User talk:Dumarest/Archive2

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Archive page formed. The start of the original user page copied back to this followup, as well as the image wrap item. The French Wiki and the Source were at the end of the original and have been put back. --Dumarest (talk) 18:27, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Wrapping around images
This is just a copy and paste from the help desk, where it is now almost gone. Self explanatory, but I am puzzled.

Refer to Sex and the City current page. In the 'Overview of Characters' section the image is to the right of the first character paragraph, but below it is a large white space forcing the entire second character paragraph to the left. I have, to my satisfaction, confirmed that this is because the image enters into the vertical space of that paragraph, and also I think I am satisfied that a paragraph like the second, with a '*' at the beginning, will not wrap around an image. Confirm, explain, or whatever - the extra white block I would prefer to get rid of. --Dumarest 13:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it is something that just happens. When looking at the syntax I don't see any different between other images on other pages. Vagish T CVPS 16:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Make sure you are watching at fullscreen resolution and not in a small window. When you are watching a page in a smaller window, the layout can easily get smashed up. _ Mgm|(talk) 22:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that initial character. A paragraph with that will not wrap. Compare a later image on that page, Region 1 Edition of Complete Set, near the bottom. It goes into the next paragraph, which wraps. Now go to the first image and pull in the sides of the window - when it is narrow enough, so the text takes more lines, at some point the text of the first paragraph extends beyond the bottom of the image, and boom! the extra white space below the image disappears. It is that marker of the paragraphs at this point in the article. --Dumarest 11:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello. On my monitor the Carrie, Charlotte and Miranda paragraphs all are wrapping on the left of the image.  Is it possible that it is your browser?  Are you experiencing the same behaviour with other images? --After Midnight 0001 21:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll be! I use FireFox, but IE does wrap! --Dumarest 11:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, so we are narrowing it down. Perhaps there is a setting in FireFox that you can adjust?  I just switched from IE to FF and it still works for me, so hopefully there is a setting that will help. --After Midnight 0001 02:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

French Wikipedia
What do I need to do [or request done] to copy an article from the French Wikipedia to this English Wiki?? --Dumarest 20:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you read French? If you do, you can simply translate it yourself. I would suggest setting up a user-sandbox to work before you transfer it over. (See my sandbox at User:Revolving Bugbear/sandbox -- I'm currently translating parts of Austrofascism from the German Wikipedia.) Be sure to include the references if you do this.


 * If you don't read French, and you would like to request that someone else translate it, you can post your request at Translation. There are specific instructions there, but I would be happy to assist further.


 * Cheers! - Revolving Bugbear  (formerly Che Nuevara) 20:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

What is a valid source [book]
I am the principal person re the Lincoln Academy page. I wish to expand it, but the material is in a 'book' prepared by the Academy and available there [and maybe [probably] in local libraries]. Can that be a valid source to add material to that page? Or, similar, could school yearbooks be valid sources?? --Dumarest (talk) 21:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Not likely, as it's best to include third-party sources before using primary sources such as a publication from the school. Once several third-party sources have been included per WP:RS, then you could possibly provide that book as a source. I would not consider a yearbook to be a reliable source in any event, as they are generally created by students and by nature have a biased point of view in favor of the school. I hope this helps some. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 22:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Twelfth amendment
[Text of the amendment] This is the paragraph name of a piece for the talk page on the 12th amendment. Now, I need an editor or such, with stature. This is an issue of actual ACTUAL text, and I am not an expert. The source I used seems authoritative, and the ACTUAL text ought not to be edited and changed. What should I do? Can that section of this page be locked, and not available to edit? Should I edit over and over again to the CORRECT text, if in fact the source I use is the actual text?? Help for the way to go is needed.--Dumarest (talk) 01:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have reverted the ip's changes. You do not need to manually retype text. First, you can revert an article to a prior version. Please see Help:Reverting. In situations where some time has passed and there are all types of intermediate changes that shouldn't be reverted, you can simply go to the article's history and use thr radio buttons to find the text addition you want to add back. Copy the text and then make the changes manually. In this case, I reverted to the version just before the ip's changes to the amendment text, and then manually added back one useful change that was lost.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have the text in text form on my computer, downloaded from the given site. My initial change, just copied and pasted. Easy to do, and I guess you agree that the text I put in is the real thing! --Dumarest (talk) 12:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I assumed it was:-) The ip who made the changes left no edit summary indicating his or her reason for making changes and I don't know if you are aware but we get thousands of vandalistic edits a day, many of them from ips (note though that they also make a large number of good edits as well). He or she may also have been...ahem...attempting to improve on the Constitution!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Twelfth amendment again
Why, in that page, does the {edit} choice for the section with the TEXT heading appear, not on the heading of the part, but at the second paragraph? --Dumarest (talk) 12:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * For the next responder, since I don't know how to fix it, if there is a fix: I think this has something to do with the way certain browsers configure the page for display when the edit tab is next to images on the side; the problem is apparent in both Firefox and Safari, but the page displays fine in Internet Explorer.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:00, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a problem I've seen on numerous pages, and as Fuhghettaboutit says, it seems to be linked with right-aligned images. I'm not sure how to predict when it will happen, though. There doesn't seem to be a fix for it for now other than to move the images. - Revolving Bugbear  16:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism reverts
Hi,

