave from the San Gabriel area.Harryawhite (talk) 23:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Listen, neither the slash group nor the hyphen group will ever receive federal recognition, because there is no such thing as a tribe of Tongva. Federal recognition is not going to happen for these pretendians, ever. As for developing a casino, the State of California denied them in 1994. A casino is not going to happen for these pretendians, ever.

But the hyphen and slash groups are far better, far more effective in the promotion of themselves (i.e., developing sources) than the original tribe, unfortunately; thus, Wikipedia gladly accepts articles such as "Tongva," "Tongva Populated Places," and "Tongva Language," etc., for publication, bogus though they may be; not to mention numerous others who are happy enough or gullible enough to publish Tongva articles, and books even, each of which does further harm to the San Gabriel Band of Mission Indians in their struggle to do what they can to hang on to what little is left of their heritage. And the Tongva will continue to promote themselves federal recognition or not, casino or not, come hell or high water. Make no mistake, each and every time someone reads the word "Tongva" the Gabrielenos fade a little further into history. As Tongva grows Gabrieleno fades. Any right-thinking individual would hate to see what little is left of their heritage disappear forever.

I don't believe that Wikipedia knowingly supports these pretendians in their efforts to promote themselves into a common and accepted name but they do; ignorance is no excuse. The Gabrielenos, the legitimate band of Native Americans, should not be discarded and abandoned in favor of a bogus band that gets "more hits" or has a "more common name" — give the Gabrielenos a break! — putting too high a premium on or giving too much credence to promotion, i.e., making "more hits," bogus or not, the be-all and end-all in the discussion for acceptance for publication, is a big mistake.

The Tongva admit in their Wikipedia article titled "Tongva" that the villages inhabited by the Gabrielenos (and other slaves of other missions) were inhabited by Native Americans who called themselves the "People of the Willowhouse." "Kizh" (the closest thing to a pan-tribal name for these Native Americans) or "People of the Willowhouse" is the only legitimate name, the only legitimate title for articles about these Native Americans or the villages they lived in or the language they spoke. Tongva this or Tongva that is illegitimate and harmful.

In closing, neither the Tongva-Gabrielenos nor the Tongva/Gabrielenos have the right to attach the word "Tongva" to "Gabrieleno," and then promote the hell out of themselves for the sole benefit of themselves. They are mercenaries. Furthermore, Wikipedia had no business accepting, has no business publishing "Tongva" on its website — it's a slap in the face to the Gabrielenos, "The People of the Willowhouse." What's worse, it's nothing less than blatant support of cultural appropriation, pure and simple and evil.

Harryawhite (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)Harryawhite (talk) 23:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)Harryawhite (talk) 23:31, 15 May 2019 (UTC) Should Wikipedia's editors, or whoever it is that decides whether or not an article should be deleted, do the right thing and delete "Tongva," I would be happy to fill in the gap with an article titled "The People of the Willowhouse," if approved by the Gabrielenos.

Please see my stuff on the Tongva talk page.Harryawhite (talk) 16:48, 15 May 2019 (UTC) Please see my stuff. Help me help the Gabrielenos. Thank you.Harryawhite (talk) 01:58, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry D, I like paragraph breaks too. It's here for you because I saw your name on my talk page. Thought you might be interested, sorry.Harryawhite (talk) 02:02, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Harryawhite, sure--but PLEASE let me give you some advice before you get blocked indefinitely. a. That edit warring, going back and forth and restoring your own edits, is going to lead to a block, no doubt about it. Stop fighting "in" the article, please. b. You are using a lot of words--too many for most editors, probably. c. We HAVE to go by what reliable sources say, and that is the problem here. For instance, in some of your edits you include a link to the Amazon page for a book--it is not clear whether that book is written by a reputable author, published by a reputable press, and can count as a reliable source (see WP:RS). On the contrary, points to what they think are reliable sources, and present an argument--your argument involves too much "That's my story and I'm sticking to it". Without reliable sources you won't get anywhere, and namedropping E. Gary Stickel, Ph.D., means nothing unless you present the published reference. d. I blanked what you wrote on Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Log/2019 May 14, since you're barking up the wrong tree--and that's not even a tree. In general, I strongly suggest you read up on what Wikipedia is and figure out how it works, before you start dropping these heaps of text all over the place--and that you consider that the reader/editor here wants short, readable paragraphs and, especially, reliable sources. And read this: . Sure, there's debate, and this author says "Tongva" is preferred. Thing is, their opinion, argument and all, was published in a book, and that trumps a lot--and I doubt you're going to go to the University of Nebraska Press and yell at them for being cultural appropriators. We reflect, or should reflect, what the sources say. Good luck. Drmies (talk) 02:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * For anyone interested, a version of the above -- or most of it -- with paragraph breaks seems currently to be at User:Harryawhite (while stocks last). MPS1992 (talk) 21:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I do love paragraph breaks! Harry, I have no idea what you are talking about. Or why this is here. Drmies (talk) 00:19, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Holy wall o' text, Batman! John from Idegon (talk) 01:11, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

New message from DannyS712
DannyS712 (talk) 02:35, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

i think
there is some disjuncture somewhere... JarrahTree 14:20, 16 May 2019 (UTC) "I, for one, ell very disjunctured.14:22, 16 May 2019 (UTC)~


 * there is an element of either absurdity or some bizarre surreality that the late john antrobus or maybe milliganus spikus could have created a film, perhaps a play, about the sock that constantly inhabits its own court of judgement from the wrong side of the room and constantly speaks in a language that suggests either a severe case of austic incomprehension or perhaps sheer delight in leaving meaningless linguistic clues that would make the ghost of the late umberto ecco want to return to life to create a whole tome about loops in the reality/time/space discjuncture, or something like that...JarrahTree 14:27, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * please excuse the complex allusions to obscure long dead english playwriters (well almost) - it wasnt my intention - it was more frustation at some aspects of how an indonesian sock is constantly appearing in its own checkuser space - spooky to say the least, however the very good cu from the fair archipelago is putting some processes in place... long time not menace this talk page - surprised some smart page watcher hasnt dropped in to allude to the veritable merits of possible puns about ecco, antrobus or their mate the perennially depressed miliganus spikus JarrahTree 14:39, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


 * do you mean like this, or a different way? MPS1992 (talk) 00:13, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * more or less JarrahTree 00:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm most of that goes over my head, as does some of the stuff in the ANI discussion. I see that Floquenbeam had a concise comment there, and I typically trust his judgment--but I'm not about to dive into another matter I'm not familiar with. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Tugelbay Sydykbekov
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

