User talk:Duk/Archive3

Research project on wiki contributors
Hello-

I am aware that this is not the typical message usually posted, so I would like to apologize and ask for your kind understanding. I am a PhD student at Syracuse University School of Information Studies. My advisor and I are working on a research project on contributors to Wikis. This project received Institutional Review Board Approval number 05048. I would like to have a brief email dialog with you about your experience as a Wikipedia contributor. Please respond to this posting or send me an email at wikiresearch@hotmail.com, if you would be willing to answer a couple of quick questions. I would like to assure you that your comments will remain confidential.

Best regards, -Isabelle Fagnot

Diagnosis Murder
Permision was granted as you can see in talk the email is size +2. Please see Talk: Diagnosis Murder. This has been the second copy vio report. --Cool Cat My Talk 22:48, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * How do you expect me to prove it? --Cool Cat My Talk 22:51, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It is a list of emails in chronological order. The copy vio notice told you which page this "copy vio" was from. Go to that page and you will see that the e-mail of the remote user is identical to the one provided. Feel free to e-mail her. --Cool Cat My Talk 22:53, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * There were two web sites, the one presentted first gave me permission, the second one, I didnt bother asking, instead I rewrote the material from it. --Cool Cat My Talk 04:11, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Hello? --Cool Cat My Talk 06:28, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I dont remeber the URL, it was on the Copy vio tag which is not even in history anymore. --Cool Cat My Talk 16:26, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio
Thanks for the heads-up. I found a Google match at. I'm not sure if this is a mirror site, but there is a copyright notice at the bottom of their page. Again, thanks! Wikivacation resuming. :^) - Lucky 6.9 21:56, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:204.184.37.2
Hello - Your block on 204.184.37.2 isn't working. Whoever it is has a thing about the El Nino page and I getting real tired of reverting the vandalism. Sorry I'm in a bad mood. Can you do something about this person?

Thanks - Paul Reiser (PAR) PAR 17:50, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

22 or 21
Dear DUK, I also was thinking the number to be 22, then I found a reference of all the names, which, I am giving in the article who got Indian Order of Merit. Actually, I feel that this article has a lot of potentials - it can be developed to become a beautiful article. By the way, how you got in the topic. I was just roaming wikipedia by clicking "Random page" - and landed on this page. I am to edit the article further. We all should continue to research the correct number. What do you say? --Bhadani 17:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes sure, I had guessed about the copyvio part and certainly I understand that you must have put up a stub in a hurry, as topic is interesting. I shall continue to edit and expand for a day or two. The map portion or depending on time at your disposal, you may please do whatever is possible. Once, I finish, say by next 24 hours, you please revise the article, and reduce / expand, as may be required, of course, at your convenience and depending on the time at your disposal (as you are not free, being an admin, u have several things to do)- ok, bye now.--Bhadani 17:46, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Battle of Saragarhi
hello, though delayed, I could give some inputs to the article. I will do something more in a day or two. In case you find time, plz create a map, etc. thanks.--Bhadani 18:58, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Ramapough Mountain Indians
howdy! I have left you a msg about possible copyright infringement. The website where original doc was placed has open policy on copying source to other sites. pls see updated notes on page and remove copyright notice violation. Whomever submitted this as an infringement never read state of nj copyright policy posted on website. thank you.

steven User:68.37.88.71

Rubber Duk
Duk, what type of name is that to christen you offspring. I mean did you parents even have a hate for you? email me back ave_it99@hotmail.com

I'm new:)
Hi,I see the image you upload about pumped storage hydro,I want to write its Chinese edition .Could you tell me where I can get the raw images about hydroelectricity without any English annotate,please. --Super1 05:25, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure. Which image, what is the file name ??--Duk 05:32, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Copyright Question
I replied to your email as per your request, let me know if you have any questions or comments --NEWUSER 22:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Eddie Schneider parents.jpg
So do you want me to remove who's collection it came from or do you want me to change that I am releasing it into the public domain? I don't understand your complaint about my image for "Eddie Schneider". Why do you want to delete it? The copyright notice says "This image has been released into the public domain by the copyright holder, its copyright has expired, or it is ineligible for copyright. This applies worldwide." Please let me know why you seem to belive that this copyright notice is invalid. Or show me that this image appears with a copyright notice elsewhere. I think the burden lies with you to prove my copyright notice is not legally valid.

