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Review of DYK nomination for William Francis (civil engineer)
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Review of DYK nomination for Antoine Huré
Dropping by to leave you a note that I've left a review at: Template:Did you know nominations/Antoine Huré. I also left some notes at Talk:Antoine Huré because I managed to get drawn into digging deeper again. The topic is more interesting than I had thought. I had read the hook and half the article before I looked at the name of the nominator and realised I was looking over one of your nominations! Carcharoth (talk) 06:02, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

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More French army officers
Hi again. I noticed one of your articles on the main page, and looked up a few more of those French army officer articles you've done (and some of the other biographies listed on your user page). I'm really very impressed by those: Noël Garnier-Duplessis and Gaston Cros were the ones I read first (I failed to find birth and death years for Garnier-Duplessis, but I did find that he was made an Officer of the Legion of Honour). Anyway, I usually have plans for several articles on the go at once within a topic area, but often get distracted and take time out to write a biography on someone in a completely different area. I did a couple of English army officers from WWI at one stage (Louis Vaughan and Gilbert Clayton, both some years ago and I need to go back to them), but have never tried French army officers. Would you have any ideas for any from WWI that don't have articles yet? I have a few books where I could look up some ideas, but thought you might be able to help. Carcharoth (talk) 00:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello there. Glad you like my articles, it's only something I got into by filling out the red links from Zaian War.  From a purely self-interested point of view I'd like to suggest Paul Prosper Henrys and Joseph-François Poeymirau who were two key French leaders in the war and are on my long-term to-do list (as is the great Marshal Hubert Lyautey but I want to buy a couple of biographies first).  Both Henrys and Poeymirau had distinguished First World War records but I haven't had chance to research them yet so I don't know how much there is written about them.  Otherwise (I know I get bored of writing about the same stuff sometimes) it can be interesting to take an article listing French WWI commanders such as the division (example), army (example) or order of battle (example) articles and fill out the redlinks.  There is many a French divisional, corps or even army commander of note who lacks an article.  A lot of these generals were old enough to have significant service in the French colonial wars (Tonkin, Madagascar, Morocco etc.) which can throw up some interesting detail for articles.  Whatever you decide do please let me know, I would love to help out where I can! Many thanks - Dumelow (talk) 20:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank-you very much for that. I do actually have a databook for WWI that lists the entire chain of command (or tries to) for all sides in the war and throughout the war (I say 'tries', because even there they have gaps and uncertainties). That is where I intend to get most of my ideas. I may also at some point try and flesh out something I started in my userspace here on political and military leadership during WWI. For some countries it was relatively simple, for others it was horrendously complicated. I fully expect all the high-level positions to have articles already, but you never know. I will also try and look at Zaian War at some point, but it may be days/weeks/months before I get back to any of this. I may try and make a start at the French chain of command now. 23:13, 10 January 2013 (UTC) Update: Well, that didn't take long. I now have four redlinks and can also try and work out whether Chief of Staff of the French Army is actually wrong or not for the WWI period. Bellin, Pellé and Buat are probably OK, but I am struggling to work out who this d'Alenson chap is. Anyway, that's enough to be going on with. Carcharoth (talk) 23:42, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Intriguing. There is much out there describing d'Alenson's actions as Nivelle's Chief of Staff in the war but very little else (I don't even know his first name).  There is a wonderful passage describing him on page 265 of Churchill's World Crisis (here is one in another work), he died in June 1917 and was apparently black.  Strange there isn't more out there.  I will continue looking at the weekend if I get chance - Dumelow (talk) 18:05, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for these pointers as well. I've also replied at my talk page as well. Feel free to bring that conversation over here if that is easier. Might as well keep it all together. I wonder if there are any pictures of d'Alenson anywhere? Even if there is not enough for an article on him, there are some articles out there where a section on him might work well (or even just a footnote to an article). I do have an book on colonial troops and labourers in Flanders (World War I: Five Continents in Flanders) that has a section on French colonial troops and many excellent photographs, but I'm not sure if anyone has done anything on black French officers. D'Alenson is mentioned briefly in the entry for Nivelle in my copy of Who's Who in World War I, which stated that Nivelle was "driven on by his charismatic (and dying) chief of staff D'Alenson." That entry also reminded me that Nivelle himself had "his memory virtually expunged from popular consciousness" and became "the 'man who never was' in French history". So if that happened to Nivelle, you can imagine what fate awaited D'Alenson. Maybe there is more in some of the histories of Verdun. Carcharoth (talk) 06:09, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I've dug around a bit more and I was particularly struck by this description of d'Alenson. That passage, incidentally, describes him as Nivelle's left-hand man, and describes Nivelle's 'triumvirate' (the other being his 'right-hand man, general Charles Mangin, described as 'the butcher' or 'eater of men'). The other thing I came across (both these found on a search for 'Nivelle' and 'd'Alenson') was this article on a French general called Robert d'Alançon (born 1909). The commentary below that refers to Nivelle's chief of staff as an Eric Audemard d'Alançon, though my brief reading of that commentary is that it involves a possible wrong photo, and discussion of lots of members of the d'Alançon family. The comments are in reverse order, so the final comment (at the top) seems to be saying that this d'Alançon is someone else. But maybe variants like d'Alençon and d'Alançon are alternative spellings worth trying. And after looking around some more, this Eric Audemard looks to definitely be someone else. More on D'Alenson in this book, though again only scraps. Carcharoth (talk) 06:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

