User talk:Drmies/Archive 28

Regarding Folding Legs
Dear Drmies, I am reaching out to you regarding a page for the band Folding Legs. In the past, a few fans of the band were careless in their approach to creating the page, and ultimately it resulted in the name 'Folding Legs' getting "salted" on Wikipedia by you. Understandably so. Being a big fan of the band, I want to attempt to rectify these past wrongdoings. I have therefore created a page for Folding Legs in my sandbox, and would highly appreciate your guidance in getting the page eventually made live when ready (as I am aware that only an Administrator has the ability to do that as long as the name is salted). Since you are the one that salted the name, I feel it would only be fair of you to let someone new get a chance to make this right under your supervision. Please take a look at the page in my sandbox, feel free to make adjustments and give me pointers on my talk page. I appreciate your help! Thank you and best wishes. Tailtrap (talk) 06:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've moved it to Folding Legs. Two things, though: I looked through and searched that German magazine but could not find them mentioned, let alone "featured" (they are certainly not "featured" in there). Also, I don't see how the band is notable by our standards yet--it may well be that it gets nominated for deletion of some kind or other. Good luck with it, Drmies (talk) 14:12, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Dear Drmies, I am sincerely grateful for your help! It means a lot to me. Let's see if the article is allowed to stay up, I sure hope so, I appreciate your help either way. Regarding the German magazine, they are indeed featured in there but I understand it may be a little difficult to find the page. You follow the link I have listed (http://issuu.com/cosimabucarelli/docs/horstundedeltrautansicht/1) and hit "Click to Read" in the center of the magazine image (which enlarges the magazine and makes it easier to browse in the issue). Then, from the bottom menu, pan right until you see page 34-35 listed, then click that. You'll see the "Young Creatives" section, and in it Folding Legs is clearly featured on page 35. Thank you for taking the time to look over my article! Best wishes. Tailtrap (talk) 01:06, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * OK I found it--thanks. Yes, I wouldn't call that featured--it's only half a page. But it's the kind of thing that you can add as a reference, which I just did, with apologies to the rest of the world for the awful phrasing. Problem is, it's real short, and it's an interview, so whatever is said is said by the group itself, lessening its authoritative status. Keep on finding those sources, though. Drmies (talk) 22:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I understand! Happy to get your help. Thank you for clearing it up! Tailtrap (talk) 23:17, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And thank you for proofreading. Drmies (talk) 15:46, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Laura Zigman
The DYK project (nominate) 15:12, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Skin Industries
Just rewrote the Skin Industries article on the Skin industries talk page. Is this acceptable since its just a quick company bio? Thanks Seanmrivers (talk) 23:33, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sean, it shouldn't have been there at all. I moved it to User:Seanmrivers/sandbox--and I did you a favor, since anyone else would have deleted it as either commercial or dependent on a non-existing article page. If I had to judge it, I would not let it stand, no. Your best shot is to see how other articles on similar topics are done (and don't pick the bad ones), and to find better references. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 00:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Re your comment on my page
Do you think I am being too hot and heavy with the reverts? Or are you suggesting I "get a life" :) and do some real work? I definately spend much time with Huggle, though I do seem to be slacking off a bit.  Thanks again for cleaning up my AIV 'mess'.  Cheers!  Jim1138 (talk) 07:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd gladly "get a life", but I have a wife. It is the anniversary of my funeral this week, so I'm down in the dumps.  To get a life, I've tried a hitman, car "accident" and setting her up on dates with guys who are rich or handsome.  But thanks to your talk page and Drmies, I can do a Jiffman and actually have sex this weekend... boy now I'm more depressed. Bgwhite (talk) 07:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm never going to get a life, 'cause I'll never live that down! Jim1138 (talk) 08:24, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Does everyone have my talk page on their watch list? :) Jim1138 (talk) 08:24, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't, but I'm now a stalker now. After such great talk conversation as User_talk:Jim1138, how can one not be a stalker? Drmies' talk page is getting boring.  He is just too busy with Dancing Mothers and Toddlers & Tiaras.  Besides, I'm out to get Drmies. Bgwhite (talk) 08:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Jim, there was some talk about you running for office--that's what my suggestion was referring to. You said somewhere else "I've added about 600 counts in the last 24 hours", which is great, and typically your edits are very good, but if you wish to climb the greasy pole (MF's words) you'll need to prove that you can do more than Huggle or Twinkle the world into submission: you need article content, even if you intend to use the tools in the fields in which you've been working. You will be asked whether you can judge decent writing if you run into it, and you will be expected to have a commitment to article writing and content contribution. So--write articles. You're not unlike Calabe1992, also a great cleaner, but I see Calabe more often at ANI (and usually positively) than I see you, I think. An admin must mediate and show balance and diplomacy as well as a sharp eye for vandalism, and there really isn't a screaming shortage of admins blocking vandals or deleting trash anyway. Right now toolserver is not working with me, so I can't see article creation for you (or Calabe), but that would be a category people would look at. BTW, if you aren't interested, my apologies for wasting time and electrons. As for the other thing: keep practicing--don't throw your back out. Check if Jiffman has email enabled, if you need advice. Yuk! Drmies (talk) 14:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I would say that I am not ready for admin responsibilities. Maybe with much work.  Not that I don't want to be, just don't seem to have the talent for writing.  I might be more useful developing Huggle.  Suggestions are always welcome!  Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 07:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I do have a suggestion. Write some articles, become admin, save me work. Ha! Drmies (talk) 22:02, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Cool hand
I just ran into User:Cool Angel. I saw your messages on their talk page. Been on Wikipedia a day and already doing New Page Patrol. I've cleaned up their messes and left a talk message. I'll try and look in, but..... Bgwhite (talk) 07:29, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, some folks take it all too seriously. That NPP badge of honor, yuk. Drmies (talk) 14:39, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice pep-talk. Jim1138 (talk) 09:20, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

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 * Wow. Who would have thought that "Jisp" would be plural--certainly not the Jispers. Drmies (talk) 14:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's no longer a disambiguation. Lady  of  Shalott  19:32, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought about doing that but a. the Dutch wiki (oddly enough) has the same thing and b. there's someone who occasionally comes by and berates me for removing red links. Thanks though. I left you jealousy-inducing note, on your talk page; I hope it works. Did I mention that there's cold beer involved? Today's second already. Let me check the water temperature. Drmies (talk) 20:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, perfect. Drmies (talk) 20:12, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

The Hard Worker Barnstar

 * Thank you Mandarax. I can't hold a candle to your count or usefulness, and I really appreciate your ongoing mentoring. Somewhere there's an invitation for you and the Lady to come have a beer and hang out poolside. This afternoon I built a pond for the goldfish (which I might as well call koi, even though they're from Walmart); you can sit beside it and listen to the water gurglegurglegurgle. Drmies (talk) 00:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Woah, that is a landmark of sorts. The edits, that is. I am unsure why you would want to construct a pond when you have a pool. Skip the water treatment, throw the fish in there and also a few bits of coral etc ... and pretend that you are in some exotic place. I mean, if you were in some exotic place and swimming then you would still be moving through the piscine detritus, so what difference does having it in a pool make? But then I know nothing about pools, which probably have pumps and filters and things - but fighting the drag of which would surely keep them healthy? - Sitush (talk) 01:00, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Emopoop

 * Years ago, when Mrs. Drmies was expecting number two, I got a fish tank so she could sit in front of it and chill. It was a ten-gallon tank and I got two little goldfish from Walmart. One died that same evening--the other is now (three years later) the size of a grown man's hand. I hate him. His name is Emopoop. The tank got all green and nasty; Emo eats the cute fish I buy and he shits so much that it's impossible to keep the tank clean. So, I bought a new ten-gallon tank, moved the three little fishes, and bought five neon tetras. What I had left was a filthy green tank with two goldfish in it. Apparently, I can't feed them to the cat, and I don't want them in the house--so I bought a 30-gallon pond, dug a huge hole, put a pump in it, and dropped the fishies in there today. Does that answer your question? Again, if I could have just killed them I would have enjoyed my spring break, but my daughter was just too sad at me for that. Oh, she did suggest throwing Emopoop in the pool, but that beast's turds are three inches long. Drmies (talk) 01:07, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah. Well, at least you got some exercise. It strikes me that anthropomorphism is the crux of this issue. Stop giving fish names: they do not respond to the things and the lack of names makes it easier to disconnect the emotions. Although with young children even that probably doesn't work. My sympathies. I am tempted to do some comparative research, though, and may just slope off to measure the length of my ... - Sitush (talk) 01:19, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm sure your goldfish is big enough, Sitush. Yes, I never named the damn fish. And I don't have emotions for Emo, except for hate (he once at six neon tetras in one night, the bastard). Drmies (talk) 01:24, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I had never heard of Neon tetras until this thread. Having seen the photo on the article, well, they look rather pretty and certainly more so than most goldfish that I have ever seen, even if I stick with the standard deviation and disregard the goldfish-shark hybrid-on-steroids horror that you appear to have acquired. But fish generally do not make me relax: I want them to do something, not wander around in what appears to be some random manner. They can't fetch a ball like a dog, amuse you like the haughty-friendliness of a cat, or amaze you with the patterns that exist in the seeming chaos of the flight of bees, etc. I am obviously a hyperactive philistine. - Sitush (talk) 01:55, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, fish are totally boring, I agree. BTW, neon tetras--they say--and fish like that are sometimes injected with fluorescent paint. Nice, huh. Drmies (talk) 03:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * My favorite fish, based solely (absolutely no pun intended) on its name, is the humuhumunukunukuapua'a. Now that you've got a koi pond, you should build a Japanese garden around it. Thanks for the invite – hanging out with you and the Lady, drinking beer, sounds great! M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  04:19, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Emopoop. I'm sure glad I just didn't drink something, because it would be all over my laptop.  I got a fish tank in the 3rd quarter of the 6th or 7th grade.  The quarter before, my grades were 3.7 or there about.  I stared so much at the tank my grades for 3rd quarter fell to 2.0.  Neon tetra, X-ray tetra, Bleeding heart tetra and what fish that ate the algea were my favourites.   The best part about fish tanks is cleaning them... having to empty some of the water while vacuuming up the crap at the bottom require a siphon hose.  Nothing says yum like not getting the hose into the bucket in time and taking a nice gulp of fish poop water. Bgwhite (talk) 06:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha Bg, there is a trick. Wanna know? put your thumb on one end of the hose, and hold the other under the tap--then fill it up and walk gently to make sure it's still full when you stick the one end in the tank. I was so proud of myself when I discovered that. Drmies (talk) 13:56, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * "Emopoop" - there's enough description above that the end of that is obvious, but I'm still trying to work out how exactly a fish can be emo. Does it wear all black and put on heavy eye makeup? Lady  of  Shalott  02:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

<--Well, he threatened to take a gun to a school (of tiger barbs) while whining about how "Personal Jesus" was so much better than "Jesus Christ Pose". Also, someone had been watching a certain movie a couple of million times... Besides that, he looks like a regular goldfish, only he's the size and weight of a McFish with extra pickles. Drmies (talk) 02:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Trip to the UK
Do you remember my comment some time not too long ago regarding the likely closure of Dutch language studies at Cambridge, UK? And how much you would like to spend a year over this side of the pond if you were still young/free of responsibility? Well, just to rub your nose in it, here's what you are missing: the menu for a dinner at my college that will take place in June & to which I am invited. All this to be served in a 700 year old, oak paneled room with original stained glass windows, umpteen-hundred year old paintings etc Work on the basis of US$2 = 1 UKP, and have a guess at what that lot is going to cost me. The price may tempt you, even if the idea of ice-cream with soup does not! - Sitush (talk) 01:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Aperitifs: Vintage champagne; sherry
 * First course: Warmed mixed artisan rolls & butter; courgette and petits pois soup; parmesan ice-cream; black pepper tuille biscuit
 * Second course: Fillet of plaice filled with smoked salmon and spinach mousse; lime brown butter; vintage white wine
 * Third course: Roast quail with wild mushrooms and shallots; Merlot jus; beetroot rosti; selection of steamed summer vegetables; vintage red wine
 * Fourth course: White chocolate and raspberry parfait; rose syrup
 * Fifth course: Canapé Lucifer
 * Sixth course: Coffee; Dessert; Vintage Claret, Port and Sweet wine (ie: Dessert wine); cigars
 * Well, "vintage" red wine, that sounds odd and pedantic at the same time. But this sounds great, Sitush--strange, though, my e-ticket hasn't arrived yet. Yes, I'd love to spend a year or two there. If I were a real scholar I might put in for a grant, but I'm just a hopeless dabbler. Hey, while you're there, break a lance for Dutch and for Old English... Enjoy! Drmies (talk) 13:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, a little confused.
