User talk:Drovethrughosts/Archive 7

Creative director / production designer
I noticed you removed "creative_director = Mark Hutman" from the infobox on Blood & Oil as "incorrect parameter use". According to the, this is for "the show's creative director", and following up on Creative director, it says "The creative director in the film industry is referred to as the production designer." Now, Mark Hutman is certainly the production designer of Blood & Oil, but he is not the creative director? –Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 22:13, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I've never seen "creative director" used in the infobox for TV shows, because "creative director" is not a title actually held by someone, at least in fictional series, to the best of my knowledge. It is production designer, and that's what they're credited as. It also looks quite odd in the infobox, where you have someone who is the production designer listed so high in the infobox, just below the creator and above more notable roles such as the cast and executive producers. This is a good topic of discussion for Template:Infobox television, that "creative_director" should be changed to "production_designer" in the infobox and then moved into the "Production" portion of the infobox, along with other similar crew roles. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree there are no "creative directors" in TV credit. So your answer is basically, this parameter should never be used the way it is now.
 * Can the template documentation be changed to say "do not use this parameter", instead of linking it parameter to an article that says creative director = production designer? –Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would say the parameter is being used incorrectly used the way it is; I also believe I removed one instance of that parameter being used for the showrunner. But, like I said, this would need to be brought up at the talk page on Template:Infobox television for this change to be made as the template is locked from being edited and would need consensus for the change. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:51, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Mr Robot
I'm written to a few people who have contributed to the discussion on Mr Robot in the hope of getting more opinions on my proposed edit. If you either support or oppose, or have other suggestions, please feel free to contribute here. Hzh (talk) 22:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Rating rounding
Why are you so against rounded ratings? I could name plenty of Syfy, TNT and a whole host of other shows that have its ratings rounded that have rated under a million. You only have to see the Beauty and the Beast CW page. I'm asking since you've reverted me twice now on The Leftovers page and I find it confusing. I'm happy to leave as it is, but I edited the page in good faith. 86.15.195.121 (talk) 23:18, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * From pages I edit, cable series with viewership under one million, it's preferable to show three decimal places. That's what the sources have, and it's more informative for shows with low viewership. How I look at it: a network show with a rating of 7.13 is three digits of information, the same as 0.713 (because the 0 does not count). If you're happy to leave it, then please do. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:32, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks for the explanation. Just I noticed quite a few pages were rounded before I started editting here and thought that was the way things were. I'm assuming that there's no general rule on this, but more a case of what contributors to a page universally agree to use. I'll respect that. Sorry for any trouble. 86.15.195.121 (talk) 23:36, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your understanding. Happy editing. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:41, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
 Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 23:50, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Supernatural prodcodes
Hi,

I noticed that you regularly add new eps to the list sourced from futon critic and you may have notice that the last digit of the futon numbering matches the warner prodnum, so we don't need to wait til the ep airs to add the number. I added the future ones based on this detail, however a editor with the username Alex seems to think that these unaired prodnums have to have sources and that those sources must list it as verbatim. I was wondering if you agree with this or not? As there is nothing that states that prodnums must have refs. Also the only main and constant source is the copyright slate of a warners, fox or occasional foreign show would make it difficult or even impossible to include them for all shows.

So if you agree could you reinstate them as I am currently avoiding any articles said users takes control of. helmboy 00:44, 9 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, I understand where you're coming from. I've been a visitor of The Futon Critic for a long time and the production numbers there always match the actual production codes. It's clear that for Supernatural, The CW lists the production numbers in the press releases, because why would the season premiere be listed as "1102" and not "1101", and we already knew that the premiere wasn't actually filmed first. I get that once we know the first code, we can match all the others via the press releases. But, that editor that is reverting you seems to be very strict on the "everything must be sourced" policy, which is fine; but in this case, what is being added is not wrong or has ever been wrong in the past by using this method. I agree with you, but I have no doubt I'd just be reverted for the same reasons. Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:22, 9 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Would you agree that the "everything must be sourced" policy is rather limiting for TV show articles given the fact that a lot of info is restricted to only members of the press and broadcasters that have access to login required sites that require users to obey the restrictive terms of their user agreements? Also the sourcing policy was originally only a requirement that academics created to legitimize the validity of print only encyclopedias as well as college theses and editors that want to apply it to every piece of info on this site are severely hurting the Wikipedia informal slogan as a "source of all human knowledge."  It's this kind of limited and enforced thinking that drives editors like myself to other more friendly wiki sites like TVIV.  It's a shame more editors don't standup to this kind of bully based editing.  PS, on the topic of rating figure rounding, I believe that some editors enforce the two decimal rounding only because zap2it stupidly round their broadcast figures to that unlike showbuzzdaily and others who leave them unrounded for the nielson source figures.  Also it is stupid to round figures that are derived from such small sample groups such as the nielsons. helmboy 23:08, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

The West Wing
Hi, thanks for looking over and fixing up some of the bits on the West Wing's character section. That table has been bugging me for ages! I noticed your comment about Elmo, and thought since you didn't get the reference you might enjoy this.
 * 

--Unframboise (talk) 21:02, 11 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, great work on that! I do remember Elmo was featured in an episode, but it just seemed really odd and random to mention, since there is no context. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:06, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

The Walking Dead
I can't believe there was about 25 minutes of commercials in that episode!! I also didn't know that the length on Wikipedia didn't include commercials. I looked on AMC and the episode is actually 66 minutes long (1 hr 5 min, 58 seconds). Would you be against using AMC's website as a source for the length?  ḾỊḼʘɴίcả •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  21:35, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you can change it, I guess the version I checked online to verify the episode length did not have the end credits. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:05, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Drovethrughosts, Thanks for reverting, I was actually attempting to fix the cite issue but quite honestly I have no idea what the hell I done, Anyway thanks for spotting the error :), Cheers, – Davey 2010 Talk 14:30, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem. I can understand the confusion though, as there was two Variety citations with the same ref name (which was a problem). Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:09, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ahh right yeah they were different cites, I thought they were the same that's why I was confused with your reversion .... Now it all makes sense, My god if there was an "Idiot of the year" award I'd win every bloody time , Anyway thanks again & Happy editing. – Davey 2010 Talk 22:22, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

