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Laverdure?
Not Tanguy's mate from The Aeronauts then? ;O)Keith-264 (talk) 21:35, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I had to look that one up - that comic's a new one on me. I'll keep an eye out for it though, looks like a good way to improve my French! - Dumelow (talk) 22:49, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXLII, February 2018
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Assessing
Hi Dumelow. When I have come across articles which have needed little work I have simply done it, self assessed it and moved on. Similarly there have been a couple of articles which I have tagged as MilHist and assessed. I assume that this is appropriate but you may wish to have a check to see that I am assessing appropriately - I am relatively new. Thanks. HMS Tapageur (1779), Gąsawa massacre and its talk page, Talk:Battle of the Tiger's Mouth, Talk:205th Tactical Fighter Squadron (JASDF) et al. Cheers Gog the Mild (talk) 11:33, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the beer! The guidelines are that you are generally OK to self-assess up to C-class, but advised to seek external views at WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Requests for B-class assessment if you have made major contributions to the article (though what classes as a major improvement is questionable).  Note that it is acceptable to change another editor's assessment against the checklist (articles change, un-referenced information is added, some information removed, our standards for assessment change or the original reviewer made an error).  For example for the two B-class articles you listed I would have knocked HMS Tapageur (1779) back to a no on B1 for referencing (some uncited information at the ends of paragraphs) and 205th Tactical Fighter Squadron (JASDF) on B2 for coverage as it is very short, even for a squadron in existence for only 15 years.  The whole process is fairly subjective and different editors will have different opinions, so it's not set in stone - in any case no one is going to get too worried about a B-class assessment, it is mainly so we can keep track of what improvements are required to meet a "decent standard" article.  You are doing a great job improving all these articles, keep up the good work! - Dumelow (talk) 12:40, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That's very helpful. I am trying to avoid the temptation to self assess if my input was much more than a copy edit or a duplication of existing material such as transferring it to a lead or an infobox. (If it were much more I'd be tempted to enter it in the contest anyway.) Where I am falling down is in being reluctant/tunnel visioned when it comes to knocking back an existing grade. Your comments will, hopefully, serve as a corrective to that. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:33, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi again. A couple of things. Just for the avoidance of doubt, I am not counting all of those damned conquistadors for the competition. I think that I have listed 6 from the 14 which I have put up for assessment. It just seemed a shame not to clear the lot out of the way whilst I was looking at them, and I was cognisant of your comments above about not assessing my own work at B class. I am watching with interest to see just how much 'meat' there needs to be on an otherwise acceptable article for it to get over the line to B class. If you would like me to use what I have already picked up to mark the thinner ones down on B2 and save you the job let me know.
 * I have come across over a dozen US warships with no referencing at all, but "This article incorporates text from the public domain Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships." at the bottom. In all cases B1 was set to 'yes'. Eg USS Marcus Island. Does this qualify as "It is suitably referenced, and all major points have appropriate inline citations."? I assume not, but I am wary of undoing several dozen assessor decisions.
 * Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:26, 15 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Gog. I have never entered the competition so have no idea how it works!  I wouldn't worry too much about not assessing your own work when changing the individual checks.  After all if you change a check to yes for grammar and no for coverage the article assessment will stay the same (broadly, it might switch between start and c-class automatically through the template).  It is only in assessing an article as B-class (ie all checks as yes) that  that you need to be a bit careful about promoting your own work.
 * With regards the latter point. I tend to mark such articles as no for B1 as I think that each fact should be verifiable.  Otherwise there is no way to tell if someone has entered some nonsense in the middle of the text and everyone assumes it has come from the reliable PD source - this is the reason why, as you say, the guidelines say inline citations are needed. Some people may have different opinions but there is no issue with being bold, changing the assessment and providing your reasoning in the edit summary.  Editors can always enter discussions afterwards if they have different opinions, the fix could be as simple as converting the attribution text to a proper inline citation and just citing each paragraph (though the person making that change would need to check that the source backs up everything in that paragraph) - Dumelow (talk) 20:29, 15 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you again. I have down checked the 5 thinnest conquistadors on B2 and removed them from the assessment requests. I have as you suggested marked the uncited US Navy articles down on B1; I have also tagged them as unreferenced while leaving a, hopefully, friendly message on their talk pages. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:31, 16 February 2018 (UTC)


 * It would seem appropriate that I help out by assessing some of the other items on the assessment requests page. But I am not sure what the requirements are. You probably have a reasonable idea of my skills. Would you say that I was up to it? I won't be the slightest bit offended if you say no, and there is no need to be especially tactful. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:02, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I would say go for it. We all have to start somewhere and you seem to have a reasonable grasp of what is required.  You can just choose the articles on the review list that you are comfortable with (eg. those that you think are clearly B class).  If you want some practice there are loads of articles listed at Category:Military history articles with missing B-Class checklists, Category:Military history articles with incomplete B-Class checklists and Category:Unassessed military history articles that need assessing and many will be more clear cut than those listed in the requested review section - Dumelow (talk) 21:42, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I will have a go, and any that I have doubts on I will quietly step away from.
 * Excellent advice. I have already had a go at 2 or 3 from each of those. :) Gog the Mild (talk) 02:54, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Well! That was a pleasant way to start a day. WikiChevrons! It is still giving me a warm glow. I am taking it as a quality control approval mark. Thank you. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:25, 19 February 2018 (UTC)