Correct, its just a family photo, no implied or actual copyright, just from the FAMILY collection that belonged to Ralph, its not a copyrighted photo. By publishing it I am entering it into the public domain. See yesterdays New York Times for Britney Spears vs the man who wrote her music for updated public domain vs copyright fight. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 22:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Jacques Mesrine and Ruth Ellis Articles
Hey Duk, I was the one who had originally posted the copyright violation notices. I'll help with the re-write on Ruth Ellis if I can find some info...but right now I am in the middle of a bunch of school work. Thanks, Dbraceyrules 01:35, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Fair use
At my talk page you have posted a question about the free use decision tree. This decision tree was constructed for a talk page by another user, namely Zeimusu. I merely included it in the mainspace text and added several links to Fair use on other pages. --Eleassar777 22:15, 14 May 2005 (UTC)


 * You have to go through the history of the "Wikipedia:Fair use talk page" - discussion page. --Eleassar777 22:26, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't remember anymore where I got it. Perhaps it was from meta - I'm just guessing. However, I am sure it was created by Zeimusu, as this is what I put in the <--! --> intertext when copying. Contact him and good luck! --Eleassar777 22:38, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it is exactly this. --Eleassar777 22:41, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Panko
I'd just found the source (I assume that you meant ), returned to the entry to add the details &mdash; and you'd beaten me to it. That's ten minutes of my lfe that I'll never get back... Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 18:28, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Ramapough Mountain Indians
Duk, The info posted to the temp page is from my website. I am the web admin for the tribal website. If possible, I would like to explain why the info posted is offensive. the info listed is wrong. We do not, nor have we ever spoke Jersey Dutch. Our ancestors spoke Munsee and i'm sure they had to learn English and Dutch to communicate with the European invaders. The part that is really upsetting is many site derive their info from yours and it spreads the lies. In the temp folder is the correct info which is on our website written by our chief. Please, either post the correct info or delete us out of your site altogether. Thank you.

Steven (User:Ramapoughnative1)


 * Hi Steven, I understand that you are frustrated with this page and will try my best to help you fix it. New users are often frustrated by the wiki process, it takes a little time to see how things work here. Some tips;


 * 1) In general, don't copy and paste text from other websites into wikipedia, it will likely be deleted on copyright violation grounds.
 * 2) If you are the author, or have permission to use previously published material in wikipedia, then you need to state this on the article's talk page. Include contact information (for example, refer to your tribal website's contact information).
 * 3) Offensive material- The best way to attack this is to make your case on the talk page. And then, slowly fix the article little by little. If a previous version of the article is deleted and replaced with your version, the editors who wrote the earlier version might get upset, even if they had some incorrect information.

If you have any more problems, don't hesitate to ask--Duk 15:46, 16 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi Duk!
 * Thank you for understanding. For future reference, my email address is (see history). Thank you again and i'm sure i'll have more questions. (User:Ramapoughnative1)

Infectious salmon anemia
I think the use of the text is ok under the provisions of the of the MRC FoI scheme, I've asked on the copyvio talk for some more feedback--nixie 00:28, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Copyright violation. Help needed.
Hi there, I have a problem with a page I worked on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Peter_of_Bulgaria How do I fix this copyright violation. Please help. George


 * Hi George, The first sentence of the the first two paragraphs are from (that's as far as I checked). In general, don't copy and paste copyrighted material into wikipedia (unless you can license the material per the GFDL to wikipedia). If you want to quote material, then enclose the quote in '' . Don't pass the words off as your own.