One last note, going back to General Garnier-Duplessis, I had assumed from the note on my talk page that you had found his Legion of Honour records, but I noticed that the birth and death year missing categories had been added to that page, and so went to look it up myself, and found it under a variant spelling here. Seems he was born on 25 December 1860 and died in 1928, though I can't make out the exact month (the stamp next to the death date is April 1928). Other sources seem to suggest 2 March 1928. That spelling of Garnier-Duplessix is used consistently throughout his records, so you might want to look into that as well. I did a brief search for Garnier-Duplessix (excluding the prenoms) and 1860 and 1928, and what looks like a book on him came up. Carcharoth (talk) 07:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I had found G-D's legion records (along with most of the other officers I looked at previously) and put them on my userpage and the article talk page.  It looks like the x spelling is probably correct and that the later sources have got it wrong, so I will move the article when I expand it.  The handwritten date (some of these records have terrible handwriting!) confirms your other source's 2 March date.  Hopefully I will get chance to expand G-D and the other articles this week.  D'Alenson is proving a very mysterious character! - Dumelow (talk) 19:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Doh! I completely missed that you had left those notes for yourself and others. :-) It is amazingly easy to miss things. Possibly you noticed before I did that this redirect (using the -x spelling) was created on 9 January, possibly from the creation of 37th Infantry Division (France) that had been a redlink in the article you wrote. I'm going to create a few more redirects, and link G-D from a few more places where he is currently mentioned. After that, I'm going to get back to trying to work up another list of French generals. Carcharoth (talk) 21:00, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Was just writing this when you replied: Interesting stuff. I have looked further into d'Alançon (I am certain this is now the correct spelling and the d'Alanson sources are using an incorrect version based on the phonetic translation).  There are two pictures of him here and here which show him (on the right) walking through a town with Joffre and and Nivelle.  His rank is given as Lieutenant-Colonel - it is common in France to call lt-cols "Colonel" as a courtesy much like all general ranks (général de brigade, de division etc.) are called "General" - and his surname is spelt with the c.  This is backed up by searches of these french books: 1 2 3 4 5 where he is named in conjunction with Nivelle.


