User talk:Drmies/Archive 50

Bullshit. Of course she's a woman and a novelist.
<3 <3 <3 quote of the day <3 <3 <3 SarahStierch (talk) 22:16, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

apologies
I'm sorry if I have placed any stress on you in a real life sense. I saw a thread at ANI, and I took what I thought was the best possible actions. You and I have talked before on wiki, and I consider you a good person. I'm sorry if my actions have caused you any stress. — Ched : ?  01:24, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Stress? Not me, Ched. I thought your action was absolutely correct, and I'm glad you had the balls to do the proper thing--I didn't want to ask for that, I wanted someone to make up their mind. Doc James's intervention was not as kosher, unfortunately. I appreciate your note, and I always have a beer cold for you here, in the special Ched corner. Drmies (talk) 02:03, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait ... there's beer for Ched? ... I am SO there. :) — Ched : ?  02:09, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * is there bacon too? :) — Ched : ?  02:10, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Raw for Chedzilla. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:54, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Maria de Wilde
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jacob de Wilde
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Karl Paryla
Hello! Your submission of Karl Paryla at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  14:42, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

CSDarrow & the SPLC
Hi Drmies, sorry to bug you but could you take a look at CSDarrow actions in the Talk:Men's_rights_movement thread. He's crossing a line here - there is not a consensus for this, yet at least (the thread is just over 2 days old and there has been very little input, no at teh moment no clear cut consensus either way). Also his repeated interjections in that thread are fudging the issue and his haranguing of those who disagree isn't helping. Furthermore he seems to think that the WP:DR processes can be used to bludgeon his views onto community. This is not a way to reach consensus - even ppl who support his views have noted that-- Cailil  talk 16:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Cailil--you're not bugging, but I gotta run and do a few other things before I can get to that. Thanks for the note, Drmies (talk) 16:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

COI on the latest drama
Mr. Vega, according to his own LinkedIn page, attended the MFA writing program at Columbia University in 1991-94. Since he edits under his own name, and since his IP geolocated to Brooklyn when he dropped his drawers a couple of times, I don't consider that I'm outing him. And according to her own article here, Ms. Filipacchi, as certainly the entire world must know by now, entered the MFA writing program at Columbia in 1990. They've known each other for over 20 years. The Eddievega account was silent for nearly two years, then the moment this scandal erupts, he shows up here. He definitely has a COI, and the pages where he's edited should be thus tagged, which is the way I tagged them. I also started a sock investigation on him, since he's pushing his COI from two different accounts (one of them created last night) and an IP. SO--what shall we do? I say the COI tags I originally placed must be restored. Do we agree? Also, he's claiming, lol, that I'm the one with the COI since I've been trying to clean up the articles associated with his friend, all four of which were a promotional mess. Thanks. Qworty (talk) 19:14, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you need to notify all accounts and IPs named in that SPI that the case exists. Lady  of  Shalott  19:37, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for finding that. I certainly got the impression that he had some personal connection to Miss Filipacchi, but I wasn't sure what it might have been. His only significant prior activity was making self-promotional edits on the Murdaland article so it seemed likely to me that he had some conflict of interest here too.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk.  cntrb. 21:23, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Qworty, thanks for the detail. Feel free to reinstate the tags I removed (two or three, can't remember). Good luck with the SPI; I do think you got a case but let's see what CU has to say. As for your supposed COI--if I were to believe those claims I'd be a hardcore Republican or some such thing since I reverted many an editor on biographies of politicians I can't stand. Drmies (talk) 23:50, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I have noted some additional concerns regarding possible COI editing. Certainly seems like there was something going on with many articles related to Miss Filipachi.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk.  cntrb. 04:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * And I've reinstated Qworty's COI notice on two articles (the novels). Drmies (talk) 04:48, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * DA and Qworty, you'll be interested in this and other recent edits by Eddie. Drmies (talk) 05:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that. Well, who's going to revert it?  Or should we just wait till the sock investigation paralyzes his hands? Qworty (talk) 05:14, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, he only said some stuff on the talk page that you subsequently removed and, unless you think GSBeck is his account, hasn't edited that article at all. I don't support having such a notice unless he is significantly working on the article either at the talk page or the article itself. A single bit of soap-boxing is not sufficient to me.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk.  cntrb. 05:55, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Another Block Evasion IP
You all might have missed this one since it edited very early this morning. I would recommend just blocking that entire range for one month since that guy doesn't seem to be giving up. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 19:42, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Homer. I don't do range blocks--and from the IPs I remember it'd be a wide range--wasn't there a 118 in there? Anyway, I appreciate the revert--this person is like a fly. You swat at them, and the next day you swat again. Drmies (talk) 23:31, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It was 118, now it is 117.205., same ISP though. The range is over Patiala, which has a population of 405,164 people.  So, we could block the range, but it would upset alot of people.  It could be said that those same people may use the Punjabi Wikipedia, as Patiala is in the Punjab state in India and a range block here wouldn't affect them. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 00:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can't do that. That's a case for ANI, or the SPI, or someone smart... Drmies (talk) 01:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * ANI never listens to me, so I guess we are SOL. :( -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 02:00, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Here's an odd one.
Coal Miners in Hindi Fiction - something to tickle our literature professor, Indian studies scholar, and mining engineer all at once, perhaps? Lady of  Shalott  00:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe so. Who's the tag bomber? They seem very experienced already. Drmies (talk) 00:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't know. Lots of userboxen, but a redlinked talk page is also a bit odd, isn't it? Lady  of  Shalott  01:14, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you think that monogamy can mean autogamy? Drmies (talk) 01:43, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting...I have dropped a welcome on the creator's talk page. Not something I am familiar with (coal mining or Hindi fiction).  As an aside, who's up for Turks and Caicos Islands this fall?  I am looking for a tax haven and want to go on a "Fact Finding Mission". --kelapstick(bainuu) 04:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Count me in, K. I could fly out on Thursday if I can be back on Monday. Or, you could pick me up with your yacht in Mobile. That was a nice desert-looking desert, by the way. Drmies (talk) 05:00, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I am still overseas so it won't be now, and it won't be this summer. Going to wait until the cooler weather hits again.  They have twice daily flights to Miami, but it looks like your best bet is to connect through Charlotte.  I don't have a yacht yet, but I was thinking of mounting my trailer on pontoons...Instant houseboat! Just watch that first step out the door. --kelapstick(bainuu) 05:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Q
Hallo there Drmies and assorted stalkers—I was going to move The Negro Star (Newspaper) to The Negro Star per WP:PRECISION, but in searching for "The Negro Star" (just in case it existed) I found Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Negro Star (Newspaper), which was created today. Is there a policy under which the mainspace article can be deleted, or what? Thanks!  Ignatz mice•talk 01:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think there's a simpler way to do it: I'll delete the AfC submission as housekeeping--it's a duplicate. Go ahead and move, and if you like, clean the hell out of it. Tell you what, there's a DYK in it: it's an important topic. Ask Malik Shabazz for help, maybe, or Soman. Drmies (talk) 01:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Soundeth good. I'm actually packing and cleaning (or rather, should be packing and cleaning) (going back home this week!), but that can be my New Project. Huzzah. Is there a more "official" way of doing this if I come across a similar situation, or should I just not worry about it?  Ignatz mice•talk 01:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * We recently acquired G13, for abandoned AfC drafts. You could stick that on there and explain on the talk page or the edit summary. I don't know if you can slap G6 on it and with a parameter explain what's going on. School's out, I suppose: good luck with finals, if you still have any. Drmies (talk) 01:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * G13. Okay. School is not quite out for most people, I think; I'm actually taking a gap year, and I've been helping out at a cool folk-life place for the past month. (I'd link to its article, but I'd have to create it first, and having done NPP/AfD I know it probably wouldn't stand a chance.) But now I'm heading home.  Ignatz mice•talk 01:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Now isn´t this silly?
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Look what I found in the Anachronism article. Just nonsense, because if The Last Supper by Leonardo da Vinci, 1498, depicts oranges, which were brought to Europe by Portuguese traders from India in the 15th century and were unknown at the time and place of the Last Supper, than they are probably not oranges, but buns. If Leonardo did not know anything about oranges than, consequently he could not depict them. That is why this is not an anachronism. Picture removed... Warrington (talk) 10:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it is fairly obvious that they are not oranges, but doughnuts, probably jam filled, hence the reddish hue.  Spinning Spark  11:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you both joking? It's clearly a stack of juicy bacon mushroom melts from the neighbourhood Wendy's (operating at La Via de Roso since 5 a.d.) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:01, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think Da Vinci's Jesus looks like a girl, prefiguring the categorization issues we're having here and the essentialism subscribed to by some of the players, wittingly or unwittingly. Drmies (talk) 14:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Category:Asexual religious figures? Or would this be Category:Genderless religious figures? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:34, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheez and fucking rice, Crisco. I was looking for Category:Male gods and discovered Category:Goddesses by culture and its male parent category, Category:Gods by culture. Good thing the NYT isn't reading my talk page because holy moly this is exactly the kind of thing that feminism ("the radical notion that women are people") and other common-sense philosophies have railed against for years. Gods are male, goddesses are sub. Drmies (talk) 15:12, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That is messed up. I look at some of the god/goddess cats sometimes, and I'm pretty sure that there are others where  is the parent with subcats of  and  that are on an equal level. Lady  of  Shalott  23:20, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Deities would be better. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:28, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Drmies, I just took a look, and Gods by culture and Goddesses by culture are both subcats of Deities by culture, and - as far as I can tell - that's the way it's been for a good while. Did you perhaps misread the see also note as a parent category? It is instructive, also, to read the description at the top of Category:Deities. Lady  of  Shalott  14:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that suck for me if you were right? I suppose it sucks for me--I probably did misread that note. Drmies (talk) 16:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Gender of God makes for interesting reading, by the way. I used to assign Caroline Bynum's "Jesus as Mother" in medieval classes. Drmies (talk) 16:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Now you people are crazy! Warrington (talk) 10:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Danish bacon
File:SchlafendeKalifornischeSeelöwen.JPG While working on getting Danish Bacon to GA I recently (re)discoverd your draft at User:Drmies/sandbox Danish bacon. I had forgotten all about that. I have pinched some of it for the live article (the Exorcist stuff), hope you don't mind. Credited you in this edit.  Spinning Spark  11:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's old news, and I saved it and didn't put it in mainspace because of some fundamental confusions either in me or in the existing article. Feel free to take what you can--like John Hyatt said, if it ain't nailed down, take it. Drmies (talk) 14:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Or as Stravinsky said, "Talent borrows; Genius steals." Only he stole that from someone else.  Ignatz mice•talk 15:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Or as Milton said of Paradise Lost that it "pursues things unattempted yet in prose or rhyme", a line he lifted from Ariosto. Drmies (talk) 16:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Mark my words. Warrington (talk) 18:21, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * "Make it new", dears.
 * The most important fact about Danish bacon is that street vendors wrap bacon around Danish sausages, one of many signs of a Danish proclivity to hedonism, according to some Swedes. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  18:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Street vendors in Bangkok wrap bacon around sausages - it's catching on ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Kiefer, raunchy metaphors aren't allowed on my talk page, you know that. And referring to women as bacon is not cool. Here in Mobile they wrap hot dog sausages in bacon and deepfry them. Drmies (talk) 21:32, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Valin Shinyei
Hi. You deleted Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Valin Shinyei a few days ago as being promotional. The original author did a copy/paste recreation today at Valin Shinyei. I don't have a strong opinion about he appropriateness of the article (though I don't think it meets G11 - yes the person writing it probably has a conflict of interest, but that in and of itself doesn't qualify it for G11). In any event, I have done a history merge from the deleted AFC revisions. Since I restored something you deleted, I wanted to let you know. --B (talk) 22:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Cullather
Ha! I'll definitely do what I can to help, although I'm not familiar with writing academic biographies; WP:PROFESSOR has always been mysterious to me. I've not read his faculty page or anything else much regarding him, so I know almost nothing about him other than what he's mentioned in class; I had no clue about pretty much everything that you've found. I do know about documentation here that I can check, however. Among other things, I know that he worked (at least for a little while) in the office of US Representative Lee H. Hamilton — not because I've heard this from him, but because my supervisor at work has put me onto working with photos in this project, and just today I ran across a photo of him with other staffers. I'll also see if I can convince him to sit for a snapshot for Wikipedia; they sent me a T-shirt as part of last year's WMF giveaways, and I've worn it in class, so he'll probably remember that I'm an editor. The class won't meet any more, but perhaps he'll be willing to let a soon-to-be-former graduate student take a picture. Nyttend (talk) 22:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be great, and an easy cum laude. PROF basically says that an academic is notable if she's made a notable impression in the field, and those reviews (five already for two books) claim that he did, so that's easy. But what most PROFs lack is basic biographical information, the factual stuff. MA and PhD dates are easy to find, but DOB, military career, church things, whatever, those are more difficult to ascertain, usually. BTW, you should really, really write up Robert Fulk and, if you can, take a class with him before you leave. He's an institution in Old English studies and, from what I understand, a really nice man. Drmies (talk) 23:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Googling what little I know about the Hamilton connection produced a bunch of pages. This story from December 1986 reminded me — he was Hamilton's press secretary, and he left at some point in 1986, since in March he was still in that position.  Job history.  You mention church: in class he implied that he was Catholic, and see here, but it's really not a good enough source for mainspace.  Married to Melanie Castillo-Cullather per this page.  The bits about nation-building sound particularly interesting; the course in question is "Modernity and Modernization in International History", so you can imagine that nation-building is a core topic.  Been relaxing on here for a while and need to get back to working on the project; I'll let you integrate this bits, or I'll do them when the project is done.  Nyttend (talk) 01:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry to ask you to do something for me, but is there a chance you could create an article (at least a stub) for Ed Linenthal or Edward Linenthal, who's another professor in my department? Go to Special:Search for "Edward Linenthal" and you'll get 26 hits, most of which mention him as the author of key sources; he's contributed substantially to the Oklahoma City National Memorial and the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (thus seemingly passing the bit you quote above, "an academic is notable if she's made a notable impression in the field"), and more concretely, he easily passes WP:PROFESSOR #8 as the editor of The Journal of American History, one of the premier US history journals.  I'm asking because I've worked under him to the point that I'd probably be in a WP:COI situation; he was a member of my MA review committee (analogous to qualifying exams for PhD candidates) and I've worked under (and been substantially influenced by) him.  Plus, I'd like to be able to ask to get a photo of him for a WP article "that somebody else created".  Nyttend (talk) 16:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. But give me a day or so. And I'll get back to Cullather too. Project going well? Drmies (talk) 16:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Turned in the project on Tuesday; I thought of checking back here because he just notified me (already!) that it's graded and ready to pick up.  Graduation is tomorrow, so I'll probably not be able to do anything regarding Linenthal or Cullather for a few days either.  Oh, by the way, see Talk:Reamer Barn; you're not the only one surprised by the absence of a photo.  Nyttend (talk) 17:08, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

