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Guild of Copy Editors December 2017 News
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"New Account"
Hey, so I noticed in your NPOVN post you said I was a very new account that had only been created on July 1st. I think you might have missed something. I've had this account since January 2017. I'm still sort of new I think, but it's been a year and a half, not just a week. Not a big deal, just wanted to let you know. I'd like you to strike and edit that line please. Thanks. Red Rock Canyon (talk) 06:30, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Whoops, did a strikethrough, sorry about that! Drsmoo (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Red Rock Canyon (talk) 04:35, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

August GOCE newsletter
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December 2018 GOCE newsletter
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GOCE 2018 Annual Report
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December 2020 Guild of Copy Editors Newsletter
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December 2021 GOCE Newsletter
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GOCE April 2022 newsletter
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History of ancient Israel and Judah‎
The edit you just restored DELETED longstanding, stable content from a reliable, secondary source and replaced it with material presenting an antithetical viewpoint from a novel, undiscussed source without any attempt to create balance or adhere to Wikipedia guidelines on neutrality, hence 'unconstructive'. It appeared to be also quite likely tendentious. Are you sure you examined the edit properly? Iskandar323 (talk) 18:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Source is reliable. If there are different opinions they should both be included unless one is clearly recognized as a minority opinion. Drsmoo (talk) 18:40, 14 April 2022 (UTC)


 * But you didn't include both opinions, you restored the edit that deleted one opinion to be replaced by a different one, so your restoration supported the tendentious editing. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:48, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Information has been restored to include both opinions. Citing a well-known archaeologist published in an academic source is not tendentious, imo. Drsmoo (talk) 18:57, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It was not implicitly the source, but the manner of the initial edit that was the problem - replacing one sourced statement with another without neutrality or balance. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:17, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

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1RR violation at Cave of the Patriarchs
You have violated 1RR at Cave of the Patriarchs. You need to self-revert or you may be sanctioned or blocked. Happy to discuss on the article talk page when you have. GordonGlottal (talk) 12:17, 22 May 2022 (UTC GordonGlottal (talk) 12:24, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Not a 1RR my friend Drsmoo (talk) 13:18, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

June GOCE newsletter
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Guild of Copy Editors' October 2022 newsletter
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Guild of Copy Editors December 2022 Newsletter
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ANI case
Hi, I've filed a case at ANI regarding your recent thoughtless mass reversion of edits. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:56, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors 2022 Annual Report
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Samaritanism
I won't try to weigh in on whether your deletion improved the article, but the argument given is logically unsound. Samaritans have not been much of a threat or viable rival to Jews since the Maccabees conquered northern Israel over 2,000 years ago, and modern Jews don't generally define themselves in opposition to Samaritans. By contrast, Samaritans can't help being aware of the Jewish community, which has been much larger for a long time... AnonMoos (talk) 06:00, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Antisemitism?
@Drsmoo Hey there. I see you are involved in editing the new article of Zionism, race and genetics. The article's approach could be interpreted as antisemitic or at the very least anti-Zionist due to the extensive use of cherry picking and WP:Synth, and the despite the brief mention, an overall denial of Jewish genetic connection to the Middle East, which is already established, especially among Ashkenazi Jews, which the article directly attacks. Any suggestions? Tombah (talk) 05:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

It then used an antisemitic phrase “Jewish scientific racism” which was not in the source it was attributed to and was quickly removed. There is also the textbook synth like combining disparate sources discussing different things to create a new idea the author wants to propagate. Drsmoo (talk) 14:03, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tombah The article is Synth in that it combines disparate sources as an attempt to denigrate scientifically sound and well established studies of Jewish origins. None of these are "Zionist" studies, they are just studies. The entire theme of the article is very reminiscent of the term "Jewish Science" (Jüdische Physik). The interchangeable use in the article of "Jewish Race Science", or previously, "Jewish Scientific Racism) (which was not in any source, says the quiet part out loud. Along with interchangeably using Jewish and Zionist interchangeably depending on how the POV pushing author wants to denigrate those concepts.
 * There is so much in the article that is just plainly not in the sources cited whatsoever, so it's synth and POV in both a micro and a macro sense.