 * To fix this article, re-write at the link given on the copvio notice. Just be sure to use your own words.--Duk 16:46, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Semiconductor manufacturing
A discussion whose topic is
 * Semiconductor manufacturing

now appears on User talk:Jerzy/Semiconductor manufacturing; the following points describe the discussion:
 * 2 msgs, 16:55 thru 20:45, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 16:55, 19 May 2005 D
 * 20:45, 19 May 2005 J
 * 2 participants: Jerzy~t~*; User:Duk~t~*.
 * general topic(s):

merck records
duk im not sure of the process for undoing the copyright notice, but if it has anything to do with you, i'd like you to take care of it Merck Records/Temp. Aghost 23:00, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey Duk, This is gabe koch, i run merck records, i updated and revised the bio info on the Merck Records page on the Temp Page, so you can remove the copyright infringement bit whenever you get a chance. thanks. -Gabe
 * Thanks, all taken care of. --Duk 04:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Can you find my entry?
Hi I want to create an entry for the Bulgarian Khan Sabin, but instead of it, when I click on the link, I am being taken to a disambiguation page. How do I fix that in the future and how to find my article if there is any ambiguety? What do I do so I can be given the chance to enter the information?
 * Hi, you need to edit List of Bulgarian monarchs and change the link from Sabin to kahn Sabin (or whatever the correct title for him was, I'm not sure what the naming convention is for Bulgarian leaders in the eighth century, see Naming conventions). Once you've corrected the link on List of Bulgarian monarchs and saved the page, the link will turn red (assuming the article doesn't exist yet). You can then click on the red link and write the article.


 * Also, if you register an account with wikipedia (it only takes a few seconds) you will get a Watchlist that will automatically help you track the pages you work on, and will show you when someone else has edited any pages on your watchlist. Creating an account is easy and allows you to remain anonymous if you wish. I hope this helps. --Duk 04:32, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Hwy Duk, How do I contact a user by the name of EvilZak? He deleted my Khan Sabin entry from the disambiguation page and altogher. Regards,
 * Hi Georko, I set up the page you wanted at Khan Sabin and fixed the links at Sabin and List of Bulgarian monarchs. --Duk 06:29, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Did you know?
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Harvey Hubbell, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

Thank you
Hi Duk,

Thanks for helping out. I plan on reading the pages you posted in your reply.

Regards,

George

copyvio removal
Hello there. You removed the notices that I placed on Saint Regina and Sam Cobean. The first stated rm copyvio, PD Catholic Encyclopedia  and the second stated rm copyvio, biography.ms is a mirror that is failing to credit wikipedia.

Regarding both items, is there a list anywhere of legitimate places to use as source material? The only ones I am aware of are the ones I have seen mentioned in some articles, such as the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica.

For the latter item, how do you know that it is a mirror? Has it given credit in the past, or ...?

Thanks.

--TheParanoidOne 05:39, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing out those resources. And no, it hasn't scared me off yet. ;-) --TheParanoidOne 08:26, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

ganguro
Yes, I was checking to see if the pic or the link was gone. I was going to contact SA myself (if they are even the original owner), but if you're doing it, then I'll leave it up to you. Stratton 20:41, May 29, 2005 (UTC)--

Moyer Factory copyright dispute
Thanks Duk. RJII 15:29, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

FTMME
I wasn't aware about the resolution, I thought it was an unilateral remove. I'll clear the copyvio tag drini &#9742; 22:01, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

biography.ms
Hi Fibonacci, Did you receive any reply from the email you sent these people regarding their non-compliance with the GDFL? This site is starting to rank very high on Google searches, and people are still tagging Wikipedia articles as copyvios based on this site not crediting us. I'm wondering what more we can do.--Duk 15:19, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * No answer yet - I'm starting to suspect the didn't even read my message. I don't want to wait for this problem to be magically solved, but I don't know what more to do. If there is something more I can do to help (to take this site down - it seems the only possible solution), please tell me - I'll be more than happy to help! --Fibonacci 02:53, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: GAP Project
Hi there. You tagged GAP Project as a copyvio a while back, and deleted it later. What parts of this revision was a copyright violation, and why was the entire text removed? User:Coolcat said that (s)he wrote the entire article from scratch after the first copyvio. Thanks for your help. -Frazzydee|&#9997; 14:47, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Regarding Dark_Doktrines
Hello!

Thanks for the comment. I hastily reverted the aforementioned page. It seemed like the quickest way to fix the obviously spammed article. I'll follow protocol in the future.

FredrikM 21:55, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image tagging
Hello Duk

Not sure what you mean about only uploading images in the public domain. The photo removed was one I took in 1980 so I think I have the right to put it on the internet as the copyright belongs with me ... maybe you should check with me first before removing it.