User:JoshBlitz and AFC issues
User:JoshBlitz has been repeatedly resubmitting an article at AFC without attempting to comply with the decline reasons. It's been declined 3 times now and he's reverted/resubmitted it 6 times. You reverted him once and I've attempted to discuss this with him but nothing has worked. While this isn't a huge issue in the grand scheme of things, AFC is already backlogged and he's only making it worse. A look at his talk page reveals serious issues understanding the point of AFC, sourcing, and the need to communicate with other editors. Any suggestions on what to do at this point? Woodroar (talk) 02:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * They're still doing that? I'll have a look today. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 13:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion
Hello, Drmies. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CSDarrow (talk • contribs) 03:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

You Got Mail
-  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 05:22, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi
As with Andreas, I think you and I also got off to a bad start, so I wanted to come here and (1) thank you for your kind comments on Andreas' talk page and (2) apologize for any uncivil comments I launched your way in the past. Tensions are running high these days and I think we have all done things we now regret, so anyway, sorry about that - I know you're a long time contributor and I think we actually might agree more than we disagree. I also have a daughter, the same age as yours, and I totally feel you w.r.t. gendering - I do my best to just treat her as a kid, but the world doesn't. Anyway, just saying I look forward to further collaboration with you. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 13:47, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Same here, Obi. This whole thing is bothering me greatly, I don't mind telling you, and I hope I didn't get too carried away. I just made some edits to the Filipacchi article, but none of them pertaining to this particular controversy, only to the second one, perhaps. You know, I hadn't read Qworty's commentary on Filipacchi (no one pointed that way--most accusations were made without diffs and such) and I think they're way over the top, but I'm going to stay out of that particular one. I don't have much of an opinion on Filipacchi as an author or an activist: she's obviously notable by our standards, as are her individual novels, and the articles obviously weren't well-written by the time the whole horde, including you and me, got to them. As JPL quickly became the scapegoat for the category issue (and not entirely undeserved), so Qworty quickly became the figurehead for "retaliatory editing". I assume my edits there can easily be called that, though I believe that a WP editor with some sense will see that a. they're in line with WP:V, NPOV, etc. and b. I'm more on Filipacchi's side with the category problem slash perception and thus have no reason to retaliate. I've edited hundreds such articles, and unfortunately much of that is trimming. Anyway, is there a "big" category discussion going on? Will I be able to understand it? I was thinking this morning on my way to work about something I just ran up against the other day: categorizing a book as "1638 publication" or so is true but not helpful if you're looking for books published in that time period-say the 1630, or the first half of that century. Plowing through subcategories is irritating. Even intersecting categories won't help there, unless it's possible to search for date ranges. I really appreciate your note. I hope I haven't been too uncivil; if so, please forgive me. I suppose I was being pointy in our little edit war, where we were both careful enough to not get our stupid asses blocked, and that wasn't my best side. I do hope something good will come out of this: a category system that is helpful to experienced editors and lay readers and does not appear to be skewed one way or another. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers Drmies. Yeah poor Qworty - I think she's literally gone off the deep end. I'm quite glad people came in and had here delete those raves, but the damage had already been done.
 * I think moving to category intersects in the long run is the way to go. If that happened, you would take say Maya Angelou and tag her as "woman, african-american, poet, writer, actress, etc" - so individual attributes that aren't qualified (e.g. no more "african-american woman poets"). Then, you'd be able to search on any given combination - e.g. show me all the women poets from Virginia, or show me all the gay cuban drummers, or show me all of the russian-armenian physicists of lebanese extraction, etc - the sky is the limit. Then there'd be no more ghettoization at all, as everyone would just be defined by their essential characteristics, and we wouldn't have to argue as to whether X + Y + Z was a valid way to slice and dice people - just let people decide for themselves. See the WP:Category intersection talk page for an interesting discussion and interesting linkage with wikidata. To your point on gender(s), if we went this way, we'd need help to figure out, besides male/female, what other cats for gender should exist? it seems there are umpteen possibilities... Before you get too excited though, just note ppl have been talking about category intersection for 6 years. My only hope is this media storm will help those guys prioritize developer time to fixing this.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:25, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not really looking for infinite gender options--three would be fine for starters, or four, as the German wiki seems to have. As you can tell, I've not been keeping abreast of those discussions; I figured it was for the geeks and not really that relevant to content. Was I wrong or what. I'm going to have a look at that discussion, thanks. I hope your girl was off to a better start than mine this morning: she was grumpy and mean to her sister, and that made me grumpy as well. BTW, you can see her in here, though you may need your reading glasses. Drmies (talk) 16:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Karl Paryla
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Second oppinion
Second oppinion would be needed in this article Komondor. They say in the article that the dog in the first picture in the Komondor article is a Best in Show winner of the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show in 2007.