DS/alerts
So, Drmies - what exactly did you find so important that you couldn't resist adding a second paragraph to house your off-topic comment? I thought of a few possibilities but nothing that went beyond mean-spirited or obliquely threatening. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 18:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC) I was reading through the Analects, and came across the ancient Chinese curse: nìng wéi tàipíng quan, mò zuò luàn lí rén. I think it refers to the very early days of Wikidom. My Ancient Chinese is a bit rusty. But, near as I can figure, it translates to: “May you have an interesting talk page”. Some may think this off-topic; but I like popcorn.. O3000 (talk) 23:59, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm that was off-topic? But the "threatening" note is a nice touch. Drmies (talk) 18:20, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * And that means??? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 22:17, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't understand; I'm sorry. Let me try again. The general tenor of the first remark was, "My post was off-topic but your post wasn't?" Meaning also, you're on an arbitration page and you are including conversational and colloquial content that some might say was irrelevant, others might call appropriate, many apparently thought was puzzling. And: "That you call my note threatening is a clever rhetorical trick, by which you suggested that the person criticizing a comment of yours was actually threatening you personally." It's kind of like yelling "I'm being oppressed"--except that that guy was actually being manhandled. Like, if I were to scream bloody murder cause you came to my talk page to make comments, and I'd call that harassment or whatever. Some people do that. Yes, I think that crying foul over a DS warning when someone's already had one is a bit, I don't want to say "snowflakey" because that's usually a right-wing word, and I don't want to use the words "triggering" and "safe spaces" because making fun of those terms is usually a right-wing tactic to belittle the real trauma felt by real people, so Ima just call it exaggerated. Which I think I did. If I didn't, I'll be glad to come back and add more words. Atsme, you got better things to do than to try and either befriend or cajole me. We're just editors here. Drmies (talk) 22:28, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * In Texas, we call bullhonkey BULLHONKEY. For one thing, I didn't "cry foul over a DS warning" and if that's what you believe, that's your problem, not mine. I explained what triggered my request, and for you to intimidate me and try to belittle me over an innocent request that I felt would be helpful to admins and editors alike speaks volumes about you, not me. I know exactly what you did and what you're trying to do now, and I don't appreciate it. Thanks for your little strawman explanation and failed attempt at gaslighting - it served to confirm exactly what I said you did when you alluded to my t-ban, pretending not to know it was successfully appealed, and some bullhonkey about Bill Gates. Shame on you, Drmies. Feel free to hat this discussion and save yourself further embarrassment. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 23:24, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Next time you have a "request", post it on some discussion page. If you felt "intimidated" by my comments (sorry, I'm trying to keep from laughing), that's too bad. How about I don't hat this, so the popcorn gallery can see how you swing this way and that. That topic ban of yours was a great thing; whoever agreed to shelve it was a fool. You know what they say in Alabama? "Bless her heart". Drmies (talk) 23:55, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ha, I don't really care for popcorn at all myself. Two, three years ago I had more patience than I do today. The latest installment in that thing (cause I'm not quite sure what it is) is this edit, which tellingly starts with "No, that is not the purpose or intent. There is obviously a misunderstanding". What a surprise. Drmies (talk) 00:05, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Merely participating in that filing (I’m embarrassed to say) uses more time than you would use deleting a decade of DS alerts. O3000 (talk) 00:14, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, Drmies - I encourage you to feel cozy when the pile-ons begin. As you advised me once...somebody out there is collecting diffs. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 02:33, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Haha, that's not even obliquely threatening. Drmies (talk) 02:42, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Question
Hi Drmies, I want to ask you about something. It's something that makes me feel uncomfortable in Wikipedia. I said something when I was still new in Wikipedia. And that thing was really stupid and I want to remove it. I want to remove it completely from Wikipedia. If you are able to help me please let me know I will send you an email where that stupid thing I said is.--SharabSalam (talk) 05:43, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and sent it. I'll let you know if there's anything I can do. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:16, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello
Hi Drmies: It is interesting that you feel I am trying to insert language into articles from a conservative viewpoint. Take an objective look at any Wikipedia article about a current politician. Those about conservatives include far more criticism than those about liberals - this is not just my opinion, but a well-recognized fact. The articles about Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders are no exceptions - they are written from a very supportive, left-wing viewpoint, rather than an objective, balanced viewpoint which would include criticism as well as support for various positions. A good example is AOC's support of the Green New Deal, which requires deficit spending and relies on the Modern Monetary Theory. While the Green New Deal is supported by environmental activist groups like Greenpeace, it has been roundly criticized by many renowned members of the scientific community as well as numerous economists. Yet to read the AOC article, you might wrongly conclude that the Green New Deal was going to boost the economy, rather than require an enormous investment of money and a massive increase in debt which even supporters like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez admit will be the case. However, no criticism at all of her support of the Green New Deal or its reliance on deficit spending, or indeed any criticism of her whatsoever, is allowed in the article, as it could never pass consensus of Wikipedia editors, who are by and large liberal. On the other hand, the article about President Trump paints him as a liar and racist - starting with the opening section. If criticism to this degree is allowed in an article about the President, certainly a bit of criticism is in order in an article about a controversial first-term representative. However, since the block I have not edited the AOC article to include criticism, however warranted - I simply fixed two sentences so events are now in chronological order JohnTopShelf (talk) 22:31, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I got to where you said AOC's policy requires "deficit spending". We're not here to discuss politics; you can do that anywhere you like but not on Wikipedia. I do wonder, though--if you have a problem with "deficit spending", surely you're also against recent tax policies that blow the national deficit through the roof. But I really don't give a rat's ass for your opinion on AOC's this or that (or anyone else's opinion), and my opinion on it is also irrelevant (but I'll let you in on a secret: I don't have one). I don't know how our article paints the president--I have no interest in reading it, but that he tells lies on a daily basis is a well-established fact. Reliable sources say it. And here is the crux: if reliable sources say it and you're still not liking that it's in the article, your problem is not with Wikipedia editors but with Wikipedia's rules. Anyway, what I care about is that you seem to be on a crusade. You're not even denying your POV. I'm not about to read the AOC article cause I'm trying to watch Columbo here, but I will trust that there's enough editors active there who are keeping an eye on things. That you are not getting your way is too bad, I suppose, but not surprising since the edits I saw you make were simply not in agreement with the rules here. Drmies (talk) 00:15, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Regarding posts on Admin Noticeboard
Dear user,

It is not acceptable for editors to be paid for writing articles. This is against the Wikipedia community guidelines. This is a formal noticeboard so do not post things that would mislead people that you are involved even though you are joking. Thanks. WikiAviator (talk) 04:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