You're right...
I should cite references properly. My apologies. --StewieBaby05 (talk) 13:21, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Breaking bad
How are you so sure it is a hoax? NBC, a reputable news company wrote about this. Wouldn't they get into a lot of trouble for printing something like this if it was not really true? Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 22:12, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I suggest looking at the website a bit more carefully and the types of "articles" that they post. Their website is nbc.com.co not NBC.com (and NBC has nothing to do with Breaking Bad). Again, it's a hoax posted by some junk website. It's run by Paul Horner, who notoriously writes fake or hoax articles. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:21, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. There are no legal laws that prevent them from publishing rubbish like that? How can they write complete you know what, and get away with it, fooling millions of people what they perceived to be true? Do you think Braking Bad cares that they published a fake story about them, or do you think it actually helped its publicity? Even so with NBC.co having nothing to do with the actual NBC, the average person wouldn't have picked up on that and would have thought it was the real NBC... Again, couldn't NBC take legal action against them as it would be tarnishing their name? Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 12:51, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

AHS: Hotel - Recurring cast
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_Horror_Story:_Hotel#Recurring_and_Guest I would really apprecite you voicing your opnion on this matter. THANK YOU! LLArrow (talk) 19:21, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Fargo (the series) userbox?
You betcha! —  Wylie pedia  11:02, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks bud, I just added it! Drovethrughosts (talk) 17:17, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

file:Orange Is the New Black Title Card.jpg
Please do not remove the tag again. If you want to dispute the deletion proposal, use instead. --George Ho (talk) 10:40, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I disputed it. I fail to see the issue. Intertitles are common place when it comes to infoboxes for main articles and it's listed in MOS:TV. Why single out this one, when there's hundreds (thousands) of other articles... Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:58, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I did ask Masem. He said that it is replaceable. Also, there is a free logo. He can explain better than I can about the background (prison, fence, clouds, wires), which is not discussed by sources and may not reflect critical commentary. --George Ho (talk) 17:00, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Meh, whatever, delete it then. I'm just one of those people that thinks the policy on non-free images is a bit crazy. I mean what, is Netflix or Lionsgate going to sue Wikipedia because there's a 260 x 146 px image of the title card on here. I'm not being serious, it's a sarcastic comment. But, again, whatever. Have a nice day. Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:23, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I was gonna ask you whether you read WP:NFCC, but that won't matter. I barely think reading WP:public domain and WP:five pillars would help matters, but they are worth reading anyway. George Ho (talk) 19:39, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand the policies, I just have different views. There's a difference between littering an article with a dozen non-free images for decoration vs. one image where its use is quite commonplace (a title card for a TV series in the infobox), but I digress. It doesn't matter. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:13, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Article Redirects
Hello. I noticed that you redirected the page Always Accountable until the actual airing of the episode. However, one of the pages I left as a simple redirect, Now ended up being deleted without any notice and recreated by another user. Silver Buizel · Pages Created How does a user prevent their redirects from being deleted by other users, and can anything be done to restore the original creation of the page I made? Have a good day! Silver Buizel (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Funny, I was just going to post on your talk page regarding creating these redirects. I don't know the answer to your question because I don't know what happened there, but you should have been notified and what was done was wrong given an article was already created. However, I was going to ask you not create redirects until episode titles have been confirmed by reliable sources (as in AMC, not spoiler websites). I feel you did this last season, and we were left with redirects for episodes that don't exist. The same thing has happened this year with Attacked (The Walking Dead), Locked Inside and The Bullet (The Walking Dead), which are not episodes of The Walking Dead. It would be helpful if you requested their deletion (and if there's others I'm missing), please look here Template:Db-g7. Thank you. Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:45, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello. Per your request, I have attached several of the speedy deletion templates to the erroneous redirects mentioned in your above post. I will also exercise more discretion with future redirects of episodes revolving the aforementioned television series. Have a good day! Silver Buizel (talk) 19:19, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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ratings
I see that you reverted some of my edits for ratings. ShowBuzzDaily are the same ratings as TVByTheNumbers. Marty2Hotty (talk) 18:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't revert your edits, I simply changed the reference. TV by the Numbers is the preferred source. Plus I fixed the errors in the references you left: here you put the wrong link, and here and here you put the wrong article title. Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:48, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!
To You and Yours! LLArrow (talk) 18:59, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

3 Digit Viewership Numbers
Hey, before I continue doing this, I want to make sure you're on board, since you do a lot with ratings also. For shows with viewership that is consistently below 1m viewers, it is preferable to add a third digit after the decimal point in the episode table correct? I've tried to do this on a number of pages, and recently I just finished House of Lies, Episodes, Girls, Wilfred, The League, and quite a number of others. Is the new standard we should move to? Rswallis10 (talk) 00:22, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Adding the third digital for shows under one million seems to be like something I started (or maybe I'm wrong), so I agree with doing that. Drovethrughosts (talk) 00:25, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi, clarification please
I noticed you keep reverting edits to Branch Wars (The Office) if the edits state the episode as being the 6th in season 4. You change it to say it's the 10th. My question is, why? The explanation you give is hour-long episodes are counted as two episodes. I cannot find anywhere in either WP policy or guidelines stating this way of counting episodes is how it's done. After delving a bit into sources, most places from IMDb to Netflix says it is the 6th episode. The show has several hour-long episodes but doesn't count them as two. Some of the time, they've had episodes in two parts, clearly labeled as being either part 1 or 2. Not every hour-long episode is one of two parts, however. Can you verify where you've read that this episode is in fact the 10th, and not the 6th as sources say? If not, I think the label of 6th episode of season 4 is what the article should say, to avoid confusion and reflect reliable sources. Thanks! Ongepotchket (talk) 12:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Please look at List of The Office (U.S. TV series) episodes or any of the season articles for the consistency in the numbering. These are the correct episode numbers. IMDB or Netflix are irrelevant. Yes, every hour-long is two episodes and they are counted by two by the production, because The Office is a half-hour show. The press release for "Branch Wars" is listed as "4010" (season 4, episode 10). Another example is "Company Picnic" is the 100th episode, which again, is consistent with the numbering. The series has a total of 201 episodes , again consistent with the numbering. IP editors just love to mess with the episode numbers in certain episode articles, because more than likely, they're watching it on Netflix, which has different numbers (because they merge certain hour-longs into one "episode", thus, changing the numbering). Hopefully you understand. I've been editing The Office-related articles for years on here, it's correct, trust me. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the prompt reply. I imagine it does get a lot of pushback from confused IP editors, but I myself will leave it be. Ongepotchket (talk) 04:18, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Prison Break
Could you please lock it? Often vandals... --Obsuser (talk) 06:49, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't lock it. If you believe the article needs page protection, you can request it here. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:40, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I’ll give it a try. Thanks. --Obsuser (talk) 00:16, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks!