 * Looking at the index of this book gives the surname as "Audemard d'Alançon". Eric Marcel Audemard d'Alançon has a legion of honour record.  Checking through provides his death certificate where he is listed as having died in Paris on 6 September 1917 and his service as chief of staff (etat major) is mentioned, there are various other useful biographical details on the other pages (he also served in Morocco! - his counterpart Mangin also had a notable stint there).  I also found his years Saint-Cyr military academy (1894-6) and was able to look up his Saint Cyr memorial page where he has a picture and a bit of info about his service with the Grand Quartier du Commandant du Chef (General Headquarters of the Commander in Chief). My reading of the comment on that article is something along the lines of "You are absolutely right, Eric Audemard d'Alançon was not just Lieutenant Colonel and Chief of Staff to General Nivelle, but was much more than that..." so I think we may have found the right man - Dumelow (talk) 21:45, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow. That is convincing. And the pictures are an incredible find. With the numbers of people who served in the Great War, though, you do have to be careful. There are a number of military people around with the name Alançon (that seems to be a moderately common name in France, though I'm just speculating really on that point). I wouldn't be convinced by the Saint-Cyr page alone that this is the same person, but the mentions in connection with Nivelle do make this all much more likely. I would pull together all the 'Eric Audemard d'Alançon' sources, but keep them separate from the sources mentioning d'Alenson (and the death date of June 1917). And check to see if two military d'Alançon people died in 1917. And then see what it looks like then, and whether it can all be reconciled or not. And you really know your way around these French sources! I am going to have to bookmark them and come back to you for some more advice later... Carcharoth (talk) 22:28, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Checking the French army death records shows only one Alanson (a Senegalese private), no d'Alansons, no Alancons, two d'Alancons (a sergeant and a corporal), one Alencon (a private), no d'Alencons, no Alensons or d'Alensons and just one Audemard d'Alancon, our Eric Marcel, a lieutenant-colonel. He died of "sickness" on 6 September 1917 in Paris, he was born there on 8 May 1874 and his corps of service is given as the Grand Quartier General.  Your earlier source mentions the d'Alenson spelling in connection with the 3e bureau which is backed up by my Eric Audemard D'Alancon source which gives his position as head of the 3e bureau (page 55).  The latter source has another picture of him with Nivelle on page 57; with Nivelle, fr:Maurice de Barescut and Joffre on page 64; The book repeatedly calls names him as Nivelle's Chief of Staff.  Best of all page 334 has a detailed biography of the man confirming his full name and death date of 6 September (of acute pulmonary gangrene) and various other details tallying with those already discovered for d'Alancon.  Another source linking d'Alancon and the 3e bureau: "placed between the general and the 3e bureau (of GQG) d'Alancon had become the eminence grise of Nivelle, holding power over everything and everyone and in fact conducting the operations".  I am now certain this is the right man - Dumelow (talk) 21:29, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh wow. That convinces me now. I look forward to seeing the finished article! :-) I am slowly being drawn into the complexities of French military organisation from the Napoleonic era, thorough the late 19th-century, and into the era of industrialised warfare of World War I. I don't want to draw you away at all from your work on the Moroccan wars, but if you have time, would you be able to look at Chief of Staff of the French Army? I mentioned this earlier, but when I first saw this it was like this, and the version now is this. I've asked for help on this here (version at time of this post), but I'm not sure how many people around here work on French military history. I have been reading bits about the history of French military leadership and have so far come across Constable of France, Marshal General of France, and then following the evolution of a professional general staff during the Napoleonic era in the account given at Grand Armée (including the Grand État-Major Général), though getting from there to the WWI period (and the Grand Quartier Général) isn't that easy. Would I be right to say that it should be possible to have a list starting with Louis Alexandre Berthier (Napoleon's Chief-of-Staff) and continuing forward through people like Joffre to the present day? Would you be able to help at all with that, even if only to say where is the best place to confirm an individual general's service record and what official positions they held and when? Possibly articles on the actual military and political command structures may ultimately be more informative, such as fr:Conseil supérieur de la guerre, or even the actual GQG command structures during WWI (the fr:Joseph Joffre article has some examples of those). Anyway, a lot of suggestions there, probably too many, but if you have any thoughts on where best to start, I might try adding bits around the edges. Carcharoth (talk) 05:21, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The article might take a little while for me to get around to, but I certainly have plenty of good sources listed on this talk page now! Regarding French chiefs of staff I am not particularly familiar with much of the 19th century or modern practice but I think there is certainly material for several worthy articles there.  I have found a few bits of information of the GQG in the past few days and might start fleshing out an article in my userspace (to which you are more than welcome to add) and something on the Conseil Supérieur de la Guerre would be nice too.  I had noticed your work at Chief of Staff of the French Army but haven't found time this week to look at anything to add there, hopefully I will get a chance this weekend.  I am sure there must have been an equivalent post between Berthier and Miribel - Dumelow (talk) 18:48, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, there is a big gap between Berthier (after Napoleon's abdication in 1814) and Miribel's second stint (1891, his first was from 1878, but that is not on the page yet), and there was much social, military and political upheaval in those years. As I said, the list is very incomplete. Anyway, other things to do this weekend. Carcharoth (talk) 20:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I have made a start on an article for the GQG at User:Dumelow/Grand Quartier Général. I found a few good sources there that provide the structure of the organisation in quite some detail and I drew up a bit of a visual representation of its component parts.  