 * (for those interested, this is related to this MPS1992 (talk) 12:57, 18 May 2019 (UTC) )
 * WHAT I CANT EVEN GET PAID FOR ALL MY WORK
 * User:WikiAviator, you are being very, very silly. Drmies (talk) 14:18, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in but paid contributors are impossible to prevent and actually not against policy. It obviously creates a conflict of interest, so the guideline is to disclose when you are being paid. Such editors are added to tracking categories so they can face extra scrutiny for violating WP:NPOV. Disclosing payment is welcomed and if it wasn't, it would just go underground and we'd never know who was and who wasn't paid. Is there a policy against soliciting paid contributions on-wiki? I don't know, but perhaps there is. Is there a policy against joking about it? Almost certainly not. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 22:25, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe we could have a policy against Drmies joking about it? MPS1992 (talk) 23:02, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not fully familiar with Drmies sense of humor, but it is not outside the general realm of possibility that all humor and satire could be banned (levity=bad) from Wikipedia. Is the admin noticeboard the best place to make jokes, probably not, but some people have sticks they need to remove. That said, maybe a specific joke ban or joke filter can be imposed on Drmies. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 23:44, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What if we paid him not to make jokes? He could be an undisclosed paid non-editor? More on point, it is not against policy to be a disclosed paid editor (alas), or to make jokes about paid editing on a noticeboard. -- Euryalus (talk) 23:49, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * By the way, disclosing if you're a paid editor is not just welcomed, it's mandatory. -- Euryalus (talk) 23:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * True, but how would we know if not through self-disclosure? Randomly encountering Wikipedians offering their services on Craigslist or eBay using their real user name? Otherwise, it pretty much has to be on a volunteer basis. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 00:02, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , at this stage in my life and my career I'd do just about anything to get paid, including making jokes, not making jokes, making not-jokes, and making serious remarks. I am still waiting on 's response. Who knows, they might have a job offer for me. As for a filter, y'all know that's going to be hard, for starters cause I like to use big words hahahahahaha. Sorry, gotta go--watching Columbo. Drmies (talk) 00:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Is this the one where Janet Leigh gets away with it? Only other one that I remember is when he let Faye Dunaway get away with her murder. Sucker for a pretty face. But then, Perry Mason once lost a case. O3000 (talk) 00:15, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Columbo (season 5), first episode. But I was distracted so I'm sure I missed something important. Something about pills, and I don't know what the cooking lady has to do with it. Oh! the old lady has a black cat suit! This is going to be awesome. Drmies (talk) 00:17, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes Janet Leigh! Drmies (talk) 00:18, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

But I the point is that he deleted what he said on my talk page, and this implies that he knows that his actions are not wuite right. Yes I will report vandalism for him deleting things on my talk pagr so no need to remind me and say that I am silly ok? Also, I think that articles should be written at a voluntary basis so that the articles that do not follow the notability guidelines can't be written just because they were paid.WikiAviator (talk) 05:34, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!
I really appreciate your help with a current WP:BLPCOI violation. Hoopes (talk) 22:03, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That comment was well over the line, and previous comments may be also. Glad to be of service--though I hope you understand my service is to the BLP, and I'd do this for anyone. Then again, I teach Wikipedia too, so I understand some of the things you ran into. Drmies (talk) 22:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

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Freeboy200
Freeboy200, a user blocked by you per WP:NOTHERE a year ago, appears to have continued editing under the username Johansweden27 and various IPs. See these edits by Freeboy200/194.68.94.68 and Johansweden27/83.185.82.92. Further evidence can be found at Sockpuppet investigations/Freeboy200. Swift administrative action would greatly assist in preventing trolling at Talk:Germanic peoples. Krakkos (talk) 19:27, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Ken Banks
You recently made a number of edits to Ken Banks. Recently the page was reported for paid editing. Some of your edits seem to be very similar to the "requested edits" that the paid editing company attempted to make. Can you clarify? If you were paid to make these edits, please say so. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 18:08, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What iteration of "Drmies is secretly a paid editor" are we on now? Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:20, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems to be supposedly related to this. MPS1992 (talk) 19:05, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. Regarding the "instructions" from he paid editing company that tried to hire me, this edit matches instruction #1. this edit removes the same citation as instruction #7. These come after a series of anonymous edits on the article earlier in the day. I am not trying to accuse, I am assuming good faith and asking Drmies directly as I follow up on an issue while checking on my follow-up list related to this issue. I'd ask the same of any other editor. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 19:28, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , I think these edits speak for themselves, don't they? Who, you think, would pay me for those? Jimbo? Drmies (talk) 01:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Only a few weeks ago, this pony had forgotten which template to use when they were adding someone else's work to Wikipedia. do you have an apology ready for Drmies, for your confusion? MPS1992 (talk) 23:37, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm not looking for an apology, just for some...I don't know, recognition of common sense. ? Drmies (talk) 00:34, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , Since you've decided that you should tag me in discussions with other users I am going to reply, but I had no intention of doing so previously. I have reviewed my post above, where I asked you a question about an edit, and then explained, with diffs and links, exactly why I asked that question. I did so in a respectful manner. You gave me vague and flippant responses. If that's how you want to act, that's your choice, but I will remind you that one of us is a Wikipedia administrator and the other is not. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 18:16, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ha, The Pony Toast, that's rich. Sure, you were respectful--in asking a ridiculous question, prima facie ridiculous and thus hardly of good faith. Drmies (talk) 20:33, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Is Omar back?
Hello. Can you confirm for me that this WhoaOmar that I am planning to nominate for deletion is the same as this Articles for deletion/OmarGosh that you nominated for deletion in 2017? Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 13:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Same dude but very different article. Good luck. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Lawn jockey
At lawn jockey you made the edit summary "everyone who's been around the US knows which one is the more prevalent, ". I've been around the South a lot for decades, and I've seen quite a few of the Cavalier Spirit type (three of their photos are mine) but I don't ever remember seeing the Jocko type. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Come on up to North Mississippi. My wife's uncle's wife still has one, and there's plenty more. I know people who collect them. Drmies (talk) 03:48, 25 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, the Jocko type is listed much more often on ebay, but I don't remember seeing them on people's lawns. But I haven't been to northern Mississippi.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:50, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You're not missing much, esp. this time a year. Hotter than hell. Dry county. But I'm talking out in the country; in the suburbs and the cities you probably don't run into them much. I learned some cusswords there for colored people I had never heard before. Anyway, I had never heard the term "jock" until I ran into the article. What this article needs is some good sourcing and writing. This is hard to gauge. Here's a poem, if you have JSTOR. And for a modern-day example... ...Clarence Thomas? Drmies (talk) 04:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I never heard Jocko until this article. eBay says that they are about a foot tall and are used on bookcases and for doorstops.  That may be why I don't see them outside.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)