Have read the copyright info and think I understand. I will reframe the text on all images, sorry about that.--Zed1 07:06, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Have read the copyright info and think I understand. I will redit the text on all images, sorry about that.--Zed1 07:08, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Duk
Thanks for your support on my Adminship request.

My RFA: Thanks
Thank you for your support on my RFA. Now that I have been promoted, I promise to be as hardworking and fair with the admin tools as I have been with the other areas here on Wikipedia. See you around and happy editing. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:35, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My RFA
Duk, thank you for your vote of confidence on my recent successful RFA, it was much appreciated. I will work to demonstrate that your trust was well-placed. Fawcett5 19:44, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thank you for voting on my RFA. Have some pie! I was pleasantly surprised by the sheer number of supporters (including several people that usually disagree with my opinion). I shall do my best with the proverbial mop. Yours, Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 08:14, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Huang Sheng Shyan - Article
Hi Duk,

the article I wrote about Huang Sheng Shyan got blocked for a possible copyright infringement from the source http://www.taijiquan.co.nz/journey.htm

Now, the site http://www.taijiquan.co.nz/ is maintained by Dean Cudmore (dean@taijiquan.co.nz) of the TAIJIQUAN SCHOOL OF CENTRAL EQUILIBRIUM, Auckland, New Zealand. I am a member of this taiji club and copied the above text from this site with full consent by the TAIJIQUAN SCHOOL OF CENTRAL EQUILIBRIUM.

So could you please put the page about Huang Sheng Shyan back online or tell me how to "proof" our rights in this copyright issue.

Cheers, Herbert Langsteiner User:Herbert Langsteiner
 * See your talk page or the articles talk page.--Duk 15:49, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

St. Thomas Aquinas High School
I believe I have provided a new article for this subject that does not violate any copyrights. It is all information that I know and am familiar with personally. Please review the new information and let me know if it is a problem. Nothing has been directly quoted from the school's official website. It seems to me that it is just as proper as another similar high school entry I found for St. Xavier High School in Cincinnati, OH and that entry was permitted.

Justin Dublikar jdublikar@bakerfirm.com User:24.123.47.122

Earnest Harmon reply
OK Thanks I will look at things over the weekend regarding the editing and copyright stuff

Wayne Author / Poet / Publisher HMS Press & CPA London Imprint: Electronic Bookstore http://www3.sympatico.ca/cpa Website: http://www.mirror.org/wayne.ray Canadian Poetry Association: http://www.canadianpoetryassoc.com

POB 340 Station B London Ontario N6A 4W1 cpa@sympatico.ca aphorysm@hotmail.com 519-680-3684 http://cpalondon.bravejournal.com/

Ernest Harmon Air Force Base revisions
I have revised and shortened the article on EHAFB. I could not locate the copyleft license I had see earlier and can put the license in later. I have put a notice inthe copyright infringement page as you requested. I have added the Bib list as well, I had forgotten it in the original

Wayne Ray

Thanks
Hi, thanks for reverting vandalism on my User Page. I feel some people like to vandalize user and other pages for plain fun (lol), and excitement. --Bhadani 00:50, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Canadian Poetry section
In Wikipedia there is a section called List of Canadian Poets. Is there an editor for this section. I am mainly interested in working in and editing in this section. Does it need a mentor editor etc.

Wayne Ray

Trench War mess up
Dear Duk, I am cpuwhiz11 who is currently being a historical advisor to TGTW (The Great Trench War) which is affiliated with Battlefield 1918. I posted this page with all the information on with permission from the TGTW's current leader Leonidas (email: trench_gamer@msn.com ). As stated at the bottom of the article a clear note indicated that almost all of the information was copied with permission from the TGTW website. I am deeply sorry this mess up has occured I am sure we can work it all out I know you might think I am lying to you if so feel free to contact Leonidas, anyone else associated with TGTW/BF1918 or make a post on our forum (http://www.battlefield1918.de/forum/74/) to confim my story. If you feel the need to contact me you can reach me at my email at dynamicpaul@msn.com or on MSN instant messenger as cpuwhiz11. Please try to clear up this as soon as possible I appreciate any thing you can do.