You recently reverted some vandalism to John Brown Russwurm, which is great. A further point though, you reverted the most recent vandalism done here, but the IP address had been busy, and actually vandalized twice, here is the earlier vandalism, immediately before the one you reverted. As a general note, it's a good idea to check how far back any vandalism goes, so you can revert to the last good version. WLU (talk) 15:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I should have thought of that - I have seen such before. Acted too rapidly. --Dumarest (talk) 15:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Meh. I only think to do so myself because I was reminded by other users.  It's all part of the circle of life.  Incidentally, I'm planning on going through the Russwurm page to embed most of the references as in-line citations.  Just an FYI.  WLU (talk) 15:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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 * I have no objection to removing that image - on the Blind Lemon Jefferson article it has already been replaced, and I have put that valid image on the only article that used this image. --Dumarest (talk) 18:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

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 * Already said - dead, gone, fini, delete it, no complaint, gone gone GONE! --Dumarest (talk) 01:39, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Editing an image in Commons
I know I have done this, and it can be done, but I cannot now find the details. --Dumarest (talk) 11:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What exactly are you trying to do? Change the image? Change the description or name?  Gtstricky Talk or C 14:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You can click on the link at the bottom "edit this file with an outside application," which should work fine. Or you can just download the image, crop or modify as seems best, and re-upload it.  Or, if it's the "Winter in the Brig" image you're referring to, I'd be happy to crop or adjust it myself, just let me know.  Clevelander96 (talk) 15:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I would be glad to do that, but this image - the "Winter in the Brig" - has no edit link on the bottom. Maybe because it is in Commons? Other images have such an edit choice, and I have edited images before. --Dumarest (talk) 18:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

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 * Take it out - what I intended was not what happened, and that image should be deleted.--Dumarest (talk) 17:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry this caused a bother! I'm not sure what you'd wanted to do -- I guess just to crop the image? In any case, I've added the information to the cropped version so that it shouldn't be in danger of being deleted. In the meantime, I can just upload the cropped version, too, to the Commons, and tag it an an alternate version, so you won't have to worry about this one. Clevelander96 (talk) 18:32, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Lincoln Inauguration
Fine, take a look at Image:LincolnI2ndInnauguration.jpg