 * Thank you so much! Your compliments are very appreciated, especially coming from you, since you're a such a high-quality editor. You've done incredible work as well, including all the various Office and X-Files articles that you've made GA or FA. I remember when I started watching X-Files for the first time near the end of 2011, and it was right around the time you and Grapple X began doing major overhauls of all the episodes articles and it was joy to see those articles become so great. I'm actually in the midst of an X-Files rewatch (on Blu-ray!), starting season 6 soon. Thanks again! Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, you got the blurays? I'm super jealous. It's nice to see The X-Files finally en vogue. Now all our hard work will have a much wider audience, which is really cool to think about.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   23:25, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

X-Files miniseries/season 10 production codes
Hi, could you provide a source for the 1AYW0[1-5] production codes for the new X-Files episodes? The only source I can find, Futon Critic, uses different codes - XF-100[1-5]. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 18:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The production codes are in the end credits of the episodes. Fox usually provides "promotional" production codes for its episodic press releases, for whatever reason. So, XF-1005 = 1AYW05 (as confirmed with the episode), and so forth. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:09, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Bones (season 11)
Regarding this edit summary, the problem is the the sources do not meet the requirements of reliable sources. If you look at the instructions for cite tweet, which is used in the citation, you will see the following banner:

The twitter source is not a verified account. It is considered to be a self-published source and is not acceptable as a reliable source. Per WP:TWITTER, Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities. Since the episode information is not specifically about the owner of the Twitter account, it cannot be used as a source for the episode. For the record, I've raised this matter at [{WP:RSN]]. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 04:59, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The source is Emily Silver, a writer for Bones, how would she not be an acceptable source? We've been using her Tweets for upcoming episodes for this entire season (of which, every piece of information has been correct, well why wouldn't it be?) So why is there suddenly a problem now? There's nothing in WP:SPS or WP:TWITTER that conflicts with is. Given she actually works for the shows, posts pictures of script pages, being on set, in the writers room, etc. This isn't some random person posting "scoop" of unverified upcoming episodes, this is a writer from the show, clearly she's an "expert in her field" and "there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity". The account is not verified, that's usually for bigger celebrities; but that does mean the information is not correct or cannot be used. Again, she's a writer for Bones! She's followed on Twitter by 13k people, including verified accounts such as Hart Hanson (Bones creator), Bones actor John Boyd, the Finding Carter official Twitter (MTV series she created), and the official Bones Twitter account, and probably more (I stopped looking once I found the Bones Twitter). I think we're good here. Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:51, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * As I've already explained, the problem is that the Twitter account is not a verified account. Anyone can create a Twitter account. Remember, any editor must be able to verify a claim, not just fans of a TV series. Because the average editor can't verify that the account is actually that of the person who it claims to be, it can't be used as a source. You are incorrect to state that WP:SPS doesn't conflict with your belief. WP:SPS says Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs (as distinguished from newsblogs, above), content farms, Internet forum postings, and social media postings, are largely not acceptable as sources. It goes onto say that Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. In order to cite this Twitter account you need verifications in reliable third-party publications that this account is owned by the person you claim it to be. Wikipedia editors are not free to argue that the account is fine - that's original research. You need the claim backed up with reliable sources. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 16:43, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks
Made that mess at OITNB editing in a hurry ha. Lapadite (talk) 14:18, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. Always happy to help! Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:19, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello

 * Hey there, nice to meet you. I definitely agree with your changes, it's notable and important to mention that he turns the switch on again. For reality shows, I just watch Survivor and Amazing Race (even though TAR has been a bit stale the past several years and this season's theme is bit annoying). I usually don't venture into the season articles for those shows nor or they on my watchlist, I just try and keep the main series articles for them somewhat tidy. Happy editing! Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:48, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Attribution
Please remember the attribution when you cut & paste from one article to another:
 * Regards, Bazj (talk) 22:00, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Regards, Bazj (talk) 22:00, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Vinyl broadcast in Italy
May I add that episodes of Vinyl are shown *in English* in Italy simultaneously to the transmission in the US? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metamatica (talk • contribs) 16:19, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Television infobox
Hey, I don't know if its just me or not, but I think there's something wrong with the television infobox template. Please look at Deadwood, American Crime, and Underground as three examples. For some reason, the show title on the top of the box is in a small font, all the way to the left, and all of the categories in the infobox (Production, Release, External Links) are all the the left as well (rather than centered). This only happens for pages that have been recently edited (It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia for example isn't like that). Is this some new change I wasn't made aware of, or is something screwy? Rswallis10 (talk) 22:23, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, something must be messed up, but I'm not sure where because the television episode infobox template is also affected (Knots Untie), and neither of those templates have had any recent changes. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:52, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

The Lead Wolf name confirmed
I don't know why you are against revealing the wolf's name, but her is a source that I found that reveals the wolf's name IS Owen that I have already sourced for The walking Dead articles. http://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/14/walking-dead-midseason-premiere-no-way-out-scott-gimple/2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.94.65 (talk) 16:08, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not, I'm against the persistent addition of unsourced content (WP:V) as this isn't a fansite. After constantly readding the information without any source (or a proper one), you used this which still had no mention of "Owen". The burden (WP:BURDEN) is on you to provide actual citations that supports what you're adding. You finally added this, which is the correct link. Gimple mentions the name "Owen", but it's definitely not an official name as he says, "I'd say at one point his name was Owen" and "but I never really settled on a name because I never had to." "Owen" is never used or said on-screen, so using the name in a plot summary is confusing. He was never credited with that name, it was either "Wolves Leader" or "W Man". I added the mention of "Owen" here as a comprise. Hopefully you can be satisfied with that. Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:00, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

