User talk:Drmies/Archive 148

The 31.218.86.208 guy probably evades his ban
He was blocked in the evening of yesterday. He was edit-warring regarding the infobox photo at Leon Trotsky prior to getting blocked and now I saw that some other IP address (84.32.71.105) with a single edit history made the exact same edit this morning (it's morning here) at - you guessed it - Leon Trotsky. Without writing anything in the edit summary. I suppose this one will continue with edit-warring and disruptive behavior. I wrote them to start a RfC in talk page before unilaterally changing the already-established photo. This is how it was done with Stalin's and Lenin's photos which were changed via a RfC few months ago. I wrote the same thing to 31.218.86.208 and they absolutely ignored this and I'm sure this IP will too, esp. if they're the same person, which I highly assume. GreatLeader1945 TALK  08:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Right now the only edit warrior is you. Drmies (talk) 14:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait--are you seriously informing me that "He was blocked in the evening of yesterday"? So, BEFORE you placed that warning there? And did you, ahem, happen to notice WHO blocked that editor? Drmies (talk) 14:29, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Drmies You do not have a single comment anywhere in our communication that makes any sense, I swear! And again, you keep ignoring everything I address. That's a totally unacceptable administrator behavior. GreatLeader1945  TALK  15:49, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm you probably missed "i got it, and there is no such thing as a permanent block for IPs" ("I got it" because I had littterally just blocked the editor). There is no such thing as a permanent block for IPs, except for in very rare circumstances, which you can read about in WP:IPBLENGTH--note where it says, in bold print, IP addresses should almost never be indefinitely blocked. You said "such an IP can't edit alone on Wikipedia if one doesn't make accounts as sockpuppets", which may be grammatically correct but semantically incoherent. As for the 84.32.71.105 IP--they geolocate to a very different place, and while that doesn't mean everything you'd still have to present a pretty good argument for why you think they're the same person, an argument you can make at WP:SPI--but an SPI case which asks for two IPs to be investigated is not likely to go anywhere. But what do I know! By all means, take it to a noticeboard--just make sure you provide popcorn. Drmies (talk) 16:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

On Luming Lu
Hi Drmies! I noticed your edits to the article on Luming Lu, and I understand that you made them in good faith. However, I am currently working on the article about Lu's sister, and I intentionally included the description in the infobox so that I can easily add the link later. If you take a closer look at the article, you'll see that I have already included an interlanguage link to the Chinese version of Jenny Lu. This indicates that: A, I am working on the red link, and B, it shows that the subject of the article is not non-notable. Therefore, I kindly request that you leave a message on the talk page first before making any changes to my edits next time. Thanks and cheers!  Prince of Erebor （ The Book of Mazarbul ）  00:04, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Eh, User:Prince of Erebor, I did indeed make these edits in good faith, and you could have easily prevented all this by leaving an edit summary to explain what you were doing. In the meantime, it would have been nice if you had acknowledged that indeed we should not have non-notable people listed in infoboxes. As for ease of editing--well, you could have stuck in the links to begin with, so you'd have a red link, and said, in an edit summary, "this will turn blue in a minute". Anyway, thanks for writing her up. No, I do not believe that people should leave talk page notices for other editors if they're going to edit an article. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I have included the description in the article since its creation. So, A, it is not feasible for me to provide an explanation for every single word I have included in an article, and B, I did not anticipate anyone intervening as I promptly moved on to writing the next article to avoid an unnecessarily long hiatus. Anyway, I acknowledge that your edits were made in good faith, and I want to emphasize that I am not trying to start an argument. The purpose of leaving this message on your talk page is solely to clarify any misunderstandings that may have arisen. I appreciate your work on new page patrolling as well. Cheers!-- Prince of Erebor （ The Book of Mazarbul ）  05:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

User talk:FAJTEAM
You may wish to revoke TPA. Cahk (talk) 08:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah I saw that, thanks. Did you like my possums? Drmies (talk) 14:48, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

someone you may know
Any idea who is behind this ? Meters (talk) 08:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Could it be Gotye? Geoff &#124; Who, me? 14:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Meh it's probably the Nephilim or the Tartarians. Eight months? What a strange choice. Drmies (talk) 14:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Youth cred
Now that M. Star Mississippi has just outed xyrself as a Tik-Toker with a "timeline" on the Administrators' Noticeboard, I can give you a source that indicates that your search of M. Binksternet will be in vain, and some more Tik-Tok dance videos for the three of you to watch and mutually support your youth cred statuses.

This BBC Radio 1 In Concert thing, Doktoro: Was this some sort of AM pirate radio station broadcast across international waters that you picked up on your transistor radio in Gallifrey? Neither Wikipedia nor this book have helped to explain this music-in-mono thing to me. I'm confused by other books saying that your pirate radio programmes were recorded in Paris not in Hammersmith like you said, Doktoro.

Perhaps you, M. BInternets, and M. Mississississippi can explain all of this geographic confusion and why you, Doktoro, are trying to get music-in-mono from what is clearly and verifiably a gym club, replete with Tik-Tok dancing people. If the three of you do not, I warn, someone might nominate Paris for deletion given that that article is. There are even pictures of the gym being repaired after The Blitz, on Google Maps. Is this swimming pool like those canals in Amsterdam that the Tijme Loords have given you fake childhood memories of? Using the same name for the author is a bit of a giveaway. The Tijme Loords should have been more inventive. Although they have gone to some great effort with this back-story of you listening to music-in-mono off pirate radio, even going so far as to invent a whole fictitious country. Uncle G (talk) 07:51, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm a lot to ponder here. First of all, I'm not a fan of Dr. Who, and Doctorin' the Tardis--well, I like their later stuff. The Hammersmith location is from the cover of the album: OR, I know. I also got a CD with a show in the motherland, where he attempts some Dutch; perhaps he does something similar on the album, I can't remember, and it might give a clue. An OR kind of clue, of course. I trust you listened to this BBC show all the way through, and I assume you have the entire Talk Talk discography--after all, you are a civilized person. What a tight live act they were! Watching the drummer is fun (I assume you have the Montreux VHS/DVD): the man believes in what he's doing, though I kind of wish he believed in wearing a shirt. Wait--Scotland is fictitious now? Drmies (talk) 16:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Of course Scotland is fictitious! Unless of course that Highland game depicted in Braveheart where they stood about 15 paces apart and threw rocks at each other's forehead until one of them was the last man standing was real. Geoff &#124; Who, me? 17:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's worse than that; it's an excellent example of how one lie can become wildly out of hand as more and more is required to support it. In order to convince Doktoro that xe really did listen in mono (hard to believe, I know) to pirate AM radio stations, as the false memories that they have implanted say, the Tijme Loords concocted this D'Ye Ken person to be the author of these books on John Peel and the like that Doktoro can consult to check the veracity of the memories. Dokotoro can read D'Ye Ken's books and find that yes, there were indeed music-in-mono bands named Talk Talk, Duran Duran (a name that the Tijme Loords took from Barbarella (band)), and the like. Unfortunately, they concocted a fictional place named "Glasgow" for this person's university, and then decided that xe wouldn't use its own publishing house and invented another place named "Edinbrough" for that.  In consequence of these mistakes they were required to make a significant expansion of the back-story to include the invention of an entire country for "Glasgow" and "Edinbrough" to be a part of.  They populated it with a fanciful people who have funny hair and make music out of sheep's intestines, it seems. Alas, in yet another mistake they created a conlang for these fictional people, and even taught Doktoro to moan in it.  This caused yet another back-story headache that required the creation of a whole Wikipedia in that language.  At this point, this is getting to Truman Show levels of deception all to make sure that Doktoro didn't cotton on to the lie of the AM pirate radio music-in-mono broadcasts.  Of course since it had been, that Wikipedia looked like it had been written in a conlang, the normal English of Known Space with a moaning accent. The Tijme Loords's quite clever explanation of that, as they finally learned not to exacerbate the problem by multiplying the falsehoods, was to say that yes it was written in a conlang by a citizen of Known Space, a cover story that you will find more on at Scots Wikipedia. And all because Doktoro mi estas is not allowed to know who xe really is. Uncle G (talk) 05:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * As an old, I uh think I might need some context here @Drmies @Uncle G. I do appreciate the humor though Star   Mississippi  03:22, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Doktoro has been trying for the youth cred again by writing about records so new that they haven't been reviewed yet. See Force of Nature (Talk Talk album), before it was redirected on the grounds of public safety.  Xe has been trying to recruit M. BInternets to assist in finding better sources than Find-A-Grave at User talk:Binksternet.  All of this whilst Paris does not explain how it is at wild variance with Google Streetview and BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert does not explain anything at all to the likes of me who try to support Doktoro's eternal quest for youth cred however we can.  Uncle G (talk) 05:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Radio Veronica is a terrible, terrible article in terms of referencing though I don't really doubt its content. I don't know if they were mono or stereo; I remember, vaguely, when they were pulled off the air (out of the sea?), though what I remember best is a song, "Veronica sorry"--ha, I only just learned that it was by Peter Koelewijn. I never knew the lyrics but I remember the catchy verse. Ah the romance of radio. I'll have to play my way through Category:Songs about radio one day. Does anyone still listen to The Blasters? Isn't "Border Radio" one of the best songs EVER? I love that verse. 50,000 Watts out of Mexico! Now I remember how I know that song: a live show, on VPRO radio, that I taped--yes, Uncle, on compact cassette. Drmies (talk) 15:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Here they're playing in the old folks home, for me and my buddy Nils--this time with a juicy solo on a Les Paul. Drmies (talk) 15:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Possible sock?
Hi there. I'm starting to think that Chusada25 is a sock of Husada28. Would you mind giving it a look? Anwegmann (talk) 04:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * They're already blocked, right?, do you see the need for a sock sweep? Drmies (talk) 14:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's any need for that, it was quacking into a megaphone since nearly all their accounts use the same naming conventions. I doubt running a CU would tell us anything that Special:ListUsers didn't when I checked that yesterday for new accounts. But on a related note with sockmasters using identical usernames, could you maybe take a second look at Sockpuppet investigations/Timelash? Not saying a CU needs to be run, just look at the filers of the cases. Timelash seems to love attention and getting blocked quickly; two of the three editors that have reported Timelash are IPs that seem like VPNs. Damned odd that an IP would catch them so quickly (twice) and report accurately, I wouldn't be shocked if Timelash was reporting itself. The Wordsmith Talk to me 16:03, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm that would be super sad. But that goes over my head quickly--I see blocked the most recent range, and they're smarter than me. Drmies (talk) 15:04, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Strange: I just saw that has also been getting IP assistance for an SPI. Drmies (talk) 15:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It was odd - only edit from that IP and the CIDR range from a whois check had a few edits in Indian television, but nothing really in the Indian politics area. Still, 3 excellent diffs aren't something I'll turn down.  Ravensfire  (talk) 15:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I just noticed you don't actually have a user page. Can I just post a picture of Nick Saban on your talk page? I mean, you gotta have one. Drmies (talk) 16:08, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Tempting ... but the drama from some of my out of state family ...  Ravensfire  (talk) 16:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Category expert
Hey, who's a category expert (and also an admin)? I used to go to BrownHairedGirl for questions, but... --Bbb23 (talk) 17:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC) Hi... looks like y'all have it well in hand now, but let me know if I can be helpful. I'm around more than I was for a good while (albeit less than I have been at other times). Lady of  Shalott  13:38, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I remember the used to play around with HotCat... Drmies (talk) 18:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * She doesn't edit much. I need someone who's currently active.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * , maybe? Drmies (talk) 18:39, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Now that's a thought, no one can accuse her of not being active. :-) So, Liz, if you received Drmies's ping and you have a moment, I outlined the issue at User talk:TSventon. Thanks, Drmies, and thanks in advance, Liz.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:46, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You know I had to stick my nose in. This retaliatory report, in response to the report above it, and this exchange here where was trying their best, is evidence enough of an uncollegial attitude. Then (after that) is an awful RfC on Talk:Foreign_Secretary (currently the next-to-last section), followed by another which shows the editor to be out of touch, besides having an amazing verbosity which also hinders their grammar. Have we eaten on the insane root that takes the reason prisoner? Drmies (talk) 18:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, even if the current block is not justified, it's no big loss to the project to block such an editor. Thanks for the links.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:13, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Ervin Demo
Again, I didn't look deep enough into the sourcing but wanted to let you know about this as there is an obvious COI. CNMall41 (talk) 18:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Sanity check
Hi, Doc (and any friendly TPSes)! I and a few others have been dealing with a...persistent editor on Talk:Leo Frank, and I just wanted to get a sanity check on the merits (or lack thereof) of the issue at hand. I don't know how much this is up your alley, but figured you'd at least be passingly familiar with the historical event; can you confirm or deny my impression that it is uncontroversial that the historical consensus is that Frank was wrongfully convicted? Thanks, Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 13:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't much care about the merits. I've indeffed the user.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * "Now that's what I call, Ballin' the Jack!" 718smiley.svg   ——Serial Number 54129  13:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Serial, that sounds really obscene--in our English anyway. Drmies (talk) 17:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Just an ole song, Drmies! :(   ——Serial Number 54129  17:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait. Obama sold his brother's soul to Satan? Well well, that explains a lot. Drmies (talk) 17:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Bingo!
Very well said. That wording should be added to the PAG. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 19:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Bongo! S0091 (talk) 19:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