But when checkinhg on the List of Best in Show winners of the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show, the dog is not there. How is this possible? I think that this statement is not true. I would need some second oppinion on this. I had some disagreements about this picture which is not a very god one (partly that is why I got tired of W, somebody was probably socking around arguing about this dog winning the show, and so on).

But now there is an article about Best in Show winners and no mention in it about any komondor beeing Best in Show, ever, much less in 2007, when a springer spaniel is mentioned, or am I missunderstanding something. Hafspajen (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I remember that article, and not with great pleasure. Drmies (talk) 16:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I don't see any evidence either: scrap it! You can just say "unverified" in your edit summary, and that would be true. I don't mind if you change the picture--it's not very sharp, and there's better ones on Commons. Just to make sure, and to be ready for possibly future disruption, place a brief note on the talk page. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:24, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice. Hafspajen (talk) 16:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The image is of a dog being shown at the Westminster Kennel Club Show, not any kind of winner, so I've changed the image caption accordingly. Malleus Fatuorum 16:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Malleus Fatuorum. And I changed the picture altogether, as suggested. Hafspajen (talk) 16:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I preferred the other image, but heh, not my choice. Malleus Fatuorum 16:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The Commons image had a caption that mentioned that, yes. Warrington, that new picture is WEIRD in its overwhelming whiteness but then, it's a weird dog to begin with. Have you seen Malleus's dog? Drmies (talk) 17:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That's not my dog, this is my dog, a mean sleek racing machine. Malleus Fatuorum 17:34, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * .. Err, just butting in here.......the caption on the original pic was 'Best of Breed' rather than Best in show; it certainly looks as if it was a picture taken while all the BOB winners were competing in the group ring. I feel as if I'm having a 'groundhog day' as I had gone over to Hafspajen's talk page to leave a message and it looks as if I might already have been there - without having any recall of it whatsoever?  typically nosey female sticks head round the door to sneak comment in but closes door very quietly on the way back out....   SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  17:25, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think it implies any such thing, other that it was an event to determine the best of this particular breed. Malleus Fatuorum 17:34, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This was the edit about the dog so called Best in Show.  Sorry about the allwhite picture. Does anyone have a better one? Sagaciousphil left the message while I was offwiki, but I liked it, someone at least appreciated my work.  Hafspajen (talk) 20:22, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That's probably just a misunderstanding of what the image description was actually saying; the dog was taking part in the show, it didn't win it. But I'd far prefer an image showing the dog standing up, more or less in the position it would be judged, and the closest in the article is File:Komondor delvin.jpg. Malleus Fatuorum 20:34, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, fixed. File:Komondor delvin.jpg is in. About Sagaciousphil idea that the dog was 'Best of Breed' in 2007, the records of the Westminster Kennel Club show  shows that no komondor was a winner of  any 'Best of Breed' or anything else, since the years 1994 and 1995. It is just pure mischievous stuff, not to talk about all the accounts that was created for this cause, plenty off them. Hafspajen (talk) 21:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The major problem, IMO, is that the article is written as a "How to Keep Komondors" article, particularly in the Healthcare section. What about its genetics, dentition ...? Malleus Fatuorum 21:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The major problem, IMO, is that the article is written as a "How to Keep Komondors" article, particularly in the Healthcare section. What about its genetics, dentition ...? Malleus Fatuorum 21:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Just a couple of points - but first, I apologise if I have upset Malleus Fatuorum, that was certainly not my intention. I was confused when I went to leave a message on Hafspajen's talk page as there is a note I had left on an IPs page way back in January (if I spot any one trying to help improve dog breed articles I always try to encourage them). And yes, many of the dog breed articles are in a poor state - either 'How to' or 'Point of View' 'Isn't my dog awesome' and 'here are some lovely pics of my pet dog at every age possible'. Look through the temperament sections and they are almost always 'good with children', 'wonderful temperament' etc etc. Links/refs are to breeder sites (naturally biased) even facebook, forums are frequently put in. But I am digressing!

At shows, specimens of each breed scheduled at the show compete to find the 'Best of Breed'. The BOB then goes forward to compete at group level (usually four dogs are placed and it is the group records Hafspajen is linking to above). A judge then selects the best in show and reserve BIS winner from the group winners. The list of BOB winners at Westminster 2013 is given here, so there would have been a Komondor BOB winner declared each year since the breed was fully recognised - I'm not sure when the AKC first recognised the breed but the AKC site does have some general detail here.

Sorry to have intruded and put a wall of text on this page but if I can help in any way, Hafspajen, just let me know. SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  08:15, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Now don't get confused about your message, Sagaciousphil, it was from a computer, not the account, I just liked it and save it for "might be useful, later". But I am confused about this dog, called Quincy, still. I say that the dog looks very small, considering the standard. The dog you were pointing out is a different dog, GCH Nagyalma Unforgettable Too from 2006, not 2007. And the Healthcare section is a problem, maybe it should be shortened. (can anyone explain why I suddenly have a thick grey line across my account, wathlist, and everything, and a mark 0 that was not there before?


 * And one more thing, somebody states that quincy was BIS att Talk:Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show that Quincy was best of breed at the Westminster Kennel Club show in 2005, 2006, and 2007. Now that hardly can be true, or am I not getting something here? Hafspajen (talk) 08:31, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It is possible for the same dog to win Best of Breed for three different years, especially in the numerically small breeds where there might not be many competitors. That dog is certainly listed as BOB at the show in 2006 here. Interestingly, the breed is classified in the Working group by the American Kennel Club but the Pastoral group by the Kennel Club in the UK. Maybe we should take this over to your own talk page instead of monopolising Drmies' page?  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  09:08, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, we do that. But still it is a bad specimen, probably because in the numerically small breeds might not be many competitors. Hafspajen (talk) 09:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mary Cooper (publisher)
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: IP 24.22.192.131
Re your message: Works for me! I don't know why Wikipedia seems to attract these fan-made seasons of reality TV shows so much. Free hosting, I guess. The user space is full of stuff like that. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Grey line?
Can anyone explain why I suddenly have a thick grey line across my account, wathlist, and everything, and a mark 0 on it? That was not there before. Hafspajen (talk) 11:22, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Funny, I only have a small grey box with a number in it, no grey line or bar. Lectonar (talk) 13:25, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's the replacement for the "you have new messages" bar, it just went live. 78.149.172.10 (talk) 11:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Pff. I remember the good old days when you got an orange "you've got new messages" notification and Sigue Sigue Sputnik were on Top of the Pops in 1986.--Shirt58 (talk) 12:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait—no more orange box? *sniffs*  Ignatz mice•talk 13:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I the new system, which is much less annoying than that yellow box and has options in your preferences to allow it have more information.  Facebook-esque, but an improvement.  Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 13:10, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If that, than I like it to...Sometimes that orange was annoying  Warrington (talk) 13:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I've already got Writ Keeper working on it... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I would have liked the new system if they hadn't gotten rid of the orange bar. As it is, the only reason I even noticed the prime snarkfest going down on my talk page was the email that it sends me; thank the Outer Gods that they didn't get rid of the email notification. The removal of the orange bar leaves no notification whatsoever to an IP editor that their talk page has been changed, which is absurd and frankly a little bit of a surprising oversight from the WMF, the supposed champions of "anyone can edit". Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 13:37, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Seriously? That's a monumental balls up if it's true! SmartSE (talk) 13:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point about the IPs. I also liked the orange box, pace Dennis. Smartse, you know dirty words aren't allowed on my talk page. Drmies (talk) 13:50, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Are we sure that IPs don't get the orange box here? Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 13:58, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks that way. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:00, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Absolutely sure. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 14:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry doc ;) Looks as if it's being fixed at least. SmartSE (talk) 14:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad to see they will fix that for unregistered users. We can let the IPs eat orange cake, but the new feature has some real benefits, even if it will take some getting used to.  Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 14:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, I don't mind Echo myself (though I do like having the orange bar as well, to make talk page posts more noticeable). For those dogs that are too old to learn new tricks, or those that want to have their orange cake and eat it too, I've finished Yunshui's requested script: User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/orangeBar.js. It's a cookie-based implementation of the orange bar. Obviously, that means you need cookies to be enabled in your browser for it to work (they're usually enabled anyway). Questions, comments, concerns, bug reports all welcome, as always. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 16:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Isn't orange a beautiful color? Drmies (talk) 16:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The google translation into English doesn't really do it justice. It does look like some of the prose we see here from time to time. Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 17:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Away message
For anyone who might want to know where I am, I've left a message on my talk page. Drmies, I hope you don't mind my pointer here as well. Lady of  Shalott  15:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't see that yesterday. Take care; I will keep you in mind. Drmies (talk) 16:33, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