The Walking Dead Main Page
I was wondering if it would be ok to add Gilliard, McDermitt, Serratos, Masterson, Gilliam, West, Breckenridge, Marquand, Nichols, and Feldshuh to the starring part of the infobox. I know that it says not too but they are all series regulars. I think we should list them underneath the Opening credited stars and move them up as they appear in the opening credits if they ever do. But we do keep them in credited order as they move up.
 * Per an earlier discussion here, it was decided to leave out the "also starring" regulars from the infobox as the cast list is big enough as it is. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:14, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Viewership
Hi there! I'm only reverting the thousands edits due to the other articles in ratings, who don't use the thousands. I don't know when it started or if it's listed on a policy here on Wikipedia. I'm not trying to be disruptive, rude, etc, I was just going by what I saw. I wanted to talk here so that way I know why not to revert next time. Vmars22 (talk) 01:53, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It's become more common and is generally accepted to include all three decimal places for shows with viewership under one million. Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:01, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Alright, won't revert anymore. Vmars22 (talk) 14:17, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Fargo (Season 1) - Gold Derby TV Awards
Hey, do you consider right to leave Martin Freeman's Performer of the Year nomination and Allison Tolman's Breakthrough Performer of the Year nomination as part of the Fargo awards? I'm asking that because these nominations aren't directly related to the show. If you open the reference link you'll see they don't specify the TV show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivien Harmon (talk • contribs) 04:41, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't really have a problem with it, as obviously Fargo is part of the reason they were nominated for those awards. If you don't have an issue with it, I'd say leave it. Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:58, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok then! I don't have a problem with it, so it will stay. Thanks for answering! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivien Harmon (talk • contribs) 04:26, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (season 2)
Calling Danny Devito a "veteran actor" is not peacock language by any stretch. The section of the MOS you quoted states that editors should use facts rather than "unprovable proclamations about a subject's importance", and this is precisely what I did. Devito's 40 year career makes him a veteran actor by anyone's definition; this is verifiable information with reliable sources added. This is important; the series wouldn't have survived beyond its first season without the addition of a recognizable veteran actor to the cast. See [this link]. The inclusion of the term "veteran actor" is quite important. 156.57.246.102 (talk) 22:22, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you willing to discuss? 156.57.246.102 (talk) 19:34, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

You're Welcome!
I was appalled by the plagiarism. --Drmargi (talk) 14:30, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I was literally just in the process of redirecting with the same reason of plagiarism from the wikia. It needed a thanks. Keep up the good work! Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:33, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Talking Dead
Why did you remove the episodes from the episode page I revised. The list of episodes on the main page was getting too long.S hannon434 (talk) 19:33, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * We only split articles when it's necessary. Please see WP:SIZERULE. The episode list basically makes up the entire article anyway, to remove it and put it in a separate article isn't very useful. Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:40, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

WP:SPLIT
Hello Drovethrughosts. I see that you just split out List of Bloodline episodes from Bloodline (TV series). It's important when you do this that you follow the instructions at WP:SPLIT, especially WP:CORRECTSPLIT, carefully, as attribution to the original article must be clearly spelled out under WP:CWW. Just so you know! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Rephrasing
Why is this form being forced? Why do you have to rephrase almost every single entry on any Prison Break related article?

I ask because I've seen the main article's history, as well other related ones', and whenever someone updated info you came to rephrase it as some kind of a protector. Why is this happening?

You can correct only spelling errors but you cannot claim your way to tell something is more correct than other one's i.e. you cannot be rephrasing anything if there's no need to.

Note: He was not recovered, he is recovering. Filming was not interrupted, filming is not interrupted [as it is ongoing; or, at least, both is correct so no need to go for any action].--Obsuser (talk) 19:00, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Preacher
Hey there, Drovethrughosts ^_^

I'll make sure I don't carry on with the issues in the first article. But out of curiosity, regarding the multiple duplicate references; how would one solve that issue if using more than one link? --Bartallen2 (talk) 12:54, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Any exact same reference that is used more than once should use a ref name, then when you use it any other time, you just use the ref name instead of the full reference. See WP:REFNAME. Does that help you? Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:05, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!
Thank you! Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:48, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

May wish to check s04 episode summaries of Orphan
Summaries for e01 and e10 are all that appear, and are far too long, and hyperbole-/puffery-filled. Tagged section, and highlighted prose I thnk should go, but leave it to regulars like you to decide. 50.129.227.141 (talk) 05:59, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Mr. Robot
Thanks for catching the two additional recurring characters. They haven't been mention in any previous press, and I didn't notice them on the latest release. I kept thinking that it seemed odd that they wouldn't be part of Season 2. --Drmargi (talk) 15:22, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. In case you're wondering, this was the press release that mentioned them. Can't wait for season 2, looks like it's going to be incredible! Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:07, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. All the PR media is a ton of fun, too.  --Drmargi (talk) 12:07, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * BTW, I moved Acker before Shahi on POI in the infobox. Acker's always been listed before Shahi in the infobox (as far as I know), but not in the cast section (I can't remember why that was done that way), but I moved Acker so she's before Shahi in both spots. I double-checked the season 3 premiere and Acker is always billed before Shahi (Shahi gets the "with" credit). Just wanted to clarify. ;) Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:44, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Human Target
Thank you for explaining your edit, but in the future, please do that the first time so there is no confusion. Also remember that you can edit the Wikidata entry yourself to fix the problem, though I've gone ahead and done it for Human Target. Thanks! — Huntster (t @ c) 14:56, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

FLC for GoT season 1
I've nominated Game of Thrones season one for FLC here. If you're available to help fix identified issues, that would be helpful and appreciated, since you've been a major contributor to that article in the past. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 23:18, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll be taking a look at it later day as I noticed a bunch of references were added (particularity to the accolades section) and it looks like they need to be fixed because they're either poorly formatted or incomplete. Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:50, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

The Making of the Mob
Hey, DTG! I need an objective uninvolved television opinion. AMC is about to air The Making of the Mob: Chicago, which is a relative of The Making of the Mob: New York but only in name, it seems (like a step-brother or cousin by marriage). Both seem to be a docu-series, despite New York article calling it a miniseries, which to me seems like a one-and-done tag rather than a serial, although American Horror Story and Fargo toy each season as a mini.