RM
Hey Drmies, how have you been? The RM on Bojana (river) has been open since February 23, but nobody has come to close or relist it. If time permits, can you see if there is anything wrong with how it was filed? Maybe it just happens that nobody has been interested in closing it, though I have never seen an RM stay open so long without being relisted. Ktrimi991 (talk) 01:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not so easy. The count is 14-10 in favor of the move, and some of the opposes are clearly flawed; some seem to be deceptive, even. I think the discussion over Google hits goes nowhere (and someone showed their bad faith by talking about "a random Google search"), and the geographic arguments would carry the day for me, but articles on names are just not my forte--despite the now-ancient Tenedos case. So I'm a bit hesitant to close it, but I'll see if I can generate some interest. Drmies (talk) 14:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. If you know someone who closes such RMs, I could ask them to take a look. Otherwise, if there is no issue with the filing procedure, it can wait until someone else takes a look. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 14:46, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, right, yes--I see nothing wrong with that. I posted on AN, maybe not completely appropriately, but I included a bribe. Drmies (talk) 14:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Much appreciated. On the quality of the comments, well, tbh, most of those who have !voted, either Oppose or Support, seem to have never read the naming guidelines. As may be expected in such topics, some "vote" just for the sake of "voting". Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 14:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Thoughts?
User DESERTSCHo0L20 just reverted an edit where I had reverted an IP sock of Hamish Ross. See this AN discussion. A quick look at this user's talk page history suggests a pattern of problematic editing. I am wondering if there might be a connection. Any thoughts? -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * , I wish I could help. I'm not that familiar with the technicalities of that troll or the troll itself, though I blocked a bunch of their socks, as I discovered later. I did have a look but for me it clarified nothing, and after comparing with what I saw on the SPI I cannot establish a connection. It is a weird edit, and the troll does have a habit of using accounts made up to almost a decade ago. They're operating from a range that's been blocked often enough but nothing in the log suggests a connection, and from what I saw the geolocation doesn't match up either--I assume the IP you pointed comes through VPN or something like that, but the troll operates from yet another continent, as far as I can tell. Oh, I do see now, in the CU log, that that range (which is pretty big) has been checked a time or two, or maybe two hundred, but not for that troll; and  checked it most recently, looking for other things. Maybe they have some insight? Sorry, Drmies (talk) 14:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for having a look. That edit, coupled with the account's history sent up red flags for me, but I want to be on firm ground before doing anything. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No technical connection as far as I can see. Hamish socks stand out a mile away in the CU data. --Yamla (talk) 14:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you ; I appreciate your help and your expertise. Drmies (talk) 14:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * , when I see user names like "From there up the hill" I get antsy. Drmies (talk) 15:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Yamla Thanks for having a look. Looks like nothing actionable here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:40, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Public administration
FYI, when you find an article on a academic field as bloated as that one with job titles and trivia about degree information, it is usually the work of Long-term abuse/Hoaeter. MrOllie (talk) 21:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * For real? I've blocked many of their socks. Thanks--and I appreciate your cleanup. I'm cleaning up a bit more. Drmies (talk) 21:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * At some point they branched out into academia. Strange, I know. MrOllie (talk) 21:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I bet you they were an international student. Listen, MrOllie: earlier today, in the same PA article, I ran into this one again, who I blocked a while ago for all that BS on "notable academics", and I see now that the log says they were already a suspected Hoaeter sock. In the SPI I read that Schar School of Policy and Government is a new target of theirs--it's the George Mason connection, since the 129 IP kept pointing at Talk:George_Mason_University. Drmies (talk) 21:42, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * OK I'm sure you knew this all along already; I keep running into your edits. So they were being promotional in the George Mason article (that text on the "notable people" was indeed awful, and the overlinking is a dead giveaway), started this talk page...well whatever it was, and then went on a spree removing such sections from other articles, claiming it was the same thing. I didn't realize that at the time. Drmies (talk) 22:09, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I had missed the George Mason bit. I'm not terribly active in these areas, but I do take a look around when one of the IPs happens to show up on my watchlist. MrOllie (talk) 22:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

50.80.174.67
I am seriously worried about the edits of 50.80.174.67. To me, it seems large scale destruction with as excuse promotion and being unsourced. No response on the talk page. Request for giving sources instead of removal of large chunks of text unsuccessful. This is going out of hand. I can agree with some of it edits, but mentioning the name of a business is not the same as advertising. The Banner talk 09:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm I don't know. I looked at a couple, only a couple, and agreed with them. Of course I looked at Heerhugowaard also (you know, I'm sure, that that's where my father came from), and I actually agree with the IP more than with you on that Yellow Book list of companies... Drmies (talk) 14:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, thanks for catching the paid editing from Dan1992mou, I'm kinda slapping myself for missing that. I did some digging on the PR person's Linkedin page, and they're 100% the same person. Thanks again! Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 18:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, Guessitsavis, I saw it because such paid accounts usually make a dozen useless edits and then post their draft. So I go through the edits, and it struck me that I saw the same name once or twice in those linked articles--and then in the draft. Don't blame yourself: you're working with good faith, and there was no reason for you to suspect anything. See also this section, User_talk:2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63, and probably a few other sections on that IP's talk page. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

User:Dpugh500
Hi, I was wondering if something could be done with this user? He's recently removed content with legit sources from these pages &. His reasoning in the edit summaries being "Living people don't have DOB". Which makes absolutely no sense. I have since then reverted them. And he's been warned several times about adding and changing content without valid reasons.

I'd also like to mention that this very likely another account of this one. Which has been blocked in 2022 for the same reasons. Kcj5062 (talk) 14:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem--thanks. Drmies (talk) 14:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. One thing I forgot to mention is that I've come across this editor on several fandom wikis and he does the same stuff there. For some reason he wants actors(particularly voice actors) to be younger. At one point he was globally blocked. So he probably ended up irritating many admins. Kcj5062 (talk) 15:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Some people really need to find another hobby, don't they. Drmies (talk) 21:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

We've got another...
User:Chilmihusada is a sock of several long-banned accounts, including Husada28, I suspect. Anwegmann (talk) 18:08, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Anwegmann, you're good at this. Drmies (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I do my best! Thanks for the help! Anwegmann (talk) 19:37, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks
I appreciate you stepping in re: Jack. He has also undone a good faith redirect twice. I am not going to restore it, as I am simply not here to fight him and will just let it go to avoid any drama. However, FYI anyway. Thank you very much, MC — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well he claims he's not edit warring. I'm not going to revert that either; I believe the community can take care of that. Drmies (talk) 16:56, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

103.25.249.243
May be a sockpuppet of 103.25.249.227, an IP that you blocked. First 3 numbers are the same and they edit the same pages in the same manner. //● →█2003  LN  6█→ ●// 19:59, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Not a sock or a meat--it's the same person. Drmies (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Another possible sock...
I have a suspicion that User:Cavide96 is a sock of User:Naxsy and User:Andriyrussu. They have very similar editing habits, at times making identical edits that were previously reverted. Anwegmann (talk) 01:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * , is it time to rethink the whole ANI 2.0 thing? ;) Drmies (talk) 03:01, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There's a possibility that User talk:BunicaValea is also sock of all of the above. I don't know how I'm constantly stumbling on these, but they all edit in the exact same way. Anwegmann (talk) 18:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Oakwood Cemetery (Montgomery, Alabama)
—Ganesha811 (talk) 00:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

My problem
Drmies, my problem is that if I stop reverting and report, as I have done many times, then his version stays while I collect the evidence and the investigation is going on. Luckily I have found admins who now know him and are fast at investigating, but still it takes some time. And, once his sock is blocked, I can revert him... but then, in a second, his version will be back 'cause another sock of his will immediately appear. And if i do it all over, stop reverting and instead report, again his version stays while the process is ongoing. Effectively, many of his edits and versions stay, while my correction gets immediately reverted. For example...after some of the latest socks were blocked, I or other users corrected the Spain article, the genetic history of Italy article, the genetic history of the Iberian Peninsula article, the Romance languages article, the Battle of Lepanto article. But he just reverted with the new socks I mentioned at Talk:Trajan. And he will do it again when blocked. And so the current verion of these articles is his. I waste much more time than him at collecting evidence and reporting, while at the end of the day he acts not constrained by rules and is able to make much more edits than me with the many socks he creates. And (the irony!) I am the one who tries to be a good-faith user, while he is the permanently blocked one. But effectively he is the one not costrained. In this sense, sad for me to say it but it is the truh, he has been right to call me a fool who cannot stop him. Also, he checks every edit I do (so let me say "Hi" to Venezia/James who is reading this too) and often intervenes to change them later on. This is how I discovered some of his socks in previous years because I was like damn, so many of my edits are destroyed for no reason after a few hours or days. Then I discovered it was always him, chasing me. I let Venezia Friulano work for a lot of time on wikipedia eve I though i knew it was James Oredan. I was wrong because he did a lot of damage. Then he even said I WAS THE ONE chasing him (accusation in a mirror is his forte). So now I am basically on this anti-vandal crusade and now the most I do on wikipedia is to control this blocked user and I cannot do anything else. I do certain edits without logging in because I want to avoid edit wars by not revealing my identity, or I had to come at certain discussions and say "hey this is Barjimoa, but I forgot to log in". Not to to sound miserable, but to an extend I kinda am. The only consolatoon is that James/Venezia is also wasting his days, months and years like this, so we are both miserable. I don't know if there are some solutions for this? Barjimoa (talk)
 * Well the question with each individual sock is, do you want to fill up the article history with reverts and reverts, or can it just sit for a day or two until the sock is blocked? What gives the sock greater pleasure? The reverts, no doubt. In general there's just very little we can do, though the article is now protected for a while. Drmies (talk) 20:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I found a few more. Drmies (talk) 21:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC
 * Drmies, also the following: Tyrefr, Flutoumb, Auxeron, FriedrichC82, Fleanot, Lucenselugo, and Unidosporasensio. I have also informed the admin Daniel Case who has lately blocked lots of these socks, so that you can work in two and it's less heavy.Barjimoa (talk) 07:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm on it but please link the user/talk pages next time. Two of the names must have a typo, and the last one, I need to see a bit more evidence. Drmies (talk) 22:05, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The last one was created to edit a number of pages (War of Jenkin's Ear, War of the Quadruple Alliance, Anglo-Spanish War, colonial empire) in which a number of IPs and blocked socks of James/Venezia were also active (such as User:Alburobizet) and pushed there some of his historic anti-English agenda that have been relentlessy dealt with and reverted by many other good-faith users. I have have dealt occasionally with this type of anti-English socks of James. Broadly speaking, what they typically do incude: inventing out of nowhere (or overstressing) Spanish victories against England; removing with little explanation (or downplaying) English victories against Spain; claiming the British empire was colonial/bad and smaller while the Spanish empire was non-colonial/good and bigger; changing figures accordingly (casualties or size of empire); personally attacking British users (in various ways: usually implying they are biased and racists; his typical accusation in a mirror etc etc); this is not the case but often times they have a British name and pretend to be British (already blocked: JamesOredan, SmithGraves), just like some of his anti-portuguese socks pretend to be Portuguese and some of his anti-Italian socks pretend to be Italian. And sorry you are right, it's User:Tyrefr and User:Floutomb.Barjimoa (talk) 04:59, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, can you protect the Battle of Lepanto page given that he has been blocked and reverted but continues with other socks?Barjimoa (talk) 15:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Just fyi
Just so you're aware of what's going on see here. Moxy 🍁 00:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Does it ever stop? Drmies (talk) 00:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I personally follow three shock puppets for years.... have not reported them because they've seem to have learned their lesson...as in they make positive contributions now. Sometimes it's better to just watch over them than it is to figure out who they are every new account. That said in this case and in other cases that I report it's usually because of behavioral or copyright issues. Moxy 🍁 01:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There's another one, reported earlier on this page, who just can't stop. Worse, there's a racist who pops up on a daily basis. The internet has been a great asset for racists and sexist. Drmies (talk) 01:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Anonymity behind a PC has been great for voicing all points of view... be they logical or not. Freedom of speech is a great thing....but not so great for Wikipedia. Moxy 🍁 01:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Edit summaries?
Sorry, but what do you mean by be more explicit in edit summaries? Where did I go wrong. v/r - Seawolf35 T--C 15:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You reverted a bunch of their edits without explaining why. After checking, I can see why (unjustified warnings on IP talk pages), but we should still explain what we're doing. Thanks. BTW I indef-blocked the editor. If they come back in another guise, please let me know. Drmies (talk) 15:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