I have entered all the information, but editing the page does not get it to where it should be, and the 'fix this' stuff is still there. How should I have done this??? --Dumarest (talk) 23:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * On which page exactly ? can you point me to it.Mion (talk) 23:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LincolnI2ndInnauguration.jpg --Dumarest (talk) 23:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The date, is the upload date, nothing to do, for the media part "if possible" you don't have to fill it in. for the other question, where should it go ? Mion (talk) 23:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Most important, you gave it the right license, and you mentioned the source, where you got it, if questions come up, people will contact you. Cheers. Mion (talk) 23:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * next time, considder uploading to commons, so other projects also benefit from the image and try to put the right category at the bottom so people can find the image better if they need it. Cheers. Mion (talk) 23:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried going to Commons, but it asked me [repeatedly] to log in - and I am logged into Wikipedia - but is the log in to Commons a separate thing? No way could I upload to Commons. I wanted to. --Dumarest (talk) 00:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * commons is a different project, you have to create a new account there and then login on the new account Mion (talk) 00:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Bambi - confusion
If one goes to the Wikipedia Project Disney, you will find what may still be the last entry, from me. That seems the place to go to bring up the problem with the Bambi article, but I am not fully familiar with the plot and such - except that I am pretty sure there is no 'Ronno' in it. That, and the Bambi II piece, need serious editorial examination, in my opinion. --Dumarest (talk) 13:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello... It does look like that project has little activity. I would suggest you pick an editor or two on the talk page that look active and place a request for their help on their talk page. Unfortunately, I know little about the subject.  Gtstricky Talk or C 14:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * User talk:Lighthope seems to have done a bit of work on the Bambi II page and might be able to help.  Gtstricky Talk or C 14:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There is indeed a character named "Ronno" in Disney's Bambi. I don't know the film especially well myself, but there is a pretty thorough plot summary/synopsis you can get at the IMdB's site here. Clevelander96 (talk) 17:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ronno was indeed in Bambi II. He was Bambi's rival for Faline's affection.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lighthope (talk • contribs) 05:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

İmambayıldı
Hi, Dumarest. As you could see, I moved the article İmam bayıldı to İmambayıldı a short while ago. In fact, the latter is the real spelling in Turkish. You can verify here. But I still cannot be sure of what we should do for the English spelling. What do you think? --Chapultepec (talk) 21:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

That's not the way to move a page. If you can convince me, I can do it also. Let's discuss it here first. --Chapultepec (talk) 21:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Or, if you would like to, we can continue to discuss in the article's talk page, whatever you like. --Chapultepec (talk) 21:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * All the references I noted in my editing had the space. Two were English publications, one was in English but dealing with Arabic. I also have seen a site in Turkish [YouTube, sorry I did not save it] where the space is there. It is an open question, but if it is with the space, then a number of redirects have to be fixed and I am not au courant on that. What do you think? --Dumarest (talk) 21:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, you acted incorrectly filling up the article İmam bayıldı, if we decide to move back the article to İmam bayıldı, I think we will be in need of an administrator. Anyway, no problem. As for the spelling, the real Turkish spelling is İmambayıldı. Do not ever trust what you read in YouTube. The source that I supplied is the official dictionary of Turkish Language Association. As for the English spelling, if we will really use that one, then we should use the term Imam bayildi rather than İmam bayıldı. Or else, if we will use the Turkish spelling, then the article should be named İmambayıldı. Thanks. --Chapultepec (talk) 21:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Meanwhile, please do not panic :) I'm not a stubborn one. I just wanna find out the best we can do to choose the appropriate spelling. --Chapultepec (talk) 21:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I have gone to my cookbook collection, obviously in English. The two that I can find with Turkish recipes that include this dish have the space, but that is a minimal consideration. I am not convinced either way. And what is meant by 'filling up the article'? And I do not trust YouTube, but when the posting is in Turkish, it means more to me. Now, your text term [[Imam bayildi rather than İmam bayıldı ]] - the two terms in the  are the same, so what was meant? Let us not be in an edit war, I love imam bayildi, had it many times in Turkey, an administrator?? See to it ourselves. This is English Wiki, so maybe the blank is the way, but I have no real firm feeling.--Dumarest (talk) 21:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

So, I am still waiting for your answer :), what should we do about it? --Chapultepec (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I am on dialup, and it is slow slow slow Sorry. --Dumarest (talk) 21:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I understand you. I shall wait for your reply. --Chapultepec (talk) 22:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

What I meant was, so far as I know, if someone edits a redirect page, then it is impossible to redirect the main article to that page without the help of an administrator. For this reason I mentioned about the need of an administrator.