From, User:cpuwhiz11

Help!
Is there a human I can talk to on the phone. If my boss, who works in Entertainment and has sold over 5,000 copies of his movies and I add the biography that his publicist wrote and he pays for and owns, I do not understand why that is copyright infringement. He owns that copyright. Sorry, I am so confused and I would like to resolve this issue. You are the one that removed the article, so that is why I am coming to you. Thanks for your help on this.

Manchester, NH
Hi, I don't understand your revert on the Manchester, New Hampshire page. Someone needed to edit the portion with the comment that was added by an anon, but why did you revert the article so far back? Your comment says something aobut a copy-right violation, but a few quick google searches don't turn up anything (though I didn't have time to try too many). Probably I'm just missing something, but can you explain why did you do away with so much of the stuff on the page? Zarvok | Talk 17:25, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

def of soc copyright
Hey, I meant to put it back up when I got your first message. Forgot about it. I took it off because it had been there so long and couldn't get any answers on what the procedure was. So an admin has to do it. I see. By the way it's a ridiculous case. As if it's a copyright violation to quote a definition. Whatever. By the way, someone put the definitions of capitalism article back as well. You may want to take care of that. RJII 00:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi Duk, I know this is overdue, but I want to thank you for supporting my RFA. Thanks to everyone who supported me, I am now an admin, and I have been using my powers to help further Wikipedia as a whole. Thank you! Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 23:52, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Definitions of capitalism
In response to your message on my talk page, I can't really agree with your point 1 on general principle. I will certainly remove copyright violation notices when they are placed improperly. In this case, I'm not sure if I did the right thing or not. It's true that no url is not a sufficient reason to remove one, but it would be good if you would describe your reasons for nominating it on the page itself, on the talk page, or at least in an edit summary. The problem is this case is that we had this page stuck in a limbo with no movement in either direction for a couple weeks, with the page blank, all the while linked to from the first sentence of capitalism, a prominent article. It seems irresponsible to leave things like that. Instead of trying to figure out what to do with Definitions of capitalism, I instead just removed the link from Capitalism, making it an orphan. - Nat Krause 07:16, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

material from other pages
Hi, I wrote the material on those pages, so I guess I gave permission for it to be used.
 * User:Stevemc

Asurion
Duk- Please delete this entry. You make this extremely difficult to update.
 * Not difficult at all, I'll even help you if you want. You just need to compose a few sentances for a new stub. Let me know if you'd like my help.--Duk 19:10, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There also is an entry in Nashville, TN back to Asurion. Please delete this as well.
 * No need to delete.--Duk 19:10, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

-Michael User:69.137.66.112

RfA thanks
Thanks for your support for my adminship. I'm looking forward to never typing "rv vandal" again. Cheers, -Willmcw 08:37, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

dominica
yes there is

Stepping Stones Lighthouse
Great picture, thanks for adding it! Did you take it yourself? --RoySmith 30 June 2005 11:26 (UTC)

Talking behind back...
I normaly would take that as an inulst. I am the author of the material GAP Project (orrignal verison) of which adiyamali.org used. I wrote it for the Turkish gov. If you actualy read adiyamanli.org it will sound like a burochure as it was and maybe still is. Turkish gov releases most of its information to PD. I cannot proove the red tape. It is just used on newspapers and publications freely. You cant copyright data anyways. Ataturk Dam will hold same amount of water (asuming calculated accurately) regardless of the source. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 00:36 (UTC)

Do you have any proof adiyamanli.org holds copyrights. 10 other pages use identical or portions of the material. I am makeing it a big deal only because you are makeing it a big deal. As for Diagnosis: Murder I gave you the copy of the author giving me the permission to use the material. You still fail to read the talk page. The email is there. Mail the person if you wish although she might have forgotten about the communication after months, then again she may remember. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 00:36 (UTC)

I rewote GAP project twice because of you. Its rather annoying. You cant mark something that is not on adiyamanli.org as a copy vio. Majority of the article is not. Even if some words or even sentences may match thats not a sufficiant reason to blank everything. You are required to remove only the copy vio statements. Every individual case. You are also required to actualy compare everything to the remote site. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 00:36 (UTC)

I don't like to be declared a "dishonest user" that for me is a personal attack. I'd rather wish you did not refer to me like that. You are welcome to NOT believe my story. I frankly dont care. I know who I am, I know what I wrote. I reccomend assuming good failth. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 00:36 (UTC)


 * Coolcat, I've processed about a thousand copyvios. I have never accepted anonymous permission to use previously published material. I held this page to the same standards as every other copyvio I've evaluated. How can you say you were unfairly treated?