More involving Sockpuppet investigations/Otuọcha
Morning. The IPs have been busy adding more suspected socks above. I already closed the first naming for insufficient evidence. Undaunted, they've now added. In reviewing the first article they listed, Auddy Kelly, I thought that Otuọcha's edits ran contrary to Pfomma's, e.g., adding a notability tag to an article that Pfomma created, but then I got stuck on Pfomma's and another user's behavior,, suspicious that those two are socks of each other. First, take a look at their userpages: besides comparing the similarities between the two current versions, also compare the current version of Pfomma's userpage with a previous version of Jparrd's. It's possible that Jparrd copied Pfomma's, but it is obviously the same as Pfomma's. Also, the article intersection is substantial. However, they appear to edit using different platforms and some of Jparrd's edits, I believe (I looked at them a while ago and forgot to keep the window up), are vandalism of Pfomma's creation. Before I take action at the SPI, though, I'd like to know if Jppard is a sock of Pfomma, assuming you're willing to run a check. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Drmies, it's fine if you're not willing to run a check...I'd just like to know one way or the other. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Shoot Bbb, did I miss a message? Sorry, I've been out of town. Drmies (talk) 01:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well that evidence was pretty overwhelming, esp. the user page and overlap, and I ran the check: confirmed and now blocked. Thanks Bbb, sorry for the delay. Drmies (talk) 01:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I figured you might be away because you weren't here 24x7 as usual and that when you got back, you might have missed this one. I'm not used to your being away. Hope your trip was pleasure-related. I've taken the liberty of tagging the two accounts as confirmed. Thanks for your help.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:56, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Pleasure? I forgot about that. This was a college visit with my oldest daughter. I feel like my life is falling apart and it's too late to repair. Drmies (talk) 16:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You mean because your daughter is growing up and possibly leaving the nest...or something else? I worry about you sometimes.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Need a friendly rollbacker
Hi, an editor Villkomoses has been converting fiction narratives from present to past tense. They're probably new, they've done a lot of articles over the last few days, and are charging ahead quite fast. I'm not too fussed about this sort of thing, but noticed because they're introducing other grammatical errors and often leaving loads of present tense verbs in place, so the whole thing is a bit of a mess. I initially sent them a long message via talk-page asking them to be more careful, but I realise that the whole enterprise is fundamentally against MOS:PLOT. I've asked them to stop, but I think given the error-prone editing that it would probably be best to undo the whole lot. I'm asking you as a recently-active admin as I didn't want to humiliate a good-faith new editor with an ANI request. If there's somewhere more appropriate, please do let me know. Thanks! Elemimele (talk) 13:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Reversions
Hello. Why are you deleting Presidential results for the cities of Boston and Somerville? The results shown are for the cities in said Presidential elections, they do not show the results for the state of Massachusetts. There is nothing wrong with showing the Presidential results for these cities. If there would be, we might as well delete the election results on every single US county page. ZackCarns (talk) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Interesting that you post here, without simply pinging me from your talk page, where I already explained this. First, oh? Is that so? Because the link you gave isn't to anything specific--am I supposed to start searching in an archived portal? And search for what? Note also that the title in your citation template was "Massachusetts Election Statistics". Second, why should we include that data? Is there agreement on that in the Cities Wikiproject? Third, this is an FA. It wasn't in the last FA version, and I don't agree with its inclusion. If you want it in, you'll have to do a better job referencing it, and you'll have to find some consensus for it. Drmies (talk) 14:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That source was already in there. Someone else referenced it, not myself. I can add the references if you want me to. Also, why not include the data? If we have a section about the politics of the city, we might as well include statistics from said city. ZackCarns (talk) 15:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You used it, so the Pottery Barn Rule applies, I reckon. We can include all the statistics in the world from that city, but I see no reason why. Really, though, you should discuss this on the article talk page or on the Wikiproject page. Drmies (talk) 15:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This seems to be a growing problem I wonder if we should have another talk like this one>>>>>Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States/Archive 14 Moxy 🍁 15:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that link and the comment, . It seems to be part of the continuous movement of making any article all-inclusive. ZackCarns, I hope you saw this comment and the discussion it linked to. For the record, I did not know about this, but it seemed reasonable to me that reasonable editors would have agreed already to keep that kind of material out. Drmies (talk) 17:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Alright. Understood. Truth be told, I've lost interest in the information anyway, as I've moved on to other Massachusetts-related elections stuff. ZackCarns (talk) 17:23, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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Churchill
Re Racial views of Winston Churchill -- there is an entire section on Churchill and Jews--the material I deleted was not based on reliable secondary sources and does not fit in this section in the first place. It is based on one editor's reading a snippet from a primary source and his claim that Churchill " was promoting the antisemitic Jewish Bolshevism conspiracy theory. So I deleted it again. Rjensen
 * OK, Rjensen, and I'm not going to argue against that, but that's very different from your initial edit summary. Anyway, thanks for the note. Drmies (talk) 14:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Time to stop staring at socks, Doktoro!
Your services have been called for. We need someone who can read Gallifreyan to get at the good sources. Do you know anyone? Uncle G (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I know someone who used to ride his bicycle across that bridge, every day, for years, to get to work. That person agrees that a park in the middle of that avenue, like in the old days, would make all of it much nicer. See the map at 5:10 or so? I love that color for the housing blocks, the graphics--that person has such a map in his foyer, from 1936, framed--four by four feet. I'll ask that person to get on it; he'll need to finish watching the video first, and have lunch, and a nap. BTW when you win that Powerball, that person would love to have a flat in that part of Zuid, the Rivierenbuurt. How gloriously beautiful that it; it fills my heart with joy and grief. Drmies (talk) 17:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Did you give a nod to User:T-Nod? Drmies (talk) 20:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry Uncle--ran into a couple more socks, but progress is being made. Drmies (talk) 16:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I have not been there in decades. And even then, I was more familiar with the Nieuwe Amstelbrug in the Ceintuurbaan (my mother grew up in De Pijp). So I will not work on this article. The Banner  talk 17:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

New legal article
I have finished enough of Consciousness of guilt (legal) to go public with it. Further development will be appreciated. -- Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 18:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Alright! I will have another look later, but so far I see a "thusly" in there, and I appreciate that. Good work! Drmies (talk) 18:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Question for you
Is it normal that once a thread at WP:ANI is archived without action, for someone to remove it from archive and restore it? WCM email 15:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Well it's not usual but it happens, yes. I would hope that it came with an explanation... Drmies (talk) 16:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, it appears someone wants me topic banned on anything to do with Tim Hunt. I spoke to you about my concerns there previously.  A lot of accusations of misconduct, no actual evidence mind you.  Fling enough mud about appears to be the tactic. WCM email 16:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Here in the US we fling spaghetti, apparently--it's crazy, I know. Drmies (talk) 16:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, is it this section? I'm not going to get involved and read all that stuff--I read some of it earlier. User:JayBeeEll, you put that back--I assume (I hope) you gave an explanation in the thread (not just in the edit summary) of what you did and why you did it. Both of you, good luck with it. Drmies (talk) 16:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Drmies, thanks for the ping; the number of different places in which WCM has carried this dispute is quite exhausting. I indeed left a note in the thread .  There is a concrete proposal on which 8 or 10 people have weighed in; in my opinion, it deserves closure (ideally in a way that will either (1) leave WCM feeling sufficiently satisfied that they do not continue to bring the same dispute to yet more pages, or (2) involve a topic-ban that forbids WCM from continuing the same dispute anywhere).  I'm sorry that you're not willing to get involved (not that I blame you). JBL (talk) 17:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * P.S. Aside from everything else, the whole "I'm going to put your name in a section-heading at ANI, but when it turns out most people see me as the problem, I'm going to begin leaving a series of whiny messages in lots of places about how sad it is that ANI is being weaponized" shtick is really not charming, even in a British accent. --JBL (talk) 17:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Feel better hen? A tip, if you stop wiki stalking my every move you'll not hear me laughing in British quite so loudly.  WCM email 22:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Draft:Mohammed Ali Tayem
Hello Drmies, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Draft:Mohammed Ali Tayem, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , it's more promotional than most LinkedIn entries--and did you see the first "reference"? Drmies (talk) 19:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I get what you're saying, and it definitely needs work, but the speedy criterion is for pages that serve no other purpose than to promote their subject; unambiguous advertising needing to be completely rewritten to serve as an article, not just that it has some promotional elements. The criterion goes on to say that a promotional draft on a notable topic (a member of Jordanian parliament is I think presumed notable) should be improved rather than deleted. It could be culled down to just what's notable and properly sourced about his political career; there wouldn't be much left but we have plenty of stubs on minor politicians.
 * On the other hand it's also created by a sockpuppet, I didn't notice at the time. G5? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ivanvector, I think my "unambiguous advertising" line is drawn a bit differently from yours, haha. just tagged it as a resume--that's precisely the thing. Such articles, of which there are hundreds if not thousands, are created for pay and they're just advertisements that look like articles. It's the "looking like" that makes editors and admins not tag/delete them as spam, and I get that, I'm not quarreling. Yes, I got to the article because I was rolling up a sock farm, or a collection of sock farms; it's related to Sockpuppet investigations/Isaacrichard, and this one is a match with User:Olakunlepr--but there's so many. Drmies (talk) 00:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Very interesting case..... whole bunch of these drafts are showing up in the normal watch list. Normally drafts don't show up in the generic watch list. Is there something they're doing differently to make them appear? Moxy 🍁 00:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Moxy I saw your edit summary, but I don't understand what you're talking about, sorry; I don't know what you mean with "watch list" here. Drmies (talk) 00:52, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I'm not clear they are popping up on the recent changes link on the side panel Moxy 🍁 00:56, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Right--shouldn't they be? That's where I find them--unless I'm sock hunting of course. Drmies (talk) 01:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Must be a setting I've changed recently.... never seen drafts there before. Moxy 🍁 01:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd guess it's your settings. Drafts show in Special:RecentChanges unless you've set your filters to exclude them. You probably don't see them very often because it's a low-volume namespace, there aren't that many edits to show versus article or talk namespaces. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
As an anonymous editor, I felt attacked.— Usedtobecool ☎️ 01:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Spellcheck did something, I saw it, but I didn't check it. Drmies (talk) 03:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Jack Petocz
Drmies/admin page watchers, please semi-protect and maybe also do some sock checking? Thanks, Natureium (talk) 01:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ,, I'd appreciate it if you had a look at the two accounts, the Lady and the Piano. You've looked there before, according to the log. Drmies (talk) 03:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't believe I've checked these accounts before, but happy to provide a second opinion. I think the two specific accounts are, purely from a technical point of view. From a subjective view, I rather strongly suspect WP:MEAT. --Yamla (talk) 11:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks --I found you in the log, like I said, but I don't know what brought you there. Thanks for looking into it! Drmies (talk) 22:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Cornelius N. Dorsette
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Hale Infirmary
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

2607:fb91:900::/40
Hi, Drmies. Special:Contributions/2607:fb91:900::/40 has too much collateral to be hard blocked. Soft blocking with TMOblock, like the previous block, is more appropriate. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 07:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I can't see the CU evidence, but it does look like a truly astonishingly wide range to be hard blocked, especially without talk page access. I also know of one apparently (as far as I can see) constructive and innocent editor who appears to be caught by this block. JBW (talk) 13:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * JBW, the CU evidence indicates an astonishing amount of socking/disruption (you should see the CU log), but you are welcome to adjust it. Having had it blocked for a few days may have saved us a bunch already. Drmies (talk) 14:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Since you can see evidence that I can't, I certainly don't intend to quarrel with you. As I said, it looks like a wide range to be hard blocked, but I have had a good deal of experience over the years of blocks which look to me like one thing, but with fuller knowledge of the circumstances look like something else, so I don't intend to take any action without fuller knowledge; I merely raised my concerns with you to consider. JBW (talk) 15:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * JBW, I'm not quarreling, and I appreciate your note and your experience. If you say the block is too harsh, it's too harsh--yes there's stuff underneath, but it's not life and death; it's just gross and irritating and we can handle it. Please adjust the block as you see fit: I trust your judgment. Drmies (talk) 16:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * JBW, they came right back with a handful of accounts. Just saying. Drmies (talk) 22:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, that just confirms what I said above,about not taking action without further knowledge. I've restored your version of the block, and I'll leave it to you, since you know more about it than I do. JBW (talk) 07:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , my "just saying" wasn't meant to be coy, like "gotcha"--sorry, maybe that was not the right choice of words. I really meant it quite literally. I'm a bit torn myself over this, and I hate feeling like I have to place hard blocks on long ranges. I can do with some guidance, and you and User:JJMC89 are offering it and I'm learning. I think you two have a lot more technical knowledge than I do, and whatever evidence comes from these glasses of mine shouldn't outweigh every other argument. Let's see if there's more complaints? And then reset the block they way you had it? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:36, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't think you were trying to be coy, or saying something like "gotcha", I thought you were just letting me know what the situation was. I have no idea whether I have more "technical knowledge" than you or not, but I find situations like this difficult. I believe I am more ready than most administrators to impose substantial blocks on IP ranges when it seems to me that there's unlikely to be much damage to innocent editors, but it becomes a more difficult judgement to make when significant collateral damage looks likely. I don't think there's any "right" answer: it's a question of making a personal judgement. JBW (talk) 16:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I took a gander at this after being pointed here. As a rule of thumb, anything Tmobile aka 2607:fb90 or 2607:fb91 will always be too heavy to hard block. I see that the blocks on the /32s as a whole have expired or haven't been consistent. To prevent the disruptors from just going to another wiki and then coming back, and per our global stance on 2607:fb90/32, I have gone ahead and made 2607:fb91/32 a global block. I also reviewed the CU data, and there is not enough data to substantiate this as a hard block - falls very much below the threshold needed. I'm happy to provide details as to why in places where beans aren't as much of a concern. -- Amanda (she/her)  05:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I saw that, Amanda--when I ran CU on the next sock. Drmies (talk) 12:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I can't really parse the meaning behind that reply. If it's concern about a new sock already being created, then I'm happy to collab for ways we can shut that down, because new accounts aren't able to be created from that range now, which means something else is going on. Please feel free to reach out via email if that's a concern. -- Amanda (she/her)  12:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm just a bit miffed that there's no stopping it. Drmies (talk) 14:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:John Paul (scientist)
You kindly restored an edited version of the Draft:John Paul (scientist) (removing copyright violations) I worked on it further, and the original editor User:Gcwcd then requested speedy deletion, (they had not actually edited that version of the draft) I should like to carry on working on it and move it to mainspace. Theroadislong (talk) 18:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