 * My current aim is to push down the total articles outstanding in the only need structure and only need grammar categories. (They make good training articles for me and it is an achievable aim.) One irritation is a possible bug. Do you have any idea why 14th Ohio Infantry is showing under articles needing attention only to structure when that has been ticked - the negative issues are referencing and grammar? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:25, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It had in its category section in the article space.  Because this is a talk page only category it doesn't show up on the list of cats at the bottom of the article but does add it to the category.  On a related note if you want to link to a category (like you did in your message above) you need to add a colon before the "category:..." bit.  Eg: Category:Military history articles needing attention only to structure .  Alternatively enclosing it in    tags will stop the software from encoding it as a category (but won't link the reader to the page).  Otherwise you add the page in question to the category - my talk page was in the above category until I edited your comment!  Hope that makes sense, categories get a bit complicated - Dumelow (talk) 20:43, 19 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Oops. Only just noticed this. Categories are a bit of a mystery to me, but at least reading through your comments and edit gives me some things not to do.
 * A query. I have been doing some GA assessing. (If you would like to quality control me let me know and I'll let you have a list of the articles. (I officially have a mentor, but that doesn't seem to be working out, unless silence implies content.)) I was browsing looking for GANs in my knowledge area when I came upon Safavid Georgia. Probably a bit long for me. But the big issue is that in the long list of "Safavid valis, khans, and vassals" there is only one reference. I would have expected at least one per line. What would your view be?
 * I have worked, well and cheerfully, with the editor on a couple of other articles and am wary of suggesting that they need a further 47 references when I know that I am shaky on the rules around lists. Your view would be much appreciated. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:16, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't have much experience with lists - I have written only one that I can remember. I tend to find that they unnecessarily break the flow of articles when included in the main text like this one.  It might be best if the list can be split out to a separate article: List of Safavid valis, khans, and vassals, or similar, and linked from the main article.  In terms of referencing I have seen it done a few different ways: sometimes each line is referenced with a footnote in a separate "reference" column; sometimes each column header is referenced to a single source and sometimes a note at the bottom of the table gives the reference for the whole lot.  I think if it is retained in the article each of the sub lists would need at least some form of this referencing for verifiability.  Like I say, I am far from an expert in this area though - Dumelow (talk) 01:21, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXLIII, March 2018
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Safavid Georgia
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 * Hi again. I am after some further advice. What else? I assessed Avar–Byzantine wars for GA. An easy pass. It has gone straight up for A class. I would like to comment as an A class assessor, but wondered if there it is frowned on to assess an article at both levels? (It is smack in one of my specialist areas and I have access to several sources not used in the article.) Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:06, 25 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Gog. It is not something I have come across before.  In my opinion no issue as an A-class review requires three supports/reviews before it can pass anyway.  It would be worth mentioning at the start of your review that you reviewed for GA just to make the other reviewers aware - Dumelow (talk) 08:59, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

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April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive
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 * Thanks so much for your input into my articles for Women in Red. It always helps to have another pair of eyes taking a look at content, etc. I also wanted to thank you for tagging my article about Mathilde Verspyck with the Milhist WikiProject. Just as a bit of background, I tagged Mathilde's article with Women in Red yesterday after posting, but had actually planned on waiting to tag Mathilde's article myself for Milhist and other WikiProjects and their related task forces until late today until after I'd had another chance to proof it. (I was up late into the wee hours researching more content, and wanted to do another round of proofing and editing this morning with a fresh brain and eyes just to make sure it was as ready as I felt it could be for review and assessment by the Milhist project.) I'll be heading back to editing of Mathilde's article this morning after I've had some coffee. Best wishes for continued success with your own research and writing! 47thPennVols (talk) 16:32, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi 47thPennVols. No worries, I keep an eye on WikiProject Women in Red/Military and it's great to see red links turning blue on there regularly.  Yourself and User:Deb are doing great work particularly on the WWII resistance fighters - I'm just glad to know if was worth my time going through and listing them all!  I am trying to knock a good few off the list myself but April has been a busier month than I anticipated.  - Dumelow (talk) 17:09, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Dumelow. The coffee appears to be working. (Smiling.) I just figured out what was bugging me about the section re: Mathilde's death. New revisions and citations added. I still have a tiny bit more I want to add, but I think the article's ready for classification. I'm thinking C-Class? 47thPennVols (talk) 17:17, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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Query
Hi. Hopefully I am throwing enough articles at B class peer review to justify that barnstar. And I managed to enter 13 articles into April's contest without having any ruled ineligible - phew! There is an issue which you may be able to help me with. I am trying to get a measure on just what is enough with regard to b2, coverage and accuracy. Specifically, HMS Claverhouse seems borderline to me. I reckon that it just fails b2. That said the article includes about all of the information there is on the topic. This issue seems to come up repeatedly for me and I would appreciate any comments you may have. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:06, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Just had a look at the contest page - nice work on getting all those articles to B-class (so many Romans!).  With regards the Claverhouse article I think you are right in that it is very close to B-class. However, for a facility that has been in use for almost 80 years (and recently at that) there ought to probably be a little more on its service history.  I had a look but couldn't find anything else written about it, I guess there might be something in local history books - but perhaps not.  These sorts of places are always a bit difficult, particularly as they often aren't "exciting" enough to leave a big footprint in the history books.  Maybe more will come to light in the future - sometimes when you revisit old articles a few years later new sources have sprung up seemingly out of nowhere.  One thing I did notice is that the passage below (from "Service history") didn't make sense to me.  Perhaps it was fragmented during your improvement work:
 * "Decommissioned on 15 August 1945, Claverhouse then became the Training Centre of the Forth Division but there was a Drill Ship as main base until decommissioning in 1958. Royal Naval Reserve, until the division was disbanded in 1994."
 * All the best - Dumelow (talk) 20:36, 2 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Last first. Thank you for not putting improvements in inverted commas. That piece of nonsense has survived from when the article was first written. Very well sourced it was too. I don't know how I missed it. Now sorted.