In fact, the question to be asked here should be whether there is a term like "Imam bayildi" in the English vocabulary. If there is actually, then the article's name must be "Imam bayildi", without hesitation. Otherwise, if there is not a word like "Imam bayildi" in the English language, and the term used in the references supplied in the article is just a transliteration from Turkish, then we can omit them. Because surely the transliteration does not conform to the Turkish counterpart.

As for YouTube, you can be sure not to rely on YouTube, especially for the ones in the Turkish language :), because I run across lots of spelling mistakes there, very often. I repeat, the source that I supply is the official dictionary of the Turkish language. I have given the link once again, here it is.

As for the terms, Imam bayildi and İmam bayıldı, of course these are not the same. The first one is the pure English spelling, and the latter is the Turkish one, with the letters "İ" and "ı", which is non-existent in English. So, if will prefer the English spelling for the name of the article, then is should be "Imam bayildi", just like the one in the references. Otherwise, if we will prefer the original Turkish spelling, then the name of the article should be "İmambayıldı", because this one is the correct spelling in Turkish.

As for an edit war, you can be sure that I won't be in such a struggle. Thanks. --Chapultepec (talk) 22:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

This, in a sense, finishes the conflict, at least in English: See more articles from The Oxford Essential Dictionary of Foreign Terms in English imam bayildi

From The Oxford Essential Dictionary of Foreign Terms in English imam bayildi noun phrase (also Imam Bayildi) M20 Turkish ( imam bayildi, literally, ‘the imam fainted’). A dish, originating in Turkey, consisting of eggplant stuffed with a ... --Dumarest (talk) 22:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh really, that was what I was searching for!!! It means that there is a term like "Imam bayildi" in English. Then, the name of the article should be "Imam bayildi" rather than İmam bayıldı or İmambayıldı. Now, please do not make any edits on the related article. I will try to move it to Imam bayildi. But please be around, because I will have a request from you. Thanks.
 * As for the terms, [[Imam bayildi and İmam bayıldı, of course these are not the same. The first one is the pure English spelling, and the latter is the Turkish one, with the letters "İ" and "ı", which is non-existent in English.]]--Chapultepec (talk) 22:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh hell, on my computer they look identical, but if I use a magnifying glass, then I can see the difference! --Dumarest (talk) 22:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

In fact, there is a difference, and if the term is in the English language, then we should correct the spelling accordingly.

Next, as I told you, I couldn't make the move, now I will try to find an admin to realize it. Meanwhile, I have a request from you before you go. Would you please kindly place the reference you newly found, namely The Oxford Essential Dictionary of Foreign Terms in English, to the article İmambayıldı? --Chapultepec (talk) 22:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I will be around but not tonight - pizza in the next town seems good!!!--Dumarest (talk) 22:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes --Dumarest (talk) 22:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I went to your user page - did not post. From Istanbul? I remember on that ship from Troy to Stamboul, sitting in our car that was being ferried, and no passenger tickets as such, watching the soldiers [new, draftees?] on the deck below us. And coming into to Constantinople at sunset, and realizing that MUST have been what the Crusaders saw as they come north - an experience that we cannot forget - man, woman, 2-yr old, 10 month old. This was in 1966, no bridge, it was that expanse of water and the mosques and all to the west in the sunset. Oh, it gives me chills now.--Dumarest (talk) 22:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, from Istanbul, and still in Istanbul. A lot of things changed now. In fact I was born the year later you have been here. But I can understand your feelings.

Meanwhile, I have seen that you added the reference to the article. It will be much of use. Thanks again. --Chapultepec (talk) 22:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:John cowdery kendrew.jpg
has been listed at commons:Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at. --Mormegil (talk) 09:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Glad to, but I cannot log in to the Commons. --Dumarest (talk) 19:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Sickle-cell
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Sullins College
Take a look at the page I recently entered, Sullins College, and particularly the talk page. You will see my comments about reference source. Where do I go to examine that problem?? --Dumarest (talk) 20:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Response will be on that talk page. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 23:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