 * My experience has been the opposite, at least between Georgia and Virginia from the 60s to present, the Jocko type accounted for at least 80% of sightings, sometimes in later years with whiteface applied. They were all over the place in Virginia in the 60s and 70s. Acroterion   (talk)   03:52, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sure they exist, but I don't actually ever recall seeing either type in NC. Given, I was never particularly looking for them, but I feel they would have been something I would have noticed... TonyBallioni (talk) 03:55, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If your savior doesn't have the initials N.S., you're not much of a Southerner. Drmies (talk) 04:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Srsly Tony, if you're in an article-writing mood, maybe you can write up Ingleside Presbyterian Church (San Francisco). Was watching something on PBS tonight and it moved me, but it's late. Drmies (talk) 04:08, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Not my best piece of writing, but Draft:Ingleside Presbyterian Church is a start. I'll try to get back around to it later this weekend. Stalkers et amici are welcome to improve it. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ingleside Presbyterian Church is located very close to where I began my CCSF college studies about 45 years ago and I still visit that neighborhood from time to time. I will try to make a mental note to take some additional photos of the church next time I am close by. If I forget, please remind me. I am getting old and need friendly reminders. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  04:00, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

A user you blocked in the past
Hello Drmies, I attempted an AIV report on User talk:Syafiqshahalam, which was declined (make sense since disruptive editing=/=vandalism on that noticeboard sometimes). So since you blocked this user before thought I would bring this to you, before I think about doing a ANI report. Since February, I have given them warnings for adding their person analysis/WP:OR, making a unsourced change/factual error, and adding unsourced content. Then after the final warning there was these two edits today, unexplained removal/incorrect content and more personal analysis. StaticVapor message me!   00:08, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm it's sad that this is rassling, where the standard of writing and sourcing is, generally speaking and in my opinion, so incredibly low that such changes are, well, par for the course. However, it is true that they're doing the same thing they were doing earlier. Drmies (talk) 01:16, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Revdel
Hi. Thanks for the block you just made - can I also trouble you to revdel Special:Permalink/899292180? Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ha--already done. Thanks for the quick revert. Drmies (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem - thanks for the even quicker revdel DannyS712 (talk) 02:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm always baffled when I see such phrasing. Obvious antisemitism (sexism, racism, etc.) is obvious.
What is your opinion about obnoxious anti-Polnism? Xx236 (talk) 07:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I have the feeling this might be a loaded question, but in principle it's the same. Drmies (talk) 14:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think he might be referring to this thread, Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents Sir Joseph (talk) 14:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * For such Xx236 gems as "How is it possible that the Jewish Poles had Jewish property?" And I don't want to keep piling on, but this this exchange points to competence issues which I'm not sure are entirely rooted in not being fluent in English. El_C 14:32, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Looking at his contributions are indeed troubling, diff where he seems to be calling out an organization for being anti antisemitic? I think? I really do think at a certain point one of our policies or guidelines come into play for him. I do suggest someone look into his contributions. Sir Joseph (talk) 21:06, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, they say: Center for Research on Prejudice are professional anti-anti-Semites. Someone ahould verify their research, but it would be politically incorrect. El_C 21:10, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , right, like that's a bad thing? In any event, he seems to be righting great wrongs, and that is putting it very mildly without resorting to more drastic words I can use. Sir Joseph (talk) 21:15, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It's 20fucking19. WTF is wrong with people. Has the been blocked yet? and has that other editor been topic-banned yet? I don't even want to look at that conversation anymore. Drmies (talk) 00:44, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Nope, neither has happened yet, sadly. Sir Joseph (talk) 01:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

The editor was blocked, but apparently not for that reason, and worse offenders are still busy in the topic area. Jayjg (talk) 16:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That thread is a text book example of why I react to ANI like Old Scratch does to Holy Water. I am constantly telling people that whatever your problem, nine times out of ten you are better off avoiding ANI. Yeah, I've been there a few times by sheer necessity. But dear G--, I don't like it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:54, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Credibility, Doktoro
In your perpetual search for youth cred, Dr mi estas, may I suggest that you avoid entirely any hint of touching a biography of a very dead person who crossed a pond to live in a country with margarine; especially as the sources are written in Foreign and not amenable to the English Professor Vacuum here.


 * Did you know &hellip; that once wrote a book entitled Butterine of margerineboter?
 * Did you know &hellip; that was nicknamed the prince of whales?

Of course, this very dead person is, but only in the Foreign section, and we have got away with not telling readers about that nieuws coverage in the article. I can only surmise that the occurrence of "Hzn" everywhere is why there are so few consonants left, by the way.

I do not know whether Antonius Hzn was involved in Unilever's takeover of Joseph Lion's Boxmeerse Bacon Compagnie, which as the name suggests was a margarine manufacturer. But the Foreign Vijkeeepeeedijieer tells us that Anton Jurgens once did something that was not against the law, according to some newspaper at any rate, which you might not have known either.

Uncle G (talk) 08:35, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * My dear Uncle, you caught me at the worst time, with an impending deadline and the summer term about to begin. Crossing the pond for margarine, that sure is something--I still think I should submit to the Dutch government for damages, for having inflicted that awful product on me for so long. I promise you I will follow up: in the meantime, let me tell you how pleased I am to see your message in that unmistakable style., look who stopped by... Thank you Uncle, Drmies (talk) 14:41, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I have been reading this fascinating book, but it's not about your butterman, and I can't easily cobble a biography together from that source. The "German" note is interesting because Van den Bergh was a Jewish family, and the Jurgens were as antisemitic as they could be. The Jurgens family, after strongarming the Oss mayor and city council to propose a harbor close to their plant, essentially managed to drive Van den Bergh out of town, to Rotterdam. Even after the Union was formed they tried to sabotage every agreement they could. There's much more of interest--the German butter factories were built after Bismarck raised tariffs (sounds like a happening thing), and business decisions were heavily dependent also on American demand and policy. Anyway, this is one rabbit hole after another, but I have not yet looked at your IS source. Drmies (talk) 16:41, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh: I don't know what illegality you were pointing at--there were at least two (besides cheating a business partner)--there was some scamming pertaining to stock value and profit, but they also broke the boterwet by selling margarine packaged with an image of cows and meadows. Ha, so we need to write up the boterwet. Drmies (talk) 16:42, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Bot-net
{{divbox|brown||3= The boterwet was a Dutch law providing for the regulation of manufacturing and controlling the sale of butter.