"not pursue this any further"
Do we give out boomerangs at XRV? The OP isn't coming off in a good light. (he understated) &#45;- Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You know if you're coming by here, you might as well congratulate me on the grammar of that sentence! Drmies (talk) 02:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It was an immediate and straightforward NOT#3 close. I would have done it in the days before I noticed the close section says "uninvolved administrator". If that had been done when it should have been, if they then didn't drop it, they'd be in another venue where we didn't have to worry about whether a boomerang was appropriate. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, the thing is that Bbb and I have exchanged recipes for chicken enchiladas via email, so I'm not uninvolved really. I mean, we're not really involved, it's not like we discussed steak or favorite books, but still. BTW, Bbb, Publix didn't have tomatillos, so I'll have to go shopping again tomorrow. Drmies (talk) 02:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy ping regarding User:Saurav0804
Hi Drmies, I think the block should be indef here as I saw the sock notice in their userpage. I guess you might have missed it because of the existing block? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Right--I think some default setting reset that time, but I later discovered the socking so I just not turned it into a CU block. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Production of Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken
Hello, Drmies,

I'm not sure why you reverted the blanking of this draft by the page creator. We usually respect their wishes and see this as a signal that they would like the page deleted. Thanks for any additional information you can offer. Liz Read! Talk! 00:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Because they had also pasted this into a sandbox and moved it into article space, and I deleted that--much easier than moving that back into draftspace, deleting the earlier one, merging the history. They did not want the page deleted. Drmies (talk) 00:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

User Imrubygillman
I think it's blindingly obvious this is a sock of Exteahans71. I've raised an SPI case. Barry Wom (talk) 14:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yep, Barry Wom--which is why I saw reason enough to check, and was surprised to find nothing. I mean, I could look again and see if maybe they used the same phone or laptop from a different place, as much as I could see, but I think that that account is going to have a limited lifespan anyway. Drmies (talk) 14:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Revert of Chicago P.D. season 11
Hi, I noticed you reverted this edit and left a Level 2 vandalism warning template on the IP editor's talk page. Would a  or   template be more appropriate in this case? The edit summary does have quite some emotion to it, but let me know what you think. Thanks! CpX41 (talk) 01:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi--I didn't know we had a "spoiler" warning; that's a bit too granular for me, and I think it's the first time in a decade that I saw something like this. The language of the level-1 warning is inappropriate in most cases, and this person wasn't experimenting or needing help: they were purposely fucking around. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 12:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that they are clearly WP:NOTHERE and likely it's a one-off case (especially since it's a IP editor) so either way, it's deal with. I just wanted to know your take on this since you are much more experienced that I am. Thanks, CpX41 (talk) 14:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Jack Chambers (choreographer)
Hello, Drmies,

According to Draftify, we normally don't draftify articles that are more than 3-6 months old and this article was created in 2011. Do you think there are COI issues that have lasted that long? Liz Read! Talk! 02:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The only substantial edits are COI edits, in my opinion. What would you do? Drmies (talk) 20:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for supporting the removal of unnecessary detail on the Foot fetishism article, I greatly appreciate it. I believe there is a similar amount of excess celebrity detail on the Midriff and Cultural views on the midriff and navel if you are interested in looking at those articles for excess detail to trim. Thank you! GnocchiFan (talk) 12:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oops, GnocchiFan, sorry, meant to get back to you--no problem! There was another one I tackled a while ago but I haven't been able to remember which one that was. Something about position--like squatting or something? Aha: Squatting position. Look at this version! Drmies (talk) 16:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Holy shit that Cultural views on the midriff and navel is something else. Drmies (talk) 16:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries - I know that editing these types of article is often a thankless task, but I appreciate you taking the time to get rid of all the unnecessary / borderline-obsessive celeb trivia and prurient content in these articles. Basically, thanks for wading through the sewage with me on this one, much appreciated. GnocchiFan (talk) 20:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Scounting camps, councils and such
I think local council pages fall under WP:BRANCH and they shouldn't have stand alone articles. What do you think? Merge/re-direct to something already in place or a should new target be created? Graywalls (talk) 21:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * i would think that the general notability criteria would apply. I would expect that few Districts and troops would meet that bar, but councils on the other hand, typically own the camps, and would be more likely to get coverage, but obviously that's a case by case deal... as most notability is... -- Aunva6talk - contribs 21:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There are whole lot of local council articles and they're for the most part based on primary sources. Since it's an organization/group, they need to meet WP:NCORP. Most are not meeting this. Strictly local coverage only relevant to the area served by that council would fail WP:AUD Graywalls (talk) 22:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * user:aunva6, I've been through a couple of discussions and AfDs, and usually the counterargument was "Boy Scouts are big and important so they should be considered notable". That shouldn't hold up, but it has. I remember an AfD a few years ago on a council, in Florida perhaps, loaded with content based on primary sources--and while one might expect coverage pertaining to land ownership and zoning and all that, there was nothing there, not even that, and I searched. The best coverage was about individual events, some opening or celebration, and I think there was some news on a storm--just not enough per NCORP, for instance, but the nay-sayers typically really don't complain about a lack of secondary sourcing in these articles. Drmies (talk) 23:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you
I appreciate your action here. As someone who appreciated the user's anti-vandalism edits, I was seriously disappointed to discover their sockpuppetry. I have left them a message on their talk page explaining the standard offer to them and warning them about the consequences of block evasion, more specifically pointing them to WP:3X. Speaking from my experience patrolling recent changes alongside them, I'd really love to see them return in six months, but unfortunately, if this continues, I don't think that will be on the table.

Once again, thank you for stepping in here. JeffSpaceman (talk) 21:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * JeffSpaceman, I saw their impressive list of contributions, and I just don't get it. They know what to do, and yet they blatantly shot themselves in the foot. One of the reasons I reverted and blocked them quickly (not quickly enough for them to have a second shot) was that I figured they were only digging deeper. Thanks--who knows, maybe they'll see the light. Drmies (talk) 23:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree, it was definitely a good call to revert and block quickly, per WP:BANREVERT. In response to the socking, I left a message on the talk page of the master account giving them a very stern warning about block evasion, which can be viewed here. Once again, thank you for your diligence, it is much appreciated. JeffSpaceman (talk) 00:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * They've been low key shit stirring for months. I think they got bored that no one was reacting anymore and escalated. I originally took it to be bored kid, didn't realize they were an LTA but not surprised since I was engaged in connect the socks briefly. Le sigh. Thanks for the clean up Star   Mississippi  01:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Right--six months is too long to wait for some people, and they definitely made this last one to get attention. Sucks, cause that really resets the six-month clock. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * An alternative suggestion was made by in their global lock log, but rather tentatively and that doesn’t seem to fit the “low key shit stirring for months”, unless there were few to no good edits during the period in question.—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  02:56, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * given that this was the editor behind Lauren Boobert and likely other nonsense, I'm not sure it was compromised so much as an ongoing good/bad hand. BMX was nonsense, but I think the public alt was more attempted hat collecting because they saw other editors with that Star   Mississippi  03:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh dear--I didn't know that. That's just gross. I wish someone would just smash the patriarchy. Drmies (talk) 13:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that link, Odysseus--I agree with you. Sometimes it's hard to tell, maybe, but after these edits, no, not for me. Also, there was no sign in the log (for the last three months) that suggested that. Drmies (talk) 13:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Bali sockfarm
Thanks for handling this incredibly prolific sockfarm. It feels like whack-a-mole. It's hard for or me to catch up with filing new SPIs. Can we give you a short unbeaurocratic heads-up in case the next one flies into our respective radars? Austronesier (talk) 15:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure--though I'm not an expert. These six were easy enough, fortunately, but if I remember blocked a bunch of them a few weeks ago--maybe include them in your unbeaurocratic heads-up as well? BTW it was good old User:JarrahTree who pointed me that way. Take care, Drmies (talk) 16:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Here we go (*sigh* ← citing JarrahTree's favorite exclamation): . Another day, another sock. -_- Austronesier (talk) 18:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You got User:Tou Soembawa nih Bos2 for free. ;) Drmies (talk) 23:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sigh it seems to be a fertile source maybe it has good rainfall, something very different from where I come from - viz my talk page re our damned drought... JarrahTree 12:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Range blocks (definitely 112.215.208.0/20; 203.78.112.0/20 is already range-blocked) might also help. Can I ask for them also in SPI? Usually I only read "no comment about IPs" when I bring it up. –Austronesier (talk) 13:04, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you can ask for anything you like. Hell, just ask for someone to check the "administrator" box for you in the user rights management panel! (Think about it.) They say "no comment" because they can't comment, but that doesn't mean they don't look at it and perhaps act on it, you know? We're secretive and elusive, like secret agents working behind secret screens, pulling secret levers that cause things to fall thousands of miles away: the unknown superheroes of Wikipedia! Especially ! Drmies (talk) 16:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Nice. Next time I'll check behind the curtains whenever I see "no comment" :) But as for that suggestion of yours: uhm, I'll have to think very hard about it. At least as hard as jarrah wood (no pun intended). –Austronesier (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

