User talk:DuncanHill/Archives/2009/April

Thanks
You probably don't remember me.I just wanted to thank you for giving me that welcome box back in February .It's been a big help.Thanks Again. User:Englatar8888
 * Glad it was helpful! DuncanHill (talk) 12:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Welcome To Wikipedia?
Thanks sonny, but I have been here four years! The edit you referred to was an actor's name commonly mis-spelled, I put in the correct spelling. However I believe the page in question was a vanity page and was just about to add a non-notable tag to it - unless you have better knowledge of the subject than I, in which case feel free to revert my edit. In any event, Cribbins must remain as "Cribbins"! DavidFarmbrough (talk) 01:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You did a lot more than change a spelling - replied at your talk page. DuncanHill (talk) 01:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Admin help needed urgently
adminhelp

is and on a vandalism spree, including AIV, no response at noticeboards. DuncanHill (talk) 08:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

At last has been blocked. DuncanHill (talk) 08:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for helping with that vandal... worst type of vandalism that. Anyways, thanks very much :) - Kingpin13 (talk) 08:39, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Rôle
Any reason why you're spelling it that way instead of "role"? We're not speaking French :) Stifle (talk) 13:17, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

No truer words ...
Hello. After years of reading BetaCommand drama at AN / ANI, I was shocked by your incredibly accurate statement: "I think one of the saddest aspects of BC's career on Wikipedia is that when his behaviour did start to be troublesome, his defenders jumped so hard on the heads of those who raised concerns, and did nothing to support BC in improving his interactions, that it was perhaps inevitable that he came to believe that he was both right and untouchable." Of the megs and megs of commentary and discussion that have been generated on the BC topic, I think no truer words have ever been written! Kudos to you, sir, for your insightfulness! — Kralizec! (talk) 15:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

ArbCom policy wording
Duncan, I'm sorry to have not engaged completely with your suggestions. I wrote mine out separately from the main draft page, and I had little time left but to paste them in when I discovered where and how to do it. Perhaps we could discuss the differences some time. Tony  (talk)  16:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I need some light help.
Hello again, can you please help me assert WP:N with this article? notify me on my talk and we'll take the subsequent discussion on the article talk. I'm afraid that my first article doesn't meet notability. Gsmgm (talk) 18:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

diffs
You can email me some, but if you don't want to, I'll understand. All the best, Gwen Gale (talk) 16:23, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't see much point, no good came of complaining in the first place. DuncanHill (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I do hear you and what I said stands, I mean, if you ever do get stirred up to show me something. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it is appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 16:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