My question: should there be a TMOTM main article with all the trappings of an episode list and separate season mentions, or should just Chicago be created and linked in relation to New York and vice versa? (Chicago starts in a week.) I'm also uninvolved, but just wondering. Once Chicago is started, I won't keep tabs on it. Thanks! (Would also like to add that AMC.com has no further mention of New York.) —  Wylie pedia  06:41, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey there! I would say it's one series with New York and Chicago being separate seasons, per, , and official sources like and  . With that, I'd move the article The Making of the Mob: New York to The Making of the Mob and create a redirect for The Making of the Mob: Chicago. If there were sufficient content (beyond just basic plot and cast info), it could definitely be two separate articles. Also, do the episodes have writing/directing credits? If so, they should be added to the episode list and taken of the infobox, because the infobox is really long (same goes for those plot summaries, wow). Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:48, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't watch the show, but I assume it is like The American West and has a pool of writers with one director. Not all write on each episode until their time. That's why New York has so many listed in the cast section. AMC used to list cast and crew with their episode recaps until they retooled their website. Right now, I don't see any listings anywhere, except IMDb. So I may just do a main page then a separate episode list, unless the second season loses the verbose summary writers. —  Wylie pedia  13:38, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Main article started. No rush to start Chicago nor the episode list page though... —  Wylie pedia  03:30, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Hacking Robot
I think you're right: Hacking Robot should be split off into its own table. We should probably look at how Talking Dead or Talking Bad are done. Six days!!! --Drmargi (talk) 19:56, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it should probably get its own subsection, under "Specials". New summer TV has been pretty baron for me this year, since so many shows that usually air during the summer have been delayed to fall or futhur; so I'm eagerly awaiting its return. I am however, rewatching BSG! Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:21, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * BSG will cover it nicely. Summer has been bad aside from Major Crimes.  Shooter at least looks promising, and MR will be insane. Get the section hot Hacking set up and I'll take a peek. --Drmargi (talk) 21:43, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Hey, buddy. I moved Sakina Jaffrey back to Season 1 and noted her as a guest for S2 on Mr. Robot (TV series). She only appeared in one scene this season, and that was seemingly to resign Angela's case after Angela refused to quit her job with E Corp. If we see her again, we can always move her back up, but I haven't seen any publicity that suggests she's to recur. --Drmargi (talk) 18:06, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I just thought it made sense, given she has in appeared season 2. But I guess that's fine. Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:49, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Horace and Pete
I'm sure you probably watch this page, but just to make sure I'm here to let you know I started a new section about the section 10 writing credit. 99.192.78.222 (talk) 01:23, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Some falafel for you!
No problem, always happy to help. What you're doing is quite admirable, rewritting all those summaries, and for the better. Keep up the great work! Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:22, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Geeking Out page.
Thanks for reviewing the Geeking Out wikipedia page! I'm assuming everything is up to snuff because it doesn't look like anything was altered. Again, thanks for the edits! Npamusic (talk) 19:51, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

I do not change things for no reason.
I resent anyone who undoes my well-intentioned edits on episode lists, all because I have a fascination with crossovers. I just think it's better for crossover episodes to have an extra sentence under the paragraph for summary notating the shared narrative with other series. --TVBuff90 (talk) 12:41, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That's nice that you have a fascination with crossovers, but that's a good rationale. It's an arbitrary change, because we don't need to split up a three sentence summary into two paragraphs. Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:45, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Drovethroughghosts you keep instantly discarding my information. How do you expect me to reference so fast?! I have all the required information but you won't give me a chance!!! Nivesh500 (talk) 23:24, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi there...
Thought you might like to contribute your two-cents worth to | this talk page disscussion. LLArrow (talk) 22:03, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Notice of discussions regarding updates to MOS:TV
This is just a notification to a series of discussions that are taking place regarding updates to MOS:TV, given you participated in the discussion and/or expressed interest in the discussion seen here. You can find more information about the initiative and the discussions, here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Hey
Thanks for the awesome work you've done! :) KitchenSisters. (talk) 21:29, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late response. But, thank you very much! Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:35, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Clarification on complete revert?
Hi!

Can you be specific about your revert on my entire edit on the Penny Dreadful page - which consisted almost entirely of additional intra Wikipedia references with a great deal of depth on material relevant to the development of the show? Forgive me, it's my first edit and I don't understand.

As I understand the process, it is meant to be iterative and collaborative. --Eloissat (talk) 00:51, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It's all WP:OR with no WP:V. You have to properly source all the content you added. Sorry, should have made a better edit summary. Drovethrughosts (talk) 11:44, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

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American Crime season two
Hello Drovethrughosts,

I am working with a class of students on adding new summaries and information for season two of American Crime (TV series). Last Tuesday two of us were teaching these students how to add Wikipedia content. Next Tuesday we have a session planned to add this new content. When you have time would you advise as to what we need to do to make sure these pages do not get deleted? There was one mention of title format issue. All these episodes go by their episode number as their titles. Is there something else we should do?

Also yesterday I added our basic episode template and started to add episode information. It was deleted later that evening. Could you advise as to what we need to do? So that these pages remain and people can comment on or change them. thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wsuklarson (talk • contribs) 19:21, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi there. I suggest familiarizing yourself with MOS:TV, and specifically the sections regarding creating articles for TV episodes. Articles must be a balance between plot and real-world information, such as critical reception, ratings, and production information and be properly cited by reliable sources (WP:RS). Naming seems to be a bit tricky due to the somewhat untitled nature of them, but just name them what they are; so, Season Two: Episode One, etc. Looking at the draft article for the first episode, I notice there's references, but are they sources that comment on American Crime specifically or just rape in general? I highly suggest working on these episode in the draft namespace (WP:DRAFTS) for now, so you'll have no fear of having them deleted. I'm a frequent editor of TV show articles, so when one of the episode articles is complete, I can gladly give it a look and see what might need improvement. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:44, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Handlers
OK, so wouldn't "original" and "subsequent" be better epithets than "second" and "first"? And is there any reason the order can't be changed to make it more intuitive for readers? Tony  (talk)  13:40, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You can change the wording if you think it could be more clear. I was merely reverting the change because it was incorrect. But yes, I can understand how the current phrasing could be confusing. Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

GoT Season 1
One of the FLC reviewers critiqued the lead length as too short. Do you have anything else appropriate that you'd like to see in the lead? Please feel free to add to it appropriately. Jclemens (talk) 23:48, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I gave it a bit of a rewrite, organizing it a bit much and adding some key points from the article. Hope you like it. Feel free to comment on it. Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:58, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