Drmies, I admit with some shame that there was some vandalism of Brownback's page. It won't happen again. But it seemed to me like the sentence about sales tax was totally fine. It is true, it was in the local paper today, because I live in Kansas. So I was wondering to myself why that fell under the blanket of vandalism. (Wyvern of Krakow (talk) 01:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC)) Here's the deal, Wyvern--verified information on his position on taxes, and even criticism of such positions, is acceptable if published in a reliable source, and in the case of criticism, it has to be more than a letter to the editor, for instance. Now, the article is semi-protected, which means that you will be able to edit it as soon as you pick up a couple of acceptable edits, enough to become "auto-confirmed" (an electronic measure of trust, I guess). Oh, one more thing: I have no love for Sam Brownback and his anachronistic positions, but I'm not here to proclaim my left-leaning sensitivities. Happy days, Drmies (talk) 02:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's the thing with reverting vandalism: one sometimes paints with a broad brush. You know I almost blocked you indefinitely for having a vandalism-only account. But I'll take your question seriously and go through the three edits you made:
 * 1) The statement that he wants to eliminate sales tax is of great encyclopedic value, but the "it has been noticed" part (those are what are called "weasel words") suggest criticism--of the unverified kind--or, if it was in the paper, it may have been in en editorial comment or a letter to the editor. (Mind you, the existing text reads like something his re-election committee would say, and I'm about to clean it up some.)
 * 2) "Anyway" isn't really an encyclopedic term, since it suggest something that comments on facts rather then reports them.
 * 3) This you cannot do, and it made me wonder if you had anything to do with this edit.

Thanks for the help, and not blocking me. (Wyvern of Krakow (talk) 18:18, 17 March 2012 (UTC))

Mind your manners
Ditto. Bjmullan (talk) 08:54, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean, "Ditto", right? Dido is a singer. Doc   talk  09:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Doc, I've changed it :) Bjmullan (talk) 09:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You outed someone. That's harassment. It's a bad thing to do, and to whine when you're caught makes it even worse. Don't do it again, BJ. PS, Doc, there's a more important Dido--Dido (Queen of Carthage). Worthwhile reading. Drmies (talk) 13:00, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Two wrongs don't make a right, never call me anything other the bjmullan again. Bjmullan (talk) 13:51, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes massa. I need a warning template for comma splices... Drmies (talk) 13:54, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

blocked sock
Please take a look at Alprazolam, Temazepam and many more. Blocked User:Sebastian80 editing as IP. Also previously active as User:VeronicaPR and User:Thegoodson. Introduces hard to spot misrepresentations of refs, changes numbers and dates to values unsupported by ref, vandalism by introducing systematic and hard to find errors deliberately. Has previously been blocked indefinitely for this. 70.137.157.88 (talk) 09:33, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sebastian? the former GA editor? I'll have a look. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 13:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Good call. Thank you. IP is blocked for a year, more information at Sockpuppet investigations/VeronicaPR. Drmies (talk) 14:06, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I found another one, User:RedGKS. Drmies (talk) 14:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Great thanks for looking into this. -- Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:35, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations
If you like you can add this userbox to your collection.


 * ```Buster Seven   Talk  10:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Impressed! (I missed it the first time.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Re:Talk:Cape cobra/GA1
Thanks for letting me know. I'll drop a line on the WikiProject talk page, and close the review if no one's interested. J Milburn (talk) 15:49, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. I was looking at some of the other participants in another one of his GA reviews (Black Mamba) but I think Casliber already has enough on his plate. Hey, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news--you put in a lot of work, and I hope it won't go to waste. Drmies (talk) 15:50, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, don't worry about it. If it doesn't work out, I'll consider closing the review, putting a few hours into the article myself and then renominating- I've done that before, to varying degrees of success! J Milburn (talk) 15:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Email
Sorry, I can't access my email until later this afternoon, so I'm not sure how much help I'll be with the mass rollback. --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 16:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, well, I guess there's not much here that's a secret anyway: I need you to roll back all edits by User:RedGKS and 24.57.69.193 . For context, see above, and Sockpuppet investigations/VeronicaPR. Most edits are assessments by someone who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the wall when it comes to quality control. Pardon my French. Thanks Ponyo! Drmies (talk) 16:22, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I was able to undo any of the sock edits that we're still listed as "top" in the contributions. Rollback won't work on any articles where someone has edited since the sock account, so you may have to manually check and undo those particular edits if you want to be sure to catch everything (which sucks). --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 16:35, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, you've been a great help. Thank you so much. Drmies (talk) 21:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Sex addiction book list
You state that it is not our job to provide patients with a book list. There are many book lists on many Wikipedia pages to provide the researcher with greater information. They function as suggested reading on the subject. Currently the field of sex addiction is new enough that there are not a lot of books on the subject, thus a list of recommended reading would be possible without undue discrimination. The books were listed in order of publication date, and certainly the earlier the book the more important its influence toward defining sex addiction. Also in the Wiki article on sex addiction there are references to the authors of these books and the information provided therein, without citing the sources or context or in at least one case providing the author's full name. I'm not going to undo your edit given your Wikipedia editing experience, but please reconsider your revision. I think to assume that this list is solely intended and beneficial for so-called patients is misguided. These books are really the source material for the entire field of sex addiction, and are important research tools. Your edit: [] --16:24, 16 March 2012 (UTC)TBliss (talk)
 * Thank you for your note. We've had these here discussions before (User:DGG is the expert on this topic--he'll be glad to help you, or to contradict me if I got it wrong) but there is a consensus that such lists should not be included in articles unless they are cited in it. One rationale is that it is not really easy to come up with a rationale for including one but not another outside of "Editor X finds this book useful." If a book has useful material, it probably should be cited and that seems to be the case for the things you mention above--but please bear in mind that Wikipedia is not a bibliography. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 21:00, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Fightloungemike
Well, after your level 4+ warning of FLM, he's made the following hostile or personal attacks:, , , , ,.  Ravenswing  16:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ravenswing, there is discussion going on on his talk page; I think you were being paged. If you feel thusly inclined please report to AIV--given my history with Fightingmike (whom I have grown to like, oddly enough) I shouldn't be deciding on it. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 21:12, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Gaudy page keeps on a givn'
The page keeps giving. Shame on you Drmies. Because you are being "a single zealous editor", "wikipedia has become - a costly fraud." Wikipedia is now being reported to the IRS. Bgwhite (talk) 19:06, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sheesh, it's a good thing my wife isn't stalking me here; it would confirm everything she already thinks about me. Thanks Bg! Drmies (talk) 21:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Holy hell, my image of Saint Mandarax the Holy Spooger has gone missing! Drmies (talk) 21:15, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * We should really have a vandalism against the English language template. The WMF needs to know "imperiously", and well-intentioned sponsors (BTW, that includes me--well, the sponsor part anyway) gave "backbreaking money". Hard to believe that editor isn't blocked yet. Drmies (talk) 21:22, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't tell if the editor is the subject of the page, or a fangirl/fanboy, though I'm leaning towards the former. Lady  of  Shalott  03:27, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought the same. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:34, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

copy paste
Hi Drmies. why don't you just cut and copy paste my monobook.js into yours, that will give you the full monty - so to speak. - I got it from a friendly admin (User:Salvio_giuliano) and there is some useful stuff in there for your delight and entertainment. You really  can  20:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I did--but nothing changed. I'm giving up on this. Thanks for your help, though. Drmies (talk) 22:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Lawrence Goldfarb
I left a comment on the talk page for you & User:Youreallycan with some questions about your edits. If you have a minute drop on by! Feversleeved (talk) 23:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

 * You're probably aware: Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. Toddst1 (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I was out eating wings and drinking beer, but I really look forward to it. Drmies (talk) 01:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Coagulans (talk) 20:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

A Personal Attack About Me
Please see this. Since you are an admin, I believe you can make this stuff stop. Abhijay What did I do this time? 01:53, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You followed him to, or at least reverted him at, Northrop F-5. Why would you do that? Drmies (talk) 02:05, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologies Drmies, it's just that I recently contacted an interest in Aircraft, and it so co-incidentally occured that the Northrop F-5 fascinated me and I edited it straight away, but I didn't know that under an interaction ban, you are not to revert another person's edits if you are under an interaction ban with that particular person. I now understand that you are not to do that under any circumstances, because I initially believe that you are not to talk or mention them anywhere. Abhijay  What did I do this time? 02:15, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe so--but I thought you were supposed to stay away from him. If you had said on your talk page what you just said here this would all be over by now. Now we have an ANI thread to deal with. When will people learn? Drmies (talk) 02:19, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much. Drmies (talk) 19:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Undo
I saw your comment on Paul Erik's talk page. Don't feel any guilt or stress about undoing my block, and don't think that I harbor any resentment towards you for doing it. I remain frustrated by the situation, but it's pretty obvious that not enough of the community agrees with me for the block to hold.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:37, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kevin. But the pressure is on you now. I'm not sure if you care for my advice, but I think that it's worth your while to meet your critics at least halfway, or this is just going to drag on and possibly end up in what Jclemens sketched. Good luck, and thanks for your note. You know, the pool is open for you as well, and I got some German and Belgian beers here (no Dutch beers allowed in my house). Drmies (talk) 02:49, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Advertising on Wikipedia?
Drmies, In my rummaging around on Italian Wikipedia, I came across this. These ads do not appear in similar locations on en.wiki. Different ads show upon refresh. Want a nice villa in Tuscany? Want to have your palm read? "Please help keeping this service alive. You know how to do it." Is advertising policy left to each individual Wikipedia? Doc2234 (talk) 13:43, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * That's not a Wikimedia site, so the page owner can do what they want. It is like the way that the page view counter has a flattr link. Oh, and adblock gets rid of them anyway :) SmartSE (talk) 14:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, that settles that then. Doc, your talk about the Italian wiki is making me thirsty for some grappa. Thanks SmartSE. I've never noticed the Flattr thingy, and if I had I would have mistaken it for some other social network. BTW, my talk page has more hits than most of the DYKs I write. :( Drmies (talk) 19:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm lifting a glass, myself. Voting just ended on the Italian page, and the page is maintained. Thank you for your help and advice! Doc2234 (talk) 00:43, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad to have been of service. Ciao! Drmies (talk) 01:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I finally made it to ANI
Because of the page that just keeps giving, a complaint was filed at ANI for something I had done, Ani. Drmies and TenPoundHammer were also listed. This is my first mention at ANI. I'd like to thank Mandarax for helping me find my niche that led to this glorious event. I'd also like to thank Drmies for his deletionist ways and the special help of TenPoundHammer's otters. Sniff, sniff, this is just a happy moment. Bgwhite (talk) 19:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC) [Pesky awards Bgwhite the ANImal of the Day bonus cookies] Hugz! You've arrived! Pesky (talk ) 19:43, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Bg, I'm proud of you for finally making it to the big time. This is a momentous step--it is up to you to make something of it. You can decide, at this very moment, who you want to be: just another nameless, faceless editor contributing "content" and "improving" the project, or a wiki personality. Bgwhite, my friend, you only get one shot. Do not miss your chance to blow; this opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo. Drmies (talk) 19:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the Hugz Pesky. I always appreciate them when you hand them out.
 * Seeing how Pesky and Malleus have a special bond. Maybe I could become a wiki personality like Malleus?  I just couldn't become a personality like Pesky, she is too nice that I couldn't pull it off.  Maybe do a Jiffman and post my photo on some high traffic articles?  Oh the possibilities... the stress is getting to me. Bgwhite (talk) 21:37, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that MF and I had a special bond! I think all it is,  is that we kinda trust each other (somewhat!), and he doesn't bite me if I'm tiresome, and I don't think he's an old bar-steward ...  Pesky  (talk ) 22:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't bite anyone when they're simply being tiresome, but I do have a tendency to go for the throat when I think think they're being arseholes, or cunts. Malleus Fatuorum 00:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm wondering how many of the aforementioned German and Belgian (but not Dutch) beers went into the formation of this gem: "indicative of the polyvalence of the work of art in question". That's hilarious, Drmies. Have you dug your tongue out of your cheek yet? Lady of  Shalott  01:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I totally meant that (and no beer was involved). I kept thinking of what all that image could mean--I won't list the things--and felt like, you know, et cetera. You saw it, right? It was wild. But thank you for noticing; usually it's pearls before swine. ;) Hey, I thought of you today: there was a story in the paper about a bunch of people dressing up as clowns to spread the gospel. Some churches are pulling out all the stops. Also, my head is sun-burned: it was beautiful today. Drmies (talk) 01:41, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, I saw it - the meaning I took from it is that someone has confused Wikipedia for MySpace, but then there's other evidence for that as well. Thanks for thinking of me, although I'm not sure why evangelizing clowns should make you do so. Sunburn's not fun - sorry. Sunblock, Drmies, sunblock. It was lovely here too today - this kind of weather, and with the spring flowers blooming - I could have this all year round and not fuss. Lady  of  Shalott  02:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point--I don't know why that made me think of you. Maybe I just miss you. Yes, this weather is lovely: finally that pool is coming in handy. Drmies (talk) 02:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hate you Drmies. It's snowing outside.   I'd raise my fist and shake it in disgust, but that would mean moving around the two blankets that are on top of me.  Did the evangelizing clowns blow up any animals for Jesus?  Bgwhite (talk) 04:01, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Forgot, enjoy. Bgwhite (talk) 04:05, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow... Drmies (talk) 13:33, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Amazing! (And I'm referring not to the image, but to the fact that MySpace still exists. I had no idea.) I'm thinking about changing my name to "Can't sleep, clown will evangelize me". M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  06:08, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Do that after you run for admin, Mandarax. Drmies (talk) 13:33, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I notice that's the second time you've mentioned that in the last few days. We'll see some day.... (BTW, I'm surprised to discover that Cscwem hasn't been around for four years.) And on a completely different subject.... Free HighBeam Research accounts Note to you and your adoring stalkers: applications are being accepted for free HighBeam access to assist you in your research activities. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  22:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I second that nudge. I think you'd be a shoo-in, Mandarax. Lady  of  Shalott  23:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Aw, thanks (to both of you). It's nice of you to say so, Lady. However, I don't think "some day" will be any day in the foreseeable future (although April 1 would seem appropriate if I were so inclined). In a totally unrelated musing, I wonder how many users who've endured an RfA have ended up leaving Wikipedia forever.... M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  07:04, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I seek your input
in THIS discussion.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 19:45, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a bit over my head, MQS...plus, I don't really have strong opinions, except that I wish the ARS well. Drmies (talk) 17:46, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

What have I done again this time?