 * I do think the flagrant Synth is reportable, as is the way the users constantly goes on Judaism related articles and attempts to blare the POV points he thinks will push his agenda at the top of the lead. Drsmoo (talk) 12:44, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have never filed such a report. Tell me how you suggest to proceed. We cannot accept this kind of editing. Tombah (talk) 16:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't believe I have either. At baseline it's a POV-Fork of Genetic Studies on Jews, which is also substantiated by Nishidani who said that Onceinawhile created the article after his edit on that page was reverted. The current article is an entirely one-sided screed that combines disparate ideas to push the author's narrative. It seems the whole purpose of the article's POV, and the angle of its fork from Genetic Studies on Jews, is to provide a base to imply that genetic studies that affirm a common origin for Jews are inherently ideological. Given that these studies are performed by notable researchers from esteemed institutions, it seems to be a BLP violation as well. Even the title reads like an essay, rather than a dispassionate analysis. There is a larger issue of the article's author having a longstanding pattern of trying to place his POV sources at the top of articles in order to further an agenda, which is also unacceptable. Drsmoo (talk) 16:53, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Zionism, race and genetics
At the above article you are excessively tagging merely to make a point and refusing to address the alleged concerns in talk as well as casting aspersions on the motivations of other editors. This is disruptive and I suggest you desist. If you do in fact believe that the article is an attack page and has no place in WP then make use of AfD procedure instead of engaging in unproductive discourse on the talk page. Thank you. Selfstudier (talk) 14:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * They have been addressed, I am not interested in engaging in back-and-forth with the person who added the content. See "Sealioning". I'd rather discuss with neutral third parties. Drsmoo (talk) 14:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I removed the tags added by yourself and you have restored them. A continuing failure to address the reasons for tagbombing the article will result in the matter being progressed at AE. Selfstudier (talk) 16:53, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That's up to you, they will see that the specific examples were provided by me, and ignored. Drsmoo (talk) 17:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

MOS:LEAD
@Drsmoo: I just trimmed this quote you added to the lead and then looked around to see where it was contextualized within the body and found that it was not present. The lead is a summary of the body. Sometimes there is some editorial latitude in this, in that it can be partially descriptive, but this does not apply to things like direct quotation. If a quote is important enough to be the lead, it should for sure already have found a place in the body. Please contextualize it. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:52, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * It was removed from the article body by selfstudier, he has provided three incorrect reasons for removing it. The relevant section will be re added and expanded after 24 hours. If it continues to be removed based on incorrect assertions, AE will be involved Drsmoo (talk) 12:55, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, but if the material is being contested then you should be working towards establishing consensus for it to appear in the body first, not putting the cart before the horse and shoving it straight into the lead without context, and with the promise that you are going to edit war it back in 24 hours later. Also, should not be counting down to your next revert. i.e.: "The rule is not an entitlement to revert a page a specific number of times." (WP:3RR). The restrictions are there to enforce the need for discussion and consensus building, not simply reduce the tempo of edit warring to once a day per person. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:02, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest re Tags
Tagging pages for problems This essay states that editors with a conflict of interest may not remove tags. Is that consistent with a “personal COI” or does it mean involved editors? Drsmoo (talk) 20:12, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Since the page in question is merely an "essay", i.e. an expression of the opinions of the editors who wrote it, and not a policy or guideline, what it means is purely a matter of what the people who wrote it intended it to mean. I would suggest asking those editors, but the person who first added mention of "conflict of interest" to the page has been indefinitely blocked since 2018, so you probably won't get very far trying to do that. Under those circumstances, your opinion about what the wording means is as good as anyone's, and certainly being an administrtor doesn't confer any extra insight. JBW (talk) 21:10, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

ANI
See here Nishidani (talk) 11:15, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

ARBPIA logged warning
Hi, Drsmoo. As a result of a recent AE thread, I am giving you the following logged warning, in my capacity as an uninvoled administrator acting under the contentious topics procedures for the Arab-Israeli conflict: -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 16:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Dude
This edit just messed up the grammar and this edit reintroduced a phrase that I added but replaced because "dispersion" appeared twice in the same sentence. Please read your edits. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * My bad, fixed. Thanks for letting me know. I just want to say, since you’re already on my talk page, that despite our disagreements I think you have a great deal of integrity and I enjoy editing alongside you. Drsmoo (talk) 14:25, 25 August 2023 (UTC)