 * You said that you re-wrote the history pages that I deleted, yet they contained at least a full paragraph of copied, previously published material. (let me know if you want me to email you the text in question, not being an administrator you won't be able to see the deleted history I'm talking about).


 * Finally, why don't you say to my face what you've been saying behind my back??--Duk 2 July 2005 00:47 (UTC)


 * I am not talking behind your back. I am not jumping from admin pages to another, filling RfC cases etc. I just ask people to compare the copy vio page and the alleged page. I tell them copy vio im MY pov is unaproporate. I have every right to do that. They compare and react. If a paragraph is indeed coppied from the site and is not on the canadian PD site, feel free to delete it. Just tell me exactly what you deleted so I can rewrite and re add knowlege back to the article. Please do not remove everything but only the copy vio material, just because a paragraph (Id love to know which) is violating "copyrights" (who owns copyrights?) doesnt mean you get to delete everything. All images on the article with the exeption of two are from the same US PD source. Just google image search for the image file names. The other two, one is fair use of areal picture of ataturk dam and other is a graph created by a felow wiki user which replaced the "bad" us gov graph. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 01:00 (UTC)


 * Finaly, I do think your judgement is unfair. You are in error, partialy if not completely. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 01:05 (UTC)


 * What was my error? Not taking anonymous granting of copyright licensing? Do you honestly believe that Wikipedia should accept anonymous granting of copyright licensing? And if you are really the author of the text in question, why didn't you note earlier that it was PD? --Duk 2 July 2005 01:17 (UTC)


 * You are talking about sending me an email, I haven't recieved any. Have you told me in my talk page that you mailed me something and I havent repplied to it. It might have been deleted among spam, who knows. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 11:42 (UTC)


 * You are welcome to send me every instance of what you think is a copy vio, preferably ones that arent on the canadian PD page. Oh and btw, please do not use the RfC page to discuss this matter, use the talk of same RfC page. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 12:55 (UTC)


 * The material you mailed me was not in the article on last delete. Note that I am not bothering to discuss on who wrote the older version of article and its copyright status because thats talking to the wall. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 15:04 (UTC)

A simmilar content existed however:

The primary objective of GAP is to normalise levels of development, income, and living standards between the southeastern region and other regions of Turkey. Creating economic and social opportunities and promoting business, GAP is transforming the region completely. Critical infrastructure, such as airports and highways, is being constructed to support the development of the region. GAP will provide jobs to an estimated 3.5 million people directly.

GAP will provide jobs. Airports and highways will be constructed. This isnt something adiyamanli.org made up. It was Turkish Gov's plans. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 15:07 (UTC)
 * Are Turkish Gov. plans PD? And did you note this when you first posted the article? Did you note this and provide a source when the copyvio was being evaluated? Or are you now, weeks later, trying to explain away you plagersim and copyright violations and paint yourself as a victim?--Duk 2 July 2005 15:12 (UTC)
 * This is ridiclous. You are calling names and making less sense each time. I ask you to stop calling me names in a civilised manner, I would hope to see a civilised reaction. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 18:18 (UTC)