 * To have caused you to burst out on ANI after the expiration of my block, if I may enquire? -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 20:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're joking, right? This is an outburst? What message did you leave on the editors who really criticized you? What did you tell the blocking admin? Ahem, seriously--you were criticized for over-the-top drama-queening; someone mentioned your "ridiculous, over-the-top, almost cartoon-like aggression". Now you're doing it on my talk page. Drmies (talk) 22:49, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Nodig

 * Hi Drmies,kunt u mij helpen here.Dank u.Justice007 (talk) 21:38, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Justice, het spijt me, but I can't support you in this case: I also don't believe the source is reliable--an article like this needs publications in print, peer-reviewed, that sort of thing. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 00:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * OK,never mind and thanks.Justice007 (talk) 07:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry Justice. Drmies (talk) 21:27, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Manning
Certainly, he has not signed yet. But to make no mention at all in the article of this widely-known and verifiable commitment to the Broncos makes wikipedia look stupid. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * When I protected it there was nothing but rumors (as far as I could tell). BTW, I'll change to semi-protection, so you or some other trusted editor can add whatever verifiable statement you'd like to add. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

TB
--Soman (talk) 11:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Gabriel Cousens
Hi, thanks for taking a look at the article. I have left some comments and questions for you on the talk page (Talk:Gabriel_Cousens). Cheers, Ocaasit &#124; c 11:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Due to the massive amount of material that was removed, and the significant change in WEIGHT given to the Levy controversy (10% to 50%), I have reverted to most of the prior version per WP:BRD. I do appreciate your perspective on the article and don't assume your changes were ill-intended or lacking benefit to the article.  But I think we should discuss it.  Let's please take a look at each issue in a measured way on the talk page.  I've laid out some basic views of mine.  I'm happy to hear yours.  Cheers, Ocaasit &#124; c 12:38, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You must be out of your mind. Drmies (talk) 13:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have asked you to discuss the issue and continue to do so.  I believe the original article was thorough, balanced, and verifiable.  If you want to contest individual sources, let's do that, but I won't just assume your position.  In light of my request to follow WP:BRD, it's hard not to see your reversion as edit warring.  I intend to add back some or most of the content per my reversion, but I'd prefer that we talked about specific issues first, each one individually if necessary.  As I said before, this is particularly important given the undue focus on the Levy incident.  The Tree of Life Center and Simply Raw are well sourced and directly relevant to Cousens' life and work.  His views are as well.  Those sections may need to be trimmed or summarized but not removed entirely.  Please don't characterize a reasonable dispute as incompetence on my part.  A lot of work went into crafting this article and I'm open to making it better, but I do disagree with your approach. Ocaasit &#124; c 14:12, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for the invite. I have explained in my edit summaries and on the talk page what was problematic about it. If you didn't read that, that's not my fault. No, the Tree of Life Center and the Simply Raw sections were not well sourced. No, his views are not well sourced. If you think that those edits you restored are in agreement with our BLP guidelines, that they don't puff up the article, that they don't make a joke out of the MOS, then maybe competence is at stake here, yes. And what about COI? You're in touch with the Cousenses? Drmies (talk) 14:18, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Would you check the updated version of the article? It's been slightly expanded, sources have been added, and it just passed AfD.  We'd like to remove the neutrality/weight/RS tags at the top of the page if you don't have any objections.  Cheers, Ocaasit &#124; c 12:57, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

YuriyMikhaylovskiy unblock request
This question is answered here. I will leave it to you to decide whether to revoke talk page access. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:04, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll keep an eye on it in the next few days. Thanks for your note. Drmies (talk) 13:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * They've sort of gone away, I guess. Drmies (talk) 21:23, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

TWO ARTICLES
Dear Administrator Drmies, many thanks for your quick, gentle and competent answer. You are, for me, the first kind person I am in contact within the system. From over one month, different users are insulting me, qualify me as an “ignorant” and express doubts that I am the official representative of the two personalities concerned by my two items. I am Doctor in Medicine and Doctor in Musicology, with an internationally respected activity. Despite their way of treating me, I am forcing myself to be polite with them and ethically correct. The two articles I am talking about (Mariana Nicolesco and Radu Varia) are written according to Wikipedia’s instructions and following the example of many previously published articles on Wikipedia. The two items in discussion contain serious and relevant statement, in an objective spirit with an encyclopaedic character, always sustained by documented arguments and notes which can be checked on line thanks to the links I mentioned. Following the suggestion of user Yeller I tried to improve the two texts on my work page and, while I announced that, I didn’t receive any opinion about it. In the same time, another user imposed his own version reduced, amalgamated, inaccurate, incomplete, without any systematisation on chapters well organised, as I did. That is not fair, not correct and damageable to the two personalities. It is not acceptable that on the site user Biruitorul imposed his version that I described above, while I accepted to work together with user Yeller on the work page. So, my question, considering your competence as administrator, for whom there are “not any big problems” in the two articles, is: can you kindly help me to do what you think should be improved? With many thanks for your attention, Dr. Stephan Poen Talk 18,30, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Dr. Poen, I would hate to prove you wrong about me, but I probably have to. I said I see no big problems, but I do see issues. I thought I was looking at a draft for a new article, but I now realize it is an alternate version of an already existing article, where you had an editing dispute. And looking over User:Dr. Stephan Poen/Mariana Nicolesco, to take just one of the two, I see that http://www.academiaromana.ro/membri_ar/pag/mo01_MNicolesco.htm is used very, very often to document certain facts, including the "Honours" section, and the section "Echoes" in its entirety. I don't know if I missed that when I first took a quick look (I must have), but such entries require rigorous third-party sources: and this is not one of those sources. User:Biruitorul is an editor for whom I have great respect, and it seems that he (I think he's a he, I could be wrong) is largely responsible for the current state of Mariana Nicolesco, which strikes me as a more bare-bones article but also much closer to the BLP policy, since it doesn't have phrases like "has been acclaimed in the most renowned opera houses" and long lists of the places she's sang. My apologies, but if I had to choose between the two, I'd choose Biruitorul's version--the only place where your version is better is in the sections, but that's not the most important part. Drmies (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Drmies, thank you for your kind words and yes, I am a he (the -ul ending in Romanian is for masculine words; the feminine would be "Biruitoarea"). After Dr. Poen introduced texts that were, shall we say, inadequate, I've done work on both articles to bring them up to standards. The Nicolesco article I regard as more or less complete, although of course anyone is welcome to improve it. I've only asked Dr. Poen to work from my text, not out of vanity, but simply because it's more in tune with requirements. The information in the two versions is actually quite similar, and the difference is mostly structural. I've only just begun to expand the Radu Varia article, so it'll be a little while before that gets sorted out.
 * I think these words, coming from someone who's authored dozens of featured articles, many of them on music, are instructive when it comes to Dr. Poen's text on Nicolesco: "it is pure promotional material and has no place in an encyclopedia". - Biruitorul Talk 18:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and it's nice to see you again. Mea culpa: I should have looked closer at the ANI post, but I think I was more interested in closing that thread and referring the author to the proper forum. Also, there was no history attached to the request. Thanks also for the short lesson in Romanian. Drmies (talk) 18:41, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * PS: if it all works out, I'm teaching The Land of Green Plums next year. Drmies (talk) 19:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Dear Administrator Drmies, thank you for your prompt response. User Biruitorul is not “largely responsible” of the article of Mariana Nicolesco. I am the responsible for two years and Biruitorul intervenes since a month. He simply took information from my item, publishing them on the site, while I was forced to stay on the work page. Is that honest? Considering your answer, I am sending you a new version of the item on Mariana Nicolesco with the improvements suggested by you and by user Biruitorul. In this new version there is the information of Biruitorul’s item but better organized from the musicological and historical points of view. Waiting for your answer, best regards, Dr. Stephan Poen Talk 00,36, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, Dr. Poen, I have little to add to the comments I've already made. Biruitorul is well versed in Wikipedia's guidelines and policies (in fact, that's how I met him, approaching each other from opposite sides), and I have perfect faith in him. I also know him as a reasonable person who will not deny reasonable requests--but at this moment it's a matter of article editing and talk page negotiating: an admin has no role to play in this. I wish you the best, Drmies (talk) 04:51, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Beamdog undeletion request
You deleted Beamdog as G11 advertising. I did not write the article, and I disagree with your assessment. Please undelete it, and list it for AFD if you believe it does not belong on Wikipedia. I can see from the Google cache that it had sources from Kotaku. Doing this here would be preferable to doing it at WP:DRV. - hahnch e n 19:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you like, I can userfy it for you. I'm not going to undelete and list at AfD to suit your fancy. Drmies (talk) 23:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a contested speedy. There were third party sources.  I have no vested interest in the company.  It was not unambiguous advertising.  This should not require airing at DRV.  You needn't list it at AFD. - hahnch e n 00:37, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * A contested prod should result in immediate reinstatement of an article. That's not necessarily true of a contested speedy. Drmies did offer to userfy the article for you. Lady  of  Shalott  01:45, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Pointless to userfy when I'm only going to move it back to mainspace, where Drmies clearly doesn't want it. Understand that contested speedies aren't default as per prods, thought it'd be quicker to take it to the admin responsible rather than go through a procedural restore at DRV.  I was mistaken. - hahnch e n 19:27, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

While your intent to list at DRV is implicit above, you really should have provided Drmies with direct notification/ a link to Deletion review/Log/2012 March 21, Hahnchen. Lady of  Shalott  02:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Lady. I'll go have a look. Drmies (talk) 02:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Listening well Drmies
I will report you and Trivialist semiprotegieron article Cartoon Network Latin America only to destroy and vandalize at will to prevent registered users from editing it as I decent article on telling everyone that I am vandalizing Wikipedia cruelly each article of this supposedly encyclopedia free.--OliverDF (talk) 21:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not quite sure what you mean. But I would urge you not to repeat those edits at Cartoon Network (Latin America), or Cartoon Network Studios. If you are saying that I am saying that you are vandalizing, you're incorrect. Drmies (talk) 21:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * OliverDF, it is not necessary to be 100% fluent in English in order to contribute to English Wikipedia. However, it is necessary to be able to communicate effectively in English. What you wrote above makes no sense. Please try again. Thank you.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  21:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Greetings from California!
Hello there,

Mrs. Cullen asked me to let you know that she has finally written her first Wikipedia article, Amish dolls, with my assistance. She was motivated by participating in the San Francisco WikiWomen's Edit-a-Thon. There are some great photos on that page. The old codger with his head turned in several photos is me - they let men attend.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  21:32, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you should reward Mrs. Cullen with a nice MacBook! Nice to see her at work, and nice to see you as well. I'd love to meet up with you in San Francisco, a city I once spent a week in and I loved it. That's a very interesting article: I think it has a future. Drmies (talk) 21:50, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You knew this was going to happen. Drmies (talk) 21:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Gee whiz! She got a new HP laptop right before we went to Boston last summer, and I am trying to edit Wikipedia on a Droid X. When do I get some new gear?  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  22:04, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you ever come to Northern California, I will certainly perform my very best imitation of a tour guide. I know the back roads after 40 years of trudging around here.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  22:04, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! I truly had a great time doing this article.  It is important to pick topics that I love and can enjoy researching or expanding.  It has come to my attention that Wikimedia Commons has only about 2 dozen images of teapots.  I have a teapot collection of about 60 and my business partner has about the same number.  A great way to add illustrations or photos to the Commons.  Lots of other ideas too.  ChesPal (talk) 00:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm really happy to see you here. It takes a village, as a person wiser then me once said. Those Amish dolls, that's really something else--a fascinating topic, the kind that you'd never know about without Wikipedia. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 02:48, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm so glad I hang out on Drmies's talk page. What a wonderful first article! There are people who keep saying the encyclopedia's finished, but then new gems like this appear. They need to take notice. (Speaking of the encyclopedia's not being finished, rag doll is in pitiful shape.) Lady  of  Shalott  03:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Isn't it great? And it'll look great on the front page! Drmies (talk) 03:15, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Amish dolls
Hello! Your submission of Amish dolls at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! ♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Today's strange event is a DYK nomination.