THIS
is how we know them.😜 &#45;- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Size matters, DFO! Drmies (talk) 02:13, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Er könnte etwas größer sein . . . . &#45;- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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Synthese
Hi, you're certainly better acquainted with philosophy than me (even though I have Russell's "History of Western Philosophy" currently on my nightstand - I shit you not, at least a year :-). Could you have a look at this article and it's recent history and tell me whether I really am wrong about this? --Randykitty (talk) 18:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm I'm reading a novel about Kant, almost done! And in German! I reverted--I believe you are correct. I could say more, but I gotta go to class; I'll try to weigh in on the talk page later today or tomorrow. Drmies (talk) 18:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Your efforts being discussed at BLPN
Just giving you a heads-up -- Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard -- Nat Gertler (talk) 13:18, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you Nat. Drmies (talk) 13:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I've NOTHEREd the user.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's swift action, Bbb. Drmies (talk) 13:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Umm, do you think it was too swift? BTW, I haven't reverted the user's latest petition edits, mainly because it feels WP:INVOLVED, but shouldn't they be reverted per WP:ARBECR?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * As the designated admin who handles the ARBPIA stuff, I took care of that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I will note that I reverted one insertion at Wallace Shawn (not on an ARBECR basis, just on UNDUE), which was then restored by another, more-experienced-than-the-inserter user. Whether that should be kept is a separate decision. (The issue is on a talk page; so far, only myself and the restore have waded into the discussion.)
 * If you folks don't mind my not-entirely-uninvolved viewpoint, while Ithe edits should be undone and curtailed, I think both the giving of a final vandalism warning for edits that were not individually vandalism and the harsh sentence delivered are not fully justified by these wrong-but-not-ridiculously-unencyclopedic edits by a (supposed, I'm a bit suspicious -- these edits come a day after another user was criticized for introducing the same claims from the same months-old source) newby. That's just INGHO. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 14:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Nat Gertler, I hear you--there's no level 4 for "disruptive editing", unfortunately, and I would have used that, but in the end it doesn't really matter what that wording is. When you continue a serious streak like that and you don't listen and don't materially address the issue, a final warning seems fair to me; I don't know what a level 3 warning would have achieved. I can't speak for Bbb, but as an admin, I've seen such cases before and we know how they inevitably end; they're righting great wrongs, bypassing the fact that we're a collaborative environment. FWIW, I could not see any socking but it wouldn't be the first time that there are concerted group efforts to bring such content into a mass of articles (and perhaps this new account simply copied the text from other articles). What was that letter, a few years ago, signed by 80 or so academics concerted with academic freedom, and then they discovered the case wasn't so simple and many of them retracted that? That's the danger also of not adhering to NOTNEWS. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair 'nuff. There is certainly a legit range of views about long a piece of WP:ROPE is called for. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 15:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Data science sock
looks like another sock of. - MrOllie (talk) 14:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Got it, thanks--and I found a few more, that you had already run into as well. Drmies (talk) 15:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Exciting stuff
You've got mail!-- Ponyo bons mots 19:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ssshhht...in the middle of an exam...modern American literature... ;) Drmies (talk) 19:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, "exciting" may be overselling it a bit lot. Mr. Ponyo's kids just finished their last exams on Tuesday, so I experience your world a teeny tiny bit.-- Ponyo bons mots 19:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see saw what I noticed as well. You can disregard the email entirely, if you wish.--  Ponyo bons mots 19:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Did you see my retag? --Yamla (talk) 19:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yup, which is what I was piecing together. "Get actions" can be very illuminating.-- Ponyo bons mots 19:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Emails from you are a balm for my soul. Oh, I see what this is about--that is a bit exciting. Drmies (talk) 19:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Then I need to step up my game as the email was lame.-- Ponyo bons mots 19:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll be the judge of that. My students are doing quote analysis right now. "he can back a car forty miles an hour into a tight squeeze and stop at the wall, jump out, race among fenders, leap into another car, circle it fifty miles an hour in a narrow space, back swiftly into tight spot, hump, snap the car with the emergency so that you see it bounce as he flies out; then clear to the ticket shack, sprinting like a track star, hand a ticket, leap into a newly arrived car before the owner’s half out, leap literally under him as he steps out, start the car with the door flapping, and roar off to the next available spot, arc, pop in, brake, out, run." Yes, Daddychill--that was very exciting and I figured how this was going to end. Still they played the split identity of the sockmaster well, for a while, no? Drmies (talk) 19:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Copyright issues with an editor you thanked
Hi Drmies. I noticed that in December last year you left a note of thanks on User talk:Alcuin regarding their addition to a particular Neil Young article. Not sure you noticed or are aware of the significant copyright violations in most of their edits—they have copied entire (often block quote) paragraphs from multiple sources on each article they've edited, which I think is a significant WP:COPYVIO issue. They have done this on what seems like most of Young's, Aerosmith's, and now the Moody Blues' album articles. I've left a note on their talk page about using quotes and the amount of them in moderation and paraphrasing, but I thought in lieu of raising this at CCI or somewhere (not sure it's at that level), if you get time you might like to go through Young's articles they've contributed to and cut down some of their quote additions. Some of the quotes appear unnecessary—while it may be interesting to fans of his work, I'm not sure we need to quote the artist on every facet of an album's production and recording. I've already done a few.  Ss  112   05:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you give me a couple of diffs? Drmies (talk) 13:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Extensive lifting of whole paragraphs from sources in:, , , , , , , , , ... that's just from a quick scan of their contributions.  Ss  112   15:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I just came from looking at Tonight's the Night (Neil Young album), hadn't seen your response yet--yes, those long quotes probably violate NOTFREE, plus citations are problematic. I was wondering, a few weeks ago (when I started my latest non-stop Tonight's the Night cycle), where the unverified information about the songs came from --now I see it., we need to get to work on this. Drmies (talk) 15:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Time to call in the expert., would you mind having a look? For instance this, already reverted by Ss112, seems like a violation of NOTFREE to me. Is it enough to revdelete? I think this is OK, right? Drmies (talk) 15:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I would not do revision deletion for excessive quotations, though I would likely remove some or tag for over-quoations. — Diannaa (talk) 23:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

About SPI of CandyCola4444
Hello. Right after blocking ORIONIS EQUINOX, a brand new user with the same pattern of ORIONIS EQUINOX is editing Draft:Kharvela's conquests and invasions, User:Tikikam, was created recently, editing the same draft with the same pattern. Imperial [AFCND]  11:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I blocked. Please add them to the SPI so they can be properly tagged. Drmies (talk) 13:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

How tall am I?
Hey, could you take a look at Jacob Cowing? A new editor has been changing the height and weight and basing it on NFL Combine, even though the external links, ESPN and somebody else, say differently. And we're not talking about a minor difference in height, but 3". I've been posting warnings to the editor's Talk page, as well as some advice on what to do, but you know me and sports. I realize that Cowing is no longer a college footballer, but I'd hazard that you know more about professional football than I do, which is, as I've said repeatedly, nil. (This post was not generated with AI, but with the lower intelligence of a human (reportedly) being.)--Bbb23 (talk) 18:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm NFL--sounds like a job for User:Jweiss11? Or, if all else fails, we call it American, and call in User:Muboshgu? I'll admit that I am actually more comfortable thinking in inches than in centimeters these days. I'm not proud of it. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

MI High
Was in the process of deleting stuff on that article and saw the conflict message, thought to myself "here we go, some fan's restored it" but was pleasantly surprised to see someone else appearing and noticing it's a load of absolutely useless fan wiki trivia. Loved the description of "useless table porn" btw. Rambling Rambler (talk) 14:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ha, sure thing, Rambling Rambler--sorry, didn't mean to steal the cheese from your sandwich, so to speak. I like the phrase too and I wish I could take credit for it. I just looked through the history: there were two very enthusiastic editors who added all that material over a decade ago. Thanks--I appreciate your help in cleaning up, and thanks for the note. After typing out your name I gotta go listen to the Allman Brothers, with a quiet nod to Dickey Betts. Drmies (talk) 14:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Well given how there was apparently only ever a single DVD of the show released (and only a partial season at that) I think we know who the sole purchasers of it were. The now-removed production section was almost entirely reliant on a single special feature from it... Rambling Rambler (talk) 14:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm concerned you can just redirect List of M.I. High characters to the main article. There's nothing there for us--it's Wikia stuff. Drmies (talk) 14:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ha, only just saw this after doing just that. Great(?) minds think alike it seems. Rambling Rambler (talk) 15:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Absolutely! ;) Drmies (talk) 15:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Something looks fishy
Hi,

You blocked. Looking at the history of this draft, raises red flags. Logs show they registered the account 15 February 2024 but have done absolutely nothing until now although their editing did start before your block of the other account. -- Whpq (talk) 03:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Well done--thanks! Drmies (talk) 11:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Apple RM
Thank you for closing Talk:Apple. I've removed the RM notice from Apple but RMCD bot keeps re-adding it. Does the close need to be tweaked in some way to stop this? (The problem may relate to a previous RM rather than the recent one.) Certes (talk) 15:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * THe move discussion needs to be closed with the usual closing templates. I think I've done that now. Let's hope the move request disappears from WP:RMCD at the next bot run. EdJohnston (talk) 16:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. Oh, I don't know what went wrong, but EdJohnston, I appreciate your help. Drmies (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Class project?
You welcomed] Delphi07 as a student apparently involved in a class project. Have you been able to identify the class or the teacher? Because during WP:RCP I've noticed a spike in activity in the area of socio-economics, including Delphi07's editing of Medical debt and Distribution of wealth as well as 's editing of Environmental racism. These edits all involve large blocks of changes involving copyright violations. I'd like to contact the teacher, if possible, and have them rein in their students' editing until proper copyright respect can be instilled. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a colleague figured it out for me--the link is this, but MS won't let me open it now. It worked this morning. It's a project from Charles University in Prague. Drmies (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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IP
Does this look like meatpuppetry/sockpuppetry to you? Another IP arrives while IP109.242.73.191 is still blocked, doing edits to Georgian topics.

Does this look like block evasion to you? --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:01, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think you should have a look at 109.242.72.0/22 and revert where necessary. Drmies (talk) 18:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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Your e-mail
Hey Drmies, just a heads up that I haven't forgotten your 4/30 e-mail, but it is a greater challenge to my tired brain than other things, so it's still sitting in my inbox waiting for me to rise to the challenge. Thanks for your patience.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries Bbb--maybe I was just venting anyway. Get some rest. ;) Drmies (talk) 18:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Easier said than done. I have time to "rest". I try to rest. But I don't rest (translate sleep).--Bbb23 (talk) 18:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry Bbb. Have you exhausted the supply of "new" pharmaceuticals, including those not for sale in my state? Drmies (talk) 21:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I avoid new and old pharmaceuticals. I'd much rather suffer.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Door Redactie/Redactie meaning
Hi Drmies, I have noticed UPE/suspected UPE editors citing articles published by nl.mashable.com. In the vast majority of instances, the by-line is Redactie. Some examples are this, this, this and this link to a list of recent articles by Redactie/Door Redactie. I get different Google translate results for "Redactie" such Editorial or Editorial Staff. What does it mean in this context? I also noticed looking at recent articles some are in Dutch and some in English. Is it normal for a Dutch publication to have some articles in Dutch and others in English (or a different language)? Happy Friday! S0091 (talk) 17:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "Redactie" simply means "staff", yes. Sure, the Dutch know English, and while I don't read any bilingual publications myself, I'm sure they exist. But I would NOT accept Mashable articles (any of the ones that I just looked at) as acceptable sources: it seems to me that it's all marketing-driven. Look at this shit, for instance, written by the same "Redactie". This is just an ad for this. Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources has a note on it--and I haven't seen anything on it yet that is not "sponsored content". That movie review for The Fall Guy has a by-line, but no one should cite that here. Drmies (talk) 21:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * OK I saw the article created by Wellington. Are there more? Drmies (talk) 21:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This started with Justin Jin (entrepreneur) created by User:Deondernemers (AfD, last batch of socks listed at User talk:Blablubbs).  Deondernemers states on their user page their wife works for Mashable and they used it for the JJ article  along with Draft:Poybo Media (JJ's company) and Undetectable.ai .  I did an insource search for "nl.mashable.com" out of curiosity and that's how I found Wellington's articles along with articles created by other likely UPE editors such as 12Go and Andrew Masanto.  Take a look at the glorious WP:CITEOVERKILL at Georgina Lara Booth.  S0091 (talk) 15:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , that last article is absolutely awful and I'm not done with it. In the meantime, and maybe you can pass this on to that section on 's talk page, I blocked Wellington, a pretty obvious paid editor, for socking with User:Goodmans238; note the overlap which isn't huge but is significant. I ran another check or two but found no connection to the sockfarm(s) discussed in that section. Drmies (talk) 16:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure they are connected but I'll leave a note for B just in case. Based on off-wiki research and what I see here, there are several publications that are for hire so used by various UPEs.  Mashable is just one and the JJ articles serve as an excellent guide to several others.  Every single source was paid for and much of what they say is at best stretching the truth if not pure bullshit.  The other UPE tactic I've noticed is drumming up a "controversy", either fake or something mild, because they believe it will protect them from NPOV/UPE speculation and it does work as you can see with Wellington.  Both EV.com and  Gulstan Advisory passed NPP review.  See also this example of having a controversy section being used as a reason to remove the UPE tag.  Thanks for entertaining my rabbit hole.  I know there's more to come as I keep digging.  S0091 (talk) 17:10, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

IP block evasion
I recently noticed that a disruptive IP editor operating on the 6-month blocked 2003:C0:6F00:0:0:0:0:0/42 range has been utilizing the 2003:C0:6F00:0:0:0:0:0/41 range (despite the block notice for the /42 range being visible when viewing contributions from the /41 range). As the blocking admin, I request some sort of broadening of the net, if possible. Thank you, ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, but I want you to know that I was the blocking admin. That person is persistent, aren't they. Drmies (talk) 13:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * My grammar was terrible there, as I was trying to be clear that you were the blocking admin. Clearly, I wasn't clear. Best and thanks, ~ Pbritti (talk) 13:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. No problem. BTW I also found that notice to be confusing, and it's not the first time I see that. Thanks, and keep up the good work. Drmies (talk) 16:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * For some reason, it just occurred to me to ask: if it's a 6-month block that began 1 December (link), why is the notice still visible? Additionally, your most recently applied block is only visible when viewing individual IP's contributions on the /41 range—of no consequence but still odd. I feel like something funky must be occurring with the blocks on that particular range. In any case, best to you and thanks for your great help! ~ Pbritti (talk) 14:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Pbritti, I don't know what to tell you. I checked the logs, including my own, and I see what you see but it also clearly says, when I try to confirm the block, "2003:C0:6F00:0:0:0:0:0/41 is already blocked". Strange--but again, I've seen similar strangenesses before... Drmies (talk) 15:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Considering your experience with it and the fact it hasn't been a real problem, I'll not worry about it. Again, thanks for your help! ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I believe this may be because both /41 and /42 begin at "6F00". I don't think think the code is taking the /range portion into consideration at all, but just "blocks that apply to 2003:C0:6F00:0:0:0:0:0". If that's true, then the /42 is older so shows first. Someone smarter who's actually read the code could say more. -- ferret (talk) 15:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Seeming IP sock of block USER:SteveBenassi making POV edits and edit warring
Hello. I am unsure whether you are the one to contact about this or of the procedure. But I am messaging because I suspect the IP user https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:444:300:B070:E90B:1155:46C0:DBB0 to be a sock of the user USER:SteveBenassi who was blocked for being WP:NOTHERE. I thought I might bring this to your attention because you were the one who blocked SteveBenassi last time.