To Drovethrughosts
TWD series page is incorrect.... It was announced that Feb. 2017 the series other half of 7 will return, this was announced on the series mid-season 7 finale.... And Maggie is married to Glenn Rhee, hence with respect, it should be Maggie Greene-Rhee Heru101 (talk) 23:18, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You are adding the return date for season 7 to the section for season 8, so no, you are incorrect. Maggie calls herself "Maggie Rhee", however, her name is officially Maggie Greene . Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * OMG! smh!
 * I apologize immensely! I did not attent to the subheading! I re-wrote it to season 7, I just didn't understand until now, that I noticed it was season 8....
 * Again I apologize,
 * Heru Heru101 (talk) 02:09, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

FoxFlash and Prison Break
There is no public link due to the details being on the press login site. A lot of released publicity details are only available to press members not the public. Expecting public viewable links for film and TV productions is ridiculous. 119.224.39.131 (talk) 23:50, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * So how can we verify this information is true if we can't access it? Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:54, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Go work for a press organization? :^) The point is for film and TV, references should be optional unless a user has a real or valid reason to challenge the submission. I could also say that any articles that reference restricted and non-public material should have refs with web links as optional. 119.224.39.131 (talk) 00:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Latest developments on the Twobells front
Have you seen all the drama? Get into Twobells talk history; a lot has gone on, and he's done what appears to be a diva-quit. --Drmargi (talk) 21:33, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was just looking at all of it just a bit ago. Whenever I saw his name pop up in my watchlist I would cringe, so loss in my opinion. One less disruptive editor to worry about. Happy belated New Years btw. :) Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:42, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Dating The Wire
Good afternoon, Only a request for info. Can you tell me (roughly) when the the first season is set. This does not appear to be recorded. Cheers! — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 12:36, 7 January 2017 (UTC) I had picked up the "towers" reference. Do you think the article should indicate the date? Have a great weekend! — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 17:05, 7 January 2017 (UTC) Regarding adding the date, as it was contemporary when released, I agree with you. Cheers! — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 08:56, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, after doing some digging, it appears the series begins in late 2001 (basically the same timeframe as to when it was filmed). In the pilot, references are made to 9/11 and you can see Windows XP being used. Any specific reason you asking? Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:10, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello! Thank you for your speedy response and for the research. I have only just started watching for the first time and love it. Seen the first three episodes so far, and listened to both David Simon's commentary and Clark Johnson's. I appreciate the concept of a visual novel; very much to my liking.
 * I really don't think the date is necessary, as it essentially takes place in the same time frame as the series was made. I actually just finished rewatching the series not too long ago. If you like it by just the first three episodes, then you're set; it'll be an amazing watch! Enjoy it! Also, I believe some of the commentaries might have spoilers for subsequent episodes, as all the commentaries for the first three seasons were recorded after season three. Just a heads up. Do you have the Blu-ray box set? Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:29, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I have it on DVD and I did hear David Simon refer to the spoiler about McNulty's worst-case scenario if he were to be transferred: at the end of the series to "The boat"—but that was the only one. I thank you for warning me about not listening to any possible future commentaries.

Issues about Firefly (TV series)
I started a discussion: Talk:Firefly (TV series). I invite you there to discuss how to improve the article. --George Ho (talk) 04:27, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

The Expanse (TV series) distribution
I undid your deletion about Netfilx distribution in the United States for two reasons.

First, the information in the section is wrong by implying that in the United States (the US being one of "all other countries") it is available on Netflix. It is not. Second, The section heading "International" means "world wide", not "relative to a specific country", i.e. the US.

Based on the entire article, a reader can only conclude that US viewers must access it from Netflix. This is incorrect, so additional information is needed in the article to dissuade this conclusion. Thus my original update. As to where it goes, "International Distribution" seemed the best place without adding another (incorrectly titled) section "Domestic Distribution" of just one sentence.

May I humbly and politely suggest that you give consideration in your revisions to why a specific piece of information is in an article before removing it, and possibly consider alternatives such as relocating it?

Sincerly, HiTechHiTouch (talk) 08:19, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice update HiTechHiTouch (talk) 14:13, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

References in wiki articles are like references in academic papers. In theory, each fact gets its own reference. The same source can be cited numerous times if it confirms different facts.

In other words, a reader is not expected to completely read the whole of every reference cited. Only PHD candidates preparing their thesis can invest so much time! A reader wanting to check a particular fact clicks the footnote and gets sent directly to the relevant part of the citation.

Conversely, the reader is not expected to find their own correlations; that is the job of the scholar. Yes, there may be un-footnoted fact which are verified in sources cited by the article. But it's the author's job to find and footnote these correlations, not the reader's.

An unacceptable article says "here are the facts, trust me".

A poor article says "here are the facts" followed by "read all these references and you will see the facts are correct".

A good article says "here is a fact, and here is its verification".

Please remember wiki is supposed to be more of an encyclopedia than a collection of magazine articles.

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Homeland plot
I noticed you undid the removal of plot from the Homeland season 5 article. Just an FYI he made the same changes on the other seasons too. -  Galatz Talk  17:43, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Editing Tyson Sullivan
Hey Alex Hope your having an awesome day!!! Thank you so much for helping me edit my first article!!!! I see that you keep taking issue with putting him as a series regular on both banshee and quarry, I keep doing that because there were a couple articles that I haven't been able to place (but read a couple months ago when I first saw the show) in the last few days from SKY that had said that as well. After thinking about it, you are probably right to leave those blank until I can source the material in the next couple days. Thank you so much for your help. Just trying to make the best article I can!!!

P.S. You're into a lot of awesome shows, if you haven't seen "Quarry" yet you should definitely give it a look its soooo good!

Crabstand81 (talk) 17:41, 4 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I've watched Quarry, so I knew he wasn't a series regular. I double-checked the episode he was in (the finale), and he's credited as a guest star. Actors have to receive opening credits billing to be a "series regular" or "main cast". Now while I don't watch Banshee, I wanted to verify what you were adding was correct. So I checked the episodes he's in, and he just receives a co-starring credit in the end credits (which is for actors with small roles), so I moved his role to the recurring section. As for Justified (a show I'm familiar with), he just has a small role in one episode, which does not classify as recurring. Hopefully you weren't troubled by my edits, I just wanted to verify what you were adding was indeed correct or not. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:24, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

The Leftovers Title Card
Hey.

I just reverted your edit and would like to point this out to you. If however you don't agree with my assessment, you may revert my edit, and I will stop adding the image.

Cheers.