Check out Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ralph_Dewey just after the ALT4 where it starts out "ALTs 3&4 are untrue...". I'm left speechless. Bgwhite (talk) 22:38, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahem--not speechless enough to leave some choice words...(you know I'm an admin, right, and thus part of the civility police?) Drmies (talk) 23:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea, I got out of hand with the last remark. I just removed it. Bgwhite (talk) 00:00, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Lots of April Fools' Day hooks are being disputed. (Some rightfully so. Not this one, of course.) – Can't sleep, evangelizing clown will blow me up (talk) 01:20, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Mandarax, I LOVE those incarnations of yours. DYK that the "real" Clown is listed at WP:200? Drmies (talk) 02:11, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ROFL@Cs,ecwbmu! Lady  of  Shalott  02:25, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for De Typhoon
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for De Zaanlander
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Sigh...

 * Honestly, I really don't know that to make of this edit since I was there first and someone somehow followed me there and did something that makes me feel puzzled and quite frankly, not sure what to make of it. Thoughts? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 00:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have 45 seconds before I have to leave the computer, but if Abihjay doesn't either have a history of contact with Abenyosef, or a history of commenting on unblock requests, then a block is definitely in order. If he does have a history of one of those things, I'd have to look at the circumstances more closely. Will be back tonight to either act, or see how you (Drmies) have handled it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know, Dave. I had to look for your edit and found it only in the history, not on the page (for obvious reasons), so Abhijjay can easily make the case he didn't see it. I don't know if he has a history of responding to unblock requests, but he does comment at ANI and other venues. Actually, he did comment in some unblock section, at User talk:Stoljaroff1987. So I can't really call this a violation of the ban--now if you had said "no" and he said "yes", that would be easy. Floquenbeam, what do you think? Drmies (talk) 01:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I looked into it a bit, and see that he's commented on a couple of other user's unblock requests, including at least once prior to this whole interaction thing blowing up. I won't say I think it's likely, but it's plausible he found Abenyosef thru CAT:UNBLOCK. And, agreeing with you, he isn't taking the opposite side of the argument.  Although my AGF supply is badly overdrawn, I'm inclined to chalk this up to an unfortunate coincidence. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:16, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * AGF--see "TheREALCableGuy", below. Drmies (talk) 02:40, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Rogereeny. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 08:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Chris Thieneman
You might want to revisit this discussion. When you nominated the article there was no mention of his pro football career. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Hyphen?
I noticed in De Typhoon that you hyphenate Roman-Catholic. I understand that you've done so because of its use as a double-worded adjective. I've never seen that hyphenated before (that I can recall). I originally came to ask about how necessary the hyphen is, but as I type this out, I guess I'm coming to the conclusion that you are just probably one of the few people who actually do that correctly. Lady of  Shalott  01:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well, actually, I think I typed that without thinking. Also, I think I'm doing that incorrectly considering the spelling in Catholic church. Hyphenation as a compound adjective is a kind of rule, but such "rules" in English are derived from usage, and there may well be notable exceptions. I probably did it because it's hyphenated in Dutch, and because I'm used to the "rule which may not be a rule." Does that make sense at all? Drmies (talk) 02:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Heehee, yeah, I think it does. The "notable exceptions" bit is what I was originally thinking, but then rejected. Perhaps I shouldn't have. In any case, I won't touch the hyphens, and leave it to you to change or not. Lady  of  Shalott  02:15, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and looking at that link, that's a good point, you'd never see"Roman-Catholic Church" in English, only "Roman Catholic Church". Lady  of  Shalott  02:17, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately Google Books won't let me search both versions--it doesn't allow for that kind of precision. Shame. (Did you see the link I posted on FB today, about the birth and death of words?) But GBooks seems to support the version without hyphen, at least when used as an adjective before "Church". But then, that may well be part of the exception, of the notable different form. The OED has only two examples with hyphen (one noun, one adjective--besides the rare "Roman-Catholically"). I wonder what Malleus would say--though I would guess that he would throw a rule at it. Drmies (talk) 02:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Speaking of the mother church--this story has been in the news there the last few days. Drmies (talk) 02:24, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugh! I'm reminded of a wonderful song by Holly Near, called "I Ain't Afraid", that says the singer is not afraid of your Allah/Yahweh/Jesus... "I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your god." As for your article you posted on FB, yes, I commented there and shared it - that was most interesting! Lady  of  Shalott  03:31, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, of course you did. It's been a long day. Drmies (talk) 03:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries! Sleep well... Lady  of  Shalott  03:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. Just FYI you can compare usage in gbooks by using google ngram. Roman Catholic v Roman-Catholic isn't the best example of this tool as the former dominates the latter in usage, but you may interested in taking a look (also hyphens have to be spaced in the search to make it work). Jenks24 (talk) 03:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I've never seen "Roman-Catholic" used, only "Roman Catholic". That could be my limitation, though... Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:31, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Holy shit, Jenks. Have a look at this article, and I'm sure you can find the associated arXiv article. BMK, like I said, I don't doubt that there's no hyphen to be found there in English. Hey, perhaps we can ask our RC vandal. Drmies (talk) 05:01, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sure he'd have an opinion, but I'd prefer not to find out what it is. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:07, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright Bartleby. Drmies (talk) 05:08, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

TheREALCableGuy
Would his block be extended to indef and his talk page access revoked? The attitude he's showing clearly shows that he doesn't belong in this environment.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:27, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * AWGRRRRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHWF. Drmies (talk) 02:29, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Reverted him. Good lord... Calabe1992 02:31, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Jasper, you are absolutely right. And yet, I can't do it. I'm giving him one more chance. If there is a next time, it will be the last time. Thanks to both. Drmies (talk) 02:39, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

I believe that user:TheREALCableGuy is actively evading his block using the IP user:152.43.1.244. He hasn't made any destructive edits, but he is has erased the accusation that the IP is a suspected sockpuppet on the talk page. I believe that this guy will never be constructive and should be banned. Sore bluto (talk) 17:28, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. I've compared edit histories and edits. But here's the thing: since 21 March 2012, 02:38, when I gave him a final warning of sorts on his talk page, the IP has only edited to remove the sock accusation from their talk page. Now, that sock accusation may be correct, but I don't see that the IP has no right to remove it. Now, if the IP starts editing in article space and those edits "are" the REALCableGuy's edits, then you will get the indefinite block. But so far this isn't much disruption and in a way it isn't socking, so I am going to let it slide. I will drop CableGuy a note, so that he knows that we know. Drmies (talk) 18:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * FYI: Sockpuppet investigations/152.43.1.244. Amalthea  00:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Can I ask if you can look into | this IP's edits to see if it could be yet another sock of TheREALCableGuy? Thanks. Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 13:53, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it's possible, yes. But three of the four edits were made while the CableGuy was not blocked--so by definition that's not socking. The fourth edit was made during the block and it's possible that it was him; in fact, I don't really doubt it. But my point on the previous SPI (I need to look and see what happened) is that since I'm giving him a final chance I'm not going to fuss over an edit from before that warning. Now, don't think that I claim to have the authority to make a community decision: if Amalthea or anyone else disagrees, they have my blessing to block, but I'm not going to do it. I need to see disruption, socking, whatever after that warning. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:59, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind taking a look at user:Msw1002? I am not accusing this user of being a sock of cable guy, but there is a strong connection with me-tv, this user has preemptively edited WDSU regarding me-tv, and has many orphaned image warnings on his (deleted) talk page. Thanks. Sore bluto (talk) 20:27, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you should take this with you to Sockpuppet investigations/TheREALCableGuy, unfortunately. Let a CheckUser decide. Thanks... Drmies (talk) 20:49, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Note
I am sorry for have been such a dick to you recently, and I'm sorry for all that I've done. Take care. P.S. I found Abenyosef through Special:Requests for Unblock, just where I found User talk:Stoljaroff1987. Abhijay What did I do this time? 07:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. That unblock thing seemed reasonable to me and to Floquenbeam; I trust you will take care not to run into Dave. An interaction ban may not seem like such a big deal until you discover that you share a number of interests with the person you shouldn't be interacting with--which obviously means that you are somewhat like them. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 13:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks man. I know it's how it's so hard under an interaction-ban an all, and I'll try to keep my distance. But never mind, I'll not get to upset over what happened, because to me it did happen way to fucking fast. If something happens like this ever again, can I see either you or Floquenbeam to deal with this? If so, I will. Thanks again, and and enjoy the rest of March :)  Ab hij ay    ☎   14:28, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well thanks, but Duke and Alabama are out, so there isn't much March left for me... Drmies (talk) 02:56, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Alpha_Quadrant  (talk)  22:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC) Yes, I am around. Alpha_Quadrant  (talk)  23:46, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ani I looked at it again, sifted through the evidence, and there is an obvious point that needs to be made. Can you figure out what it is? Give me your best response, if you like in shorthand, and if you prefer to do it privately, via email. Ha, I think this is kind of funny: a pop quiz! Drmies (talk) 23:55, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * From what I have read, it appears that User:Lankenau inserted original researchthen User:Hghyux reverted him and left Template:uw-or2 on his talk page. The template really didn't do any good the first time it was used, so ideally, it would have been better for him to explain this without a templated message. It appears that User:SkyMachine did this later on. Based on User:Lankenau's edits to User:Hghyux's talk page, User:Lankenau appears to be just asking for some assistance on the best course of action. He shouldn't have called the revert vandalism, but it really isn't a threat. He even said he would avoid re-adding the information without advice The best course of action in resolving this issue would be to just explain the no original research, neutral point of view, verifiability, and vandalism policies. This editor appears to be editing in good faith, although they are just a bit confused. There really is no admin intervention required here. Alpha_Quadrant   (talk)  00:29, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a good start, and ANI is headed that way slowly but surely. But what about the original offending edit, the actual edit, this one? Drmies (talk) 00:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * While the first half the the edit is original research, the second half is well sourced with (as far as I can tell) reliable sources. It really wasn't appropriate to revert the entire edit, as the revert restored two stray brackets that had to be removed http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abiogenesis&diff=483079860&oldid=482903668 a third time]. Before they were reverted the first time, I noticed in this edit summary the user used "we". They need to be advised of WP:NOSHARE, as it is against policy to share an account among multiple people. Alpha_Quadrant   (talk)  00:59, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And now, at this moment, you're half a lightyear ahead of the ANI thread. With "first half" I assume you mean the part starting "The geologic era...", which is unverified, sure, but it's in the lead. I'll let you call it original research if you show me your Ph.D. in geology. ;) But certainly the rest is by definition not original research since it is sourced to printed, academic books. There may be other issues (I dropped WP:COI on the editor's talk page, but by "we" the editor clearly means "him and his co-author", so I wouldn't necessarily call it a shared account. There remains one issue: you shouldn't really cite your own research, of course--but then again, someone's gotta cite it! Dirk wouldn't be the first one. So I think the appropriate response at ANI is "you first": Hghyux shouldn't have reverted in the first place, and certainly not with the OR argument. In fact, Drbogdan's revert is wrong already, at least on the face of it: COI does not forbid Dirk Lankenau from making this edit. Well done. Drmies (talk) 01:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

TB