I would have thought you would make sure material that apears to be copy vio is not in any PD sites so as not to clutter copy vio system. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 15:21 (UTC)
 * If you want to used previously published material in Wikipedia it's up to you to identify the source, its licence and to note all of this on the article's talk page. Do this BEFORE you copy, not weeks after the copyvio has been processed--Duk 2 July 2005 15:36 (UTC)
 * Right, for me I just copy pasted material in a TXT file in my hard drive. Later found an image on google image search. You obvioulsy dont believe me, or do not want to believe me (I do not rally care). We are discussing the latest version of the article not an elder version. I am not accepting violating copyights, I am not fighting for the elder version either. Just to satisfy you, or people like you (other copy vio people), I rewote the article. Not once but twice. Deleting the article only annoys me. Instead if you just told me whats violating copyrights (like your mail) I would have been more than happy to fix anything that supposively violating copyrights. This way everyone including me would be happy. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 18:18 (UTC)
 * Coolcat, its not the job of the administrators clearing copyright violations to re-write the articles, they revert or delete. See the instructions at WP:CP. You claim you re-wrote the version that I reverted, but before reverting I still found substantial copyright violations. This might have been an honest mistake on your part, but I explained my actions on the talk page, and many times since then. I want you to stop saying that reverting this page and deleting the history that contained copyright violations was a mistake. And I want you to remove #5 from your RFC. Stop lying.--Duk 2 July 2005 18:45 (UTC)
 * I tried to reason with you, but you are a wall. Keep calling names, its rather amusing. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 18:52 (UTC)
 * Coolcat, your re-write still contained copied text, thats why it was reverted, and the history pages deleted. It's not the duty of the administrators evaluating copyright violations to re-write articles.--Duk 2 July 2005 19:14 (UTC)

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 * Because of you deleting the article I lost all my work. I had to beg admins to get the original text back so I could continue improving it. You should not be deleting an ENTIER page so as to remove a paragraph or 4 sentences. You sould be cooperating rather than fighting. Fighting will only annoy me and when you annoy me and when I react to that I am likely to annoy you, I rather evade conflict as much as I can. Dont get me wrong I am NOT accusing you of anything, you are trying to do your job. I am trying to write an article. I cant do that when its beeing deleted this frequently. I want to write an article. I want to make sure it stays. So I want to write an article no one will have anyway of complaining about copy vios and povs. I cant achieve that if I am just not told anything instead of my edits being removed. Copy vio? What is copy vio? You should have the time to do this. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 19:40 (UTC)


 * You do not want to damage wikipedia. You are trying to do the opposite, improve wiki by removing copy vios. I support that behavior. However do not ask me to accept insults such as me being a "lier", I oppose such behavior. I want to satisfy the issue with the article so that what apears as a copy vio will not be an issue. I cannot keep rewriting the article from scratch just to watch it get deleted. Please understand and acknowlege my stand as I am acknowleging your stand. I agree to rewrite what apears to be me copying material from adiyamanli.org so as to evade conflict. It is a waiste of time for me but this actualy improves the article. Also makes everyone happy. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 19:40 (UTC)

You mean you havent deleted the latest version? If so who did? --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 19:43 (UTC)

Oooook. Sorry for screaming and annoying you. GAP Project is being very stressfull for me. The stress I get from the people I discuss in RFC isnt helping either. Now, I am not trying to get the older version which you rightfully can mark as copy vio as identical material was on the alleged page. It was also on a PD page. If you, or some other copy vio warrior was investigating the article they would have seen the PD resource and never bother Copyvioing the page. Regardless... I did rewrite the page so I really don't want to discuss the older version(s). Just please don't mark me as a repetive offender as I don't believe I am one. My problem is not with you, but with the two people on RfC bothering me. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 21:02 (UTC)

You may also read the material I placed on discussion. I will cross out my comments regarding gap project as you requested. I am not acknowleging that "I am an offender" though by doing so. --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 21:05 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry we had this confusion and I apologise for my strong language. --Duk 2 July 2005 21:24 (UTC)


 * It was my fault as well, I should have checked the delete logs. :( --Cool Cat My Talk 2 July 2005 21:32 (UTC)

Problem with Khan Pagan
You have helped me before, so can you help again, or better yet teach me how to help myself? :-) Just like before with Khan Sabin a page I wrote about Khan Pagan has disappeared from the Wiki Universe. It points to the disambiguation pages but my article has disappeared.

Is it gone forever? How do I retrieve it back?

The Help documentation of Wiki is something I seam to not be able to follow. It points to each and every way and I can never find anything useful. I failed to understand how you fixed Sabin for me too.