The IP is now active on some of the same pages and engaged in edit warring and POV-pusging edits. Similarities include POV-pushing in favor of the minority views on Jewish genetics of Eran Elhaik and Yardumian and posting their studies on the Talk pages of a range of articles related to Jews (especially Genetic studies of Jews and Ashkenazi Jews), insistence on edit warring, ignoring revert explanations and objections to their changes, and a refusal to build WP:CONSENSUS., as well as WP:SOAPBOX-like starements in Talk pages. The same claim/insistence that, "Elhaik is a Zionist but is not biased." was also made by both this IP and the blocked user. See here and here:



SteveBenassi also claimed to be from Minnesota on his user page. And this IP geolocates to same region of the north Midwestern US.

Here is the article's revision history for reference. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genetic_studies_of_Jews&action=history

Their edit warring seems to be getting worse. Any attention to this matter is appreciated. Skllagyook (talk) 12:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 12:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Skllagyook (talk) 15:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Mistakes are being made
So, I'm back and I have this thing being written up. Any chance you'd be able get me a copy of Sandeep Ray's article about it? Or if there are any Dutch sources... — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * YOURE BACK!!!! (tandfonline--probably not; I'll look for dutch sources later) Drmies (talk) 01:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Kinda, sorta. One person I'd met and one I'd cited extensively passed, so I cleaned up their articles enough for ITN, then I found myself writing about some other women's rights activists, and then ... boom. I'll try the desk for that Ray article. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And the quality of new articles in the Indonesian project has just gone up... JarrahTree 10:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Chris, my library actually has that journal (online), but not this issue--not until a year after publication. I'd ask the fine people at the WP:LIBRARY. Drmies (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm I found a few hits, including in this book which looks interesting ;), but not much else. Apparently the VPRO had it on their site, and here is something really interesting (I'm watching). I'm sure you saw this already. Drmies (talk) 15:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I did manage to get the article through the Wikipedia Library; didn't realize we had this program up. I'm seeing that a lot of these references to Mecca are after I touched on Krugers in my thesis; nice to know I was on the vanguard! I'll take a look at those sources after work. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * I absolutely did not expect you to tell the sock account to "get a life". I laughed so hard. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, I probably shouldn't have, but it's so sad. I'm the supposed "gender-confused moron", and he is the sad person who's got nothing better to do than to go from public place to library to coffeeshop, vandalizing articles. I'm at home, not confused about anything at all except for why the Knicks aren't up by ten points; he's being doing this lonely stuff probably since the last time the Pacers bead the Knicks in the conference semifinals. He hates women, he hates Black people, he hates successful people. Drmies (talk) 00:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's just like some people say: "Those punks will never learn." And yes, my brother goes to IU, so he's obviously supporting the Pacers. I mean, I sometimes watch NBA games, but for the most part, I'm not sure if the Pacers/Knicks are doing well this season. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * By the way, he's probably not done. Look at the writing, look at the size of the edit--don't revert, just report to AIV. If you revert, he reverts, and he gets off on that. Yeah I know, that's sad and crusty too. Drmies (talk) 00:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Did not see that after I wrote my comment above. Ack. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Wherefore art thou English majors?
I saw this and thought of you. -- Ponyo bons mots 17:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * It's the end, and yet I feel fine. Geoff &#124; Who, me? 17:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ugh. You should see how badly my students did in Intro to Linguistics on basic matters of grammar and sound. Also, yeah, I'm sure we're not the only ones losing English majors--countdown to retirement. God I never thought I'd say that. Thanks Ponyo--I'll read it after my nap. ;) Drmies (talk) 17:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm at least glad that they retained English classes in high school (even though I'm about to go to college). I have no idea if they are going to keep English in schools, or if they'll just get rid of it entirely. The possibilities are endless NoobThreePointOh (talk) 18:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Not an English major, but I will chime in to say that I'm feeling pretty useless as an Indonesian lit major in... a city with an Indonesian population of less than 300. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah it's depressing. Funny, I know Cohen, the ASU dean--he works in my field and has written interesting material on monsters. There are so many factors here, like the lack of state funding, the fetishistic focus on STEM (at my wife's high school, teaching STEM gets you a 20k bonus), the enduring treatment of English faculty and English departments as service people--we get to teach the hard stuff, at half the salary, and the fad of Writing across the curriculum is probably over now because it turns out that the rest of the faculty can't teach writing and can barely write themselves, so it became English professors teaching everyone else how to write in their field.No one talks or listens to the staff or the cleaning crew, and that's what we are, teaching freshman comp and lit survey--core curriculum, for as long as it lasts, and ChatGPT isn't helping. My colleagues in history have five years to bring up their number of graduating students, an impossible task given their current number of majors, which declines every year; in five years, they'll have to merge into something else. And a decade or more ago (there's much talk of institutional support and fancy new buildings in the article)--OK, 17 years ago, when I came to this place, the plans for a new Liberal Arts building were hanging in our conference room, but the old-timers were already laughing at that: a pipe dream. Ten years ago the repainted the room and quietly took the plans down; where that building was going to be are now a set of smaller labs, not far from the brand new science building. And of course we built a state of the art rec center because that, apparently, draws students. Ah well. The article included someone who was "late-career": I wouldn't have thought I'd feel that way so quickly. Drmies (talk) 21:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

FYI: Account you indef blocked is back on an alt to ask for an unblock
FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SpooderMan6920no1#May_2024 Pilaz (talk) 17:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * i opened an SPI -- Aunva6talk - contribs 20:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * aand they blocked -- Aunva6talk - contribs 21:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks--and thanks, . Drmies (talk) 21:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

BeauSuzanne
You told to lay off editing  while logged out, but they're still at it, making drafts using unreliable sources and even voting on AfDs, which feels like they're trying to WP:GAMING. — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 15:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Saqib. It wasn't me. I am not doing any edit outside of my account. I am active on my account.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 15:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC))
 * How did you just appear out of nowhere? — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 15:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Saqib You pinged them in your message. -- ferret (talk) 15:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh ok - but they've been inactive for over 6 hours now. — Saqib  ( talk  |  contribs ) 15:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Saqib Pings can cause emails to a user. I personally turn that off but. -- ferret (talk) 15:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am right here. And checking some articles.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 15:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC))
 * Oh I'm going to have to be stern. User:Saqib, there is NO technical evidence whatsoever that BeauSuzanne is socking. I will grant you that there are similarities, but please don't state as a fact what you can only hypothesize--again, there is NO evidence, and I just checked. I appreciate that you're trying to keep the place clean, but the IPs you are pointing at are not them--they do, of course, warrant scrutiny, and I'll ping and User talk:ToadetteEdit so they know what they're dealing with. However, BeauSuzanne, there is a WEALTH of evidence that you have been editing while logged out, for a long time and in many articles. Marina Khan shows it, as do a host of other articles, so just stop that talk--and consider yourself lucky you weren't CU-blocked for logged-out collusion. Drmies (talk) 15:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, I don't recall you specifically telling me that this IP range isn't linked with BeauSuzanne, otherwise, I wouldn't have accused them again. But I'm just curious, why isn't anyone bothering to look into behavioral evidence? Why do we have to rely solely on technical evidence? — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 15:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't specify this or any other range, but I said last time there was no evidence of them socking, if I remember correctly. As for behavioral evidence--I didn't look at that because I don't really see the need to. The technical evidence tells me they're most likely not socking unless they travel a lot of miles very frequently, and for me that's all there is to it. If BeauSuzanne's editing is problematic, there are ways to address it. Keep in mind that, for many of us, socking doesn't really become interesting unless the edits are problematic. Does that make sense? Drmies (talk) 16:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that makes sense. And if you recall, I started a discussion on WP:AN and explained why I see their editing behavior as similar to paid editing, but it didn't get much attention, and it's now archived and such lack of action gives more encouragement to paid editors. — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 17:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Right. Well, AN and ANI, it's always a grab bag. You can try WP:COIN also... Drmies (talk) 17:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Seriously? I'm not going to go down that route. After presenting my case at WP:AN, which unfortunately went unnoticed, I feel like another report on BeauSuzanne might lead people to think I'm personally attacking them, especially since  BeauSuzanne  has mentioned it several times now, even on Liz's tp. On a different note, some sock farms created and contributed extensively this page to WP:GAME and now my concerns have been confirmed because this IP range is defending their questionable sources and citing WP:PKRS as a reference. I'm just curious if this IP range can be checked for socking. — Saqib  ( talk  |  contribs ) 17:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

BTW I don't think that the sourcing in Draft:Gumn is significantly worse than for comparable articles in article space. Drmies (talk) 21:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * It appears you're focusing on quantity here. At first glance, the references seems sufficient, but upon closer examination, many of these sources fall into non RS category. While the remaining sources, which are considered RS lack sufficient coverage according to WP:SIRS. If you're up for it, I can evaluate each and every one of them for you. — Saqib  ( talk  |  contribs ) 22:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've removed CRAP sources. They don't even meet the borderline criteria for WP:RS and can't be used for WP:V. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 11:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Likely IP sock of User:Sudsahab making PoV edits
Hello @Drmies. I wanted to inform you that an IP, likely a sock of User:Sudsahab, is trying to restore the article Northern Campaign of Raghunath Rao. It's likely that this will continue and so I suggest that you indefinite protect the page. PadFoot2008 11:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm sorry, but there's no technical evidence for socking that I can see. Drmies (talk) 16:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Philosophical


I don't have the energy for this user. Not all of their edits are wrong, but many are, and they apparently don't feel the need to respond to my warnings, and I'm not comfortable blocking. Communication obviously isn't their strong point, but you're more willing than I to engage (new) editors. Plus humanities is more your area than mine. I don't believe in humanity. If you don't want to do anything, I absolutely understand, but I thought I'd give it a shot. Back to our Spring weather.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Just make sure that if you ever have or meet some kids that you send them off to humanities, and not into business or computer science or whatever. They can ALWAYS do that later in life. Drmies (talk) 23:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have six kids, all of whom will be going to college shortly. I've told them all to major in business so they can support their parents in the style we'd like to be accustomed to. I figure even if only half of them major in business, the odds are good at least one of them will have plenty of money. The biggest problem I foresee is the more successful they are the less likely they are to "share the wealth". They teach them that in Greed 101, a required first-year course.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Bbb stop telling stretchers. Drmies (talk) 02:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Drmies is right. I ended up going into government after humanities! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The other way of looking at it is you could have been making money a lot earlier--but then the world would be deprived of all these great articles on old Indonesian movies! Drmies (talk) 01:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "Money" :) Pretty sure if I'd gotten my degree converted to an MA and done two years of teacher's college, I'd be earning a bit more a year teaching (and it would cap out near twice what I'm earning now). But yeah, it is fun writing articles. This guy sounds like he just wanted to care for his garden, and they decided administration should be his gig. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm taking marketing and business when I go to college. I had chosen cybersecurity at first, then political science, and now this. The worst part is that my older brother told me that I'll have to take business calculus in my spring semester of college, and I'm not really looking forward to it. I did pretty (well I don't want to sugarcoat it) shitty in precalculus during my junior year of high school. I've learnt the saying "Cs get degrees", but calculus is what really freaks me out because of derivatives, functions, etc. This is not going to be fun at all. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 02:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Good thing college in the US is easy! And on your side it's "Cs get degrees"; we're more of the "C is the new D" mindset. Drmies (talk) 02:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Nah, calculus is the worst. It makes me want to just smack my head on the wall. In fact, during my junior year, I had not just precalculus, but also chemistry during that same semester. But uh, yeah. I assume on your side Cs are just as bad as Ds. Eugh. All I pray is that college is indeed easy, because I've only got about a week or so left until I finally leave high school. I know it might be easy in the U.S., but I reeaaallly don't want to take any chances. Hoo boy. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 02:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ha, no I meant it: college in the US is easy. That you have to take calculus is unfortunate--should have been handled in high school, haha. And what I meant was that in the old days, say a decade ago, if a certain number of points on an exam, a certain quality of writing in a paper, a level of understanding, would have been graded "D", today we give it a C, in large part because we want your tuition. Did you know that college professors get evaluated on their students' grades? If y'all make poor grades, if you get sick and drop a class, if you can't afford tuition and drop out of college, we are the ones who get blamed for it and this directly influences merit raises (which are usually the only raises we get). So please do well and make your professor look good. ;) Drmies (talk) 02:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Riiight. It might not be easy, but I guess it depends on effort. Oh well. Definitely should keep my expectations up and just show my best work. :P NoobThreePointOh (talk) 02:26, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

RD6 in Talk:The Monument Mythos
I think also qualifies for REVDEL because of its edit summary. Nickps (talk) 11:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * may also qualify. Nickps (talk) 13:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was the one from the bot. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 15:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