My thanks -- and an explanation -- here.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  01:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Abiogenesis-talk
Dear Drmies,thanks for putting me on the correct formal Wiki-track. I´ll do my best to conform in the future. Best, Dirk --Lankenau (talk) 06:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC) Moved from top of page.--Shirt58 (talk) 07:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it was a minor thing. Don't worry too much about it--I am more concerned with the other editors, but thank you for your note, and thanks for not abandoning the project! Drmies (talk) 14:55, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Pool temp
While you are sitting in the high 60s low 70s, I cracked 82 yesterday. --kelapstick(bainuu) 15:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It got up, tentatively, to 75 yesterday. I hope you're living a good life down there, mate. Drmies (talk) 18:45, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, the good life. A house full of boxes and nowhere to put it. I have had to make a few trips to Ikea, but the weather is nice, so no worries. My boy started school this week, exciting times. -kelapstick(bainuu) 23:20, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I love IKEA. We're probably going to Atlanta next weekend to pick up some baby stuff there. How's the kid liking school? And how is Mrs. K? Does she like following you around the world, or waiting for your texts? Drmies (talk) 14:03, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * IKEA is great, I love it at the store, but hate it when I get home. I have had to assemble three book shelves, and two kids wardrobes (one blue and one pink of course).  It looks like it might not be the end of the trips there as well...I am torn on the Swedish meatballs at the cafe, part of me likes the, and part of me not so much.  The boy is liking school, and Mrs. K is enjoying Aus, hopefully we can stay here for a while, it is nice to be in a city again.  Atlanta? Baby stuff? --kelapstick(bainuu) 06:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

70.52.175.89
Extend the block farther. He's been blocked multiple times on other IPs. I'm attempting to contact his ISP to have his service revoked.— Ryulong (<font color="Gold">竜龙 ) 19:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there an SPI, an LTA report, something? Drmies (talk) 20:41, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been keeping track. Also, I think there's a range to block him: 70.52.172.0/22. He's been most active on these lately.— Ryulong (<font color="Gold">竜龙 ) 21:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Your notes are more comprehensive than mine. But I'm not comfortable making range blocks--I just don't know enough about them to apply one without too much collateral damage. Any stalkers with admin powers willing to push some buttons? Drmies (talk) 21:07, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I've been dealing with him for longer, and I put in several blocks when I was an admin a while ago. If Bell Canada isn't going to take care of him, we'll just block their service until they can contact us.— Ryulong (<font color="Gold">竜龙 ) 21:08, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I figured. I've never operated in their (or your) range of interests. Sorry if I'm not much help here. Drmies (talk) 21:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Old habits die hard, don't they. ;) Drmies (talk) 21:15, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not think it is written in fansite tones. It's a list of the programs and then the international adaptations of said programs. Unless this is because it's lacking a criticism section, because I don't think anyone's going to find such content for such an old and foreign language franchise.— Ryulong (<font color="Gold">竜龙 ) 21:17, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh no, I don't give a hoot about criticism sections. Drmies (talk) 21:19, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

similarities
You know Badmachine much better than I do. Do you see any similarities between that user and ? See user page history, my little pony connection and talk page welcomer. Toddst1 (talk) 21:04, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I actually don't know him well at all. What little I do know seems congruent, yes--but you didn't need that for an indef-block anyway. Note: I rev-deled a Santorum edit. Drmies (talk) 21:13, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You should ask a checkuser; I have a feeling it might be Night Ranger. Otherwise, it's probably one or two of badmachine's GNAA friends; he strikes me as being very careful to limit himself to troll enabling, rather than trolling himself. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Good call. If I could tell you why I kind of like badmachine (but not Night Ranger) I could start as a psychoanalyst tomorrow. Drmies (talk) 23:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Eh, probably not a good call. Account was created on 5 March, well before Night Ranger lost it. Probably just two of badmachine's friends (I don't share your tolerance). --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:55, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't share my tolerance either. I think it's time I go home--I will leave the place in your capable hands, Floquenbeam. Drmies (talk) 23:59, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Am I ready for filemover
I've 135 images uploaded to Wikimedia projects. There are also quite a number of rename links, see , ,, , , , , , , , . Please decide and notify me. Dipankan says.. ( "Be bold and edit!" ) 06:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC) It seems that Dipankan is correct about that being a Wikipedia user right. However, as this is an area with which I have little knowledge, I am not comfortable granting rights in this area. My guess (and he'll correct me if I'm wrong) is Drmies feels the same way. It might be good to talk to an admin who works directly in this area more frequently. Lady of  Shalott  15:27, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't know what you mean. Drmies (talk) 14:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think Dipankan is asking for the Filemover userright, but I can't tell you any more. I don't know what specifically that right allows. Lady  of  Shalott  15:19, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You need to ask here: Commons:Requests_for_rights. Drmies can't do anything as he isn't a commons admin. SmartSE (talk) 18:09, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you. Drmies (talk) 18:32, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, you need an extra commons in the link: Commons:Commons:Requests_for_rights SmartSE (talk) 22:55, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Na, I'm telling about English Wikipedia. Just asking if I'm ready or not. Dipankan says..  ( "Be bold and edit!" ) 15:15, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Dipankan, I had sincerely hoped that you would take the advice offered by both The Helpful One and myself... Alpha_Quadrant   (talk)  15:30, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * As usual, I feel exactly the way the Lady does. Listening to Alpha Quadrant, who is suggesting you pay attention to comments already made, is a good idea. FWIW, I also read your application on Commons, which struck me as confrontational: if you wish to change people's minds about something or someone, friendliness is the way to go. You're coming by here saying "please decide and notify me," but I don't know you from Adam, and I don't know what a file mover is. That's not the best way, I think. BTW, Lady, I don't know if you feel like me--I'm watching two girls in bathing suits, and I'm sipping on a Witkap Pater single. Drmies (talk) 17:43, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I only wish I felt like you. I'm watching over a full computer lab. Enjoy your day in the pool! Lady  of  Shalott  17:55, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There's always tomorrow, Lady. Also, today is grill/smoke day: I just put a chunk of pork on the grill. BBQ in five or six hours. Drmies (talk) 19:13, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * @Alpha Quadrant, I said am I ready to use filemover or not. I had taken your comment seriously. I just asked for a community input. Dipankan says..  ( "Be bold and edit!" ) 05:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Amish doll
Orlady (talk) 08:02, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

AfD as an art form
I just noticed the close of the AfD for The Leader Phrase Book. Your opening remarks there were very special to me - I'll cherish them always - and your final comment was preternatural in its apparent omniscience:


 * Ohio, forget it. You are the old guard, and oblivion just tweeted that your presence is required. You should probably try to be more like me. BTW, I'm wireless as well.

How could you have known? Known that I've had "Be more like Drimes!!!" written on my makeup mirror for over five years now? I actually bought the makeup mirror for that purpose alone, as I'm a man, and don't use makeup ... well, not unless I'm going on a date. With a girl, I mean; I don't date boys. But since I've never actually been on a date, or talked to a girl, except once, in 1976, to mumble, "I'd like the curly fries, please," it's for that purpose alone.

My only cavil would be that I'm not "old guard" at all: I'm really very hip, well-known as "the trendy one" in my posse. But what do you mean, "tweeted"? Was oblivion personified as a bird in, say, Greek mythology? I can't find any reference for that. And with the greatest possible respect, I have to say that your evident self-congratulations for being wireless merits a, "Well, duh!". Almost everyone is wireless. The only person I know who isn't wireless is my granddad, and even he was until his pacemaker implant surgery last year.

But I'd like to know whether "You are the old guard, and oblivion just tweeted that your presence is required" is your own invention? If so, then based on that, and on your original AfD comment, I'd say you're a wickedly talented satirist ( I'd have written "wicked talented", but I'm too old for such groovy talk, more's the pity ). Have you considered that you might find more lucrative recognition for that ability via the mainstream publishing industry or national press?

I intend that last question ingenuously: Few writers could come up with anything as creatively current, or half so funny as your "oblivion" statement. So what about collaborating with me on a book? Something with a title like The Wickedly Smart Satirist's Phrase Book, maybe? As an initial PR effort, I'll start using and promoting "oblivion just tweeted that your presence is required", especially if you'll return the favor re "belabor the bovious". ( See AfD ) Besides, we could turn that redlink blue very quickly, without even having to pay anyone, and could easily keep it from subsequent deletion, you being one of the chosen, and all.

"Belabor the bovious" was my own, btw. It's not quite up to the standard of "oblivion just tweeted that your presence is required", perhaps, but I thought it'd be more fun than merely correcting my transposition typo. I only attributed the phrase to Bart to give it weight and authority, his imprimatur as the hegemon of modern cool. But I have to stop now, as I've used up all the big words I know. – <font face="Cambria"> OhioStandard (talk) 20:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, your Bart-ascription certainly worked for weight. Then again, I'm not sure you needed it, "bovious" being pretty clever in its own right. I note that the AfD brought out the worst in a lot of people, and I'm happy to see that a superkeepvote was almost cast (in all my years here I've never seen one). Yes, I am claiming the phrase, but really, it's an adaptation of expressions like "hey, the 1970s called and they want their hair back", expressions which I find absolutely delicious. As for wireless: I'm sitting on the pool deck with a delicious Belgian beer typing on my netbook, and I like to think that I'm so much hipper than anyone else. I can think that comfortably, because I can't see anyone else right now and thus the outside world might as well not exist. In fact, I don't tweet, and I hadn't used it as a verb until that time. I am going to try and keep it that way. That book, of course, yes, that's half of everything that's wrong with the world, and the quotes that lard the AfD are prime cuts--if lard comes in prime cuts, of course. If you need a big word, try one from my profession: "overdetermined." In my profession, we don't do satire. Oh, one more wireless thing: I have a Bluetooth-enabled insulin pump, and if I program things properly I can probably use my cell phone or my netbook to shoot up. My car stereo is also Bluetooth-compatible, so I should be able to have my insulin regimen be attuned to, say, some electronic body music, provided by Front 242--and from music to sound is probably a small step. Now, you have a posse? In Ohio? That's very impressive! Drmies (talk) 22:14, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

sound (sex toy)
I was just trying to show that they existed separate from the medical catheters.LuciferWildCat (talk) 21:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I think that point was made, but that link was not OK though I put in my order before I removed it. Surely there are better sources available; even a blog would be better, though if it's enough I don't know. I did a quick Google search but didn't look yet for real reliable sources. Drmies (talk) 21:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Second glance
Looking at recent changes to see if I could find an admin whose judgement I trust, and I saw your name. Could you take a quick look at User talk:Flyer22, including the revdel'd edits, and see if you agree with my decline statement? I also IAR'd and removed a thread about this from WP:AN. Thanks. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:01, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like I just missed you going offline. It's OK, nevermind, Boing said Zeebeedee has chimed in elsewhere. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:15, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No no, I'm here. I've looked at that thing a couple of times today and don't know what to make of it. I saw the redacted edits, and the rev-deled talk page earlier today; I think your denial is just fine, and about the best thing that can be done in these strange circumstances. Anytime a brother in the same house is involved, and there is talk about mental instability, things get murky quickly--someone on that talk page said that if all this is true, then the editor really shouldn't be working on Wikipedia right now but should do other things, and I think that's common sense. Thanks for getting involved there. Drmies (talk) 01:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. I'm off to bed. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Understanding your Views on Hradyesh
Dear Drmies, this is further to your decision on speedy deletion of my first article "Hradyesh". Need to understand as post the last action had reworked the article and also got views from the senior editors at teahouse where no concerns were raised. Still I notice that the reason mention as "Advertising / promotion". Help me understand what advertising / promotion when the article is about an entrepreneur who have introduced a global automobile concept in India for the very first time.

Its easy to delete the article in few secs why dont you assist me correct where its wrong ?