 LoMS   talk  13:54, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Creation of new article for Fear The Walking Dead characters
Hi! I know there was a character page for Fear The Walking Dead before but you merged it a few days back with the show's main page because there was too little content. I just wanted to ask your permission to re-create that page with more detail and a more thorough list of all of the characters who've been introduced in the first two seasons. I'll let you know when I have my draft completed but I just wanted to make sure it was okay by you first so I wouldn't have my page removed afterwards. --Molcoo (talk) 18:20, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi there. First of all, you don't need my permission to do it. The reason I redirected the page was because the original editor (Judor92) was adamant about having that page created, however, all they did was just create an incomplete page with poor grammar with no references and then just left it. It was only edited by one other user in a span of two weeks. I don't really know if a series which only has 21 episodes to date really needs a separate article that will just contain plot-only information anyway. A better use of a time is maybe to slightly expand and improve the character descriptions in the main article. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:57, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Talkback
I noticed you had done the majority of the editing on this article. I am doing a GA Review of it right now and would welcome your input. Shearonink (talk) 03:54, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Fargo
The reason I had made that change is that the "cast" section must not feature 9 people anymore. The lead actors of season 3 are confirmed, bringing that number to 14, which means that we must either feature all 14 of them, or use a "See Cast" hyperlink like I did. Both are valid solutions that are fine by me, but we can't let the infobox as it was. --Hyliad (d), 22:36, 9 March 2017 (CEST)
 * If both are valid, then just leave it be. I fail to see how removing essentially the most important information in the infobox–the stars of the series–is helpful. It's not as if the list is 20+ actors long. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:45, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Fargo S3 image
Hey DTG! Could you grab a fuller image of the stamp poster? My crappy phone won't load it up! Thanks! —  Wylie pedia  05:40, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey, I ended up using the vertical sized poster found on the FX website here. Looking good! Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I thought that's what I downloaded, but something happened in transition. Thanks again! —  Wylie pedia  13:28, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Why aren't you an administrator?
Just wondering. –xenotalk 03:56, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I've simply never applied for it. Don't have that much interest in it, really. Why you ask? Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:41, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * You seem like a good candidate. Maybe try WP:OCRP? –xenotalk 19:59, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the support. I could give a more long-winded reason as to why, but I think I'll pass. Thanks though. Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:49, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

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Orphan Black prodcodes and eps
These are sourced per the ISAN-IA database as the season five ref state. 124.197.3.196 (talk) 02:33, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm looking on ISAN.org for Orphan Black and I see no mention of these production codes. I'm assuming you mean ISAN.ca, which is only available if you have an account. Regardless, these aren't production codes, they're unique identifiers like ISBN for books. Production codes are assigned by the production company and appear in the end credits of episodes. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:21, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to add that (if it's relevant), in the article for Production code number, at the bottom of the article under "Code formats", it states that "A number of Canadian and Australian produced shows use the ISAN format, which is burned-in on the end copyright slate." --  Alex TW 13:25, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've never seen those types of codes before. Have you seen ISAN codes used in articles? Is this an accepted practice? Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:28, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Though there may be more that I'm unaware of, as I don't normally meddle with production codes, two that I can list off the top of my head are Shadowhunters and Killjoys. I've seen no issue with them before; it may not be a common practice, but that's probably because not many series use it. --  Alex TW 13:34, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * see ISAN-IA public search. Also root_part clearly states that this is derived from the production code and denotes production order.  124.197.3.196 (talk) 22:09, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Also that field is included to show the production order, not the exact internal, privately defined number format. May be someone should rename it prod. order and not code. 124.197.3.196 (talk) 22:14, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I do not see where you are finding these codes. I'm looking at entries for specific episode and there is no (for example) "224086-1". All I see is the ISAN numbers (such as "0000-0003-6B56-0009-E-0000-0000-W"). Also, is there a reason why season 2, episode 2 does not have a code? Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:18, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * ISAN prints codes in ugly and annoying to read hex format, as stated on the commit 224086-1 is in cleaner and clearer decimal form. 224086 = 0x36B56. As for the the missing code, Temple Street Productions which submits them, has a habit of screwing up. The end slate for that ep had the code zeroed out. The shows Being Erica and Killjoys, they have in error created new root codes for new seasons.  124.197.3.196 (talk) 22:40, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but this all seems very complicated, confusing and unnecessary. The fact is, these "codes" are nowhere to be found in the source provided. How you're extrapolating "ISAN 0000-0003-6B56-000D-6-0000-0000-J" into "224086-13" is beyond me. The missing code is "ISAN 0000-0003-AA96-0000-7-0000-0000-G", so why cannot that have a "224086-??" code? The fact that the episodes all off by one after the missing code is also odd. An episode cannot just not have a production code. This is all why this should not be included. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:56, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No it's not hexadecimal is base-16 and decimal is normal base-10. ISAN just stupidly use it in printable form, because they defined it for a binary barcode and just carried it through to the printable form. They are off by one because stupid Temple Street never assigned a code to that one ep. 124.197.3.196 (talk) 23:48, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Back again. I find myself agreeing with . Do you expect everyone to be able to convert between the two to verify the information is correct? Yes, there may be a way to extract the codes from the ISAN number and convert it to some production code, but if the code is not explicitly stated in the source without any conversion required, then the source does not support the code(s) that is/are being added. Cheers. --  Alex TW 02:39, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Going by what you are saying, you would have us use the bloated and confusing ISAN hex format. And it's a basic fact that base-10 numbers are the most readable and relate better to humans.  Hexadecimal notation is only practical for coding. Also all other prod. codes are alpha numeric base-10. And no one needs to convert to hexadecimal unless they want to use the limit ISAN-IA public search system. 124.197.3.196 (talk) 03:22, 29 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, here's my final opinion on this matter. I just checked my Orphan Black Blu-rays, and these ISAN codes are in the end credits (something I didn't know). This makes me fine with the codes being included in the article. However, there needs to be a note in the article explaining how the ISAN codes are turned in the shortened codes, because there is no way an average reader (and that includes myself) is going to understand where those numbers are coming from. Secondly, the missing code: if all codes after that are wrong then this is a problem. What I don't understand is that season 2, episode 2 "Governed by Sound Reason and True Religion" has an ISAN number (0000-0003-AA96-0000-7-0000-0000-G), so why cannot it not have a 224086-?? code. I asked this before and you didn't answer it. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:00, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