Quite interesting how the power struggles play out between the rival generals and departments, each seeking to widen their own remit and authority.  If you get a chance I would be glad if you'd take a look over it and correct any glaring errors I have made.  Many thanks, catch you after the weekend - Dumelow (talk) 18:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks like a really good start. I knew it was complex (all the army commands had to be in that war because it was such a massive one) but that sort of article really helps. I hope something like that already exists for the British and German high commands... Anyway, some quick thoughts: (i) lead section, but I guess you do that last; (ii) WW2 section not yet done, but I guess that comes later; (iii) individual pics are nice, but pictures of the physical locations and groups of generals would be good in addition to those ones; (iv) what is the publication date of the French LaGarde source you use extensively? (v) something more about the armies not under GQG control might help, the bits about the armies of the North and North-East are intriguing; (vi) two of your sources you use Google Book URLs instead of ISBNs (they look to have been published before ISBNs anyway); (vii) something needs to be said about how Foch fits into this. I know he was part of GQG at one point, but later he becomes Supreme Allied Commander and Pétain reports to him, so was Foch formally part of GQG or not? (viii) The bit about when GQG dissolved is really useful; (ix) maybe something on Anglo-French relations as well? That was critical at various points in the war, IIRC; (x) finally, something on the numbers of men under the command of GQG at various points in the war (millions) would help give an idea of the scale of operations. Carcharoth (talk) 02:08, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. I'll try to run through the points you have raised: (i, ii) Correct {iii} They were more of a placeholder than anything, I find articles without any pictures much harder to read. I have swapped a couple for more relevant ones, including one of the few pictures I could find of the actual HQ building or staff. Will keep an eye out for more. (iv) Not sure, the French Archives site seems to have lost a lot of its content in the last week or so when it was transferred to the new French Defence Ministry site. That is why the document is only accessible from the Google cache. Hopefully they will sort it out soon, as it prevents you from searching the archives directly and from accessing the French Army personnel lists. (v) Still looking into that. (vi) Typo on my behalf, I think you are correct in that they predate ISBNs (vii)this source from La Garde seems to indicate that Foch remained outside of the GQG structure and was instead appointed to the higher "Grand Quartier Général des Armées Alliées" (GQGA) (still trying to find the name it was known as in English) as "Général en Chef des Armées Alliées en France" on 26 March 1918. It is described as similar to the French GQG and the British GHQ with responsibility for co-ordinating the actions of the allied general staffs. The staff at GQGA is described as very small (just 175 officers) and seems to mainly serve as Foch's instrument in directing the war. It is never really disbanded, just reduced in size and morphed into the Allied Military Committee of Versailles (info here). So I think the situation was that GQG remained under Pétain until the end but the GQGA was set over all the allied general staffs and that was under Foch. Hopefully I will be able to add something into the article about this (and then look at starting an article for the GQGA!) (viii) Thanks (ix, x) Still looking into that. Hopefully be back with more info as and when I find it - Dumelow (talk) 10:50, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * All sounds good. Is it possible that Supreme War Council was the precursor to the GQGA and the AMCV? I'm sure it is more complicated than that, but I remember reading about several of these generals (Belin for one) holding these posts of Permanent Military Representative. fr:Émile Eugène Belin refers to him from April 1918 being "représentant militaire français au Conseil Supérieur de la Guerre allié", and here and here are IWM paintings on that 1918 and 1919 period. Carcharoth (talk) 14:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you are right there. Looking at LaGarde in detail he talks about the origins of the GQA in the Supreme War Council and how Foch was the French representative from its founding in November 1917 until he became "commander in chief of the allied armies in France".  The GQGQA seems to be more of a personal staff for Foch to carry out his duties as C-i-C.  Certainly looks like there could be an interesting series of articles in there.  Those paintings are fantastic (The whole series is on the BBC database, just a shame they don't become PD until 2022 - Dumelow (talk) 18:52, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm glad we have an article on that artist: Herbert Arnould Olivier. War artists is another strand of this that interests me. I particularly liked this one and this one. The ones where King George V met the French and Belgian heads of state. Carcharoth (talk) 20:20, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Dumelow, do you have any plans to take this to Milhist's A-class after GA? I'm asking because I want to review a few GANs, and since this isn't my field, I prefer the ones where I know someone will be checking my work. (A-class is completely optional, of course.) - Dank (push to talk) 00:24, 24 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello again Dank. I wasn't planning on taking it to A-class as I didn't think the article would be considered long enough for that.  You will know better than me, however.  Do you think it is long/complete enough?  I will have a quick cast around for any more sources I can add in the meantime.  On a similar note I was considering taking Charles Inglis (engineer) to MILHIST A-class at some point in the near future and was going to start looking for a copyeditor/peer-reviewer.  I don't suppose you'd be interested in taking a look at it?  I have always found your edits to be highly useful in the past! - Dumelow (talk) 08:00, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Brilliant, Inglis would be a much better choice for A-class. If you want to nom it, I'll copyedit it there after I see the initial reactions. - Dank (push to talk) 11:34, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
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The article Walter Waddington has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * '''*Per WP:BASIC Waddington does not appear to be the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. 13 of the 16 citations are primary military service records or genealogy records.