Awaiting... Thanks

Aaanshu (talk) 09:38, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Aanshu, please see WP:OWN. You do not 'own' any articles and an article on wikipedia isn't 'yours' or 'my' or whatever.  Ab hij ay    ☎   12:52, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, Abhijay, he wrote it, it was brand new, no one had gotten to it yet. Aaanshu, I'm not going to rewrite a spammy article every time I run into one: there's too many. There are a couple of things you can do. You can start that article in a sandbox (click on this, User:Aaanshu/sandbox), or you can submit it to WP:AFC and ask for some assistance there. Either way, you will have to provide reliable sources, not the same press release regurgitated twenty times in different publications. (The Times of India really has dropped its standards if they reprint press releases.) And, of course, you'll have to write it in a neutral manner. This is an encyclopedia, not an advertisement medium. Good luck with it. Drmies (talk) 14:12, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Columbo lead photo
You think we might have a copyvio issue there? I noted it is "File:ColumboDVD3.jpg|250px" which tells me - am I wrong? - that the editor uploaded that himself. It makes me nervous. He might have at least cropped most of it leaving just a sort of oval portrait of Falk. An ANI is in progress regarding this editor and his disruptiveness. Thank you for editing at Columbo. You are appreciated and I wish you'd come and do more there.— Djathink imacowboy  17:40, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Anyone can upload those images--it's not the uploading, it's the usage. I know the basics: covers are really only to be used in articles on the thing that the cover was the cover of. Also, a cover in an infobox on a show is ugly. Hey, I saw that thread on ANI. It's a mess and I didn't want to have to read a dozen discussions all over the place. I think one issue at the time is enough: the article and that mediation thing, that's two. I don't think their edits on Columbo are that disruptive, honestly--the two edits of theirs you singled out somewhere did a lot to improve the article (apart from introducing that ugly image, of course). I wished I had the time and the opportunity to catch the Columbo reruns somewhere. It's one of the greatest shows ever. Drmies (talk) 17:48, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Cheers for replying. I think we have cleared up the copyvio issue (there was none). It's a bit worrying that the editor knows how to edit properly but then gets whacked out and starts disrupting. A pity, it seems to me, no one will ever pay attention to his disruptive edits for which I supplied diffs. Columbo is probably the greatest show ever televised. I have loved them since they were new, and that is why I am going to such painful lengths for the article. I know there are few on WP with that dedication and I know it makes me look zany. But I want what WP always claims as its goal: a good article.— Djathink imacowboy  19:34, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

U-KISS
There are some vital information that you removed from the wikipedia article U-KISS. Also, the references are already messed up. jmarkfrancia (talk) 03:34, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No. That tripe you keep adding, that's not vital information. I'll make you a deal: if you can go through and make an honest effort to separate the wheat from the chaff, I won't revert the lot like I did last time. But you need to start with some basic premises: Wikipedia articles are not fansites, and not every fart is notable. In fact, most farts are not. Drmies (talk) 13:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm envisioning a new essay: WP:FART. Lady  of  Shalott  18:35, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Lady, have you read the article? Especially its 60K, pre-me version? Drmies (talk) 21:54, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I skimmed through a diff from before you started editing it to the current (at least as of earlier today) version. It needed some trimming. Lady  of  Shalott  23:50, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Just one thing, you deleted the info about their first concert. I think that is important to an underrated band like them. Is it okay if you give me a week to rewrite and reformat the page into more encyclopedic? I just cant control how other IP users keep on adding information. Then, ill sent u a message on your talk page if im done then i want you to check it for me. Is it okay? jmarkfrancia (talk) 04:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Give it a shot. Drmies (talk) 13:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you :) jmarkfrancia (talk) 04:41, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Article Hradyesh
You deleted article Hradyesh under G11. The author (editor) came to Teahouse and posted his question twice. We have suggested him to check Wikipedia Notability etc etc. I told him to create the article in sandbox first, he has created the article here. I am not very sure if the article is an advertisement (spam). I have given him some suggestions, if possible, share your opinion/suggestions too! Best, --Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 09:14, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Poetry ELs and WikiProject Poetry
Hi Drmies, I saw your comment on the Poetry Project and wondered which EL guidelines you were thinking of specifically. Is it that you think there are generally too many on poetry pages or is the link content? I ask you on your talk page as it's just a clarification question. Cheers. Span (talk) 11:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, both. There's too many, and the content generally is not in line with EL, since a great many of them serve only to link to one or a few poems. This pains me, because I kind of want to plug poets, but in my opinion those links are totally not cool. Keep in mind also that most modern poets' articles are very short, and as a result you get articles that are two sentences long, with biography that takes up one half of the page and an EL section taking up the other half. There's some other issues: I think the poetry folks should draw up guidelines and start writing articles for publications, reviews, and awards. For instance, I see the Quercus Review mentioned all over the place, but there's no article and what I find on the internet (established at a junior college?) does not inspire that much confidence. I happen to work with such poets in a couple of different ways, and I know how the business works--you try every trick in the book to fill up those empty pages--those of the resume. But Wikipedia shouldn't work that way. Thanks for your note: this is something I'm interested in in the long term, and if you're interested--it's not a one-editor job. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 13:24, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'm very interested as poetry is mostly what I do on WP. I hear you on links to individual poems, I remove them when I see them. Yes, a great long list of links is not helpful or required. To be clear, when you say "the content generally is not in line with EL" which content and EL guideline are you thinking of (it's a long page)? Audio/video links to generic interviews on the life/work of the poet seems useful. Biog pages such as those on The Academy of American Poets, The Poetry Foundation, The British Council and the Poetry Archive are useful as they are solidly reliable sources that give detailed biogs and links (often audio/video) to poems. In your edit to Billy Collins you cut the (once in a lifetime)Paris Review interview as well as the Poetry Foundation and Academy profiles. I cannot think what links would be more useful to finding out more about Collins and his work than these three. Last question. I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think the poetry folks should draw up guidelines and start writing articles for publications, reviews, and awards". Do you mean EL guidelines? What type of publications, reviews and awards? (Do you mean within a WP context?) Forgive my denseness in not understanding the questions clearly. Thanks Span (talk) 13:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, if you disagree with the removal of something, reinstate it! Don't be bashful. Now, EL isn't specific in many ways, but what's clear is that a lot of things which are once in a lifetime are not deemed to be of encyclopedic value; I'm thinking of such things as interviews with Charlie Rose in BLPs, for instance. And you must also consider, in the case of those profiles for instance, what do they add? It's a link to a biography, but the link is found in a biography. If the Paris Review interview or the biographical link adds anything, it should be brought into the article as a reference for some statement or other. "Last question"--yes, I think that would be a good idea, if there were some general guidelines. I think there already is a general template, since the list I removed was formatted very carefully and I found the same lay-out in other places. If agreement could be found on what links to add, that would be great. Agreement on which awards are notable and worthwhile mentioning would be good (note: none of the awards listed in that section for Collins are verified in that section, as they ought to be), and agreement on what to list in bibliographies would be even better. I notice that Collins' article doesn't list individual published poems, for obvious reasons: a. he has books and b. he has a ton. But for lesser gods it doesn't work that way. So, I think there is plenty of work to be done, but it has to be done by a bunch of people working together. Does that help? Any time you want to start drafting things... Drmies (talk) 15:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see, you mean we should be writing Poetry Project WP articles on guidelines for which publications, reviews and awards to include in listings. By 'bibliographies' do you mean critical texts about the subject of the article (it seems to have many meanings on WP). You seem to be saying that there is no need for ELs at all because if the content is of any use then it should be used in the article. Is there a rule that if a link is used for a cite it shouldn't be added in the EL section? I would have thought the best sources with most detailed coverage are best linked in the EL section because that's where readers look for more access to further info. I have never been involved in drafting guidelines and am still cloudy as to what a bibliography guideline, for example, would look like. I am very happy to be involved in cleaning up poetry pages but tend to agree with Midnight that less is more. I have rarely found any contention about ELs, bibliography listings or anything similar. I've rarely had anyone ask or seen editors get it wildly wrong. Spam links are about it; But I tend to work on the more low traffic articles. I am happy to follow someone's lead. Btw, I didn't reinstate the links because I first wanted to know what you meant and understand your reasoning. Span (talk) 15:40, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Exo
It isn't a secret anymore that Kris and Su Ho are the leaders and Kai is the main dancer. Maybe you should get your facts right ~.~'

LovelyGirl4ever (talk) 13:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should read WP:RS. I don't give a damn if you change and update stuff like that (which is trivial to everyone in the world besides fans). "Leaders". "Main dancers". I hope you realize that that means nothing at all. But here is the thing: if you reinsert that unverified trivia about birth dates and all, I will revert it again, and I will warn you for adding unverified BLP information again. Drmies (talk) 13:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

It is absolutly normal for K-pop groups sites to have a section about their positions! Do you want to delete it on every page? It is important for people to know what a position they have even more for people who want to know more about a group if they are newbies -.- LovelyGirl4ever (talk) 16:19, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * They're all singers and rappers and what not, but that's not the most important thing. Unverified BLP stuff, that's the problem. And yes, I am going through as many articles of those awful boy bands as I can stomach to clean them up. They're fan sites, not encyclopedic articles. I think you need to think about what "encyclopedic" means. Drmies (talk) 17:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Houston, we have a problem
Hi there MIES, always a real wikipleasure conversing with you,

You sure did like that classic today did you not? Speaking of PSV'ers, i would like your assistance in translating some refs i found once again, now in Kevin Hofland. I know it will be hard to read REF#2 without breaking in tears, but i have faith in you, you shall overcome :)

Attentively, thank you very much in advance, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait--what did I miss this time? I get nothing but basketball and golf here. Ah! Nice! I hope your "ref 2" isn't about the son of God. Drmies (talk) 18:16, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh man. Drmies (talk) 18:16, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks mate! Again, you tested my eyesight (he did not retire at the age of 25), i did well ;) Regarding PERSONAL, why did you remove the kids/wife's names? Was it vandalism? I sincerely don't know... Cheers! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a habit of mine. I think kids should be left out of these things in the first place; mentioning that they exist is the most we should do with living people, in my opinion. I just don't see the point in including their names and I think it takes away from the encyclopedic nature of the project. Drmies (talk) 21:53, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Astroturf
Hi, Drmies... Some clicking through NFL pages brought me to List of AstroTurf installations in the USA. It looked like this when I started. I'm not comfortable with even the idea of such a list, especially now that it seems high schools are as likely to have turf fields as AP English classes. The fact that this list is restricted to a single *brand* of turf seems somewhat promotional to me, rather than encyclopedic.

Anyway, my gut is to put this list up for deletion. I've read the guide to deletion and such. But, I'm asking for some advice here, because it seems that screwing up an AfD can create more lifelong enemies than walking into a Tuscaloosa bar with a game-worn Auburn jersey.

Could you let me know whether my judgement is off base that this article is a reasonable candidate for deletion? If it passes your eyeball test, then I'll try to wade through the labyrinth that is the instruction page for AfD. If I'm missing something, I'm happy to listen to advice and ideas from you and/or your talk page watchers.

Thanks! Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 03:00, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Holy moly, that got a lot better. Hmm. Well, depends on which bar you walk in. I'd choose Egan's, on the strip; even Tennessee fans are served there. The thing is, Moishe, that lists are odd. My gut feeling is that most of them should go, but I hear the weirdest things at AfDs for lists. Your argument is that there is nothing inherently special about having Astro-Turf (TM?) and I think you're right. It took me some clicking to find WP:LISTN, which gives you some indication of notability guidelines--whether your list might be considered notable according to those suggestions is your call; you are better equipped to answer that than I am. Look, I wouldn't worry too much about creating a ruckus. You worked on the article, you asked for advice, and you'll make up your mind yourself: that's plenty of good faith. Keep me posted, and Roll Tide, Drmies (talk) 03:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That list looks like trivia to this TPS. Drmies is right, though, lists are odd; I can't predict which way an AfD for this list would land, but I think it's reasonable to nominate it. Lady  of  Shalott  03:22, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thank you, Doctor and Lady.  I'll look through WP:LISTN and the AfD process when I get some time this week, and I'll let you know what happens.  I very much appreciate you looking at this for me.  Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 17:24, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, I got back to editing... I put this up for proposed deletion. If someone contests, I'll consider AfD.  I noticed that most edits were simply adding another venue... and the talk page included several complaints about sourcing and relevance.  It seemed to meet the PROD criteria, so I'll see what happens.  If someone is so into Astroturf (R) that they are willing and able to find sources, I'm happy to support them and help out; but for now, I don't see this as a useful list.  Thank you for the advice above, and please do tell me if I'm screwing up in process or judgment.  Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 02:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Fix this
Can you also fix this one? --> Super Junior A korean boyband also. Im not the creator of the page, but i find the format and content same as the article you fixed. jmarkfrancia (talk) 04:49, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Super Junior is a very egregious example of how far we've gone over to the fan side. Category:Super Junior is plenty of proof of that... JmKissme, I don't hate these articles, I just want them to be up to Wikipedia's standards. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:29, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

SHINee Edit
Not meaning to question your authority, but I am not aware of what "GA" means neither do I see how the edits to the Members section in the korean boyband SHINee's article was constructive in any way, it looks outdated and poorly researched now, not to say not as organized, though it could end up having less fanwars and whatnot within the article edits, it just simply doesn't seem to do its job correctly anymore. Chocolat ≈ Dubulge (Chat Me Up) 11:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * GA means "Good Article"--see WP:GA. Certain standards are set for content and style, and the version I restored--though still problematic--is a lot more in line with the table I removed. You need to keep in mind that a list of members is a list of members, and shouldn't have to do anything else but list the members. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:22, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

trayvon & pot
Hey, bringing this here, because part of my discussion below determinately does not belong on the article talk page. Anyway, for the record, I think zimmerman should be arrested, so I was in no way defending him with the suspension/pot line of argument. However, as this |search (or |this one) shows there are 40,000 (12k for second search) gnews sources talking about trayvon and being suspended marijuana. This passes the notability and RS bar by a ridiculous amount. BLP obviously does not apply, and I have never heard of BDP, but assuming it is real, I don't see how it could be possibly construed that this did not pass whatever bar is set. We should certainly not be putting OR/Synth in to the meaning of this (as I did in my talk argument, but note did NOT put into the article), but hiding the information so that readers are not able to make those same decisions/thoughts for themselves is also a form of POV editing. We have worked together in the past, and I respect the great work you do here, and look forward to doing it on this article and in the future, but I think you are in the wrong on this one. I will copy the bulk of this coment into the article talk page, but thought the "think zimmerman should be arrested" part was not appropriate. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. I have protected the article, so mediation and broader discussion is in order. How many ghits this pot thing gets is not really my concern. BTW, I noted that you didn't synthesize anything in the article, and that you didn't edit-war over the pot text, for which I am grateful. We obviously differ of opinion here, and I hope that this can be settled calmly at the BLP noticeboard--see WP:BDP, which applies here. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 20:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

protection!?
Really? 3 days protection for a massivly edited article,, when you are not an uninvolved editor? I suggest you unprotect the article. the edit war was not that bad to justify complete locking of this article, unless you plan on monitoring it for changes every few min. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:40, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't plan to do that: we have 1,500 admins on payroll for that. See your talk page. Drmies (talk) 20:41, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You get paid? where do I sign up?! Im doing this shit for free!!!! I have made a request for unprotection at RPP if you wish to comment. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:49, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I disagree with Gaijin42 - this action is overdue, and thank you. I am not a fan at all of full protection, but it has become impossible to get people to actually discuss issues, so I think it was warranted. This is an article about an event, not a biography, and the addition of extraneous details are out of line, as is the use of two "person" infoboxes. One thing flows from the other - we are not writing biographies here, so details unrelated to the shooting should not be there. A history of arrest, racial profiling, violent behavior would be relevant, but the reason the victim was suspended from school has no relevance. Tvoz / talk 20:54, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I have also made a post at the BLP noticeboard. I do not think this is a situation for ANI, as I disagree with your position, but don't think you are doing any misconduct (although I do think you may have broken the letter of the uninvolved rule). i hope you do not see these two noticeboard/requests posts as malicous/vengeful. Gaijin42 (talk) 21:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I would like to salute you for your post at AN. I think it was not needed as the blp/rpp/talk can handle the issues, but opening yourself to scrutiny like that is extremely honorable. :) Gaijin42 (talk) 21:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I really don't want a fight over this. But I'll tell you, I saw the father on TV the other day, and I was thinking, man, if that were my child, I don't know if I could speak. Those are some of my concerns. Well, we'll see what happens. Good luck with the issue, and I'm sure we'll still get along after this. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

"Even in death, they're still disrespecting my son."

