User talk:DuncanHill/Archives/2008/April

What?
Thanks much I don't know why/how that happened. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Scouting movement: History
Know anything about the attempted take-over of the scout movement by those wanting a national youth military training organisation - the National Service League - in the War Fever period before the declaration of war in 1914? Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 23:45, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Just going out now but will draft a para to insert in the WP Scouting article, for your approval, citing my source and his sources. Best  Vernon White  '''. . . Talk''' 10:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

"Air-raid shelter" article
Many thanks, DuncanHill, for your help. I never noticed this. I appreciate it. Dieter Simon (talk) 23:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No problems, glad to have been able to help. DuncanHill (talk) 23:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Software glitch?
Do you know what happened with the first change in ? Your edit summary indicates you clicked edit at the later section so it seems you shouldn't be able to make that change. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's weird - I did get an edit conflict, and copied and pasted my text from the bottom box into the right place, I have no idea where the extra text came from! DuncanHill (talk) 13:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK. I removed the text. It's probably a one-off but just in case, you might check your diffs after saving for a short while to see if it's recurring. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw you remove it - thanks! I'll keep an eye on diffs, if it happens again I'll bring it up at the village pump. DuncanHill (talk) 13:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you very much for helping me out on the talk page. You seem like a really good and kind editor. I agree with what u said on ur userpage "I used to enjoy editing Wikipedia. I don't any more. Until Wikipedia finds a way to deal with the arrogance and siege-mentality of some admins, it will remain an unpleasant place to be." It's so true. I think that most admins seem nice and kind but some are really harsh towards new editors like me. Once I made a test on here and ended up getting blocked!? And then when i spoker to the man about it afterwards he told me to be quiet or i woul dbe blocked again for causing truble ?!!. Anyway if only they were all as nice as you then i dont think there wud be any truble around here, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.248.48 (talk) 13:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

You may be interested...
Hello. Given the interest you have expressed in the past in the antics of User:ScienceApologist, you may be interested in/exasperated by/have your will to live further sapped by/etcetc this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Appeal_of_commuity_ban_of_Iantresman --feline1 (talk) 15:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

About that Thank You statement
Amen and Hallelujah to that about most of the Wikipedians on Wikipedia. I mean that if I wanted the universe to know about My Beloved Girlfriend and its storylines and characters, the editors reject my articles about my soap opera. One time, I made an article on Grupo Ashta but the editors rejected that article as well. If I want to create pages for Wikipedia, the editors should at least have some or all of kindness to let me create pages about things and ask questions when I want. I should be thanking you for bringing that up, whoever wrote this thank you statement. Ericthebrainiac (talk) 17:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

You Are Not Blocked
As far as I am concerned, I will consider you unblocked because you are a nice editor yourself. Ericthebrainiac (talk) 21:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Umm, well thank you, but I don't think I'm blocked at all! Anyway, it's kind of you to say you think I'm nice. Take care, DuncanHill (talk) 22:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I can do the unblock... although I would have to block you first! Hmmm? Don't you viciously spell pastie wrong? That is cause enough for me! ;~) LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no such thing as a pastie! DuncanHill (talk) 22:27, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Robert Dunkin (1761-1831)
Good to hear from you. I expect you found this source and this and and this andThe Young HD on Google Books.

Robert Dunkin, a saddler by trade, is shown as a member by convincement of Marazion Meeting in the List of Members of Marazion and Penzance Preparative Meeting made in 1828, held in Cornwall Record Office (Document SF/144).

He subscribed to the publication in 1809 of An essay on the identity and general resurrection of the human body ... By Samuel Drew.

According to Transactions of the Royal Geological Society of Cornwall By Royal Geological Society of Cornwall, First Volume (1818)], he was a member and is described as "Robert Dunkin Esquire Marazion". He was awarded several patents for technological innovations. Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 23:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I'll put him on my to-do list. Friends House Library (LSF) catalogue is down now but I expect there will be something there.  I also intend to revisit CRO soon but have a very long list of research topics there.  Vernon White  . . . Talk 23:45, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing by or about Dunkin in the printed books catalogue of LSF. Vernon White  . . . Talk 08:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Note from Friends House Library:

Dear Vernon, Thanks for your email. There is no DQB entry for Robert Dunkin (1761-1831). There is a press cutting from the Western Evening Herald (18 April 1992) about Humphry Davy which mentions Dunkin in passing ("His every spare moment was devoted to scientific experiment. He was encouraged in this by Dr Tonkin, a friend of his widowed mother, and also by an old Quaker saddler Robert Dunkin who let him use the friction machine he possessed to make static electricity, along with the voltaic piles and Leyden jars he employed as an enthusiastic amateur scientist"). His death was announced in the Annual monitor (1832) p. 10 thus: ROBERT DUNKIN, Penzance, Cornwall   [aged] 70 [died] 11 8mo. 1831 As you know, there's nothing in the catalogues of printed books or manuscripts, and he doesn't appear in Ted's Dictionary.

Sorry not to have more to offer. It sounds as though local sources may be best. Library of the Society of Friends

== Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 19:13, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. DuncanHill (talk) 20:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Multicolumn reflist
Just following up on the multicolumn issue, would you be interested in logging the issue with Apple's bug reporter? Wikipedia's bugzilla says the problem is not on their end. superlusertc 2008 April 11, 21:29 (UTC)
 * OK, I could do that. DuncanHill (talk) 21:30, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Pixaerial
Take a look at the guy's last couple of edits. I think there's a bit of arrogance there that needs to be addressed eventually. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Francis Vane
Francis Vane has an ODNB article which could help unstub the WP article. I think he must have been a rather self-contradictory character. I am getting though Tom Kennedy's book on the The hound of conscience : a history of the No-Conscription Fellowship, 1914-1919, Fayetteville : University of Arkansas Press, 1981 ISBN 0938626019, which could be the source of a lot of unstubbing exercises! Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 07:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

User:DuncanHill/treasuresoftheearth
I've restored it. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 18:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

missing ref tag bot
I saw you were involved in the "Unclosed ref tags" discussion and thought you might be interested in the related "Need a bot to find corrupted REFLIST outputs" discussion. What do you think of my algorithm proposal? -- Low Sea (talk) 07:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

My concern
I wanted to express my concern in the matter more clearly in regards to this. I am concerned not by him making such ruling. I am concerned based on the evidence of his claim, which shows that he didn't actually bother to read the arguments. How can an admin make a ruling without having the facts straight? How is there even supposed to be a ruling on this matter, when no page has been damaged and the discussion continued without a problem and was latter stopped without a problem? The incident is quite over, but there are some individuals calling for actions that are quite inappropriate in this situation. It deals primarily with MoS guidelines in an FA review, not a standard Wikipedia page. It deals with size issues that need to be fixed for FA. It deals with a higher standard, and the emphasis was put indiscriminately towards anyone who disagreed with the MoS as part of the FA process.

Such comments were also used later by myself to say to "Fears of complaint are not a justification to disregard MoS. If they are complaining, then they do not belong on Wikipedia. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)" in response to "Any attempt to move this kind of material to subarticles also meets with howls of "whitewash"" put forth by Wasted Time to suggest that people would be unwilling to accept the MoS guidelines on trivia being included in the main page and other such things that go against the summary suggestions that are 4 on the criteria for FA. If people have a problem with in-universe guidelines, then yeah, there are other Wikis for them. If they have a problem with referencing criteria, then yes, there is a Wiki for them. And on and on and on. Wikipedia has a higher standard, especially for FAs. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I commented only on LHvU's involvement, I think that you should listen to what he has said about civility - not least because keeping civil will enable you to better achieve your goals in developing an article. LHvU is one of the best admins I have encountered on Wikipedia, and is well worth listening to. Sometimes the best thing to do is to have a cup of tea, relax a bit, and move on. I sometimes go on sprees of fixing disambiguation links, or other "gnomish" activity if I am feeling stressed or put out by an admin. Moving away from the articles one really cares about and spending time on a few "nuts and bolts" can be helpful, in that it gives time for everyone to calm down a bit and return refreshed and with a clearer head. DuncanHill (talk) 22:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Please stop edit warring
See this ANI thread about the edit warring at User:Videmus Omnia. Please stop edit warring and discuss there. I've sent this notice to everyone editing that page. Carcharoth (talk) 19:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * One revert of an involved editor's improper removal of material is not edit warring. DuncanHill (talk) 19:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)