THIS IS NOT FAIR
At first you blocked the article from editing.Then you blocked me.Now you blocked the talk page too.If you can not allow anyone to edit,you also can not stop him to put his view on the talk page.you blocked the talk page because i posted there enough proofs to accept my view and you did not wanted to correct the information.So you do not wants that other people can able to see my arguments and given proofs.This is not a fair policy.is this??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.220.77.130 (talk) 16:22, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's you again. Drmies (talk) 16:31, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

big violation
Someone made the page Waking the Cadaver (band) with the dab "(band)" just to get around naming the page Waking the Cadaver because that title is salted from being made due to them being a non notable band. Can you delete and salt the Waking the Cadaver (band) page so this sort of childish fandom can be put to rest, please? Not to mention the user that made this page was banned for socking. 69.225.135.97 (talk) 21:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, salted or not, the article in its current state looks not as bad as it could, and it has some references (including Allmusic), so I'm certainly not inclined to nix it rightaway. I'll look more into its background. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * So, made it, and they're indeed CU-blocked. I personally don't really care, and there's some other editors who've made edits, and they can't all be Deathcore02 unless they're smarter than me (which isn't hard). You're welcome to tag it as G5, if you like. Drmies (talk) 01:08, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I finally responded
at Template:Did you know nominations/Public Vault at the Congressional Cemetery. Sorry for the inexcusable delay. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 03:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Nothing inexcusable about it, my dear Smallbones. I'll have a look again--it's a great and fun article and might make for a nice GA. Drmies (talk) 13:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Puppy
 Warrington has given you a puppy! Puppies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Your puppy must be fed three times a day and will be your faithful companion forever!

Orange bar
Given the furore that seems to be developing, I think it best to let you know that I mentioned this talk page in this edit. - Sitush (talk) 23:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC) So, if we mention and link to User:Drmies on Doktoro's talk page, does get a +3 on the little StackExchange number at the top of the page? Or just a +1? Uncle G (talk) 11:18, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Funnily enough, it's this kind of casual mention that Echo is supposed to notify is about automatically (though it probably didn't in this case, since I don't think it works for links to a user's talk page for some reason). Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 00:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw it. Writ Keeper, you should be proud of me: I actually read the Notifications page and even took the survey, in a probably futile effort to know at least a little something. I still want my orange bar back but hey, the times they are a-changing. Drmies (talk) 02:00, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm pretty indifferent about Echo. Its features sound nice, but they're not really all that useful in practice.  I'd be all for it if they didn't remove the orange bar, but they did and seem to be sticking to their guns, so I'm left with my script. What annoys me is that they also broke the thing that would let me easily reproduce the orange bar without having to mess around with cookies, which would make the script a LOT more usable, but maybe they'll fix it. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 02:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I miss clicking on one link and seeing one diff. How do you know all this stuff, "scripts" and whatnot? Where do people learn that? And why would they? Drmies (talk) 02:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I was getting links all day when someone mentioned me via User:Dennis Brown links.  It was a running joke all day, I got a few dozen notifications.  Can't speak for  links since I don't use those. Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 02:55, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, and you do have to select "Mention" in your preferences. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 03:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * We could always test it . --kelapstick(bainuu) 06:02, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No notice, I had to wander over on my own. Gotta use the regular wikibrackets, it would seem. I paged Drmies, but I am guessing he doesn't have "mentions" ticked off in his preferences. Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 11:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I do, and I did see it. Sorry, it was late when I saw it. Drmies (talk) 14:15, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * "Where do I learn it?" Everywhere and nowhere; I just kind of make it up as I go along. It's actually quite easy, if you have the right mindset for it.  There's not much to it: figure out a thing I would like to do (or have one suggested to me), think about how I'd do it, look things up online to make sure it'll work the way I think it will and get ideas on how to do it better, then do it. There's a certain je ne sais quoi about programming, I find; I approach it more as an art--or rather a craft--than a science. There's an element of the proverbial Zen to it; you just have to fall into the zone and get the right mindset, and then the secrets of making a computer work the way you want it to fall into your lap. "Why?" Well, I like it. It's the digital equivalent of building a table rather than buying it; it's then something you can point to and say, "I made that", and take pride in your handiwork.  Also, it's nice that, when I see a better way of doing things, I don't have to go ask someone and get them to do it for me; I can just do it myself. Most importantly, though, it's helpful to other people who don't do it themselves. That's kind of what I see my role at Wikipedia is; obviously, I'm not a big content creator, so I try to serve in a supporting role by helping the content creators do their job better.  Scripting's the most direct way of doing that; things like new page patrol, the Teahouse, and the like are other ways. It's why I'm here: to help. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 13:33, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Screw that. I just find what I like on someone else's page and steal it.  No reason to reinvent the wheel when you can just "borrow" and give attribution. ;-)  Same reason I use Perl. Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 13:54, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, of course; that's where the "get ideas on how to do it better" comes in. :) Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 14:55, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * By using perl and realizing from the experience that there must be better ways to do things, you mean? &#9786;  Uncle G (talk) 11:18, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * But you don't have to a programmer to use Perl, or care about grammar or structure or anything. Putting Perl in the hand of a novice is like giving someone a Maserati for their 16th birthday, you just know that carnage is on the horizon.   Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 14:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Just the one, Uncle. I still miss the orange bar, though, and there are issues. If one is mentioned in an ANI section (I think), the proper link shows up but isn't clickable--only the article or user within the link (if I remember correctly) is. That is a totally interesting template, by the way. I'd looked at it before; I don't quite understand all the parameters you stuck in. Drmies (talk) 19:42, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:NPA
Hi, if you could spare a moment, please take a look at this. Thanks. ROG5728 (talk) 03:15, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