Thanks,

George

Diagnosis: Murder
Since you asked... One web site had only one sentence coppied from it which I did reword. The other, had about a paragraph. The latter one is the one I asked permision from. I do not remember the urls. If you could post me the two urls as they apeared on the ex copy vio notice, I can easily tell you which one it is. --Cool Cat My Talk 3 July 2005 04:16 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I don't enjoy to be screamed at. Like I told you, I do not care about the article. I was not in the know of copyright procedure at the time, I have a learning curve. I haven't denied for one second my approach to topic was flawed, I should have aquired and presented copyright info before "writing" the article. Do not bite newbies applies as I was a newbie back then. I asked her if I could use it. She said yes. No one told me how to ask for permission so I asked for it with best of my abilities and knowlege which is far from perfect. It doesn't create a positive enviorment when a bunch of people scream at you as "thief!" "thief!", rather than an explanation. --Cool Cat My Talk 3 July 2005 23:00 (UTC)
 * Sorry for bothering you, it wasn't intentional. I am a victim in the only sense that I didn't know how to ask for permission no one assisted me. I am not an arch-angel either. Sorry for all the trobble I caused you.  --Cool Cat My Talk 3 July 2005 23:00 (UTC)
 * I can't still explain you what website this came from becuase:
 * a) I do not have the text in question, us non admins cant access deleted material. --Cool Cat My Talk 3 July 2005 23:00 (UTC)
 * b) I do not remember the urls either. --Cool Cat My Talk 3 July 2005 23:00 (UTC)
 * I will NOT try another administrator. I do NOT care if it stays deleted or not. What part of this do you not understand? You asked to resolve the issue not me. You innitiated the discussion not me. I was wrong yes, I later made it right, or at least tried. --Cool Cat My Talk 3 July 2005 23:00 (UTC)
 * I am not going to respond to the 3rd bullet. Frankly words are too strong for me to respond politely, so I wont. However, like I said above I apologise for causing you a mess. I would not want an apology in return as you haven't done anything wrong aside from biting the ex-newbie (at the time). Dealing with so many copy vio cases you just dont want to deal with newbies which is understandable, but still breaks my heart. --Cool Cat My Talk 3 July 2005 23:00 (UTC)

FYI, the reason I feal victimies is the lack of response I recieved to the email I pasted to the talk page of Dıagnosıs Murder. --Cool Cat My Talk 6 July 2005 12:39 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks, Duk, for your support of my RfA. I also appreciate your compliment on my work on welding. I'm glad that others find my contributions useful, and I hope I continue to be a helpful part of the community now that I'm an administrator. --Spangineer (háblame)  July 4, 2005 02:43 (UTC)

You begrudge me defending myself?
Tony wrote on Talk:Coolcat;

''This is utterly mind-boggling. A copied sentence, a copied paragraph? These are not matters for the copyright lawyers! --Tony Sidaway|Talk''


 * It's not a matter of a simple copyvio, but rather, the non-stop complaining, for months afterwards, where Coolcat claims he's been mistreated. He hasn't been mistreated (with regards to Dianosis:Murder). Yet over and over Coolcat cites Diagnosis:Murder as evidence of his mistreatment, blaming the copyvio people who can't read size 28 text and misrepresenting the situation. Tony, do you begrudge me defending myself? I'm not the one who has kept this alive. --Duk 6 July 2005 00:11 (UTC)


 * In answer to your straight question: no, of course I don't begrudge you defending yourself. My point is that as far as I can tell you're going way OTT in your interpretation of copyright law.  Now I really have no idea what his beef is with you or yours with him, but I think I do know a little bit about copyright law.  ---Tony Sidaway|Talk 6 July 2005 00:33 (UTC)


 * With regards to Coolcat, as I've told you before, I've done everything in my power to avoid him since dealing with his copyvios, the exception being when defending myself. My only beef with him is that he keeps claiming I mistreated him when resolving his copyvios. Oh, I should mention, more than once I have suggested to other administrators, who were looking into Coolcat's complaints, that I would step aside if they wanted to re-evaluate Coolcat's copyvios (Frazzydee and Ugen64). None have. I'd like to pass the same suggestion to you, although this should go without saying, being a wiki and all.


 * With regards to copyvios, I think your ideas are a little out of line; an uncited sentence or paragraph length copyvio isn't acceptable, especially when it makes a significant portion of the article. But I'm not going to argue with you about this any more. I suggest you take it up on the mailing list, or at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems instead of arguing with me. There are lots of people at those places that probably know more than both of us :) --Duk 6 July 2005 01:00 (UTC)