 * Good. Thank you. What I thought. About two sentences on 80 years just doesn't do it. Even if it is all that readily comes to hand. Thanks for that. I am doing a fair bit of B class and GA assessing (and a bit of A and FA) and saying no on an intangible sort of thing like what is enough coverage can be tricky. You have reassured me that I am taking broadly the right tack.


 * I came across a number of good prospects for working up to B class during the drive. Yes, quite a few were consuls. I have just put one in for GAN; he did become emperor, if only for 11 weeks. I have put 6 in for B class review so far this week, but with a broader range of topics.


 * Thanks again for the advice. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:24, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018
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Women in Red June Editathons
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Michael IV the Paphlagonian
Hi there. This is the latest article I am working towards B class, and possibly GA. It is not tagged for MilHist. I am not sure that leading the imperial army of 40,000 on a single campaign, albeit a successful one, is sufficient to qualify him. I would value your advice. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:12, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Gog, you are doing great work on all these Byzantine characters. I am afraid it is a bit out of my area of expertise, however I would say he qualifies for MILHIST - I think the campaign forms a significant enough part of his overall life.  I have dropped off in editing since the Milhist backlog drive but I am hoping to pick up again soon - I am keen to get the assessment backlogs vaguely back in hand (they actually grew during the backlog drive as so many new articles were tagged) and knock off a few articles I have had in sandboxes for a while - Dumelow (talk) 21:18, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the words of encouragement, and the advice. I thought that you had been a bit quiet. I reckon that I have had a surfeit of article assessing for a while (bar QPQ stuff at B class and GAN - I am trying to give 2 for 1 with the latter) from the drive. It was fun at first but became a bit of a chore maintaining focus towards the end. Still, you tempt me to while away an hour knocking off some hill forts. It would make a break from the Byzantine ghetto I seem to have trapped myself in. (I even turned a couple of hill forts in B's.) Gog the Mild (talk) 21:33, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know I get a bit fed up myself (so many stubby hill forts). Great work on Razing of Friesoythe by the way, very impressive to bring it from nothing to GA so quickly and it had a great outing on DYK.  If you get it to FA you'll qualify for the Four Award.  That reminds me to look at my list of potential GAs and FAs, its been far too long since I wrote one! - Dumelow (talk) 22:32, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It should be A class by now, but it is bogged down over US free use of the photos. I should probably go for different images, but those fit it so well. (Yeah, not to be presumptuous, but I have assessed two 4 award noms by way of advance QPQ .) Just done 14 hill forts; time for a break! Gog the Mild (talk) 22:51, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2018
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DYK for Maribel Parra de Mestre
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DYK for Conference of Dresden (1812)
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DYK nomination of Brimmon Oak
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018
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DYK for Alma M. Grocki
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DYK for Brimmon Oak
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DYK for Nucleus, the Nuclear and Caithness Archives
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Administrators' newsletter – July 2018
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXLVII, July 2018
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Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC)
Hi Dumelow. I hope that everything is going well with you. I haven't harassed you for a while so I thought that it was about time. I have done some work on Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC) and it has just been assessed as B class. I cannot decide whether it is a suitable candidate for a GAN. I have had 23 articles promoted to GA in the last 6 months, so I am getting a feel for the process, but this one seems borderline. I would appreciate it if you could give it a skim - NOT a pre-GAN check, just a quick look over - and let me know if a) I would be pushing my luck b) no reason why it couldn't be the basis of a GAN or c) it's on the margin, depends on the assessor and/or how much I can fluff it up. There are very few further facts which could be added. Many thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:25, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Gog, been a bit busy with work recently so haven't been editing so much. I see you are still doing great work on MILHIST articles.  I am by no means well acquainted with the ancient era but I have had a look over the Torquatus article and can't find much wrong with it (I would perhaps look to expand the "Epicurian" section or else integrate it into the rest of the article).  Don't worry about it being too short - there are plenty of "short" GAs of a similar style eg: Nikephoros Komnenos, Eustathios Daphnomeles, Manuel Erotikos Komnenos or Nikephoros Xiphias.  Demonstrating comprehensive coverage of what is available in reliable sources is the key - if the information doesn't exist the article may never get any longer.  I'd give it a shot at GAN if I were you - Dumelow (talk) 11:21, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Dumelow. Thanks for the response. It's not really an era question. I just don't want to be seen to push the boundaries with my GANs. And you have addressed that. Thank you. It pretty much exhausts the sources, expect, as you perceptively identify, the last section. I will go back to Cicero and either expand the section if it seems worthwhile, or, as you suggest, incorporate it elsewhere. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:24, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for King Oak
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Invitation to participate in study
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Administrators' newsletter – August 2018
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DYK for Robert Edgeworth-Johnstone
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Sycamore Gap Tree
Hi, well done with your new Sycamore Gap Tree article – it's great! I hope you don't mind that I've added a few tweaks and minor rewords. The main thing was to get away from using Whin Sill as the location – it's just too big! I've placed it by Crag Lough as it's between it and Milecastle 39, and a bit closer to the lake I think, judging from your grid ref. I hope this helps. Keep up the good work and Happy Editing! Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:27, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi DBaK. Thanks for your improvements to the article, I am by no means an expert so any outside input is greatly appreciated.  I think I must have got confused with Whins Hill, thinking it was the name of the specific outcrop not the designation of the whole geological formation, as you say it is rather big - Dumelow (talk) 10:09, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the lovely reply, and have a great day! Cheers DBaK (talk) 11:31, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Michael Martin (engineer)
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVIII, August 2018
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RUSI Journal oddity
That is very odd. Since it is 1878 and before copyright, the whole issue is free on Google Books. It shouldn't be in snippet view. Regardless, I'm glad that Bruce1ee got you the article. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 16:33, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Strange. I managed to get most of what I needed by searching the right phrases to "advance" the snippet along but was good to get the whole article anyway.  Thanks for your help - Dumelow (talk) 16:44, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Battalion of detachments
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ITN recognition for Rohan Daluwatte
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ITN recognition for David J. Sugarbaker
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Cheers, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2018
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ITN recognition for Gordon Phillips (footballer)
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ITN recognition for Marijan Beneš
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 07:13, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Alan Oakman
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Inspector General of the United States Army
Hi Dumelow. I wonder if I could impose on you to cast your eye over this? I may be getting into deep water (and/or making an idiot of myself) and I would like a more experienced pair of eyes looking over my shoulder. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:50, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