hummus
I see you've started adding material re origins. I have already mentioned on the talk page that I have a draft paragraph over at User:Peter cohen/sandbox This has citations which your current material is lacking. WHere have you sourced your material?--Peter cohen (talk) 20:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw your paragraph, and probably both yours and my information would be useful. I did this in a hurry, leaving for a meeting, so it is hidden, but it is fully sourced and the reference will be added before any hiddeness is removed. --Dumarest (talk) 11:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I'm hwppy for you to merge it with what you're preparing. So all can be unmasked together. Of course, one fo the contributors on the talk page is all for deleting the history of the ingredients form the article. If he(?) finds the source which is meant to put the dish's origin in Damascus, we may find all our work removed.--Peter cohen (talk) 12:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. Sorry, I've taken a while to notice your update to my sandbox. Feel free to merge things.--Peter cohen (talk) 19:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Image:Bridget moynahan int.jpg
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 * I know. I don't know why he deleted that one in April.  Ask him. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)



At this time, that image seems to be not the one I uploaded, which was under a proper [as far as I know] attribution. It may have been replaced by the one he deleted, and now that one is gone too. --Dumarest (talk) 18:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * See User_talk:Infrogmation. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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Hummus pic
I do like, which you restored (and apprently took yourself), more. Cheers. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Sandbox moved
Hi Dumarest,

Your new sandbox accidentally landed in the article space at Dumarest:Sandbox. I have moved it to a user subpage at User:Dumarest\Sandbox. Kind regards, Excirial ( Talk, Contribs ) 15:44, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Obviously I did not know how to do what I wanted. --Dumarest (talk) 16:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Obviously I did not know what to do. I went to the link re 'sandbox' in the edit box as I was editing the hummus article, and got a lot of stuff about sandboxes in general, but I obviously failed in creating the kind of sandbox I needed, one linking to me and re the article that was being edited. The help and/or material seems not to be clear.--Dumarest (talk) 18:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want to create a sandbox or any sub-page of your user page, you can just create a page at User:Dumarest/name of sandbox. You do know how to create articles, right? Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I can create articles, have done so a number of times, but I thought a sandbox was some kind of special thing. And I 'created' one and it was not what I wanted [see first entry in this message item]. And I have seen what seem to be sandboxes with not '/' but ':' after the user name. Confused me. --Dumarest (talk) 23:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Ibeji
See the image Ibeji.jpg. Renaming is indicated. I would be happy to, but am not sure I can even though it is my image. The Commons image is different, and it should stay as named with its links, and the ibeji image of mine should be renamed and retain its links as currently in place. Thanks for any help. --Dumarest (talk) 13:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm getting "image not found". Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 15:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want to rename the image, you'll have to tag that one for speedy deletion (probably db-author) and re-upload it with a different name. That's the only way I know of to rename an image. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 15:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, try this again. The image is at Ibeji, so maybe one can get at the image itself to see what the problem is.--Dumarest (talk) 20:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:IbejiTwins.jpg [fixed June 2008]is the link. If all you are wanting to do is rename, then do as  Ten Pound Hammer  suggested above and request deletion with db-author, then upload again the same description and licensing under a different name (such as Image:Ibeji2.jpg). — Huntster (t • @ • c) 21:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Very good title. And nice photo as well :)  Those would be some amazing pieces to own. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 07:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons
Thank you for uploading images/media to Wikipedia! There is, however, another Wikimedia Foundation project called Wikimedia Commons, a central media repository for all free media. In the future, please consider creating an account and uploading your media there instead. That way, all of the other language Wikipedias can use them too, as well as our many sister projects. This will also allow our visitors to search for, view and use our media in one central location. If you wish to move previous uploads to Commons, see Moving images to the Commons (you may view images you have previously uploaded by going to your user contributions on the left and choosing the 'image' namespace from the drop down box). Please note that non-free content, such as images claimed as fair use, cannot be uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons. Help us spread the word about Commons by informing other users, and please continue uploading! --OsamaK 06:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Triangle trade
Note the entry I have made. I know that a ref can be given a name, and then just reused by name, but is there a way for this operation to work, not for the identical reference but for the identical reference except for the page cited? --Dumarest (talk) 17:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that you can't do this unfortunately. :-)  Stwalkerster  [  talk  ]  20:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)