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POV issues
I am going to highly recommend you to read various Wikipedia policies before you resume editing, including WP:NPOV. Dlong 22:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Again, please discuss any controversial changes you make to an article on its talk page beforehand. Your POV-pushing behavior has been reported to WikiProject College Football. Dlong 23:32, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Please take a look at some of the policies and guidelines in the above linked welcome message. As Dlong pointed out, your additions to the article, while well-intentioned, fail one of our core content policies - neutral point of view.  It is important that Wikipedia content be verifiable, citing reliable sources, not merely your personal opinion. -- B  00:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

What do you feel is Point of View issues. Your article specifically describes the quarterback play up untill Manning and then has a huge whole. The most important issues covering the Fulmer Era is when he started, he is still active, the BCS Championship, his SEC Championships and recruiting. Also, becareful not to make statements that are vague and overbroad, such as streaks (?). Try writing your article and check for grammar errors. Tennessee's page does not read as well as some of the other teams' cites.


 * That's fine, then you can fix the errors. The parenthetical comments don't really help, do they? CJC47 18:52, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * From your edit:

''Coach Fulmer proclaimed that he could "take it to another level." That he did.'' (Unsourced and disputed. The are a great many fans and commentators who disagree with this, pointing out his losing record again the major SEC coaches, and the fact that three of his four best years took place with Peyton Manning as Quarterback)

''Coach Fulmer recorded over 100 wins in his first ten seasons. He is regarded as one of the best recruiters signing players from across the country. He is a strong player developer sending more than 80 great players to NFL, such as, Peyton Manning, Jamal Lewis, John Henry, Jason Witten, Travis Henry, ect. Moreover, Philip Fulmer is one of the most successful active coaches leading the Volunteers to two SEC Championships, two BCS bowl games and six divisional titles.'' (While this is all true, this needs to be balanced out with his poor performance in recent years, and needs citations as well)

However, the pinnacle (pinnacle? That type of wording is unneeded) of Coach Fulmer's career thus far has been the 1998 National Championship season.''' ... From there, the Volunteers blazed through the ever demanding SEC schedule unscathed (ever-demanding? In general, it was a down year for the SEC), except for a near scare from Arkansas. Phillip Fulmer has fulfilled his pledge of "tak[ing] it to another level." (Says who?)

Tennessee is a perennial power on the football field and as a recruiter. (Perennial power? Tennessee has struggled to stay in the top 25 in recent years).

Heaping praise after praise upon Fulmer while failing to even mention the criticism he has received (and there has been much criticism) is the very definition of POV.

Dlong 19:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Obviously, you do not like Phillip Fulmer. I do not support him or wish for his removal. I know Tennessee fans are upset with the early loss, but your article just does not address your objective of overviews of the different coaching eras.

I did not notice any cites in the article; however, I agree as to the quote. Please see "Game Day," Triumph Books, pg. 75 (2006). The other statistics were compiled from NFL.com and SEC.com.

I did attend Tennessee for undergrad many years ago. However, I attended post-grad else where. Looking at some of the other teams' Wikipedia pages, Tennessee's seem wanting. I believe your real objection is that you do not like Fulmer. It appears that you think Manning's time at Tennesse as Fulmer's only accomplishment. However, I think any reasonable person would argue that the pinnacle (which means high point) is winning the BCS in 1998. Moreover, according to wins and players in the NFL, Fulmer is the second most successful coach in Tennessee history. I believe you are letting your "POV" get the best of you. I hope you receive this comments in the spirit they are intended.


 * Just to let you know, you can sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ )

My like or dislike of Fulmer has nothing to do with my edits here. I've revert edits from fans on both sides of the spectrum (for one example, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phillip_Fulmer&diff=145271184&oldid=145270991) The fact of the matter is that WP:NPOV states that an article should fairly represent all points of view. There are certainly two points of view here: That Fulmer is a good coach and that he is a bad one. The fact is, your edit only represents one of these views. There is no doubt that the page needs to be improved, and you are certainly welcome to do so, but it only counts as improvement if edits are made within Wikipedia's policies, most notably WP:NPOV, WP:RS, and NPOV. Dlong 21:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)