 * On further investigation it seems that the material is in the public domain. There is a general attribution notice - footnote 4. I am unsure how to handle the editor having cut and pasted entire paragraphs. In places I am doing a GA assessment on paragraphs to which the editor has made no input. If this is allowable, then fine. But it is not a situation I have come across before. If I should kick this at one of the MilHist coordinators, let me know. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:21, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Gog. The PD stuff is allowable in articles as long as it properly attributed as it appears to be here.  Generally I have found that in almost all cases it needs to be heavily edited or rewritten to fit in with Wikipedia style and to match the rest of the article.  Usually I find it easier to just treat them like any other source and write the content in my own words - particularly for FA and GA where consistency is more important.  There's a few guidelines available:

It's not something I have come across in many places though. It is more common to see an entire article copied from a PD encyclopedia or similar (with an attribution tag at the bottom) that is then gradually added to or edited to more closely resemble a traditional Wikipedia article - selective copying over of paragraphs as in this case is more unusual. I would review it as you would a normal GA but note that there may be more problems with the style of the content pasted over. From the looks of it there may be quite a bit of work to do on this article anyway to bring it to GA - Dumelow (talk) 13:37, 8 September 2018 (UTC)]
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 * Thanks for that. I had gone through the WP guides above, and others, but none seemed to touch on this situation. I shall proceed as you suggest. The last GAN I assessed for this editor also needed a fair bit of work, but it got there. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:44, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLIX, September 2018
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DYK for Reginald St John Battersby
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ITN recognition for Don Newman (basketball)
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 15:19, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
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DYK for Niel Gow's Oak
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of David Green (civil engineer)
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ITN recognition for James B. Thayer
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 13:12, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Enzo Calzaghe
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 13:12, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK query
Hi Dumelow. I hope that you are keeping well. I am, as usual, after some free advice. I have 25 DYK noms approved (23 on the main page so far), so I was looking at List of Wikipedians by number of DYKs. However, I am confused (I confuse easily) as to the distinction between "DYK creations and expansions" and "DYK nominations", if any. I wonder if you could clarify if I am eligible to put my name on one, none or both of these lists. In case it is useful, my list of DYK noms and main page confirmations is here. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:16, 23 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Gog, all good thanks. I am away from my computer so can't do too much on here but hopefully can answer your query: It'll be the creations and expansions list you'll want, I think. The nominations list is for those who successfully nominate articles written by others - Dumelow (talk) 12:26, 23 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Ah. Enlightenment dawns. I didn't even know that you could do that. Many thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:28, 23 September 2018 (UTC)


 * It used to be more common back before the QPQ system came in (even after that there were a few years when QPQs were waived for those nominating articles written by others). I lament its decline a little as I think it was a good tool to recognise new editors. My first DYK was nominated by somebody else and I wasn't even aware of the process before then - Dumelow (talk) 12:34, 23 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Ah. Yes. I can think of several articles by others I would have liked to have nominated. Hey ho, progress rolls on. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:48, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Vitaliy Masol
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 08:25, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Hungry Tree
Hello! Your submission of Hungry Tree at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Rigadoun (talk) 16:33, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The issue is of course the QPQ. You're active in enough things at once that I worry it would get lost, so just be sure to note in the nomination when you've had a chance to review one. Rigadoun (talk) 16:33, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Mike Labinjo
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 18:58, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Hawker (British Army officer)
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Your drafts
I have been mindlessly scrolling through links, and I came across several of your userspace drafts that seemed very interesting. I was wondering if you would object to me working on some of them. I understand if you do, as it can be frustrating when someone with a different style comes through.Eddie891 Talk Work 00:11, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Eddie891, feel free! I use them mainly as a dumping ground for interesting links I come across that might make for good articles in the future. Some I work on quite quickly but others have been hanging around for a while. Let me know if you want a hand on any of them, happy to help out - Dumelow (talk) 07:00, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Have your say!
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DYK for David Green (civil engineer)
Alex Shih (talk) 00:03, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Dumelow/Construction Skills Certification Scheme