Admin help
Kid Twist needs to be moved to Kid Twist (rapper), then Kid Twist needs to be restored back to June 25, 2001 state as a disambiguous page. I'm not sure how I can do it without keeping the edit histories in the correct place. Bgwhite (talk) 21:40, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You can start by offering me a beer. Drmies (talk) 02:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, I thought I had it, but my head is spinning. Basically, the history needs to be duplicated. Maybe it's too late for me to answer this? Lady, are you around? Drmies (talk) 03:02, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice. I still don't know how to fix this, though. Drmies (talk) 05:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Got it, I split the article histories. Not before messing it up the first time, though. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  06:21, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Nice to see a competent admin for a change. :)  Bgwhite (talk) 06:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well done, Explicit. Please tell me where I can find some how-to info on splitting. After I went to bed I thought of two methods to take care of this, none as elegant as yours. Bgwhite, I hope you understand I was busy stifling free speech last night. Drmies (talk) 13:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea, I saw the "fun" you were having at WP:AN and the Martin article. I give you a hard time, but, how to put it, you have bigger balls and thicker skin that I will never possess.  This is not just for entering into a no win situation of the Martin article, but also for taking action and then putting yourself up for scrutiny at WP:AN.Bgwhite (talk) 18:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry I wasn't around to help. I'm glad Explicit was able to take care of it. Lady  of  Shalott  15:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It'd be an opposite histmerge, which are not fun to do. Props to Explicit, though. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, Ed, something along those lines is what I was thinking as I dozed off to sleep (Travels with Herodotus isn't that exciting). My easier option would be to argue that the new addition by itself could be speedily deleted, if A7 did indeed apply. Explicit, is what Ed suggested in fact what you did? I looked at the histories, but I'm still hazy from having a really nice breakfast with the whole family--a rarity on a weekday. Drmies (talk) 18:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It essentially is the opposite of a history merge. I pretty much followed WP:HISTSPLIT. Oddly enough, I didn't realize that section existed until now. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  19:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:ANI
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Bob K31416 (talk) 22:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Bob. I really appreciate this. Drmies (talk) 02:07, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

delete investigation Bilal_Khan_(singer)
Could you take a look at Bilal_Khan_(singer) and tell me what its history was? I nominated it for CSD when it popped up on my watchlist, so I must have interacted with it before, but it has a very short history, so whatever happened before is lost. I checked my CSD/PROD logs and didnt find it there, and also didnt find it in the AFD archives. Gaijin42 (talk) 22:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. There are 36 deleted edits; yours were the fifth and sixth edits. First you PRODded it and then you removed some vanity/puffy terminology. The two versions were written by different people; the first one was a lot worse than this one! JamesBWatson deleted it as G5, since it was created by User:Sabi43. Perhaps it's worth your while poking around in the SPI and in various user contributions? Drmies (talk) 02:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm maybe it's not worth your while. The Intersect tool found no articles in common (besides the Bilal Khan one, of course). Drmies (talk) 02:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * could you compare the puffery i deleted previously to the puffery just deleted a revision or so ago? The particular broken-english seemed very familiar to me, and if it has a lot of overlap I think I might propose WP:DUCK. (in particular "His very first song earned him that much of fame for which artists usually struggle for years to get." seems really familiar.) Gaijin42 (talk) 04:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, not really. I'll tell you what, though: both editors used a particular template for the guy's website, Bilal Khan Official, though the first one didn't have the "Bilal Khan Official" part. I note this because I wasn't even aware of the template. But this is really all that I could see. The categories, for instance, are in a different order. Drmies (talk) 04:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Based on the edit histories of some of the AFD commenters, I have made a new SPI report for the 3, and linked them possibly to the previous SPI Sockpuppet_investigations/Cool_Angel I think there is absolutely WP:DUCK or possibly even real (clerk has not checked yet) socking in the AFD, and seems too coincidental that there would be 3 brand new socks on an article that was previously socked. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Your above link does not work. Calabe1992 20:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

thanks! Gaijin42 (talk) 20:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Treyvon Martin shootings
. Both NBC and ABC Nightly News programs have just confirmed that he was suspended from school for having a bag with traces of cannabis. So, I think you can unlock the article and allow that information to be added. Cla68 (talk) 23:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * CBS Evening News just said that Trayvon's family has confirmed the reason for his suspension. Cla68 (talk) 23:40, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm watching Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives. I still don't see why this is relevant. Also, Cla, I think you know your way around and can find AN, where there is a thread. You don't need me to unprotect it, you just need a willing admin. Drmies (talk) 02:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You abused your admin tools by locking a page in a content dispute you were directly involved in. You further abused your admin tools by reverting to your prefered version after the page was locked.  There is no excuse for such blatent misconduct.  If you want to keep your admin bits, I suggest you self-revert both actions.  A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:20, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * A Quest For Knowledge, by its very nature, Wikipedia is a collaborative project. Occasionally, this means living with edits you disagree with. Is it worth the WikiDrama? Drmies (talk) 02:26, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL. Probably not.  But honestly, why didn't you just post a notice at ANI and let an uninvolved admin make those decisions?  A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Because, in my opinion, there was enough warring and disruption going on to make decent editing on a balanced article impossible. Someone somewhere spouted some stuff about a sacred obligation that I violated, and you're throwing a nice bunch of terms around--"blatant misconduct"? we've never even met! Anyway, if I supposedly have some sacred obligation, don't I have the sacral duty to put my fine set of tools to work? If this weren't a BLP/BDP, do you think I would have protected? Now, I don't believe for a moment there is anything sacred about this rather shitty job, but at the same time, I have been given some measure of trust along with those buttons. This time, I chose to act upon it. As for "involved"--I think that notion is highly overrated, and I heard the news also today, but in my case, it was the father whose words I heard. Hearing that makes me less inclined to listen to the OTT charges by people who don't have a personal stake in the article. That father does. If you find admins who disagree and who overrule me, that's fine: I don't mind abiding by consensus. Drmies (talk) 02:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * But that's not your call to make. Once you became involved in the dispute, you're no longer allowed to use your admin tools.  You're right, being an admin is a shitty job.  I know that, and I'm sorry about that.  But that doesn't give you the right to throw WP:INVOLVED out the window.  A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it is my call to make, since WP:BDP makes that my call. The Quest, the disagreement here shouldn't be over "involved": that's a ruse. The first question you must answer is whether BDP applies or not. If you answer "no" then you can start talking involved. But, on another note, sheesh, all these people I've never met saying things they would never say in ordinary conversation to someone they don't know? You don't have to apologize about adminship not always being great since that is beyond your control, but man, "you abused your admin tools" without even a "hey Drmies." Call me old-fashioned, besides "abusive admin." Drmies (talk) 03:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * No, WP:INVOLVED says "Involvement is generally construed very broadly by the community, to include current or past conflicts with an editor (or editors), and disputes on topics, regardless of the nature, age, or outcome of the dispute." In this particular case, you were in direct conflict over this content and you even continued the edit-war after the page was locked.  Look, it's up to you whether or not you want to be de-sysopped.  Trust me, ArbCom will not be sympathetic to your cause.  It's in your best interests to self-revert your last two edits to the article.  A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 03:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

BLP/BLD _always_ applies to anyone living or dead with living relatives. The question is does the policy prohibit some particular content. you thought it did (and you are entitled to that), several other editors did not. With such a lack of consensus regarding if the policy was relevant to the particular content, I think your unilateral action was inappropriate. This was not a blatant violation that needed immediate attention, it was widely reported in many multiple RS. in the end your argument might have won (although I think it is swinging my way) in any case, it didnt require immediate action on your part, and the "aura" of bad admin. That said I think you are getting over-vilified in the AN with people out for blood which is not an appropriate level of response. Gaijin42 (talk) 03:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, Drmies, telling me to go to AN to get the article unlocked is silly. You locked it, you need to unlock it.  Locking down an article when so many new, important details are coming out, like this, isn't very helpful. Cla68 (talk) 03:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * What's silly is pretending that we're the news. I mean, seriously. yahoo.blogs. In an encyclopedia. I think you may be working the wrong job. Drmies (talk) 03:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed that that source is weak, but it will likely spread to ones that are notable. and in the meantime there _ARE_ other improvements that are well sourced which can be added. Gaijin42 (talk) 04:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Gaijin, ANY admin has the power to overrule me: this should suggest to you and everyone else that I'm not the only one who thinks protection is warranted. My problem is not the source, it's the perceived necessity to repeat everything that's reported! immediately! A lesser problem is the patronizing crap oozed by some other editors. A Quest, I have no fears re: my upcoming ArbCom case. I read what's being squirted all over AN, and I also see from who the worst comments are. Well, let's just say I like the gift as I like the giver. Quest, kindly do not return here, unless you need your talk page protected or something like that, in which case I will be happy to help. Oh, now I remember where I know you from: you were trying, unsuccessfully, to get Malleus shafted, and now I guess you're trying it out here: "Look, it's up to you whether or not you want to be de-sysopped." Nice. Drmies (talk) 04:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have sent a note to arbcom with my POV and saying as the editor whos content you removed, and as the editor who first mentioned "involved admin", I did not think desysop or other administrative action is needed. While I think we still have a difference of opinion on the direction of the article, and what content should be included, and I think you erred in your action, the witchhunt after you is uncalled for. Let me know if I can be of any assistance in the matter. Gaijin42 (talk) 13:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

@Drmies: How  dare  you use your intelligence and powers of judgment to balance the demands of competing policies and determine the best course of action based on the bigger picture. Don't you know you're supposed to robotically follow the "rules", not make waves, and never open yourself up to massive assumptions of bad faith? Get with the program, man. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be easy if the rules actually determined a given course of action, BMK. Well, you know, you can't win over everyone, and I don't mind a bit of cut and thrust, but the assumption of good faith and an adult level of conversation, that's always nice. There's another editor calling for my head on AN. Apparently, "no amount of words can express just how damaging his actions were." Makes you wonder what he'd say about the killer of the dead young man in question. If such an amount of hyperbole is necessary to describe my actions, what would he say about someone who shot an unarmed kid? What's the superlative of "no amount of words"? Oh wait, it's the internet, so it doesn't hurt. Drmies (talk) 04:49, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I will say I think you acted in a completely appropriate manner here with regards to protecting the page as the material included at the time does have a contentious implication behind it, though I think material about this aspect of the subject should be included with some improvements. Just saw a news report about this where his mother was accusing the police or whoever of trying to destroy her son's reputation. This may merit a detailed mention in the article covering both aspects i.e. noting the perception that this information was revealed to slander the boy as a way of bolstering support for the shooter and the police.--The Devil&#39;s Advocate (talk) 17:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Advocate. But to the point: if one includes the contentious information (for reasons that are not clear to me), and one then tempers that by also including the statements from the mother accusing the police department, and for good measure (UNDUE, of course) one should then include the response from the police department...where does it end? In an article as long as a newspaper, for starters... Drmies (talk) 18:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, presumably if there was a long back-and-forth over this question that would make it a notable aspect of the story and thus worthy of inclusion anyway. I think it can be summed up in a reasonable manner. Obviously it shouldn't take up a third of the paragraph about Treyvon himself. There might be another place to include the controversy lower in the article, with maybe a brief sentence in the paragraph about Treyvon.--The Devil&#39;s Advocate (talk) 18:29, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's just so unseemly. Here we are, fighting over whether to include this or that factoid, and the young man is barely cold. If the parents called me to ask what was going on, I wouldn't know what to say except "I'm sorry" for doing the same thing that everyone else is doing: jumping on a scoop. So much time and energy spent on this issue--and The Force That Through the Green Fuse Drives the Flower is still a stub. (Mea culpa.) Drmies (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I totally get that last part. Too many articles get neglected because no one is sufficiently interested in the subject or are not bold enough to take action. An interesting test is to look at the article on a fictional character and then compare it to the article on the person portraying that character. The results can get kind of depressing.--The Devil&#39;s Advocate (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Drmies (talk)

Protecting articles?
I noticed you edited Yoshiki (musician) and that you are an admin, do you have the ability to protect that article and X Japan? I requested at WP:RFP, but there is a backlog. The vandalism is starting to pick up and is now happening to the talk page. Xfansd (talk) 02:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I took care of a few entries and I had a quick look at those two as well, but in my opinion there wasn't enough yet to warrant protection. I'll look again, though. Drmies (talk) 03:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Just so you know, the musician Tweeted about Wikipedia so all his fans are vandalizing it, which makes me think it will be going on for a while. Xfansd (talk) 03:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, things have picked up in the last hour and I've semi-protected both of them. I left you a question at RPP: please have a look. Drmies (talk) 03:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just posting so you know I responded at WP:RFP. (Maybe I should have posted it here instead.) Thank you again for protecting them, I don't want to bother you anymore as I see you are currently involved in many conversations here. Xfansd (talk) 04:26, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehe, not at all. Yes, I saw your note--thanks. It doesn't seem like there's an issue concerning a real person whose Wikipedia article might harm him. Drmies (talk) 04:29, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, if the positions of members in Exo for not citing a source, then I'd recommend you to go through many Kpop-related pages and clean them all up. Pages from these categories: etc...