It was first enacted in 1889{{sfn|Lintsen|1992|p=166}}, and was partly based upon the British Margarine Act 1887, which had in turn been based upon the Danish Margarine Law 1885.{{sfn|Lampe|Sharp|2013|p=27}}{{sfn|Lampe|Sharp|2013|p=26}} All were nominally aimed at preventing the adulteration of butter with margarine (and other foodstuffs), but had been the result of lobbing by the dairy farming industry, which had come to regard the newly invented oleomargarine as a threat to dairy farmers' livelihoods.{{sfn|Lampe|Sharp|2013|p=26}}

Obligatory random bare external links

 * https://leiden.courant.nu/issue/LD/1889-07-01/edition/0/page/1
 * https://techniekinnederland.nl/nl/index.php?title=Boterwetten_in_internationaal_perspectief
 * This submission at Articles for creation is a substub about Dutch butter, for pity's sake! You can help Wikipedia.  Please.

nl:Boterwet }}
 * Nu verkrijgbaar in het Nederlands! En hopelijk leesbaar, als een beetje helpt. Drmies (talk) 20:44, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I've been outmoved by Jürgen Eissink. - Netraam (talk) 21:07, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Section header search
Hello D. The title of this thread read like one of those fun Town/State name coincidences. Since it was making me smile every time I read it I went on a google search that came up with gems like Whynot, North Carolina. The closest one to you might be Screamer, Alabama and to me is Chugwater, Wyoming. As this is a frivolous (Friday afternoon) post on my part feel free to remove it. I do hope you and yours have a pleasant weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:15, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What an odd little synchronicitous thing to find on a Friday afternoon. At one point in my life I lived semi-close to Chugwater, Wyoming. I happen to know that their school fight song there is (or, more accurately,  was; it's been quite a while) "C - H - U - G - H - 2 - O! Chugwater, Chugwater, Go! Go! Go!" --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:24, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That is wonderful . I tried to find a video of it on the web and came up empty. Guess the glass was all empty :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:56, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I remember Hell, Arizona. Uncle G (talk) 01:09, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * My wife wrote a college paper about Whynot, Mississippi. They may have a Lost Cause cemetery there. There's Slapout, Alabama; my favorite is always the exit sign that lists both Guin and Gu-Win in Marion County, as if someone was trying to make some esoteric point and started a new township cause he felt so strongly. Drmies (talk) 02:28, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Great examples all. Thanks for mentioning them. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 04:07, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Odd tagging?
Hi, someone added a couple of tags to the Gounder article and I raised the issue here. Do the tags look reasonable to you? Perhaps I cannot see the wood for the trees. - Sitush (talk) 10:50, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I saw that in a watchlist. It's a stub, so tagging for expansion is redundant, there's enough context, and the lead is half the article. I removed them. -- Begoon 11:09, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks very much. This is why I like posting at pages with lots of watchers :) - Sitush (talk) 11:14, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Both this and the tagger's talk page are in my watchlist, so it was probably the 'double' that got my attention. -- Begoon 11:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Begoon. And Sitush. I think there was a phase in my Wikipedia career where I placed a lot of tags, thinking it would do something. Drmies (talk) 14:44, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * There's always this one, from Tag bombing, if all else fails. -- Begoon 00:03, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Such a silly place!
I placed the uw-indefblock on the decoy. Oy! El_C 01:44, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That'll teach em! Drmies (talk) 01:48, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Geapsu
Hey Drmies. Do you think is related to the socks that you blocked in relation to ? Other accounts: —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 04:44, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * (not your block)
 * talks of the subject in the first person in the edit summary, so professing independence is not credible.   are quite clear.  Uncle G (talk) 08:39, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. Drmies (talk) 00:42, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Don't know how I missed that edit summary. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:59, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

... but you are right that I've posted too much on the ANI thread, so I'll reply on your talk page
I don't enjoy it. I've been too busy IRL to work on articles lately, and only filed the CCI when I did because I knew waiting any longer would just make the above "public view for 43 days" lie closer to not being a lie. I'm supposed to be enjoying a weekend in Tokyo now (long story; also my 31st birthday) but I've got an open request that I be sitebanned, and a hound or three who won't take a hint. Also, the lie that I have "five active IBANS and more beyond that which expired" has been repeated multiple times by several different editors in that thread, and this is the third time this year that people have tried to use this lie as a justification for sitebanning me. You can surely understand why this is extremely distressing to me. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 04:06, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure, Hijiri--but that siteban was proposed by someone who didn't know what they were talking about, and it was shut down quickly; I think it's pretty clear that the editor who started the whole thing is not getting their way anyway. But if you would do all the things except continuing to correct their errors while they have you up at ANI, you'd still look better. Happy birthday, by the way, you young person. Enjoy your thirties. I have some nectarine pie for you here if you can swing by today. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * FWIW, the most recent thread had three editors pushing for me to be CBANned, including one who did so repeatedly despite massive resistance, and in January/February there were at least three more, including at least two admins. All of these have been based on my having X number of IBANs (ignoring the fact that virtually all of them are long-since lifted and/or were only put in place at my request to protect me from harassment). It would be nice if such voluntary/self-requested IBANs weren't permanent and beyond the possibility of appeal even after it's become clear that they are serving the exact opposite of their original intended purpose (I e-mailed WTT, and I think all of ArbCom -- sorry, not in the mood to check -- back in November explaining those circumstances in detail, and never got a response), but they are not, and so every time someone with a grudge against me chooses to bring them up out of the blue (and it has been happening, on average, on a monthly basis, including from admins who should know better and really should be held to a higher standard) I'm both powerless to defend myself and terrified that this time they'll get their way.
 * Anyway, thanks for your birthday wishes. I'm still too busy to do a whole lot of proper article editing but the circumstances that led me to declare myself on break the other day have largely subsided.
 * Also, I forgot to thank you for shutting down that particular subthread the other day. I did really appreciate it, but I felt responding to the other stuff took precedence under the immediate circumstances.
 * Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 04:47, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Golanette
Hiya! Would you consider changing their block to a conditional indef? This is the second time in a week they've been blocked for this exact behavior - edit warring, creating copyvios, accusing people of harassment for warning them and they've clearly read the warnings. I'd like to see that they understand that this is not acceptable behavior before they edit again, as with last time, they just let the block expire and still didn't communicate with other editors....Praxidicae (talk) 18:56, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

International Journal of Humanities and Social Science listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect International Journal of Humanities and Social Science. Since you had some involvement with the International Journal of Humanities and Social Science redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  DGG ( talk ) 19:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Cross-wiki campaign of harassment and threats
Hi, one of my former CVUA students, Horst Hof, is in a pretty unpleasant situation at the moment - I'm wondering if you'd be able to help, or point us in the right direction to get whatever can be done about it done.

It looks like they're being targeted by a LTA, who IP hops and uses throwaway sock accounts to leave threatening messages on his talk page, and to stalk and revert his edits with clearly intimidating edit summaries (see, for example, this and this - usernames intentional references to user:Jackson Dionne and user:Timmee Williams). See recent comments on his talk page, since revdelled by Favonian.