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DYK for HMS Duke of Kent
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Đỗ Mười
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DYK for Hungry Tree
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The Bugle: Issue CL, October 2018
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Thanks!
Thanks for expanding William Robins (cricketer) military details. I hadn't a clue where to look when searches in the obvious places drew a blank! StickyWicket (talk) 10:21, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi StickyWicket, no worries.  It was an interesting article to work on.  It will be good to see it on the main page as a DYK soon.  Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 19:10, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Meant to say if there's any similar articles you come across let me know and I can see what I can find - Dumelow (talk) 19:14, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've come across an interesting Welsh cricketer who seems to have done a fair bit in the military (more so than a brief first-class cricket career). DSO, MC, maybe Boer War, definitely WWI!!! Noel Phillips is the guy, I wonder what you can dig up? No rush, anything to expand beyond his cricket would be much appreciated :) StickyWicket (talk) 13:19, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi StickyWicket, looks interesting. I've stuck what I could grab from the gazette on the talk page and will try to integrate it into the article later tonight or tomorrow.  Seems he started in the militia, left probably in the mid 1900s and was then recalled for service in WWI.  He rose to command the same battalion he started in, winning the MC, DSO and a mention in dispatches along the way.  After the war he was a high sheriff of Radnorshire for three years and deputy lieutenant for one.  Couldn't find anything from any other sources - Dumelow (talk) 18:09, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks again for adding his military info, much appreciated. It's good to know there's alot more to these guys than just a handful of first-class cricket appearances! If you ever have any military guys who have played some cricket in their lifetime, send them my way. I'd be happy to add that info :) Thanks again. StickyWicket (talk) 09:22, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Kolya Vasin
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Peter Nyombi
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Joseph Tydings
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Beerbohm (cat)
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Raye Montague
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:05, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Professor John Perkins’ Review of Engineering Skills
Hello! Your submission of Professor John Perkins’ Review of Engineering Skills at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:34, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Get ready for November with Women in Red!
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DYK for Calais Conference
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Cubbington Pear Tree
I'm a Cubbingtonian and a 11 plus year Wikipedian. Astounded by your pear tree article. So well put together in such a short space of time. As local Wikipedians (I assume you're local) we will probably have disagreements in the future, but that article so far is a blinder Cls14 (talk) 20:28, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Cls14, thanks for you kind comments. Unfortunately I have never been to Cubbington - I have recently been knocking out articles on notable British trees from the Tree of the Year (United Kingdom), just because I find them interesting.  Glad to know somebody is reading them at least! - Dumelow (talk) 21:37, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Geoff Scott (footballer)
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 18:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Skip Campbell
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 09:24, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Professor John Perkins' Review of Engineering Skills
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Moose cavalry
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Thomas Eichelbaum
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 22:39, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Mount Judd (Nuneaton)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for William Robins (cricketer)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Greg Fitzgerald
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Climbing the learning curve
Hi Dumelow. I trust that you are keeping well. I am attempting to set up a disambiguation page for "Siege of Berwick" - Siege of Berwick (disambiguation). I have shamelessly copied the existing "Capture of Berwick" page; although I note that that doesn't have "(disambiguation)" on the end. This is my first attempt at something like this, so I would be grateful if you could glance over it - no rush - and let me know of anything I have done glaringly wrong. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:30, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Gog. Is the intention to use the existing disambiguation page Capture of Berwick for another purpose (ie a new article)? - Dumelow (talk) 18:18, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Dumelow. No. If a disambiguation page can handle two disambig's at once, ie "Siege of Berwick" and "Capture of Berwick" then the separate "Siege of Berwick (disambiguation)" page is not needed. (I assumed that it couldn't.) Gog the Mild (talk) 18:21, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. I think it could be done either way, there's probably enough overlap with the two terms to keep them on the same page (I note the Siege of Berwick (1318) article is confused on this matter itself with the first line stating "The Capture of Berwick was an event...").  If they are kept on the same page twhat you could do is have the hat notes on the "siege" articles read:
 * and for "capture" articles to read:
 * Both links end up at the same disambig page.
 * Both links end up at the same disambig page.
 * Both links end up at the same disambig page.


 * If you wanted to have them on separate disambigaution pages the thing to do would to change Siege of Berwick from a redirect to the disambiguation page and list all of the siege articles. Under the "see also" section you would like to the similar Capture of Berwick disambiguation page.  With the reverse being true for the Capture of Berwick disambiguation page.


 * There is no requirement for a disambiguation page to have "(disambiguation)" in the title. It is usually only used when there is one primary topic (ie the most common use for that word/phrase) that takes the main name (eg. see Red and Red (disambiguation)).  In cases where there is no primary topic the disambiguation page can use that word/phrase (eg. see Mustard).  I don't know enough about the era to make the decision but if one of the siege/capture articles is the most well known by far and deserves to be the primary topic let me know and I can take you through the procedure.


 * Having just read that back I haven't put it across well - it is probably clear as mud to you! Do ask if there's anything I can try to clarify better - Dumelow (talk) 18:42, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