 * Category:South Korean dance music groups
 * Category:South Korean rhythm and blues musical groups
 * Category:South Korean pop music groups

Have a good day. Penpaperpencil (Talk) 04:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. While I do that, you may have a look at WP:RS and WP:NOT. Drmies (talk) 04:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi Drmies - Thank you for the barnstar. I was really glad to be able to contribute a selection of photos of the parents to an important article. --<font color="336699" size="2" face="comic sans ms">David <font color="336699" size="2" face="comic sans ms">Shankbone  10:24, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Thanks for the photo and for that sentiment, which I share. Drmies (talk) 15:59, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Cheers, Drmies: you should enjoy an adult beverage of your choice, perhaps one of those Belgian beers of which you're so fond. You made a call and promptly asked for community opinion, and that warrants desysopping of you and anyone who agrees with the call you made? Sheesh. Lady  of  Shalott  15:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's after something like that thread happens that we realize why some are so reluctant to take up the mop. Calabe1992 15:59, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks to all of you, and to the others at AN. Lady, it's a bit too early for one of those though, you guessed it, I'm sitting by the pool in my swimming trunks, before class. Drmies (talk) 16:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * +1 from me, I think you've done a great job in a really difficult situation here. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If WP:BLP means anything at all, it means that we aren't duty-bound to regurgitate every churn of the 24-hour news cycle, and that we don't have to be a megaphone to publicize negative material about a recently deceased private citizen when that dirt has zero to do with his death. So yeah, whatever the outcome of the ensuing discussions, this is the sort of thing we expect admins to do (but also the sort of thing most admins are too afraid and/or incompetent to handle), so thank you for stepping up. Don't get discouraged. Cheers. MastCell Talk 18:06, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Whatever you do there's always some pusillanimous twat hiding around the corner with one of his fictitious "bright-line rules", but for what it's worth had I been an admin I'd have done exactly as you did. Malleus Fatuorum 18:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're not a real admin until you have an angry mob calling for you to be desysopped for making exactly the right call. Congrats! Bobby Tables (talk) 19:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ditto! Just as anybody who has seen "There's something about Mary" know that a certain Washington D.C. resident could have innocently left DNA on a colleagues clothes, and anybody who has seen "Transformers N" (where N is going to infinity) knows that marijuana brownies, etc., can get scarfed accidentally. BLP rules, dude! Kiefer .Wolfowitz 21:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you ever heard the song by The Scaffold, "Today's Monday"? For me as a student, Wednesday was usually hash-cake day, no accident. Malleus Fatuorum 21:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Found it. You Brits, you have the strangest sense of humor. Thank you all, by the way. Drmies (talk) 00:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And you Americans have the strangest sense of punctuation. What's wrong with "You Brits have the strangest sense of humor"? I think it's high time that Americans are charged by the comma. Malleus Fatuorum 01:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong with it. If my students were charged by the comma splice I'd be a rich man. But I wanted "You Brits" with a pause behind it to indicate derision. Dammit if I cant even insult you with punctuation I might as well give up on the whole thing Drmies (talk) 01:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, without wishing to involve grannies or eggs, "Brits have the strangest sense of humour" might have been better. One less comma, less tax to pay. Malleus Fatuorum 01:29, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It may be an idiomatic construction. "You guys, you're the best!" is a perfectly understandable American construction, where the repetition of the "you" gives it more weight than in "You guys are the best." The hesitation and repetition increases the emphasis.  For some reason, I want to ascribe this to the Yiddish influence on American English. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:17, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * BMK, I'm not getting into a weight contest with Malleus, but thank you for stating the oh-so obvious truth. If Malleus says "spring in de sloot", I'm coming up covered in duckweed. Drmies (talk) 03:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't even know what "spring in de sloot" means. Malleus Fatuorum 03:45, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, neither do I. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:53, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, Google Translate says it means "Jump in the ditch" in Dutch. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:54, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "Jump in the canal." A mother might say, "well, if he says jump in the canal, will you jump?" to reproach a child for listening to the wrong people (not to mom). Drmies (talk) 03:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, the lemming thing. "If Rudy said to jump off a cliff, would you?" No cliffs in the Netherlands, I assume? -- "Low Countries" and all. (Is there a Mothers' Underground that propogates these idioms across cultures? - And, no, I'm not talking Zappa.) Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:19, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Someday I need to learn what that expression means. I know it only from The Ren & Stimpy Show. Malleus, I'm surprised you've never focused your laser beam on my real weak spot--the double dash. Hey, what do you think of the name Liam? Do you have any compelling arguments against it? By the way, a little birdie told me you charged Florida with 1/8th of US corruption. I'm not sure how you quantified that, but I won't dispute. Let me tell you this though: they allow the sale of big beer bottles, 750ml, so they have a huge advantage over my state in beer selection. Were it not for that, you could have the entire state, as far as I'm concerned. Drmies (talk) 01:37, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was thinking merely in terms of Florida's missing chads. Malleus Fatuorum 01:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll be visiting that state next month for the birth of my sister's third daughter. :D Lady  of  Shalott  01:46, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, isn't she the lucky one... Drmies (talk) 03:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

UAA...
I stuck another one up there if you wanna address it. Will be taking a look through the log here shortly as well... Calabe1992 18:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

you revert two edits
by an anon user @ The Scotts Miracle-Gro Company. the first one was a harmless/ helpful copyedit. 24.154.87.90 (talk) 19:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * (tps) I'll take a look, I think the anon editor is right but it's an easy fix. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This? Other than the "w", I don't see anything good here. Calabe1992 20:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Re-read the post, slowly. I fixed it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I took that as his first revert, this. Calabe1992 20:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Floquenbeam. Drmies (talk) 20:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Request
Heya Doc, can you or one of your admin TPS do me a favo(u)r? have a look at the previously deleted versions of 1999 Demo and 2000 Demo to see if they are the same as what was covered at the time of Articles for deletion/1999 Demo, to check WP:CSD eligibility (or lack thereof)? Much thanks, --kelapstick(bainuu) 04:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I looked at the 1999 version. I can't say they're the same--but they're both really short and unverified. Still, I'd call them sufficiently different, I guess. Send it to AfD... Drmies (talk) 04:27, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. Also, could this be the record for the longest deletion discussion in history?  Followed closely by this one???--kelapstick(bainuu)
 * Wow! How'd you run into that? and how did the closing admin? Drmies (talk) 04:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was cruising through PRODS that had previous deletion discussions.--kelapstick(bainuu) 04:45, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the laugh. I needed it. Bgwhite (talk) 04:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * We at Wikipedia, aim to please. Cheers, --kelapstick(bainuu) 05:18, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

U-KISS
Hello. I am partially done with my major reconstruction of the article U-KISS, as of now i looking for references for those informations that have no refs. I want you to check it for me, and tell me what other information should be removed, or what sections needs reimprovement, etc. With regards to the Members section, still working on it. Thank you. jmarkfrancia (talk) 11:05, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Username
What is the relevant policy for usernames such as (check out deleted contributions)? <sup style="color:green;">Bongo  <sub style="margin-left:-4.2ex; color:blue;">matic  17:10, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all, G4 was correct: good call. Second, as far as I'm concerned, I would block for promotional username violation (see WP:CORPNAME) but I wouldn't add "spam" to it--so I'd apply a "softerblock". Good seeing you again Bongo, Drmies (talk) 17:50, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Request for Restoring
Hi Drmies, can you please restore my deleted User:Abhijay/Welcome2 (placed under my request). Soviet King (talk) 00:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait--you changed your name? OK--where do you want it? Drmies (talk) 01:01, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * On my talk and user page please. Soviet King (talk) 01:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Oh, I told you-kno-who about your name change; he has a right to know. Take care, king. Drmies (talk) 01:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Um, my created page (i don't own it): User:Abhijay/Welcome2 is still not restored. Soviet King (talk) 04:28, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it was: User:Soviet King/Welcome2. Drmies (talk) 03:49, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry, I didn't know it was moved to a new page. Thanks again :) Soviet King (talk) 10:10, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

 * My pleasure. Stroopwafels fresh from the market are always good. Hey, I just went skinny-dipping with the girls! It's nice to be middle-class. Drmies (talk) 01:54, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * At my age skinny dipping is no longer an option. I thought about taking my niece for a clandestine dip in the fountain earlier this week, but her parents probably would've freaked. I guess I'll wait until they turn on the playground sprinklers. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 03:19, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm no spring chicken either, I'm just incredibly hot. If you like men with gorgeous bee-hinds, of course. Have a great weekend Summer. Drmies (talk) 03:25, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

American American needs help
Hi there Drmies (and or Dutch tps'), can I ask you to take a look at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Erik Bosgraaf? This submission was brought up at the AfC help desk and the guy certainly appears notable. There's something of a lack of (English) sources though and that's holding it back from mainspace. I immediately thought of you, so can I ask you or someone else to take a quick look for sources for Bosgraaf?  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  14:54, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I think Drmies is resting,it's friday night here.Actually I am not so active for few days because of cold,cough and fever.But I watch off and on.Eric Bosgraaf is surely a notable,here are some English reliable sources,I can more provide if you wish?.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 19:41, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

English language sources.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
 * Thanks Justice; I had completely forgotten that you speak Dutch as well. :) Any more biographical sources would be great as well.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  20:13, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Few more,and goog night.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 21:21, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

9 10 11 12 13
 * I found a couple of references, but not a whole lot (and nothing for that superbestselling CD). The article needs a rewrite. I'll have another look tomorrow. Right now I'm overcoming my grief at not having won $640 million. Drmies (talk) 03:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't hopeless,look me I am overcoming the same grief for 32 years and how many are ahead don't know yet. You know we are the real crazy people to make others rich,am I right?.may almighty God help you, amen.Justice007 (talk) 10:35, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Justice. If there was a god who'd make me rich if I asked her, I'd like that a lot, but it would probably be a religion on one. I will look at the article today or tomorrow. I think it should probably be moved into main space. Also, I hope your cold has left you. Iedereen de groeten, Drmies (talk) 16:08, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And you'd think that if fate is gonna make three people lucky, it wouldn't have been terrible to stretch it to four or five...Ahh well. Such is life, as we say. Article accepted, BTW. Thanks for the help you two.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  20:38, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Trouwens, ff serious nou: een gozer in een pak die een blokfluit speelt in Paradiso--het moet ook niet gekker worden. Drmies (talk) 20:50, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Dank U Drmies,no cold, no fever but well still terrible cough, cannot do anything.For Nolelover,here is the translation of your "antic" proverb, "Besides, ff serious now: a guy in a suit who plays a flute in Paradiso - it should not be crazier". From me good night,I am tired.Justice007 (talk) 21:50, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I hope your cough doesn't linger too long. Be well, Justice. Lady  of  Shalott  01:34, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Lady, I realy feel 90% better to look at your blessing words.Thanks.God bless you too.Amen.Justice007 (talk) 17:27, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Grant a request
I think you should grant the request. You had so much fun the last time. Bgwhite (talk) 22:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. First of all, I didn't know MBisanz had a first name; I'm disappointed that he does. Secondly, how does Tvoz know it and I don't? Third, that long message is one single paragraph; that's not good. Drmies (talk) 03:13, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahem. <sup style="color:green;">Bongo  <sub style="margin-left:-4.2ex; color:blue;">matic  06:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Replied
Moved Commons-related discussion to Commons, at Commons:User talk:Drmies. Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:07, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Please discuss on sister project talkpages
Please stop posting to my user talk page about my activities on the sister project, Wikimedia Commons. I am discussing this with you right now on your Wikimedia Commons user talk page. I will gladly and politely discuss this with you there. I've removed this from my own user talk page on this project, as is my prerogative. Thank you for your understanding in this matter, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:18, 31 March 2012 (UTC) Good point, I should apply the same logic on your user talk page on this project, as I do on mine, thanks for pointing that out. I'l continue this on the relevant sister project. Thank you for complimenting me about my work on the topic of Freedom of speech on this project, it's most appreciated! &mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:52, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Whatever, Cirt. Maybe Commons has less exposure? I don't think you'd get away with this category on Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 21:22, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I replied to you at your Commons talk page. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:23, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know. Any place but your own talk page on Wikipedia, I s'pose. Drmies (talk) 21:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Similarly, I don't discuss other project-work here, either. It's a general policy of mine to keep things organized. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:30, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * So what makes my Wikipedia page the proper venue, pray tell? Or what is to stop me from copying this entire conversation to your talk page, where you again removed my remarks? You're not helping your cause here, Cirt. Nice that you're working on those Freedom of Speech portals, by the way. Freedom of Speech--much maligned and abused, indeed. Drmies (talk) 21:35, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: AN (belated)
Thank you. Just "keeping it real", as the youth say. I guess this interaction makes us "buddies" in the view of certain commenters in that ugly thread, or? Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 21:51, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

A great search tool
Finally, Google has created a search tool for us Wikipeadians. Bgwhite (talk) 05:29, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)