SPI case
. Hesistant to reach you this way but I had no option. Southasianhistorian8 has done forum shopping for another deceptive and bogus SPI case against me and reached out to RegentsPark and Abecedere WP:OTHERPARENT. He has created a bully atmosphere. I am not asking you to look at this case (would be helpful though) but can you give your input on the SPI case since you looked at it before. RangersRus (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This is the case Sockpuppet_investigations/HaughtonBrit RangersRus (talk) 20:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Drmies, both RegentsPark and Abecedare, two admins familiar with HB's extremely convoluted web of lies and the content nuances involved, agree that the case against RangersRus is strong. Abecedare requested a CU check on him and RegentsPark, from his quick look at it, was also in agreement that the case is strong. Numerous editors and admins are aware and commented that there's obvious sock-puppetry going on to subvert AFDs, vote stack and twist the result in their favour. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 21:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Numerous? Exaggerate and lies much? Now bullying by reverting my changes on page Crew (film) something that you have not been part of before. RangersRus (talk) 21:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Accidentally reverting an edit because of a Twinkle mistake (if you click the vandalism button, it automatically reverts the edit without giving the clicker an option to backtrack) hardly constitutes "bullying". Given that you've used Twinkle extensively-, you should know this.
 * RegentsPark, Abecedare, The Wordsmith (who commented about the Historian2325 case), Noorullah21, and I have spoken out about the sockpuppetry going on from HB. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 21:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Accidents? On page I edited? Why even there? Hounding? This is everything from bullying to harassa to hounding. RangersRus (talk) 21:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I suggest keeping discussion to the SPI page. Spreading drama doesn't help anyone. The SPI clerks, CUs and admins are pretty good at finding socks without false positives. -- Aunva6talk - contribs 21:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You are right. I was hesistant to come here but when forum shopping like this takes place User_talk:RegentsPark you can't help to reach admin who looked at the case before. RangersRus (talk) 21:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Southasianhistorian8, you mentioned User:The Wordsmith--they were convinced that RangersRus was not an HB sock. I just looked at the other account and found no technical evidence of malfeasance. Drmies (talk) 22:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Regarding the RangersRus' report in March, a lot of new evidence has come forth and the previous SPI was not well written. The current version is much, much better written and 2 admins, both of whom have dealt with HB extensively and are aware of the South Asian content nuances, have stated it is a strong case. Regarding the CU checks, somehow, someway, HB manages to consistently trick CUs; I've commented before how HB would employ proxies to hound me, and some of them managed to pass Wikipedia proxy checker tools as well as spur (which Yamla directed me to), the common feature among all those proxies was that they would be linked to some random obscure business that was clearly not a legitimate ISP; instead of being linked to AT&T, Verizon, Comcast etc, they would be linked to something like AIC Communications, Level 3 Communications, Align Network.
 * , who was a loud duck quacking into a megaphone; his first check had at him "Unrelated" and then later "Inconclusive". was a "possible" even though it too was an undeniable sock, which The Wordsmith can attest to (for both accounts).
 * Look at the user talk of ; Yamla did a check for his bogus unblock request, stating " Whether or not that precludes them from making a request under WP:SO is up to the reviewing admin. Checkuser data shows no other evidence of evasion" even though he was consistently making hundreds of edits logged out for 7 months straights beforehand + was operating a sock account at the same time.
 * Yamla even stated in the previous CU check for Historian2325 that it's difficult to extract useful technical information and that SPAs should be blocked on bheavioural evidence.
 * Underestimating HB's extreme resoluteness to block evade and taking CU findings at face value is a mistake. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * For example, this proxy was employed to continue HB's edit war, making the exact same edits as his actual IPs which geolocate to Pennsylvania. The 65* proxy manages to pass Wikipedia's proxy checker as well as spur https://spur.us/context/65.205.15.158, obscures HB's actual location, and if you search the ISP "AIC Communications" there are zero legitimate ISPs under that name.
 * Same thing for this proxy as well which he employed- it passes Wikipedia's proxy tools and spur, it obscures his actual location, and if you search up the ISP "Accelerated Connections", it's obvious that it isn't a legitimate ISP.
 * , another proxy that he used, passes Wikipedia's proxy checker as well as spur. But it's so obviously a proxy, the ISP "Friendwell Managment LLC" is a property management company!
 * There are numerous other examples of this. He's making a fool out of everyone. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 23:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Accelerated communications is a legitimate tier 1 isp that leases bandwith to other providers. Friendwell management, on the other hand, owns the hotel that is listed in the whois address. 65.205.15.158 comes back in tracert to Intercontinental Hotels.
 * in any case, admins will consider behavioral evidence as well. -- Aunva6talk - contribs 01:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I feel more like a sucker than like a fool. Drmies (talk) 01:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Snell's law
On May 11 I blocked, a new account, for 3 days for edit-warring. On May 13, another user, (great username), an older but not very old account, started editing the article Talk page, apparently taking up the slack. GWTP was accused by a couple of editors of socking. They deny it. Can you check to see if they're the same person? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I looked at their edit summaries which suggest those editors might be right. Drmies (talk) 17:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * YGM. Drmies (talk) 17:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks much, got it.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Let's have lunch then. And a nap. Drmies (talk) 17:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Did you want to comment at Sockpuppet investigations/GoneWithThePuffery?--Bbb23 (talk) 12:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No, but I did and now my coffee is cold. ;) Drmies (talk) 13:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I dunno what happens when you mix a Dutch man with the American deep south, but you might get iced coffee...with some chicory.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I need to try that, the chicory I mean, for that New Orleans flavor. BTW I always drink coffee from Fine Bone China cups made by Roy Kirkham, I'm picky that way. And I'm watching the Giro so I think I'm pretty cosmopolitan, haha. Drmies (talk) 14:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You should change to Sèvres, classier and not so fussy/frilly. Gyro I'm familiar with, giro I had to look up. I suppose cycling is better than football if I'm forced to choose.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll consider that, bro. Drmies (talk) 16:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

IP block exemption extention
Hi Drmies,

I am currently IP block exempt until 14 June. I have these rights because I live in China during holidays. I am returning on the 18th of June, and I wish to edit during my time back, so I emailed the checkuser team two weeks ago, but I have gotten no response. Is it possible for me to get an extension on my rights? Thank you very much. <b style="color:white">Daftation</b> <b style="color:white">🗩</b> <b style="color:white">🖉</b> 18:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , for some reason I still can't get into VRT, so I can't check the ticket. You exempted them in the first place--do you mind having a look? Thanks! Drmies (talk) 20:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * They haven't edited in over a month. Floquenbeam (talk) 20:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Help if possible
Hi Drmies. I've never asked an admin for help before but if you can please provide an opinion here, I would be really appreciative. I am sorry if this sounds immature or against AGF, but I just do not consider it possible to have a reasonable discussion with Jack. I used every ounce of willpower not to revert his edit because, when there is an option here, I am determined to take the highest ground possible and act in accordance with the spirit of 3RR. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well apparently they're happy to live with consensus so I don't see why you wouldn't revert. Drmies (talk) 00:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Recently blocked user back on carbonated milk
Hello. You recently blocked IP range User:2601:98A:4000:3660:0:0:0:0/64 for edit warring on carbonated milk. They have returned as User:Flaerhart, an account created three days ago who has previously inserted the same link to a school news blog. Could you please apply a block to this account as well?

Regards, XabqEfdg (talk) 01:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Gladly! Drmies (talk) 01:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

GWTP
I suppose that you noticed and understand that and that too ? I respect your work as an admin, and I would like to sincerely thank you for that here. I apologized because you asked me to do so and, again, as I know your work as an admin and I respect it, I did so, but I think you're mistaken about that editor, they don't seem to be here to build an encyclopedia. Best. ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  17:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know about that. Saying that you're apologizing because you have to, yeah I can see why they're not happy with that. As I said on that talk page, I probably actually agree with their edits, but they are so rude that I have no interest in staying in that fight. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I got you and I understand your decision. However, since you were involved in this mess, I think it's fair to let you know that I reported GWTP to ANI for continued edit-warring and personal attacks. For the records, I don't expect you to intervene again if you don't want to do so. Best. ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  15:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that. I don't know what to think. I wish they weren't so rude. Drmies (talk) 15:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

It is sad the scammers cause so much collateral damage
Thank you for your thoughtful handling of the victim's username block. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No, thank you: I'm really the bad guy here, placing the second block, but I felt like it had to be handled now. You're the one pouring oil on the water and I appreciate it. Yes, we've both seen it: people pay good money (albeit not with the best of intentions) and they get shafted by these con men. Drmies (talk) 16:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am pretty certain we will see the scammer pop up again as a sock. I'm unsure how to detect that, though. Your admin goggles may see sufficiently well to do that. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's possible, but not yet: you prompted me to have a look, but the IPs they're on have not been active. It is prime UPE territory, that's a fact. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, they have a new user name, as I am sure you can see should you choose. They failed to do that well, and thus remain blocked. I just fired the big gun of "For heavens sake behave properly" at them since they almost listen to me. Militant kindness may yet win the day! 😈😇 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Srimonbanik2007
I was considering blocking as a sock, and I noticed that you just recently confirmed. Obviously, you didn't uncover ਰਾਜ ਪਾਲ in your check, but I'm not sure how many ranges this farm uses. ਰਾਜ ਪਾਲ edits the same election pages (compared to a different sock) and is fairly prolific quickly as have been many previous socks. Can you check?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm I just got done blocking too. OK, I see the overlap, and the geolocation is not impossible. The UA is different but they may have been on the road--but they made their edits consistently over one single range so I don't think that's it either. I think you're dealing with someone who also has an interest in general national elections, but not in other matters that are so important to the sockmaster. However, the caveat is two-fold: I haven't had coffee yet and I'm not intimately acquainted with the habits of this one. Drmies (talk) 13:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's interesting., who is no longer a CU, confirmed , although if you look at the sequence of events in a discussion Izno had with in the archive, it's not your usual confirmation. I bring this up because Happyjit, unlike "your" recent confirmed socks, did not use the mobile platform, and neither does ਰਾਜ ਪਾਲ. Still, unless there's some illumination of these technical quirks, I'm not going to block ਰਾਜ ਪਾਲ based on your technical and behavioral comments. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm about to do my morning exercises (!)--how about this, 70.54.75.24 ? Drmies (talk) 13:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * One, two, three, four, two, two, three, four, up, down ... How conscientious of you! Do you listen to rap while exorcising those middle-aged demons?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Look, it's for old people, and usually we count down to how many more painful squats and stuff. Drmies (talk) 15:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Another user just filed a report on ਰਾਜ ਪਾਲ.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello you two. The SPI has been updated.-- Ponyo bons mots 16:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * OK Ponyo--I see. I should just make a habit of checking ranges, really. I think I didn't because in that long list of IPs there was only one with "multiples", and that was not one with another sock; I figured that a prolific sock wouldn't show such a long list of "single" IPs. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * When there are so many ranges it seems like a fruitless time-wasting chore running checks on all of them. In this case, I only checked a single targeted range that I knew had overlap with one specific Srimonbanik2007 sock and got lucky.-- Ponyo bons mots 17:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Great, in honor of my "vindication", I will celebrate by creating a much more rewarding exercise program for your consideration. First, pick a restaurant you love, especially if the menu has mostly rich dishes. Second, if needed, make a reservation at the restaurant while doing jumping jacks. Third, walk briskly to the restaurant if it is within a mile of your home; if not, drive to about a mile from the restaurant before walking the final mile. Fourth, order as much food as possible and eat as quickly as possible (not a good idea for the brain to get a chance to react before you're done enjoying your feast - this shouldn't be too hard because the brain slows down after un certain âge). Finally, pay for the meal with a large tip (I find paying for meals burns a lot of calories, YMMV). It may take a while for this proven dietary system to work. I recommend continuing the system until it works or you find you can't move at all. Bon courage and bon appétit! --Bbb23 (talk) 17:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry Bbb couldn't hear you, was munching on M&Ms. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Generally, I'm a snob and only like high-class pastries, but I have a weakness for M&Ms, better M&M peanuts, best M&M almonds. Very healthy.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Bbb23 You ever tried the crunchy or brownie M&M's? Put me in heaven for those... they're my favorite. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 18:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Have you tried bench pressing at the gym? I know it increases weight, but my brother does it and he's really improved his eating. I remember he used to grab handful upon handfuls of chips every time we would eat and put three scoops of ice cream. Now he's not eating as much. He's pressing 250, and seeing him flex his muscles just make me feel a little sick to my stomach. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @NoobThreePointOh Chips (or crisps, come to that) with three scoops of ice-cream added also induce feelings of nausea. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Timtrent Blegh. Now THAT is a weird combination. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 10:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @NoobThreePointOh But your friend did that, ^^^^^^ 🤡 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Sock; check out
1. User:MaartenEdieg who joined in less than a day, created a talk page reading WenguiGuo#WashingtonFarm The Kwok scam only pits the ants Guo Wengui touted things to the sky all day long, from farms to Xi Yuan, he declared, "Xi Yuan's encryption capabilities and future payments, as well as the future exchange with the US dollar, will create history, is the only stablecoin, floating, modern crypto financial platform." The ant help to fool the head, but after dozens of broken promises.... These are the diffs and was blanked here. 2. User:LigonJudd who joined almost the same time did the same here, and after a welcome message blanked the talk page as usual. To show they aren't here to build an Encyclopedia, they recreated it on same TP here until they got a warning by Viewmont Viking here. After the warning, they blanked it again. This same user created a sandbox here of same content. 3. There comes User:ColbyIjazvHtE who joined at same time with the rest and created this sandbox with the same content. Safari Scribe <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Edits! Talk! 16:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As if this Wikipedia session wasn't already weird enough. Thanks; I got them. Drmies (talk) 19:22, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Aight. Thanks for taking care of that, I know I could rely on you. But taken a look at this. It's unfair that I came to de-orphan, and you've taken the bull already. 😂 Safari Scribe <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Edits! Talk! 00:56, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I did that to mess with you. No, I'm joking--we get paid for blocks, not for de-orphaning. Drmies (talk) 00:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Take care and if you feel bored in "blocking", you may join the holy work of de-orphaning. The backlog is really high. Safari Scribe <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Edits! Talk! 01:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ha, between that and drafts and SPI and Copyright problems we could clone ourselves a dozen times and not run out of work. Drmies (talk) 01:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's well. I am feeling sleepy yet I can't sleep. I am going back to my newly acquired complaint manager. You can also help join there and clear your thoughts. Try it and thank me later. :) Safari Scribe <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Edits! Talk! 01:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