 * No, you put it across fine. Or at least well enough to make sense to me. Thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it. Another of Wikipedia's little mysteries solved. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:43, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Lonely Tree
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Tree of the Year (United Kingdom)
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Woodvale Park and uniqueness of war memorial
Hi there. Just a head's up that the DYK hook for Woodvale Park got mentioned here, with a potential problem flagged up. This came up when I was trying to see how much WWI coverage would be possible for 11 November. We've crossed paths before in relation to other WWI content, so any help in that regard would be much appreciated. Carcharoth (talk) 13:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Carcharoth, thanks for the heads up. The article reflects what the sources say - it may be that it was unique when it was unveiled in October 2014 but is no longer or else the source just got it wrong.  There were two other (none-WWI) alts provided in the nomination so it can be switched for one of them.  If you want to keep something WWI related for the 11th you could go with something like: "... that the First World War memorial at Woodvale Park in Belfast is cut to resemble a stone from Giant's Causeway?".  I'll leave it with you.  I note one of my other nominations, Noel Phillips, is due to run on the same day (I hadn't really though about Armistice Day when I was nominating these) - Dumelow (talk) 15:20, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't actually have time to deal with it properly right now, but wanted to let you know. Not sure if that set is actually running on 11 November. I assumed that when pointed to it. I can't actually work out which DYK prep queues will appear on which date. I am going to ping Iridescent who first flagged the potential problem, leave a note at DYK, and then check back later to see what is happening. Carcharoth (talk) 15:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * you can see the dates and hours when each set will appear at T:DYK/Q. Yoninah (talk) 16:39, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That's why I wrote "ALT1 preferred" only the nom page. No idea why ALT2 got promoted instead. I will be switching ALT1 back. L293D</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b> • <b style="color:#000">✎</b>) 16:09, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I was building the prep set for November 11 and was trying to find more WWI hooks to fill it, so that's why I chose ALT2 over ALT1. As long as a nomination is verified and the hooks are cited inline, any hook could be promoted. We try to honor the nominator's preference, but I didn't see any word from the nominator. I also thought the nominator would appreciate having the hook nominated earlier rather than waiting for a month, as is usual with DYK's burn rate. And I thought the WWI hook would benefit the main page for the 100th anniversary. Yoninah (talk) 16:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for François N. Macerola
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 14:25, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Edward John Granet
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Noel Phillips
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Woodvale Park
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for First World War glass-rubber exchange
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Glass for rubber
Not sure if it is useful, but the second item here references Guy Hartcup having evidence of actual exchanges. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:30, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Nice find Gog, thanks.  I have added it to the article.  I think an exchange probably did happen (a friend of mine has a pair of 1915 Zeiss binoculars with British Army markings.  I suspect these would be from an official supply as I think most captured sets would stay with the man that found them and so would not be marked) but would struggle to prove it one way or the other at the moment.  I'll keep my eyes open for any developemnts - Dumelow (talk) 23:15, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLI, November 2018
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The learning curve steepens
Hi Dumelow, I wonder if you are regretting leaving that message "As always, feel free to drop by my talk page for advice whenever" yet? If you are, please feel free to say so. I have a collection of articles which I think do or could constitute a Good Topic. Gascon campaign of 1345, Battle of Bergerac and Battle of Auberoche. See here.

One of the requirements is "All articles or lists in the topic are linked together, preferably using a template, and share a common category or super-category." Now they are all in the Category:Conflicts in 1345, but so are plenty of others. Do I need to create a new category - Conflicts in Gascony in 1345? (Or conflicts in the Hundred Years' War in 1345.) If so, how do I do this? (I assume that there is a guidance page somewhere.) Re a template, they are currently subsumed into Template:Campaignbox Edwardian War as • Gascony (Bergerac • Auberoche). I am not sure that it makes sense to create a new template, but would appreciate your view.

I could, and perhaps should, post this on the Good Topics query page, but I thought that it may help to winnow the obvious stuff out first, and there is a query there which has been waiting for an answer since March. So my preference is to get it into half way decent shape, nominate it and deal with any problems at that stage.

Any thoughts would be gratefully received. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:31, 17 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Gog, good to hear from you again. I don't have any experience at WP:Good topics but happy to offer some uninformed opinions (feel free to ignore)!  My gut feeling is that linking them together through the existing Template:Campaignbox Edwardian War is enough.  The guidance doesn't say that they need to be the only articles in the template (and indeed that there doesn't need to be a template at all).  If desired we could always crate a new campaign box to link them but I don't see the value in having such a small box with two battles in it when the existing template provides the same information.  Likewise I can't see any value in having a category just for these battles.  I'd stick it up as is and see how it goes, feel free to let me know when you do so I can drop over there to support.
 * Just one minor thing: when you provide a link to categories, as in your comment above, you need to put a colon before the "category" part ie: Category:Conflicts in 1345, as otherwise it adds the talk page into the mainspace category. I edited your link above to fix this - Dumelow (talk) 13:02, 17 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Excellent. Thanks for that. I shall get it nominated then. And thanks for sorting out the Categories faux pas, another piece of Wiki-arcana for the memory bank. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Héctor Beltrán Leyva
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 16:08, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Peter Peryer
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 16:08, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for James Arnot Hamilton
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Accident triangle
Hello! Your submission of Accident triangle at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Warofdreams talk 01:38, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Larry Pickering
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 20:04, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jose Peralta
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 13:31, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Shear vane
Mifter (talk) 00:02, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Corps of Invalids (Great Britain)
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Cubbington Pear Tree
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