cat intersects
I'd be happy to explain more here how it works. it's important that it be understandable, so finding a way to explain it to you that makes sense would help in the broader messaging. Can you let me know your questions or areas of unclarity? best, --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 04:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The proposal I looked at yesterday, WP:CI, got very technical quickly, too technical for me. I got to the bit with the example of the 1998 German films: obviously that way of searching is cumbersome, and I gather that this only works satisfactorily if the categories are fully populated at the highest level--correct? But most of what follows is beyond me; for instance, I don't know what a "new namespace" is or what it would mean. I don't know if I would need to understand that even. "Intersection:Actor::American people::People of African descent" is the name of an intersection? The example with the categories that one can click to combine, that's the kind of thing that would be useful, yes, but the technicalities of it escape me. And what is the status of the proposal? I tried to understand what's going on on the talk page and said "yes" to the last proposal, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of traffic there, and I need to read that entire section again and follow your Nigerian novelists. (So, I lent my support to a proposal whose technical nature is not clear to me, unfortunately, but whose practical value seems evident.) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:59, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, I wouldn't worry too much about WP:CI, that is very wonky, it's sort of a meandering exploring of various technical solutions to solve this in the "right" way. Now, it seems, the "right" way is using wikidata - but that may be a year or two before it spins up. My solution is a hack/bandaid, to get us closer.
 * The best thing is to read over my proposal on the talk page carefully, and then play with the Nigerian example. In order to make this work, I took a few Nigerian men and women and I put them in and  - a top level cat. Then, I took those same people and placed them in  (even the women - I didn't put them in the sub-cat). Then, I added a link - that makes it one-click (thus easy for the user) that pre-populates the cat_scan tool to provide an intersection of Nigerian men novelists or Nigerian women novelists. If you click on, you would (theoretically) have a list of all novelists in that category, men and women, but if you click on the 'external' links, you could henceforth filter by LGBT, by gender (including intersex if needed, etc), by religion, and so on - it all depends on how well we tag people. As I only did 7 bios, the cats won't match right now, it's just a proof of concept. IMHO the best part about this solution is, it can be *done* today, and vast parts of it can be done by regular editors with no specific technical skill. I'd want to work with the cat_scan guy to refine how the results get displayed, but that would be minor.
 * Furthermore, my thought was, at the head of each cat (say, Nigerian novelists), editors would agree on the pre-programmed intersections that were interesting (So for example, Nigerian novelists + American politicians may be not interesting, but Nigerian Novelists + Igbo people may be. so you get to define basically dynamic intersection categories, and a different set for each category (and that set can change based on whims of editors). Best of all, even if your desired intersection is not there (let's say it's a one-off), you can just click into the tool and create it on the fly. Let me know if that makes sense or not. Perhaps the best thing would be to work together with a few people like you on another, smaller tree somewhere, and flesh it out fully -categorize all the bios, and come up with all the "interesting" intersections. If we did this, all of the gendered/sexuality/etc sub-cats could eventually go away - but we'd retain all of the other, existing categories - and the ability to dynamically build the intersections we want of gender/sexuality/religion/ethnicity with those cats. In this utopic future, there would be no-more ghettos, as all of the "job" cats would be generic and non-ghettoizing.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:56, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

works navboxes.
We did not come to much of a decision at Talk:Dante_Alighieri. There is a broader discussion on the matter at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Novels. Could you state your opinion there to help achieve broader consensus.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:39, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I posted a follow up question (and there are now several other authors for your consideration).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:18, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK 113
Did you know that Dr Mies is number 113 on the list? Warrington (talk) 09:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's cause I make typo after typo, Warrington... Drmies (talk) 14:00, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * My edit count is inflated for that same reason. Many years ago, when typing was still thought of as a transcription process to be conducted by "typists", I learned that the patterns of my typos were attributable to the sin of Thinking While Typing. Is there a badge for that? --Orlady (talk) 15:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have a rather similar problem, in that my mind is racing ahead and I sometimes miss out words because I think I've already typed them. Maybe I did, in an alternate universe, and there's a localised breach in the space-time warp continuum over here. Malleus Fatuorum 15:30, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Not so much when I'm typing, but often when I'm writing I'll think of a word I'm going to write—and start writing it before I've quite finished the current one.  Ignatz mice•talk 20:15, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm just stupid and careless. I usually write before I think. Drmies (talk) 20:25, 3 May 2013 (UTC) dri or nak
 * Wery modest, but nice, Warrington (talk) 09:52, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

PraetorianFury
Your warning is going nowhere, perhaps you could reiterate it to him?

Is this really the best you can do, a *second source* from stephenhalbrook.com to establish his notability? Don't you think this should imply something to you when you can't find any mention of him anywhere else? PraetorianFury (talk) 11:41 am, Today (UTC−5)
 * WTF are you talking about. There is mention of him all over the place. Gaijin42 (talk) 11:49 am, Today (UTC−5)
 * Am I missing something? Where is this grand list of links that mention him and his opinions on gun control in Nazi Germany? All that has been provided in this section are a link to a Wikipedia article, a Washington Post article which does not mention him, and a second source from his website. Though admittedly the talk page has ballooned in my absence, I could have missed it. Could you point me to where all these mentions are? PraetorianFury (talk) 11:53 am, Today (UTC−5)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ he is notable for his views on gun control, the topic of this page. He has appeared as an expert witness on CNN, ABC, FOX, and other channels. He has testified before congress MANY MANY times on gun issues. He has argued and won two gun control cases before SCOTUS, wrote an Amicus Curae for Heller (the most important gun control case ever probably) that a majority (300+)(mainstream!) of Congress signed, and his books and articles were cited by SCOTUS in Heller and McDonald (among other SCOTUS and lower court ruling citations). He has written many articles, which have been cited HUNDREDS of times, and written multiple books published by multiple publishers, some of which have won international awards. Further, a simple google search will find you MANY articles where he is quoted for his opinion on various gun issues from reliable sources. Finally, that Harcourt, Salon, Mother Jones, etc all single him out and try to disprove him is notability via their attention. If he was a nobody, they wouldn't respond! Gaijin42 (talk) 12:06 pm, Today (UTC−5)


 * Links? PraetorianFury (talk) 12:13 pm, Today (UTC−5)
 * I listed many things. Please provide something specific you will think is satisfactory or that you question. Gaijin42 (talk) 12:17 pm, Today (UTC−5)
 * You typed many words on a talk page but have provided no links as required by WP:ONUS. Let the record show that I've given you the opportunity to change my position and you have rejected it. PraetorianFury (talk) 12:19 pm, Today (UTC−5)
 * WTF are you talking about. I asked you to clarify what you wanted to see. That is not rejection. Gaijin42 (talk) 12:24 pm, Today (UTC−5)

Gaijin42 (talk) 17:26, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw those edits, Gaijin, and I see no reason to act on them: they are decidedly more courteous than the three or four that caused me to give them the warning in the first place, they are not inCIVIL, and the questions are valid. It's a heated discussion and I am not looking for a reason to block someone. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you point out the comments you thought were particularly incivil? This would help me to calibrate my own opinion of such matters. I did perhaps jump topics slightly here - I was not meaning to say that he was incivil in this exchange, but that he was not working in a collaborative manner. You are correct to point out that that is a horse of a different color, but it is still an issue to gaining consensus on the article Gaijin42 (talk) 20:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have to run right now--it was the last three or four on Talk:Gun control before I gave them the warning. The tone of those messages struck me as uncivil, sarcastic, and not conducive, but I do not find that in those recent comments (you'll see that I commented on their talk page, briefly; I had looked at them and then commented again on the gun control article). Your mileage and that of other editors and admins may vary; I generally have a high threshold for such language, and the comments yesterday compared to today fall, for me, on different sides of the fence. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 20:25, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Userfy request
Would it also be possible to have Talk:Apex fallacy userfied as well? Also I am wondering if it would be appropriate to try and incubate these? Ranze (talk) 20:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Done--it's now the talk page of the main one. I don't know anything about incubation, sorry; you'll have to check that at Article Incubator. Drmies (talk) 22:26, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Afreaka!
See this discussion on my talk page. You're the person I go to for an opinion about bands (in this instance a band's album). Even if the album article does have noteworthy material that the band article doesn't have, that could be merged into the band article. The issue is whether the album article is sufficiently notable to stand alone. A fuzzy (sorry) line, to be sure.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:06, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:10, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Newcastle Wildcats
Well thank you for that. Next time you want to say welcome just say 'hello' and then maybe make some suggestions rather than wade in with an axe. A little harsh to just wipe out half a page without perhaps posting something first and giving us a chance to try and sort it out. I'll have to go through a bit of an undo process now and the club's committee can have a think about your comments. IanMelb (talk) 16:15, 4 May 2013 (UTC)IanMelb
 * Sure thing. Please tell the club's committee that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and that information in any article needs to be verified via reference to reliable sources. Moreover, such information needs to rise above the parochial level. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 16:23, 4 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You know what, we're not fussed about the 'stupid flags' or the nicknames, they only made an reappearance because the article had to be resurrected wholesale after you'd gone through and butchered it. You asked for references and we have started to add these (although apparently using the organisation's governing body as a source doesn't seem to cut it for you either). Please try to rise above the petty and understand that folk here are trying their best to develop this in to a reasonable article but everyone has to start somewhere. Guidance rather than censorship/deletion might help you get your point across a little better. IanMelb (talk) 23:15, 4 May 2013 (UTC)IanMelb


 * The above has been referenced to the "Stupid Flags" comment - which is probably the point where it seems that the issue got dragged down to the level where tempers get frayed. IanMelb (talk) 10:25, 5 May 2013 (UTC)IanMelb