LTA trolling, etc.
Hi doc. Long time, no see. Hope all is well. We got this account. Their only two edits are reverts of my edits using false edit summaries. Looks like LTA trolling. Reported at UAA but just in case. Thanks. Dr.  K.  13:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit warrior at Society for Occupational Health Psychology
What to do about it? Look in talk and edit history. They're unwilling to accept consensus, wouldn't start their own RFC, and just continue to edit war outside 3RR. Graywalls (talk) 12:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's an amazing record of disruption--with that long list of warnings from a half dozen editors on their talk page. I blocked for a bit, in part because they seem to be doing that on many articles, but a longer partial block from that article is an option too. Drmies (talk) 15:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Re: User talk:82.16.81.82
I just wanted to reach out and explain my reasoning for ARV for the user, I know I only linked that one comment, but that was actually their second comment as such (first comment linked HERE). I fully support giving them a third chance, but I did just want to make you aware that this was not their first time, and they were vandalising Nonetheless and Pet Shop Boys prior to the comments. Again I support the third chance, I did just want to make you aware of the prior trolling that went unreported. Nigel757 (talk) 18:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

ARBPIA welcome
I noticed your welcome here, and wanted to let you know that I put together welcome-arbpia for just such a circumstance. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks! Drmies (talk) 17:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hot! Thanks! BusterD (talk) 12:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not greedy, I don't need another whole section
Thanks for picking up my slack. I've been too busy to look back into this, and as seems to happen pretty much every time I extend some good faith and try to help, it didn't work. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Huge off-Wiki coordination
Hi Drmies, hope you're doing well. In terms of Sudsahab's unblock request, I would highly implore (I hope I'm using the word correctly?) you to take a look at this first. There's much more going on than meets the eye, I'm afraid if nothing is done, the Discord group will have a monopoly over Indian-related articles. Heck, they already kinda have. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi again Drmies. If it's not too much to ask, would you be willing to look into my ANI report of the Discord group? It has been up for almost a month. And those are not even all the users listed, they probably number up in the 100s. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

USER:SteveBenassi may have returned.
A new IP (that also geolocates to the same region as the last IP sock) is making POV edits at Genetic studies of Jews. When I reverted them, they reinstated their edit with some very inflammatory and hostile language in their edit note. See:  Skllagyook (talk) 23:12, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

A peculiar one.
Please look at Special:Contributions/Pradeepsethi.in the AfD they started and my comment on their talk page. I find the scent of fish all over it, and would appreciate either your action or your guidance. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's all kinds of things wrong with that. I closed that AfD: that was so improper that any discussion would have been tainted. Drmies (talk) 20:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That makes sense. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Looking at the article in its current state it is vulnerable to deletionThat may be no bad thing, but I wood nit like to see the poor nominator's wishes fulfilled so simply. I think I will ignore it when it is nominated, though I have strong concerns about that nominator. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You kind of wonder what was happening between client and agent. I think the agent was just not competent enough to deal with it in a way that would satisfy the client without setting off alarm bells. Oh, wait, I had looked at the beginning of the history and the end, but didn't see this, and going back I now see this: look quick before I revdelete a whole bunch from that history. User:Timtrent pinging you so you can look quickly. ;) Drmies (talk) 22:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Blimey! I wonder if we are speaking about a closet. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, now I can revdelete the hell out of that. It's clearly a social media-generated attack on a public person in a country where way too many people hate gays. Very sad. Drmies (talk) 22:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, we all have to live with people who hate people. It seems to me that semi-protection is the way to go. Though that does make me think of a condom packet with a pinhole through it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , I see you blocked a bunch of those jerks. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 22:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Happy to help! --Hammersoft (talk) 01:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Wut?
UTRS appeal #89010 &#45;- Deepfriedokra (talk) 06:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * User:Deepfriedokra, something changed in the login procedure and I can actually see it! Why am I the blocking administrator? Drmies (talk) 16:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks like JMC89 solved it. Thanks &#45;-  Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Please look at these two
I doubt there is a need for an SPI, but there is odd behaviour.


 * Maniacdude is the earlier of the two account by minutes
 * Zenithxxx is the later of the two

Each states that the other is their alternate account. Each identity tag teams the other in editing, though edits in tranches from what I have seen. I have not checked (eg) deletion discussions. I see every reason to believe that they are telling the truth, but I see no justification in WP:VALIDALT for this usage of an alternate account. I may have missed something, though 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for tracking this down. The "no access to laptop" excuse doesn't wash, didn't wash from day one, but it appears to be naivety, not malicious intent. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

SteveBenassi yet again
I'm sorry to keep bothering you about this. Yet another IP, also from Minnesota, has added one of the same sources previously pushed by USER:SteveBenassi to the Genetic studies of Jews page, here. I reverted them but I expect them to likely edit war, possibly with uncivil responses. This user really is determined to push his pov. It's getting very brazen. I'm not sure what to do. Skllagyook (talk) 12:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC) Unsurprisingly, they reinstated their edit, here []. Skllagyook (talk) 13:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I reverted their edit, but I expect that they'll undo mine and add it back (sigh). NoobThreePointOh (talk) 14:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * User:NoobThreePointOh They (under another Minnesota IP) did indeed revert you just now (here ) with (as is typical of SteveBenassi) some uncivil, hostile, and accusatory language directed at me in the summary. Skllagyook (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Of course they did it (clap clap for them). Oh well, I hope some admin comes to the rescue. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Your hope has come true. Sorry, Skllagyook, for the abuse you've been enduring. Drmies (talk) 16:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks Drmies for stepping into the rescue. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 16:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Skllagyook (talk) 20:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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FYI
I copied you on an email exchange I've been having. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:12, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh that was you--I understand the sign-off now, but this was all very mysterious to me. I also couldn't tell who the accuser was, and there was no specific evidence. Sounds like a master plan at work, or an overactive imagination. Drmies (talk) 15:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard from them since the last message. I got the feeling they were hoping I'd just block somebody on a few or no questions asked basis. Not sure I will even hear from them again, but if I do, I will expect evidence and their username. Otherwise, I'm moving on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, they sent me a message which I copied to you along with my reply. They are being very cagey about their own identity which is making me suspicious. Still, they included a bunch of diffs. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I saw it. I remembered that CU has been run on the one editor, with no result, and the log confirms that, but that was in 2019. I'm not going to do anything until the user explains who they are and until there's a bit more than a list of times. Drmies (talk) 21:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm going to away for the next few days, so I will be mostly offline until this weekend. (If the former guy is convicted you have my proxy to vote for posting the blurb at ITNC.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Page protection
Hi Drmies, could you protect the Jason Momoa article? An IP hopping vandal has continued to make unsubstantiated claims regarding the actor's relationship status.-KH-1 (talk) 02:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Give me a minute. Drmies (talk) 02:48, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm currently working on this. They reported this to two noticeboards and here. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 02:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks Daniel. I was blocking socks of User:Heyayhaqyyaha--it's pretty sad. Drmies (talk) 02:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't even know what to make of this
I was going to tag this one under U5 but honestly I don't even know what to make of it. User:Alexa6ray93/sandbox TornadoLGS (talk) 02:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ha, I threw in a few more. Thanks--we can't have that kind of stuff. Drmies (talk) 02:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Looked around and the person has some modest fame on account of the news covering their arrest. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Crystical and Alden Loveshade
--Yamla (talk) 11:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Re: Draft: Sharma Boy
It is fine, there is no need to be sorry! I only said he may be notable, not that he was :) -- NotC hariza rd  🗨 13:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Raegan Revord
Why did you delete the draft? The only reason to delete the draft is when the page is published. We are talking about the biography of a leading actress in a high-profile multi-season TV series. Please reinstate the draft, or even better, publish the page. Marbe166 (talk) 06:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I saw that on my watchlist, and was a little surprised since I assumed several editors including myself had spent time on editing it, though I don't know who the blocked or banned users are supposed to be. I'm not saying it's at WP:N at this point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Gråbergs Gråa Sång, it was re-created by a user who is now blocked (that's one of the incarnations you worked on), but I see now that I interpreted G5 too liberally and I'll restore it. The very first creator, BTW, is also blocked, and one of the most recent editors, User:Prince6191, is also a sock. To top it all of it's literally just been recreated and I need to look into that. Drmies (talk) 12:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * You may wish to restore the Talk page for it as well, if only to keep us from having to utterly restart the conversations about why the subject does not meet WP:NACTOR. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 13:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yep, please restore the talkpage too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for the reminder--hadn't had coffee yet. Drmies (talk) 14:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Gråbergs Gråa Sång, that draft doesn't look half-bad. Why not just move it into mainspace? It's not promotional, it has sourcing--we let many more articles with much less notability through. Oh, the socks--the biggest thing in there was this one, but the first creation was by this, and there was a sock in between that threw me off track towards deletion. Thanks again for the correction. Drmies (talk) 16:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Long discussion on that at talkpage. It's debatable if the sources amount to GNG, some are sort of BLP-crappy, and one significant role doesn't make a NARTIST, apparently. Also, when the submittings started, draft was much worse, which may have built up some resistance in the WP hivemind over time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * A resistance which is completely unfounded. There are no reasons that the article should not be published, some admins are taking a waaay to harsh stand in this case. Marbe166 (talk) 12:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Which would indicate there are reasons. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As you were just looking at the socks involved and have a better sense of that, you may want to take a look at the new editor whose sole contributions have been a vast rewrite of the article and submitting it. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 05:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * New editors, plural.... or at least plural accounts. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 14:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , I thought I had checked that "Research" editor earlier, but I hadn't--they're gone now, along with a few others. It's a pretty weird mix of insistence and incompetence; I think whoever paid them should get their money back. Drmies (talk) 20:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think I may request page protection, just to keep this in check. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 20:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm that sounded like a request. Granted. Drmies (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! May you have many cookies! -- Nat Gertler (talk) 20:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You should see this kitten lying next to me--that's all the cookie I need right now, but thanks! Drmies (talk) 20:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

May music
Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old (OTD). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

29 May 1913: The Rite of Spring - today's story, actually something I saw at that place in a revival (last century). - Look at Graham's page for the real thing yesterday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

BLPN revdel request
Hi. Thanks in advance for your time. Should this be revdel'd? Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 01:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ha, I see now there was an intermediate edit, and I took care of it. Drmies (talk) 21:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! JFHJr (㊟) 21:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem--thanks for noting it. I didn't see that that idiotic other comment was in between, so I had to remove that as well. Drmies (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The Brill book
Uhm, I don't want to be spoilsport for my own (and JT's) case, but actually, the work in question is available online. But don't worry, I have more evidence up my sleeve (and already shared it in private with JT) if needed. I just don't want to publically give away all the characteristics that they will subsequently avoid when they read their own SPI case history. Austronesier (talk) 10:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ha, OK, that's awesome BTW--but it's also very odd. That's a Sealang website, not the Brill website (they do have e-books, including mine (haha yes, facts) but I don't think they look like that); what the user is citing is the book. Maybe we just told them what to do but it doesn't really matter. Yes, keep the rest off-wiki. If need be, if there's ever an admin interested in that unblock request (for the TPS, see Sockpuppet investigations/Eiskrahablo, we'll find a way to inform them. Drmies (talk) 16:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The Sealang page has some hidden gems; this dictionary is definitely among them. Brill is not the fastest among publishers when it comes to digitalize older works (much to my own frustratration since a lot of great works in my field were published by Nijhoff). Things might change under De Gruyter as they have been a bit quicker with digitalizing old books (the only positive change to expect, I guess)... A completely different thing: have you received my email about a different LTA case that I have sent a while ago? Just curious. –Austronesier (talk) 19:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I did not. I got you in my email only when you're copied into it. But some things get filtered out, for no apparent reason. I'll send you an email so you can reply; let's see how that works. Drmies (talk) 21:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have sent two mails, one as reply, the other one as a forward of my previous mail. Hope this works now. –Austronesier (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)