An interesting one!
So there I was just finishing off my Irish cricketers project and I stumbled acorss the Milo Talbot. He seemed a boring one-cap cricketer at first, but then I discovered he had quite a notable military career. He served, it seems according to this, in several military campaigns in the late 1800s and WWI. He even reached the rank of Major-General in the Egyptian Army. I've found some of the usual links on the Gazette, but wondered if you had or knew of any military sources where this guy might appear? Any expansion much appreciated as always! StickyWicket (talk) 19:56, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi StickyWicket, thanks for the heads up. I've expanded the article a bit.  As you say, he had an interesting career with active service in Afghanistan, the Sudan and WWI. I'll try to take another look at it tomorrow and tidy it up a bit (I'll move the article to a new name also as I think it is a bit misleading to describe him as a cricketer now).  Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 23:20, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Dumelow. Wow, that expansion is looking great. Who'd have thought a minor first-class cricketer would help plan the Gallipoli Campaign?! Glad I stumbled across him! His ancestral home also recently hosted Ireland's first ever Test match. Agreed with the renaming, his cricket was fairly insignificant compared to his military career. Thanks again! StickyWicket (talk) 20:33, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sorting out the infobox and categories, I always find them a bit of a pain to do! - Dumelow (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Pigeon whistle
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Construction Skills Certification Scheme
Alex Shih (talk) 00:03, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for George Fleming (engineer)
Alex Shih (talk) 00:03, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Nominations now open for "Military historian of the year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" awards
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DYK nomination of Milo Talbot (British Army officer)
Hello! Your submission of Milo Talbot (British Army officer) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Farang Rak Tham  (Talk) 23:31, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Pwllpriddog Oak
Alex Shih (talk) 12:02, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Michael McComie
Thanks for your work on this article. However, some of the information appears to be unsourced and/or POV (him being part of a 'strong' youth team, him playing in the USA etc.), some is phrased slightly too closely to the original for me to be happy, and some is in far too much detail. I have trimmed and tidied. GiantSnowman 20:20, 5 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi GiantSnowman, I was just passing by. I disagree that it was too closely paraphrased, see the earwig analysis of my revision, the only closely worded section is the direct quote which is properly attributed - unless there's something else you noticed?  The "strong" team claim came from "McComie came to national attention in the late 1980s with a talented St Augustine Secondary team led by gifted attacker, Jerren Nixon", I have readded it as "what was described as a "talented" team".  I must have gotten my ref tags mixed up, the United States sentence comes from the News Day source which I missed - I have readded it.  I quite like the second paragraph on his career, it adds colour to what is otherwise quite dry: "he played for x in 19-whatever, then played for y until 20-something.  He retired in whenever".  I think it is useful to know what style of player he was, particularly as he seems to have been a pioneer for goalies playing outside the box. I have readded the info.  If you still disagree, feel free to revert any of this.  Like I say, I have no particular connection to this article, just noticed the obituary and thought I'd try to expand it a bit - Dumelow (talk) 20:44, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You're basically just paraphrasing the Wired868 article... GiantSnowman 20:50, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have reworded the bit about his role as a sweeper a little to take it further from the wording used in the source (but I think it was an acceptable statement of fact anyway). I can't see any problems with the text. However as I say, I am happy for you to revert any of my additions and I will go on my merry way; I have no real interest in this article - Dumelow (talk) 21:05, 5 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I've nominated the article for DYK... GiantSnowman 19:32, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Convention of El Arish
Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Clairmarais aerodrome
Mifter (talk) 12:03, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Bailey Bridge (Walton on Trent)
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLII, December 2018
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 10:34, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Lyudmila Alexeyeva
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 14:29, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Farmer Review of the UK Construction Labour Model
Mifter (talk) 12:03, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Petrus Iilonga
Per this and this - Dumelow (talk) 20:41, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Voting now open for "Military historian of the year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" awards
Voting for our annual Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year awards is open until 23:59 (GMT) on 30 December 2018. Why don't you vote for the editors who you believe have made a real difference to Wikipedia's coverage of military history in 2018? MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:17, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Murder stone
Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Kenya Coast Guard Service
Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Ogilvie Graham
Hi Dumelow. Another Irish cricketer who was military man. I've filled out the some pieces of his career from the Gazette, but missing parts including his DSO or how he ended up playing cricket in India! Please feel free to expand :) StickyWicket (talk) 20:09, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks StickyWicket, I'll take a look to see if I can find anything - Dumelow (talk) 21:44, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated. StickyWicket (talk) 22:15, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have expanded it a bit, mostly promotions and appointments. I'm still hopeful to find something of his career in India in the 1920s - it wouldn't have been with the 5th battalion, London Regiment which was a volunteer unit - Dumelow (talk) 23:27, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * There's some interesting info at here andhere about his work in WWII but I can't prove reliability of those sources - Dumelow (talk) 23:47, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe his time in India will remain a mystery! I've had a look through Wisden at that time, but nothing. Strangely, he doesn't have an obituary in the 1972 Wisden either - I'd have thought his participation in the Fowler Match of 1910 would have guaranteed his inclusion. The article is looking great, thanks for all your work on these. I shall make a start on this guy in the coming weeks. StickyWicket (talk) 21:23, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it might have to. I've stuck him up at DYK (Template:Did you know nominations/Ogilvie Graham).  Let me know when you get started on Hendley, he sounds interesting.  Not sure how busy I'll be over Christmas yet but should be free in the new year - Dumelow (talk) 21:30, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I might have to get in on this DYK lark, never looked into it much. I've made a start on Bond, missing a few references as a couple of sources are more OR. Also a couple of sources mention he was awarded an MC, but I can only find proof of a DSO. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place! StickyWicket (talk) 14:59, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I find DYK attracts a few new eyes to articles which is useful for picking up my typos and other mistakes! There no mention of an MC in Bond's retirement announcement so I don't think one was awarded.  I'll try to take a look over the article and add anything else I can find this weekend.  Just a quick tip: when you cite to one of the other gazettes (Edinburgh or Belfast) you need to add "|city-Edinburgh" or "|city=Belfast" to the reference, otherwise even if the template name is changed (eg to "{{Edinburgh Gazette...") it still defaults to the London Gazette which breaks the links - check out my edit to the Bond article for an example.  All the best - Dumelow (talk) 15:18, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll pluck up the courage to nominate some at some point! Thanks for checking up on the MC, I think the source I found was copied by CricketArchive (or vice versa) and had the MC confused with a DSO. I'll remember to put the |city-Blah bit in - I just assumed it automatically recognised it! I've created the 526th (and as far I'm aware last) Irish first-class cricketer, Jack Gannon. Looks like he had a very interesting military career, highly decorated into his sixties in WWII. Died aged 97 too! I've got a few uni assignments on the go, so I'll expand him as I go. StickyWicket (talk) 23:04, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi StickyWicket. I've got as afar as I can with Bond, turns out he was a champion racquets player as well.  I've put him up for DYK also.  I'll try to take a look at Gannon too, looks like you've made a good start there - Dumelow (talk) 09:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dumelow. Seems our Mr Bond was a multi-talented sportsman then! I've been trying to find out exactly what neurodegenerative disease he died from, but seems no record exists. A shame as from a medical background I was curious! Gannon is certainly an interesting character, his lacking of an exact place of birth is bugging me though! I think he's somewhere from North Tipperary, but the source is OR. Have a good xmas. StickyWicket (talk) 10:54, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Kilbroney Park
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
"I remember something I read, once, in Opera News about the great Tatiana Troyanos. Here was a woman that had every right to complain at the Fates over her lot in life...she was abandoned by her parents to an orphanage, and she battled health issues for many years before dying of cancer at 55. (I remember reading that selfsame article about her and being amazed at what she had overcome.) And yet she remained ever gracious in her career and her professional dealings. The writer of the article, I remember, recalled assisting in a Metropolitan Opera performance of Giulio Cesare in Egitto, in which Kathleen Battle was singing. Battle was then in the throes of some of her worst behavior, and she was really letting people have it over trivial matters. And the writer said that when the curtain fell, he was about ready to tell her off, when he felt a tug at his elbow. It was Troyanos - she took him aside, smiled, and said, "Don't. It doesn't matter." It can be so tempting to get wound up over the least little thing around here. But every time I do, somewhere in the dark recesses of my mind...so deep that I feel her presence rather than hear it...I'm sure Troyanos is reminding me, too: "It doesn't matter." If she, with all that she overcame, could say it, then I damn well can, too –"