Ain't superstitious
Ever since I described out luck in her sleeping despite teething, our daughter has been waking every hour for comfort. Kiefer .Wolfowitz  21:52, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry pal--I hope my invocation didn't bring that on. Our boy is doing well enough. He's almost standing by hisself: time I put the power tools on the higher shelves. Hey, nice row of Marshalls (plexis?) there. Unbelievable that he does all that, and all that with his thumb, basically. But who the hell picks his clothes? (And did you see him do his Saturday Night Live thing a few months ago?) Drmies (talk) 22:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The mention of thumbs raises the stakes.
 * This is my favorite lyrical thumbing of Jeff Beck.
 * I don't know about his stack of Marshalls, but his bass player is cuter than Justin Bieber, and Justin is ... cute. SNL is syndicated in Sweden, but I don't watch it at its time /slash space nexus.
 * Wes Montgomery was famous for picking with his thumb. There is probably a counter-example to every rule of guitar technique. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  07:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow. Beck is truly in a class of his own. He does four things at the same time with his fingers. Drmies (talk) 19:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * BTW, speaking of thumb, do they celebrate Clitoris Awareness Week in Scandinavia? Or is it so cold it's permanently retracted? Drmies (talk) 19:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about the vandalism I did 2 years ago.
Yeah,I still remember the time when I vandalized the cydia page. I was 12 at the time,now I realize that mass vandal can be stressful as I am a rollback on another wiki (Clash Of Clans wikia) I just wanted to apologize and I'm very thankful that you only gave me a warning. M~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.219.64.113 (talk) 19:09, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Hope you're having fun there. Thanks for the note, Drmies (talk) 21:35, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Out of the Grey (The Dream Syndicate album)
Hello! Your submission of Out of the Grey (The Dream Syndicate album) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 23:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Who is this person?
You apparently know User:Biruitorul. Who is this? Weird stuff.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:52, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb, you might enjoy Special:Contributions/89.149.241.202. Uncle G (talk) 13:22, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The SPI is how I found out that Drmies knew Biruitorul. Sometimes it seems like Drmies knows everyone, but every once in a while he bursts his omniscient bubble and says he doesn't know so-and-so.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:53, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no idea, Bbb. Biruitorul and I go back a couple of years, at least to when we had the big stink over a slew articles on relations between countries. I wouldn't say I know him very well, but I know for sure that he's an asset to the project. I've rolled back all the edits I could and I'm going to block them indefinitely for disruption and personal attacks. I wish I had an idea of who it might be: it seems pretty obvious that this is not a new account. Thanks for letting me know. Drmies (talk) 14:21, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Good block, particularly your bases in the block log. I was going to do it, but sometimes morbid curiosity gets the better of me, and I delay to see what will happen next. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 14:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * True, sometimes follow-ups reveal who's behind something, but at the expense of greater disruption. I wish I had a memory like some of these CU and ANI loyals, who pick out a sock and the master's account immediately. Maybe Biruitorul knows. At any rate, there's little more we can do I suppose, except to Stay Vigilant In The Noble Cause Of The Defense Of Our Freedoms, or SVITNCOTDOOF. Drmies (talk) 14:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps what you need is a way to get one of the other participants in that SPI page, one Dennis Brown who might have heard of the word "sockpuppet", to notice that has been linked-to on your talk page.  Can you think of a way to let Dennis Brown know that Dennis Brown has been mentioned here?  Perhaps via some StackExchange number in the corner of Dennis Brown's screen?  We'd have to think of a way to activate such a mechanism.  After all, Dennis Brown is not clairvoyant.  Then Dennis Brown could come here, and both you and Dennis Brown could sit around the hearth and share memories of SPI cases past.  Uncle G (talk) 16:38, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait, when you say Dennis Brown, do you mean THE Dennis Brown? Or is it some unrelated Dennis Brown? Are you talking about this Dennis Brown, that Dennis Brown, or the other Dennis Brown? Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 16:43, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * <(())><    <-- Have a trout.  Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 16:45, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Dennis, did you get an individual notification for every mention? Also, I was slumming this morning and found that IP editors get their orange bar again (if they're templated for vandalism, haha), though it is a different shade. Drmies (talk) 19:13, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No, just the one. It bundles like notifications anyway, like if 4 people leave messages on your talk page, it just leaves one notification saying 4 people have.  I like it.  The trout was for attempted notificide on my person.  ;-)  Oh, they've moved the damn edit button, which is starting to piss me off.  That I don't like. Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 19:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Right! I thought I was getting sick in the head already, or still logged in under one of my many sock accounts with different preferences. That IS irritating. Maybe Writ Keeper can move it back. Drmies (talk) 19:26, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Add to Special:Mypage/common.css the following:  (credit to Writ Keeper).  Ignatz mice•talk 19:28, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't have such a page. Writ Keeper stole it. Drmies (talk) 19:32, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Doesn't work :/ Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 19:48, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Silly Dennis, HTML comments are for kids. (CSS only recognizes the   style of comment). Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:51, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't usually have to comment my CSS codes. Now it works.  Who the hell decided to change the CSS for the whole website that way?  And where did we leave our pitchforks and torches?  Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 19:53, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * And what are you all talking about? Never mind--don't bother explaining. Drmies (talk) 19:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey grandpa, look at User:Dennis Brown/common.css and copy the content over to User:Drmies/common.css. ;) That is the cascading stylesheets for you, no matter which skin you use.  Actually, you can have some fun with that, going to someone else's, changing the color of all text on the website to white, etc. :> Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 20:04, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dennis, that worked for me with one minor modification. I am again a right-winger.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:20, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well now that Dennis Brown is here, we can point Dennis Brown at change to section edit links, so that Dennis Brown can get Dennis Brown's finger on the pulse of current events. Then Dennis Brown can get back to the original subject of the section and help Doktoro with  memory.  &#9786;  Uncle G (talk) 20:07, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Dottore G, it seems to me you spend a lot of time reading the tabloids. DYK that User:Drmies is female on Facebook? Drmies (talk) 20:14, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, Doktoro, I do indeed have a tab open right now with a Times Higher Education Supplement article in it. This is what happens when one reads AN/I; be warned.  My legitimate Wikipedia access goes away again in a matter of hours, by the way.  I had a literary thing all lined up for you lot, too.  Uncle G (talk) 20:28, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I was rather wondering about your userbox concerning your children....  Ignatz mice•talk 20:30, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

That K-pop thing
I call your bluff, Doctor Mies. I shall take your secret to the world! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Damn you. Second time today I got busted. Drmies (talk) 23:15, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hah, that'll teach you to call with a pair of twos! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I know that's a poker joke, but I have no idea what it means. Don't explain that either--it's like css. Drmies (talk) 01:51, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Just enough to say that a pair of twos is (depending on the game you're playing) the hand with the lowest probability of winning (while actually having a chance to win) possible. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That doesn't explain "call". Drmies (talk) 16:19, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * "Call" meaning "I think I know what you have, and I think my hand's better than yours, so show me what you got and let's see." But I don't play poker, so I might be wrong.  Ignatz mice•talk 17:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * More or less. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:24, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Bullying
Is there a warning template specifically for cases of cyber-bullying? I use the vand4im, but it's a bit generic and I would love something else. 69.181.253.230 (talk) 01:01, 7 May 2013 (UTC) "Block their ass", "I'm just an asshole with a grudge", you're not really female are you? That's Dirty Harry level of masculine talk!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  18:50, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the ... series?  Ignatz mice•talk 01:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at that edit, which has now been revert/deleted, the vand4im seems to cover it just fine. It was vandalism, even if it was also something else.  About one more of those edits and it won't matter anyway.  Technically, it was a WP:BLP violation as well.  Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 01:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No, not really. I saw your edit summary, though. And in the end it doesn't really matter. What you could do is add a parameter and put a note in there, but that's more for you than for them, and it doesn't matter to me: one more time and I'll block their ass. Drmies (talk) 01:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. I just hope that there are more admins as wise and observant as you watching for such edit summaries. PS - I think I owe you a beer. ;) 69.181.253.230 (talk) 01:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Haha, wise and observant--I'm just an asshole with a grudge and a block button. Cheers, Drmies (talk) 01:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

YGM
you've got an email .. could be important. Or maybe not. Your call. — Ched : ?  01:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ched. I'm sending you a half pound of Red Moroccan--right? Drmies (talk) 01:35, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Just remember "There is no cabal, there is no cabal". :) — Ched :  ?  01:37, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:17, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * consider yourself so subscribed. — Ched : ?  02:44, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Technicians, please help
Folks, can you settle something for me? I'd finally like to get mass rollback working... Drmies (talk) 03:09, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've never done it myself, but - link — Ched : ?  03:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Here's another mass rollback script—User:Kangaroopower/MRollback.js—but like Ched, I've never used it. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:23, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, shorter is better? But where does this code go? I think we've tried the first one, Ched's link--in fact, I think it was in Boston, with Ed and his teenage sidekicks looking over my shoulders, to no avail. Drmies (talk) 03:25, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

In User:Drmies/vector.js, add a line that says either:
 * importScript('User:John254/mass rollback.js');

or
 * importScript('User:Kangaroopower/MRollback.js');

Then reload the page (instructions at User:Drmies/vector.js) and you should be good to go. When you look at an editor's contribution page, there will be an extra tab, either "rollback all" or "MRollback" (depending on which script you choose). As I said, I haven't tried it yet, but one of these days... — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:51, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Malik. I'm going to give that a try today. The immediate prompt was this section on ANI, Ani. Drmies (talk) 14:04, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