 * Per WP:ANYBIO - Waddington does not appear to have received a well-known and significant award or honour, or been nominated for one several times, or made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field.
 * Per WP:SOLDIER Waddington appears to have been a brigadier, marginal (at best) to meet criteria 3. "general officer".'''

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Hi Dumelow, thanks for the hard work on Sudanese nomadic conflicts. As you've probably noticed, there is considerable overlap between that article and South Sudan internal conflict (2011–present), and both of them mix events from several conflicts that are distinct even if they are related. The simple chronology also makes it very difficult to show relationships between events, major periods or turning points intelligibly. Would you have time to work together on Regards, Keitsist (talk) 06:15, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) removing the redundancy between these two articles and
 * 2) creating a better structure for the content that separates the several conflicts and conveys each conflict more coherently?


 * Hello Keitsist. It is something that I have been considering but haven't really had the expertise to start.  I agree we should move away from the timeline style articles and into something more descriptive and prose-like (partly my fault, it is all too easy to just keep adding entries to the timeline as they occur).  However I don't feel I know enough about the individual conflicts going on to be able to start this.  If you feel able to start separating the events by conflict I would be more than happy to chip in and help once I can see where things need to go.  Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 08:51, 29 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Fantastic. I'll start by making some suggestions for the new structure at Talk:Sudanese nomadic conflicts. Keitsist (talk) 19:38, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

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 * Excellent work. I was very pleased when I saw it had been promoted; it easily deserves its star, and you should be proud of the work you put into it. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  15:55, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Cheers HJ and thanks for your work on this article, it's been a long haul writing this one! I really appreciate all the effort the reviewers at A-class and FAC put in, it makes it much easier on the nominator.  I just hope my next article makes it through as easy! - Dumelow (talk) 16:13, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine you'll have any problems. I had a good look at it in the ACR and everything seemed to be in order. Hopefully an experienced biographer who's seen as independent of MilHist will take a look at it (I'm sure somebody will be intrigued by someone so famous appearing at FAC). Btw, if you have time to offer a review or two I'm sure it would be appreciated by the nominators. Also btw, I don't know if any of them are anywhere near you, but there are meetups in quite a few places in the UK if you fancied a pint sometime. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  18:15, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I keep meaning to repay the favour with a few reviews at ACR - I'll try to make some on the areas I feel more confident in. A pint with some other Wikipedians would be great, I am Midlands-based so would love to make one of the Nottingham or Coventry meet-ups (or even Cambridge, my work takes me out that way).  I am busy for all the upcoming ones but will keep my eye on the meet-up page, cheers - Dumelow (talk) 18:29, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Great. We'll probably schedule the next Nottingham meetup at the first and I must find out when we're planning the next Coventry meetup. There's also WMUK's annual conference in Lincoln on 8 June if that's of any interest. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  19:06, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Dumelow, I'm looking at scheduling the next Nottingham meetup, probably on a Sunday in August or September. Are there any dates that work well or don't work at all for you? I can't promise anything, but we have our choice of dates as long as we can claim a date for Nottingham before any of the others are scheduled. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  14:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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Charles Inglis (1875–1952) was a British civil engineer who has been described as the greatest teacher of engineering of his time. He was educated at King's College, Cambridge, and then spent two years with the engineering firm run by John Wolfe-Barry before returning to King's College as a lecturer. Working with Professors James Alfred Ewing and Bertram Hopkinson, he made several important studies into the effects of vibration on structures and defects on the strength of plate steel. Inglis served in the Royal Engineers during the First World War and invented the Inglis Bridge, a reusable steel bridging system (example pictured) – the precursor to the Bailey bridge of the Second World War. In 1916 he was placed in charge of bridge design and supply at the War Office and, with Giffard Le Quesne Martel, pioneered the use of temporary bridges with tanks. He returned to Cambridge University after the war as head of the Engineering Department, which became the largest in the university and one of the best regarded engineering schools in the world. Knighted in 1945, he spent his later years developing his theories on the education of engineers and wrote a textbook on applied mechanics. UcuchaBot (talk) 23:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

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There are so many people running around with tools like AWB linking to the wrong thing, I couldn't begin to see where the error crept in but I figure it's best to leave it in the hands of someone with the reference material to correct and reword if necessary.

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Battle of lake Benakus
Hi Dumelow ! You are perfectly justified in thinking that it was a typo since I had to use one reference for both the date and the names of the invading tribes. Do you think that we need to repeat the reference to Watson per following?

The Battle of Lake Benacus was fought along the banks of Lake Garda in northern Italy, which was known to the Romans as Benacus, in 268[2] or early 269 AD,[1] between the army under the command of the Roman Emperor Claudius II and the Germanic tribes of the Alamanni and Juthungi.[1]

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ITN for December 2013 Kinshasa attacks
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