Thanks for all the work you do to make Wikipedia a better place, and your welcoming demeanor as we have interacted this year. Wishing you and yours a very happy holidays! Eddie891 Talk Work 00:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Eddie891, thanks for the message. I really enjoyed my editing this year, which followed a somewhat lengthy period of absence, and have been lucky enough to work alongside some great editors (yourself included). Wishing you all the best for the season and a very happy new year! - Dumelow (talk) 11:29, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Roger Norman Sainsbury
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Vasin
Hello Dumelow! I wank to ask your help. I asked Ritchie333 on this issue, but he can not help (according to the rules). I ask you give me help instead him. Here some users do not respect Kolya Vasin and his tribute to John Lennon (beautiful project and idea - the Temple who is not built yet by different reasons). Vasin is an important person in the scope of Beatlemania, he is known around the world as a Beatles fan number 1 in the USSR and Russia, and he has right make tribute for John in the article about idol. Please, rollback my opponents, if they will continue rollback me. I am weak simple user, when you are an administrator. You can also make warning for them, if is need. They not must remove tribute of Vasin. Thank you! I wait your reply and actions. Sorry for grammatical mistakes (I am Russian, like Vasin). - Yellow Man 1000 (talk) 16:47, 21 December 2018 (UTC).


 * Hi Yellow Man 1000. I don't see anything requiring a warning here.  The correct process to follow is the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle.  Your bold contribution has been reverted and should now be discussed at the article talkpage - Dumelow (talk) 11:19, 22 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Dumelow, I hope see your opinion on this issue. Welcome on the talk page. - Yellow Man 1000 (talk) 18:40, 23 December 2018 (UTC).


 * Dumelow. I ask you take action vs vandals. He even removed topic on the talk page!!!!!! - Yellow Man 1000 (talk) 19:32, 23 December 2018 (UTC).

DYK for Nellie's Tree
Alex Shih (talk) 12:02, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Milo Talbot (British Army officer)
Mifter (talk) 12:02, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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Jack Gannon
Wow! I come back to make a few more edits on that (I did get sidetracked a little minor counties side-project I have on the go) and Gannon is done! Amazing. Thanks for all your effort on these. Just a side note about where he died. Some sources say he died at Eastbourne, but one was very specific about him dying at the King Edward VII Hospital in Midhurst. This could make sense! In my last job I used to deal with past radiotherapy casenotes from this hospital, and as it's now shut this was a right pain in the rear to get hold of treatment records! But when I did, they all had stamped on them 'King Edward VII Hospital, Easebourne', the village between the hospital and Midhurst. I wonder if some confusion has arisen along the way and Easebourne has become Eastbourne? StickyWicket (talk) 20:19, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


 * He seems to have been an interesting chap, very much in the old-style cavalry officer mould. Your reasoning about the place of death sounds pretty convincing to me, would you mind changing it and adding the reference?  I'm just taking a look at David Gwynne-James now - Dumelow (talk) 20:21, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I've amended his place of death. Gannon died in a nice place, that hospital was in the middle of nowhere surrounded by rolling countryside.  A shame they closed it.  The Gwynne-James one is rather sad, but I'm curious how these guys ended up playing for the Free Foresters - it's an anomaly in first-class cricket where not much is written down. StickyWicket (talk) 20:51, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Ernst von Manstein
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Known unto God
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Ernst von Manstein
Hi,

Just to let you know that I have put forward a case for the deletion of this page. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ernst von Manstein (2nd nomination) Jontel (talk) 11:19, 30 December 2018 (UTC) I wonder whether Jontel has ever heard of the Panama scandals or the Dreyfus affair. This anti-Jewish atmosphere in France in the 1890's was in no way different from that in Germany. Manstein certainly NOT shared the conversion to Judaism with millions (as Jontel wrongly claims) since it was societal suicide, for a man of ancient nobility in particular. Why would a dissertation project from a renowned German university (clearly not a Jewish source!) pick him as an outstanding example - due to his lack of notability? Ridiculous! I need to hold myself back not to constitute a personal attack --Kolya (talk) 21:37, 30 December 2018 (UTC)