Horst is pretty confident he knows who this individual is, and has quite a stack of evidence in the form of diffs from enwiki and various sister projects. He's e-mailed Emergencies, but hasn't heard anything back yet, and the harassment is continuing. I thought about going to ANI, but there's quite a lot of stuff that probably ought to be revdelled, plus it might end up being a bit of a wall of text - I was wondering whether you would be willing to take a look and suggest the best course of action, or point us at someone who you know if good at dealing with this sort of stuff? Thanks in advance for anything you can suggest. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether) 15:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * See also this for the latest installment. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  15:35, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm I would say email ArbCom...this talk page is probably not the best place., you've dealt with Sockpuppet investigations/84101e40247 before. What do you make of this? Drmies (talk) 01:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , how about you, in relation to ? Drmies (talk) 01:43, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I'm going out of town today and won't be online much for the next couple of days, so maybe or  will have some time to take a look. —DoRD (talk)​ 12:13, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Have a safe trip, DoRD, and be sure to tell us about odd foods and cool museums. Drmies (talk) 13:03, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what's being requested here. If you're asking for a check of Zreglhv against other recently blocked accounts, which ones (there are many) and what exactly would be gained from it?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:14, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, one of the things that I don't know is if the two named accounts are socks of 84101e40247, nor do I know right now if that matters. User:Girth Summit, if you are looking for a place to tell people which real-life person hides behind a set of sock accounts, ArbCom is really the place. At that moment it may matter whether all these accounts are the same, though I imagine that there's plenty of accounts to pull information from already. But I'm also kind of fuzzy about what you meant with the usernames being "intentional references"--do you mean that these accounts are likely made by a copycat of 84101e40247? Are you and Horst convinced that 84101e40247 is the master? But again, all this is better answered by ArbCom: they make the big bucks, after all. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:31, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Which two named accounts?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:02, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * user:Jackson Dionne and user:Timmee Williams. Drmies (talk) 15:01, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * As DoRD said, those two accounts are technically indistinguishable from each other and from previous socks. Whe comparing them to Zreglhv, there are some technical points I can make publicly: they use the same unusual OS, they use different browsers but very old versions of each, Jackson and Timmee are using a proxy, whereas Zreglhv is not, at least not an obvious one. If you want more detail than that, please e-mail me.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:51, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Bbb23, all clear--thanks for your note. Hope you are having a fun Friday. We had nectarine pie, and we saw a baby woodpecker in the yard. Drmies (talk) 20:31, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I love really good fruit pies. Rarely find them, though. Nectarine's a bit different - usually see peach. We had some really good peach crisps recently. My sister sent me pictures of a hummingbird family (sans papa) in her backyard. Pictures of the nest, pictures of the eggs in the nest, and pictures of the babies right after they were born. And the clarity of the pictures - didn't know my sister could take such professional-looking pictures.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Just to clear up the stuff you're fuzzy on Drmies - sorry it wasn't clear before. Look at the accounts linked to the first two diffs I gave you - user:Iackson Dionne and user:Timmeee Villiams - these are obvious references to user:Jackson Dionne and user:Timmee Williams, which are blocked socks of 84101e40247. Each of these new accounts was used only once, in a way which I can only interpret as a death threat intended for Horst, and I assume they used these accounts to imply (falsely or truthfully - I don't know which) that they are 84101e40247.
 * As for the actual real life identity - sorry, that wasn't what I meant, I meant that he'd linked the recent threats to a series of socks and IPs that he'd been reverting. I don't believe he knows the actual real-life identity of this individual. Very brief background - Horst identified some disruptive editing in the area of Italian IPA pronunciation a few months ago. He and I started an ANI thread here, but it didn't really go anywhere. Since then he's been continuing to revert/warn/ask for page protection on the affected pages, and this activity seems to be what has triggered this LTA. Behaviourally, it looks like a fit with 84101e40247, but it could just as easily be whoever 84101e40247 is edit warring with.
 * As for what we are wanting to be done about it, that's really part of what I came here to ask. We appear to have a long term abuser who is literally threatening to pay hackers to identify where Horst lives/works, and to murder him. I don't know whether that's a credible threat (or indeed technically possible), but it's obviously an unpleasant and stressful situation for Horst to be in, and he's currently staying off Wiki until he is confident that he isn't in actual danger (I've been in e-mail correspondence with him about all this). I think it calls for some kind of action - I'm just not sure what. I think primarily he'd like some reassurance that there's no way that anyone could actually trace where he edits from; whether there's anything else that can be done to prevent this behaviour is something I'd appreciate your thoughts on.
 * Drmies, if you think Arbcom is the right way to go, that's what we'll do - I'll wait for you to confirm having been through what I've just written though. Cheers Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  14:42, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'm surprised (or maybe not) that Emergency hasn't responded, and that's also why I suggested ArbCom. I'm sorry for what your colleague is going through: realistic or not, such threats are disruptive and revolting. On this end, the admin end, there's very little we can do--we could protect a page or two, but this harasser, whether it's 84101 or not, also hounds Horst, so there's a clear limit to what protection could achieve., do you have any suggestions for where Horst might take this, if Emergency still hasn't responded? Drmies (talk) 15:01, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ArbCom seems appropriate when Emergency can't get their act together (or are going deep undercover). I received this kind message on fr-Wiki. If that's the perp's idea of doxing, they are as incompetent as they are unpleasant. Favonian (talk) 15:25, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi folks, just a quick note - afraid I can't provide further details. We are aware of the situation and are reviewing. All mails to emergency are replied to within a set timeframe, which included the one mentioned above. Patrick Earley (WMF) (talk) 19:48, 31 May 2019 (UTC) Hi again - I'm just back to give you an update, and check to see whether you still recommend e-mailing Arbcom. Since I last posted here, Horst has received an e-mail from the Emergencies team, basically saying that they are reviewing the situation, but it will be a minimum of four weeks, and probably longer, before they are able to feed back to him. Horst has continued to receive threatening messages on various WMF project accounts from new accounts.
 * Patrick Earley (WMF), thanks--I appreciate the note. I understand you can't say much, and I'm sure you understand that editors who report something are anxious. Is Hotline Bling dude behind bars yet? Haha, Drmies (talk) 20:29, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

In the meantime, since Horst has stopped editing, the 84101e40247 seems to have renewed their long-running campaign of slow edit warring over Italian IPA codes with socks of ZenZung - Horst seems pretty confident that User:VgerOfrqaho and User:Nfuwt are this person, based on the pattern of editing and the timing. TonyBallioni blocked the Nfuwt, but VgerOfrqaho appears technically unrelated (although their first and only edits were four reverts of a ZenZung sock).