My guess is Governed by Sound Reason and True Religion was supposed to be 224086-12, but got missed in the numbering, so I would suggest using 224086-12a and 224086-12b for the other as the production company will not correct it as it would require them renumbering the later eps. as for the hex to decimal change, something like "Production codes are in decimal form for uniformity with other codes". 124.197.3.196 (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I can understand that 0000-0003-6B56 = 224086 (using an online hexadecimal to decimal converter), but I don't understand how the second half of the ISAN code equals a number (1 to 49). I really want to understand this if it's going to stay in the article. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:04, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 0000-0003-AA96 is the root of 224086; 0000 is the part or prod. code of zero; 7-0000-0000-G is the version which can be ignored. So root-part is 224086-0. 124.197.3.196 (talk) 22:58, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * After doing a bit more analyzing and research, I understand it fully. Do you have any further knowledge why "Governed by Sound Reason and True Religion" has a different style ISAN code though; it uses AA96 while all other episodes have 6B56. What would be the best way to explain it in the article? As I'm not a fan of just leaving it blank. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:37, 3 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I just noticed 0000-0003-AA96 is 240278 and it seems to be the same screw up that happened with first ep from season three of Being Human. Muse Entertainment created a new root for  "It's a Shame About Ray" and it's never been corrected. 124.197.3.196 (talk) 23:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I've added a note about the ISAN details. 124.197.3.196 (talk) 02:27, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


 * copied this discussion to article talk page. You may remove it from your talk page. 124.197.3.196 (talk) 05:01, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


 * AlexTheWhovian has taken upon himself as usual to remove the note you suggested we add. I leave it to you handle the situation as I'm fed up with him. 124.197.3.196 (talk) 10:12, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I'll have you know that I don't follow every discussion on the site; I'll copy my post on your talk page here: While I understand that your additions concerning ISAN Production Codes are in good faith, I recommend discussing them before you re-implement them. As I explained, the content is unnecessary technical that the regular reader who passes through the article would not require knowledge of, nor would they understand it in the first place. Do you expect them to understand what a "assigned root ID" is? Not everything needs to be included in an article; if it is necessary, then it should go under the "Production" section of the parent article for the main series. --  Alex TW 10:15, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Adding on, to the IP editor, false accusations such as this, stating that the "user is just trolling", that will get you nowhere else other than an administrative noticeboard in a report against your edit-warring and personal attacks, which violate WP:EW and WP:NPA. --  Alex TW 10:19, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


 * You are trolling right now on this user's talk page and seem to be stalking user's contribs. And the note needs to be on the article it relates to, especially when inconsistencies with the numbering are present. and  details of "assigned root ID" are provided with ISAN article link. 124.197.3.196 (talk) 10:27, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


 * So, I assume that you have no intent to discuss this civilly per WP:CIVIL? I checked your sources, and the source does not provide anything relating to the assigned root ID, or the number 137959, making it entirely your own original research per WP:OR. Again, I repeat: the content is unnecessary technical jargon that the regular reader who passes through the article would not require knowledge of, nor would they understand it in the first place. Therefore, it is not required. At all. It does not elaborate on anything within the article. If you continue to edit-war, you may find yourself reported and blocked against any editing. --  Alex TW 14:01, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Mac's categories
Hi User:Drovethrughosts, do you know if the categories on Mac (It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia) are correct? The categories I'm confused about are:
 * Category:Fictional drug dealers, on the show they say he did this in high school and presumably doesn't anymore
 * Category:Fictional American people of Irish/Scottish descent, He's part owner of an Irish pub and a radical Roman Catholic, but his surname "McDonald" is Scottish in origin and found in both countries

Categories he might belong in: Hope you can help, )--Theo Mandela (talk) 22:22, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Category:Fictional bartenders, he part owns/runs a bar but doesn't serve behind the counter
 * Category:Fictional preachers, he preaches his Catholic beliefs to everyone, but it's not a job
 * Category:Fictional karateka, probably not, he pretends he knows it and does made-up karate moves often

It's supposed to be a surprise
You left me a thank you notification for your nomination at Editor of the Week....which I much appreciate. Problem is, you should not have known about it for another seven weeks by which time it would have (and still will be) seconded and move up the Queue and be awarded about late August. . We have been clerking the Editor of the Week award for many years and only rarely does the intended get "wind of it"! I'm curious to know....Did I accidentally ping you? Anyway, let me be the first to congratulate you (seven weeks early). Thanks for all you do! Buster7 (talk) 02:13, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I got a notification for it, which brought me to this page. Sorry if I spoiled the surprise for myself, haha. Regardless, it was still a surprise...just a bit early. Thanks, I really appreciate the kind words and the recognition; it means a lot! Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:29, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Twin Peaks titles
You removed my edit for TP S3, where I added titles for ep1-13. Why do you not consider them to be titles? Even if you would rather call them "descriptions" they're short enough to serve as titles. There are precedents: http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/twin-peaks-part-9-10-11-12-titles/, http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/twin-peaks/247520/twin-peaks-new-episode-titles-revealed Kraps (talk) 13:41, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The fact is, they are not official episode titles, they are descriptions. Yes, I agree other sources sometimes use the descriptions as "titles" because it's easier than referring to them as "Part 1" or "Part 6", which is more vague. Regardless, use the talk page at the article itself to raise any concerns you have. Thank you. Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:28, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Editor of the Week
User:Buster7 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
 * Drovethrughosts has spent years daily working at improving the quality of WP's many and varied television-related articles such as The Walking Dead, The Office, and 24...just to name a few. He is finely attuned with the established standard and structure of the TV medium and Wikipedia's episodic TV articles, templates and images. He states; "I'm a huge television fan and consider it my favourite medium of entertainment." Mentoring and educating other editors is challenging...to say the least, especially in an Arena that draws new inexperienced editors and fans by the droves. He knows the importance of clear, precise descriptions and responses. Like one of the TV shows he writes about, he tailors his message to his audience.

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

Thanks again for your efforts! Lepricavark (talk) 19:29, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! It means a lot! Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Congrats D. Thanks for all your work here at the 'pedia. It is much appreciated. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:58, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:05, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The banner will be displayed at the WER Project page, the Editor of the Week page and in the WER Hall of Fame. &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   23:58, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks again ! Just a small request though... maybe the image should be this instead (from WP:TV); I am a proud Canadian, but my main Wikipedia work has to do with TV. Also I fixed the dablinks in the banner. :) Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:00, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   05:42, 15 August 2017 (UTC)