User talk:209.66.192.96
Usually i do put a second/third level warning if i see a history but this being a school is shared with many users so i was not sure if to start with a higher warning helps... Thanks though for letting me know. A.amitkumar (talk) 14:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Identifying proxies
Any idea how proxy servers are identified? There has been a spate of POV-y anon edits at Nair Service Society (plus one from a newly-registered account) and the IPs geolocate as far apart as India, the US and Ireland. The edits are more or less the same and they remove sourced content as well as adding the POV, so I'm pretty sure it is either meatpuppetry or a proxy. The former is hard to prove but the latter may be easy ... if I could only work out how it is done. - Sitush (talk) 15:36, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Noooooo...when I smell the word proxy I ask Elockid. It's well, well above my pay grade. If I knew how proxies worked I'd have rewritten Wikipedia already. Drmies (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought that you were doing, one article at a time. I'll drop a line on Elockid's talk. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * WikiProject on open proxies (WP:OPP) is a good place that has many eyes. Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 16:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that link, Dennis. Another bit of WP that I didn't know existed. - Sitush (talk) 19:52, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Your turn
I've troubled Bbb enough lately, and haven't dropped you a line in a while, so: when you have a moment tell me if you think I was overzealous in my latest reversion at Elisa Gaudet, and if either of the sources are reliable. Regardless, I think it's promotional, and wonder if the IP is related to the previously blocked socks. And hello...hope you're well. 99.136.252.252 (talk) 03:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Of course, it could be that I've been senselessly ignoring a basic guideline. 99.136.252.252 (talk) 03:47, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I expect you to properly verify Johnny Jordaan, then, and to write up Tante Leen. I mean, seriously, that we don't have an article for her is an outrage. Drmies (talk) 04:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm getting worn down by the rampant promotionalism...losing my edge. Yes, Wikipedia is broken when yours truly has an article and Dutch pop stars don't. For a moment yesterday I'm pretty sure one of the dogs didn't recognize me. 99.136.252.252 (talk) 04:35, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, wasn't your copper anniversary televised? Drmies (talk) 05:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Prostitution in Vatican City
As a resident wiki sex worker as you say, interested in contributing to this?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  09:31, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ha, you're trying to get me excommunicated, Ernst. Drmies (talk) 14:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Isn't that very very illegal, in Vatican City? Othervise some 1600 century popes had sons and lovers as well. And the sons were called nephews. Warrington (talk) 14:21, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ernst, the supposed book by Bushby, I'd be very weary about citing it. The only thing that mentions it that I could find (unless the title is incorrect) is this, which is incredibly unreliable. I find no reviews of the book or even mentions of the author in JSTOR, and that's a bad sign for a supposed historian. Ah, here it is: a piece of unreliable tripe. It's published through Nexus (magazine) and falls under the heading of crazy-ass fringe conspiracy stuff. Drmies (talk) 14:26, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * And sorry, but I have little faith in Welsh either. That book also did not receive any reviews that I can find besides this one, "A well-intended but not entirely successful overview of one of Europe’s most turbulent eras". Welsh is a former mining executive from South Africa, whose (allegedly) racist history of South Africe was completely panned--if you have access to JSTOR, look at this. I don't doubt that prostitution happened, but I think one should be very careful with the sources. Hate to bust a bubble. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I Concur with Drmies. Although I wish he would comment on the article talk instead. Blofeld and I are having a debate on these points as we speak. Gaijin42 (talk) 14:46, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw that just a minute ago, Gaijin. I think I'll leave that tete-a-tete to the two of you though I agree with your edits--and not just out of fear for my eternal soul. Drmies (talk) 14:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No need to "concur" or "burst any bubbles", we all agree, and heaven forbid violating WP:FRINGE, whatever would Jerichoman say! Excommunicated? Hey, you have the category on your user page! What has Welsh got to do with this though LOL, I don't even know how to say hello in Welsh... ♦  Dr. ☠ Blofeld  18:43, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The Welsh cited here in note 4. Gay pimping is enough for DYK, I'd say. Drmies (talk) 19:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

The age of consent in the Vatican was reported to be 12 by QI a couple of years ago. It caused a rather mind-boggling discussion. Well, mind-boggling for someone such as me, who has scant knowledge of canon law, Italian law or Latin. I know what our articles say but, really, this is all very confusing. Can priests legally shag someone who is aged 12 or do they have to wait a couple of years? Perhaps more relevantly, given events of recent years involving the church, do they even care what the law says? Should I ask at the Help Desk and sit back as I watch a big fight develop. Makes a Blofeld-like cackle. - Sitush (talk) 20:03, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * LOL, well you could ask the marketing officer of the Vatican, I'm sure he knows...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  20:22, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Regarding the concern that Drmies expresses for his eternal soul, who was it who said something like "Please God, if there is a God, save my soul, if I have a soul." ? I am leaning towards a 20C philosopher but they are not usually known for their wit ... - Sitush (talk) 08:59, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

In an amusing coincidence (the Universe really does like them...) I stumbled across this book on a completely unrelated endeavor (linked from a Cracked.com article discussing dark ages myths). the source goes into some detail about the 12/14 age of consent and its reasons, and other rules surrounding the general age of consent. http://books.google.com/books?id=mHscM7ofx_AC&lpg=PA27&ots=pYScWcRTDw&pg=PA27#v=onepage&q&f=false Gaijin42 (talk) 18:50, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I was doing ok until I misread "Seville" as "Saville" on p. 28 :( I wonder if there might be similarities with the Indian thalikettu and sambandham concepts, eg: see Nair. - Sitush (talk) 18:59, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Chaucer's Wife of Bath could have told you that, Sitush. Saint Elisabeth was engaged at age 3 or 5 or so and shipped off to her future in-laws immediately, the poor girl. I've been making some edits to Aisha--much of the dispute there is about her age when the old prophet plucked her little flower. Nine? Drmies (talk) 12:48, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I was 15 years old when I read The Wife of Bath. I have not been 15 for a very long time. Given my frequent struggles to remember what it is I have entered any given room to fetch, you'll hopefully understand that my chances of remembering what the raucous Wife said are pretty slim. You, of course, are still a spring chicken and can probably remember your first comic book etc. - Sitush (talk) 12:54, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Some say nine others say 15 or 24, pick your choise. No real records. Warrington (talk) 14:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC

Help, before I lose it
I think you recently corresponded with A.amitkumar, so perhaps they'll listen to you. ‎And I could use help on the article that engendered this bullshit. Thanks in advance, 99.136.252.252 (talk) 19:11, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated, Drmies. Really I was going to burst a f'cking capillary. My apologies for distracting you from good work to play traffic cop, but that's the price you pay for being competent. 99.136.252.252 (talk) 19:30, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know if they'll listen to me; maybe I'm yelling too loud. But I'm beginning to lose my patience with this patroller. Pity I can't take Twinkle away: my apologies on behalf of the Registered Accounts of Wikipedia. I blocked the latest account; let me know if I need to look again and block some IPs. Hey, "qb" means quarterback. Google the name, the position, the school, and you'll find a picture. Also, :) Listen to some Johnny Jordaan and you'll feel much better. Drmies (talk) 19:33, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, I've been one of those registered accounts, so don't bother. Great picture above. One day I'm going to amass the reliable sources and write an article about that ale-swiller. 99.136.252.252 (talk) 19:37, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * And I think I know where the orange bar went . 99.136.252.252 (talk) 19:40, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Welllllll... technically speaking, you *can* take Twinkle away. (Technically technically, you can't, but you can get close enough to make no odds.) If, using your magical admin powers, you insert the following code:  into a user's common.css page, it will disable their Twinkle.  (As I said, strictly speaking it doesn't disable it, but it hides all the buttons and onscreen options, which might as well be disabling it. One would still technically be able to access at least some Twinkle functions through direct URL manipulation, but that would be slower than just doing whatever it is manually, so it serves the same purpose as disabling Twinkle altogether.) This is, of course, very against the rules. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:48, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Just keep saying: "There is no cabal, there is no cabal, there is no cabal."  Ignatz mice•talk 19:53, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * GOD Writ Keeper you are fucking smart. Sheesh! Why aren't you making a million dollars yet, instead of pissing your time away here? Seriously, this display of technical mastery is just incredibly impressive--it's like you pulled it out of your PERLy ass this instant. Maybe you did! Hey, why don't you use your magical editor powers to write up Manke Nelis ("mank" means "limp"--he lost a leg after a botched surgery job)? IP99 takes care of Zwarte Riek (she was quite a looker), Uncle G takes Tante Leen ("tante" meaning "aunt", of course). None of those are real real names, all of them are from the Jordaan, and none of them have English sources available (oh, that's the bad part). Chop chop! Drmies (talk) 19:54, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I really appreciate it, but did you have to make me 300 pounds? 99.136.252.252 (talk) 19:56, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * And who needs English sources when we've got Urban Dictionary? 99.136.252.252 (talk) 19:58, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Manke Nelis was a singer and bassist? I like this guy already. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 20:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Good grief, that editor wants to be insulted and will turn anything you say into one. I guess our biggest mistake was being admin. We should be ashamed of that. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:09, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You and Drmies bent over backward. But the reactive behavior had nothing to do with your being admins. It's just the way people sometimes operate when they're called on their actions. 99.136.252.252 (talk) 00:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to raise some kids. Some of this behavior I recognize. Hell, some of my own behavior I understand a lot better now. Speaking of kids, 99, I've been watching this kind of thing with my oldest daughter, and can't keep from crying a single time. You ever have that? WK, the bassist is written up, but he wasn't exactly in the Geddy Lee department, you prog frog. I note that no one else has done their assignment yet.
 * Watching sports. Will respond on all counts shortly. 99.136.252.252 (talk) 01:27, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * End of inning....it's not every day I get to sound like a world-weary hard ass, but that song is treacle to me, and I can't stand Rush. The group or Limbaugh. Since that's very dismissive of me, it's only fair to confess what I listen to; lately this dumb tune has been rolling around here (Ms. 99 loooves it), and the only way I can get it out of my head is with this . So there you are. As for my assignment, I was actually thinking of translating the Dutch version--Black prong, was it?--and creating it here, but to do so I'd need to go all registered, and that would just blow my thin veneer of Wikinymity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.136.252.252 (talk) 01:48, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hearing any Don McLean song makes me want to cry – tears of pain and anguish. First, I find that particular song annoying because it causes people to call the van Gogh painting "Starry, Starry Night", which irritates me. (It may be the same reason that I also find it irritating when people misquote Shakespeare's witches as saying "Bubble, bubble toil and trouble".) But more importantly, hearing any McLean song brings up horrible, horrible memories. I was in the unfortunate position of listening to a McLean Greatest Hits CD. It's... well, I don't want to overuse this word, but... horrible. It's completely unlistenable, and I've certainly never tried again. If those are his greatest hits, I'd really hate to hear his lesser stuff. This was probably ten years ago, and the wounds still seem fresh. The totality of the work is so incredibly bad that it poisoned every song of his for me. Horrible, horrible, horrible. I can't even listen to "American Pie", which is also included on the CD. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  09:09, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Mandarax, you're, a, party, pooper. I didn't say I liked the song, BTW. You know I never cared for Van Gogh until a few years ago? Never went to the museum until we visited Amsterdam with the family in 2010. What a waste. I suppose you had a bad trip while you were listening to that CD--you should ALWAYS get your acid from a trusted supplier. Drmies (talk) 15:53, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You have children to share such loving moments with, which is normal, healthy and beautiful. I feel that way about our two dogs. I recently told Ms. 99 that after them, she's the being I love most. And it's very close. 99.136.252.252 (talk) 01:59, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It works both ways: I would not make the mistake of asking Ms. 99 to choose between the dogs and me. Though I'm glad you've come around on Vincent, I gotta go with Mandarax on McLean, who seems like a decent gent. Just wish he wouldn't make music. Makes me cry, too, but for different reasons. 99.136.252.252 (talk) 20:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Damn, you a cold-ass honky. I've never listened to The White Stripes; that video is giving me a headache--yeah, I have to turn that off. I always confuse them with The Black Keys, which I do listen to (student gave me a mix tape--yeah, she wanted me). Here's the first recording of the tune I just wrote up here. I must be in a sentimental mood. Zwarte Riek was the "princess of the Jordaan"; I'll write her up soon. None of you could possibly get it (where's Randykitty when you need him?), but those names! they are funny as hell. Manke Nelis, Tante Leen, Zwarte Riek--even typing them is funny. Haven't even mentioned Corry en de Rekels (rekel! you can't even say that word anymore without thinking of De Film van Ome Willem!) or Arno en Gradje (though that's kind of sad, I suppose--they're like little birds without feathers and boots that got caught in the rain), or Duo Jan & Mien. Wait! Zangeres Zonder Naam has no article?? Drmies (talk) 03:36, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This kitten is at the airport getting ready for a transatlantic flight... Can't believe that ZZN is a redlink! Zwarte Riek, is that the one who sang "Zwarte Lola" ("Oh opa, wat zit ik nou hard!")? Or was that a different singer named the same as the song? I still remember how upset my grandmother was with her ("slechte wereldse vrouw") and how much she liked ZZN ("goede vrouw, die doet veel goeds"!) Do Gert en Hermien have an article? There's a saucy one waiting for an editor! --Randykitty (talk) 06:16, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * "Zangeres. Mag geen naam hebben." (Komrij, Horen, zien en zwijgen.) Are you flying this way? Hope you brought your swimming trunks: it's lovely here this time of year. "Zwarte Lola", that's Annie Heuts, a Belgian lady. The Dutch wiki has an article on her, and to show you where that places you, the only "reference" it has is a dead link to blog.seniorennet.be. Drmies (talk) 15:53, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * "Nope, much farther North, to Halifax NS (writing this from Toronto airport). Nice city, climate not too bad, and I'm hooking up with two really good friends there, so besides work, it should be fun. Actually, the work should be fun, too: we're planning to write an article with as working title "we don't know what we're doing". The final title may be different, but who knows, these guys have humor and we may keep it (one of them once described mouse fighting behavior (in a scientific article!) as "fearsome feats of furry fervor" and in another one innocently stated "we greased the box with Vaseline" (this was in the seventies, I think). Of course, he was talking about a mouse-behavior testing box and greased it to avoid the animals from climbing out... ;-) --Randykitty (talk) 17:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Break for a budding artist

 * Well, as penance for missing my virtually impossible homework assignment, I've taken a gander at Unca Scrooge G's excellent User:Uncle_G/Missing_encyclopaedic_articles and have selected Cathreim Thoirdhealbhaigh to begin work on. As usual, I'll probably rely on you to do all the heavy JSTOR lifting, but Google Books and some other things has given me enough of a base to work on for now.  I'm good for more than fairly useless programming party-tricks and crude MSPaint doodles to furnish the user pages of my sock drawer, I promise! Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:21, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, there he is, the cutest eldritch abomination you'll ever see. I've started the draft at User:Writ Keeper/Cathreim Thoirdhealbhaigh, in case anyone wants to peruse it; it's still very rough, and I need to figure out some inconsistencies with naming and dates. I will more than likely need some help on it before it's done. On the plus side, though, it's already only one character short of the DYK requirement! (Though I'm actually not sure I'm going to apply for one; nothing strikes me as a decent hook yet, and after reading some really lame hooks, I've promised myself I won't try for a DYK without a solid one.) Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:25, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Drmies, you need to spend a long weekend listening to Detroit rock & roll. Start with the MC5 and the Psychedelic Stooges played at top volume for hours on end. Progress through the decades to the White Stripes after stopping off at innumerable bizarre variants. Then you will be prepared to transform Goose Lake International Music Festival into a good article.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  07:22, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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It was called nepotism, and it is interesting when people say one thing and do something else. Warrington (talk) 11:16, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * What did I do this time, Warrington? :) Drmies (talk) 23:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Nothing, :), it is not you, it is the pope... Warrington (talk) 11:16, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Taking Sides in Closing Administrator's Noticeboard Incidents
You wrote: "Uncle G has pointed out the way forward, pace Bloodofox's complaint. Uncle G is so old that he's experienced every single topic on the wiki, personally. Also, I don't know how we ban an IP. Drmies (talk) 04:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)" I'm sorry, do you have any background in this topic—enough to be able to give Uncle G that level of leverage? I don't appreciate the sarcasm (if it was intended as such), and if you had a comment to make, it would have been appropriate to add to the discussion rather than in your closing summary. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 20:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course I'm taking sides: I'm the administrator closing the discussion. I have read the discussion, I have read the article and the other article, I have worked with Uncle G for quite some time, and it is obvious from his comments on the talk page that he knows what he's talking about. No sarcasm was intended--but we don't "ban" IPs and your questioning Uncle G's competence wasn't very nice, to put it mildly. It was clear that no action was going to be taken against the IP pursuant that discussion. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * G is obviously not particularly familiar with this debate. Unloading after doing a basic Google search may impress some unfamiliar with the topic, but for the rest of us it is unhelpful and unwise. The talk page makes the negatives of this approach clear. G has also repeatedly accused me of wanting to maintain a "status quo" without looking at the talk page history, where I did no such thing. I have in the past tagged the page for improvements, and my discussion of the problematic editor has nothing to do with the needed improvements on the page. This is doubly unwise. By bumbling into the talk page without adequate background on both the topic and article history, G is essentially enabling the IP who is continuing to accuse other editors of being "retards" and "neo-Nazis" on the Kurgan hypothesis talk page. Your comments were inappropriate and unhelpful. In the future I highly suggest relying less on your familiarity with other editors and putting more weight more on article histories. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 01:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's very clear that Uncle G did not condone the editor's behavior. I also don't believe that Uncle G "bumbles" into anything. Thank you for your suggestion, though. Drmies (talk) 05:08, 10 May 2013 (UTC)