What he's primarily looking for is reassurance about whether or not it is technically possible for this person to hack his account to extract location details - basically, are the threats in any way credible, or can he just ignore it? It would also be great if anyone can suggest a way to stop the user from doing this, but he appreciates there's little that admins can do. Do you still think that an e-mail to Arbcom is the right way to go? Horst has one written and ready to send, but he's concerned about wasting people's time if the overlap with Emergencies is inappropriate. Should he send it, wait it out until Emergencies get back to him? Pinging, who has had some interactions with this individual, and (since you're on Arbcom and might have some insight into whether there's anything you might be able to do) - your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  17:21, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

olololololololololol!!!!!
ololololo, oshwah started this! -- Thegooduser  Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 01:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm I lost already... Drmies (talk) 01:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I guess I lost too, I thought about it wait let's WP:DENY it! lol -- Thegooduser  Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 01:03, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Damn it, not again...... I lost.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   01:31, 7 June 2019 (UTC)


 * What is all this ululation about? Please let me just live in peace. Softlavender (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * fresh out of the factory... Thegooduser   Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 02:07, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Oshwah What if I change my username to The Game (mind game) lol -- Thegooduser  Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 02:10, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * We'd be doomed...  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   02:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Oshwah Can I actually do it? Thegooduser   Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 02:24, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Why would you want to?  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   02:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Whoever looks at my username looses the game already, lol Thegooduser   Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 02:37, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019). Administrator changes
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 * An RfC proposal to make the templates for discussion (TfD) process more like the requested moves (RM) process, i.e. "as a clearinghouse of template discussions", was closed as successful.

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You have mail!
Hey Drmies, you have email from a new Wikipedian,. It was sent at my direction - can you help him out please? He is my friend and housemate. Thanks! Lady of  Shalott  23:27, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If you try to fill Doktoro's carefully engineered English Professor Vacuum with American librarians, it will clog up the works, or at least make a mess. You might want to tell your friend about sfn and its <tt>|p=</tt> parameter for specifying pages; and that in the Dictionary Supplement, as is commonly the case, the author of each entry is at the end of the entry, with the name given in the catalogue being the editor. Professor James V. Carmichael Jr does not fill the English Professor Vacuum, either. Uncle G (talk) 18:55, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tips, Uncle G (even if to help out a librarian)! Lady  of  Shalott  20:33, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Catalyst Investors (U.S. Company)
Hello. Is Celoxis Technologies a re-creation of Celoxis? If yes, then the same user re-created Celoxis (5 times deleted, twice at AfD) as Celoxis Technologies, Catalyst Investors (twice deleted) as Catalyst Investors (U.S. Company), and Inger Ellen Nicolaisen (once deleted at AfD) as Ellen Nicolaisen. Maybe they could be requested to go thru AFC in the future. Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 11:30, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Celoxis was an out-and-out advertisement, exhorting the reader in the second person, created by . It isn′t the same as Celoxis Technologies. Moreover, two of the three accounts that created Catalyst Investors and Draft:Catalyst Investors were named after the (claimed) partners in the business, and the third being . Inger Ellen Nicolaisen and Ellen Nicolaisen were written by two different accounts in two different writing styles.  Interestingly, Demandchange′s attempt was the less factual attempt. Uncle G (talk) 15:10, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Evangelical Lutheran Church (Enkhuizen)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Careful
The wikified law of 22 Prairial can be directed at typo fixers too, you know :)   ——  SerialNumber  54129  18:13, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Words in Foreign
If Les Cent Contes drolatiques is anything to go by, we are missing Les Cent Contes drolatiques. What we lack is a French Professor. Uncle G (talk) 00:28, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * We used to have one (or, a student at least)--I forgot their name. Drmies (talk) 01:14, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ha, what are the odds? Today I had a copy of the Decamerone in my hand, the Norton Critical Edition. Drmies (talk) 01:17, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You know, I wouldn't mind writing that up if I actually read the book. Drmies (talk) 01:23, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Adriaan de Bruin
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Excellent stats for a good one! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Holy moly, --thanks for all your help! Drmies (talk) 13:44, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * moar moly: the young Nepalese human rights' activist which you helped also made the stats, and guess what, even a dancer praised by Max Brod who (the dancer) had a tough life due to the Nazi regime. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I saw that. Ha, Wikipedia is not for activism--but still. Drmies (talk) 19:57, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Pitcher (container) and Jug
Hi Drmies, Hope you're well! As real life & the backstage wiki are just tooo exciting at the moment, I've been taking a look at these - like all our basic tableware articles they are pretty shit. So, in American, is there a minimum size for a pitcher? What do Americans call the little milk jugs in a tea set or at a restaurant?

I've also recently got to know about the charming Dutch Maiden (Nederlandse Maagd), after starting (yup, gulp) Personification, and adding to the riduculously-named Liberty (goddess), a relative of the Maiden. I bet there's a lot more to say on these, if you feel like it. Johnbod (talk) 15:15, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe a creamer or just a pitcher. Geoff &#124; Who, me? 15:48, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't see little milk jugs here: Americans are too obsessed with GERMS and whatnot. At Starbuck's and such places they keep the milk/cream (really, half and half) in thermos bottles that hold maybe three or four cups. At many other occasions it's just powdered stuff--I know, barbaric. I'd say something isn't a pitcher unless it holds at least a quart, and I think it must have a wide top, so you can stir the lemonade or sweet tea. A jug, isn't that something with an ear? Shaped like a gourd? As for Dutch maidens, besides my mother and aunts I know only one: Frau Antje. Shame I never got that on the front page. Drmies (talk) 16:33, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Pitcher (container) and Jug should be merged into a single article on containers for serving beverages. bd2412  T 16:47, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with bd2412 here. The articles are redundant as heck. Wikipedia articles are about concepts, not words, and it's largely the same type of container. The only real difference is that they're all called jugs in the UK, while the US call one with a large top opening a pitcher (and thereby the use of "jug" implies a smaller opening like a milk jug or growler.) still not enough to need two articles. oknazevad (talk) 16:59, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! A merge is an option, especially as ewer goes to American jugs. Creamer could join them, with cow creamer kept apart. Johnbod (talk) 17:20, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you all. See, collaborative editing can work. Drmies (talk) 04:14, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

That would be all fine and dandy except &hellip;  That is from a chapter of an English book by someone who used to be keeper of Medieval and Later Antiquities in the British Museum, talking about Stamford Ware. Xyr statement would not make sense if there were no technical difference in U.K. English between a pitcher and a jug. Uncle G (talk) 23:55, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion
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Is it a bagless English Professor Vacuum?
If I mention this here, at the very eye of the cyclone that is attempting to suck the English Professors in, they will circle around it and never be able to reach it. Books being blown around by the English Professor Vacuum are a dangerous thing, anyway. They could hit someone. Uncle G (talk) 13:42, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * They are, especially if they are written by Tor Ulven (Replacement). Drmies (talk) 14:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail

 * Doug, I'm wondering if our email server doesn't simply have problems with gmail accounts. I've emailed the head for ITS, and the helpdesk, but haven't heard back yet. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:55, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Nah. I get too many e-mail I don't want for such problems to exist. Of course, I don't what kind of problems you're talking about, but lately I barely know what anyone is talking about. BTW, I have a nasty sore throat. Fix it! --Bbb23 (talk) 15:47, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * *poof* there. Better? Drmies (talk) 17:56, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Calling me a poof doesn't help.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:09, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Pixie dust.png lets see if some pixie dust will help. I hope you get to feeling better soon Bbb23. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:25, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

What to do now?
For the past week or so Joseroyal has my attention. He comes up with rather useless edits. I went to the whole process of giving advice and giving warnings, but he seems totally unresponsive. Besides adding pre and post nominals to articles, he also adds unused fields to infoboxes, often just with the value "m". And today he started removing valid red links.

I can go on with bluntly reverting him, but I doubt that he will learn anything from that. Do you have any trick in the book to get the attention of the person behind the account? The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 08:35, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ,, into universities systematic and . Uncle G (talk) 09:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * OK but what's so bad here? Anthony Raj is indeed the current principal, according to the website. I don't see problems with the infobox parameters--and Uncle, maybe they changed the infobox template because they were looking for some parameters that weren't in the other one? They do appear to be totally uncommunicative, and that's a bad thing; that, combined with the edit warring and the repeated warnings for those nominals, is highly disruptive. I think you can tell them that, and such continued disruption will lead to a block. Drmies (talk) 14:41, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Regarding sandbox page deletion
Just saw the communication by your authority. I have read the links attached. I wish to add that I am a learner and not a paid editor. I am also not Shripad Vaidya. As per the guidelines received from you it is correct that article / page created by me in my user sandbox seems to be a resume rather than article. I will study other articles format and will change the info accordingly. Please not that I will never try to publish this article until and unless I correct all the points objected. But for that I need my written article back so as to get it corrected. It may take some time, may be few months, to complete it. Please guide how I can retrieve the article. MA$HRVA (User talk:MA$HRVA) Write Right!! 18:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Please ask the administrator who deleted it. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 00:10, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Did you know &hellip;

 * &hellip; that when her doctor asked  whether she could find his office ″I landed a plane on Pico Boulevard, so I think I can find it with my car.″?

Uncle G (talk) 18:37, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 1984?? Have you ever been to Pico Boulevard?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:53, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Those alternatives simply don't fly. Uncle G (talk) 09:00, 19 June 2019 (UTC) {{divbox|brown|| Eliakim Doolittle (1772-08-29 in Cheshire, Connecticut{{sfn|Britton|Lowens|Crawford|1990|p=254}} – April 1850 in Argyle, New York{{sfn|Britton|Lowens|Crawford|1990|p=254}}), the younger brother of Amos Doolittle, first cousin of composers Reuben Munson and Amos Munson, and uncle of senator James R. Doolittle, was a composer, schoolteacher, and singing teacher.{{sfn|Britton|Lowens|Crawford|1990|p=254}}{{sfn|Hollister|1867|p=71}} His most well-known composition was the hymn tune "Exhortation",{{sfn|Steel|Hulan|2010|p=112}} a fuging tune that was first printed in The Musical Harmonist {{harv|Jenks|1800}} and later included in The Sacred Harp.{{sfn|Hatchett|2003|p=121}}
 * ALT 1...that Patty Willis and her sister Betsy Howes Sergeant were willed "one-half of my real and all my internal personal estate" by her mother's nephew Eliakim Willis, who also left his "wearing apparel" to his brothers Ebenezer and Jireh Willis, "to be equally divided between them"?
 * ALT1a that in Malden, Massachusetts, the generation preceding Patty Willis apparently gave their menfolk names like Eliakim and Jireh? Drmies (talk) 00:52, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Aw come on. "Internal personal estate"? ITS A WINNER. Drmies (talk) 15:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

The son of Ambrose Doolittle and Martha Munson, he attended Yale University (then Yale College), gaining the reputation as a composer, but did not graduate, and became a school- and singing- teacher.{{sfn|Steel|Hulan|2010|p=112}}{{sfn|O'Brien|2008|p=14}} He married Hasadiah Fuller in 1811, with whom he had six children (1 son and 5 daughters), and lived in Hampton, New York.{{sfn|Steel|Hulan|2010|p=112}}

His Psalm Singer's Companion {{harv|Doolittle|1806}} was 41 compositions (covering 48 pages) of psalm music for four voices,{{sfn|O'Brien|2008|p=14}}{{sfn|Steel|Hulan|2010|p=112}} out of a total of 45 works that he composed.{{sfn|van Boer|2012|p=164}}

Such works included Solemnity, another hymn tune published in Asahel Benham's Social Harmony in 1798, and the war song The Hornet Stung The Peacock that celebrated the sinking of HMS Peacock.{{sfn|Gleason|Becker|1981|p=55}}

Later in life he was to suffer from what is now understood to be dementia and lived in Pawlet, Vermont,{{sfn|Steel|Hulan|2010|p=112}} which 19th century chronicler of that village Hiel Hollister described graphically as "nervous and sensitive, impulsive and excitable, in tattered garb, with untrimmed locks and beard, in a state bordering on insanity, he wandered through our streets for many a year",{{sfn|Hollister|1867|p=71}}{{sfn|Steel|Hulan|2010|p=112}} before entering the Washington County poorhouse in Argyle where he eventually died.{{sfn|Steel|Hulan|2010|p=112}}

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Wikipedia does not need you
Wikipedia:Wikipedia does not need you, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipedia does not need you and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:Wikipedia does not need you during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. RL0919 (talk) 05:00, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

COI/sockpuppet account
Hi, I see you've edited the Seth Abramson page and reverted poorly sourced puffery from the page in the past. I strongly suspect that the account SanFran55 is a COI account or a sockpuppet of this account. This account exclusively adds poorly sourced puffery to the Abramson page, as well as attempts to remove RS content which does not reflect well on Abramson (e.g. his conspiracy theorizing). Is this something you can look into? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:25, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * In principle yes, but I've edited the article a bit just now, and it's probably more useful to ping the ones who were active on the SPI; I think CU was run, and maybe there's a record... Sorry, dinner time now! Drmies (talk) 22:51, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * DeltaQuad, Rschen7754 and Callanecc: you were involved in the sockpuppet investigation last time. Could you check this account: SanFran55? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't compare with data from 2014, that is long beyond expired, and I can not simply run a check because I suspect a COI exists. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 05:04, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination
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