ANI
I don't feel like getting dragged into the dramafest that is AN/I, but I wanted to drop you a note to say I agree with you. Even with the little lurking I do at the noticeboards, I've noticed that there are some admins (not all) that treat non-admins differently than other admins. It is extremely unfortunate that it happens, but even worse is when, for whatever reason, people deny it. ( no, I'm not going to dig up diffs; if you really don't know this happens, you aren't paying enough attention ) --Kbdank71 16:47, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - that means a lot to me. That there are some admins prepared to acknowledge that the problem exists is a hopeful sign. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 16:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Moving toolboxes
I was just poking around VPT archive 57 and noticed you asked for a way to move toolboxes around. here is the code...: // this moves the toolbox and search box to the top of the left sidebar function menu_move_to_top(menu_name) { menu = document.getElementById(menu_name); if (menu) { p = menu.parentNode; p.removeChild(menu); p.insertBefore( menu, p.firstChild ); } } addOnloadHook(function {   menu_names = [       "p-tb", // toolbox       "p-search", // search box       "p-navigation", // navigation       "p-interaction", // interaction       ];    while ( menu_name = menu_names.pop ) {       menu_move_to_top(menu_name);    } }); you can order the toolboxes however you like by switching the order (p-tb, p-search, etc.) I'm not sure what the book toolbox is called, this was written before that. I have it hidden in my .css. – xeno  ( talk ) 02:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks - looks a bit scary but I shall have a fiddle with it later :) DuncanHill (talk) 15:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You know what, I just re-read your question and realized I misread it the first time. I think more is required to move interaction below the interwikis. –xeno talk 16:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, well thanks anyway - it is appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 16:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk page
Hi.. please complain at me on my user talk page, if you must. It's a bit off-topic when it's in an unrelated thread at AN. Friday (talk) 15:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I am complaining about your behaviour in the matter which the thread at AN concerns. Again, you unethically try to fragment a discussion. DuncanHill (talk) 15:12, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Will you please stop following me around to get your digs in? Do it at my talk page, if you must. That's what it's for. Friday (talk) 15:30, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Will you please stop abusing your bully pulpit as an admin to try to suppress those with whom you disagree? I would suggest that until you shew yourself willing to have a constructive discussion (i.e. something more than telling people that the only constructive thing to do is whatever you want them to do) that it would be best for you to refrain from posting on this page. DuncanHill (talk) 15:32, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not about suppressing anything. It's about recognizing that different pages have different purposes.  Things that are on-topic for one page are off-topic for another page.  I understand you have some problem with things I've done, but it's far more useful to bring them up in a civilized way at my talk page, than to engage in this sort of drive-by criticism in other places.  I think you'll find I'm plenty open to constructive discussion.  Friday (talk) 15:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My comments about you in the thread at AN are directly related to your behaviour in the matter that the thread concerns. DuncanHill (talk) 15:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Misleading indent?
I was puzzled by your edit here- I was replying to Sheffield. Do you think it's possible that your continued focus on how evil I am is causing you to see things that aren't there? Friday (talk) 19:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think you are evil, please don't put words into my mouth. I find your habit (this is not the first time you have done it) of adding comments immediately below mine without either a line break or further indentation disrupts threads by making them harder to read, and to some extent is misleading, as it tends to obscure "who said what". DuncanHill (talk) 19:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. I didn't intend to put a comment near yours- yours showed up only after I hit save.  I believe the custom is that a further indent is used to indicate that you're replying to the next level up.  Friday (talk) 19:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Then leave a line between your post and the one above. It is kinder to the reader. DuncanHill (talk) 19:58, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree that whitespace is very useful to separate a comment from one above it, when it is not a direct reply, and when the indent level doesn't change, or outdents (not a word?). It makes working in the textbox easier. -GTBacchus(talk) 23:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== Please don't do that again ==

A personal attack upon any user page, of the type you put on mine, is a very fast route to a very long block. You are fortunate, indeed, that you chose to attack me, because I'm tolerant of such things. If I saw you doing that to someone else, I would block you on the spot and that would be that.

To answer what might have been a legitimate question in your attack, I expect a high standard of professional (yes, professional) decorum from all editors of Wikipedia. Including you.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:57, 18 April 2009 (UTC) voluntarily removed by Jimbo, Revision as of 16:02, 18 April 2009. Edit summary: "Removal with apology - too many windows open and pasted in the wrong place :(". Presumably in response to and intended to have gone to  Ben Aveling 22:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks like you caught a bullet for me... by standing in a similar space
Doesn't exactly inspire confidence, does it? LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:05, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

It was a simple cut and paste error, for which I have apologized.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Apology in edit summary. To be honest, right now I would regard a block form Jimbo as a mark of honour. I was fully expecting to find myself blocked when I got here. Still, I've had a lovely hike with some Scouts, who were generally much better behaved and more mature in their outlook than the majority of those with real power here. DuncanHill (talk) 16:32, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And LHvU - I wish I'd thought of saying what you did. DuncanHill (talk) 16:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You might have mentioned that before I put on my angry hat... ;~) Lovely day, I spent the afternoon with my kids in the local park. LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Good for you - I wish more people would follow your example. On and off wiki. DuncanHill (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * All very regrettable. I wish I knew what WH was trying to achieve here.  But I can't exactly ask him at the moment, not without starting another bar-room brawl...  I might go speak a few words to Friday, see if I can persuade him that being right isn't always enough.  Cheers, Ben Aveling 23:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh god, please, don't do anything that might encourage Friday to comment here. DuncanHill (talk) 23:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * :-) Will try not to. Ben Aveling 08:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What I'd really like to know is why our Dear Leader had my talk page open for editing in the first place. DuncanHill (talk) 23:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My halo must have distracted him... or something. LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe he realised that having called me a spoilt child and accusing me of having spat in his face put him on shaky ground if he wanted to object to my descriptions of him. DuncanHill (talk) 00:07, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Gropecunt Lane
Hi there, thanks for your offer. I'm just after anything that could add to the article, particularly what other people have to say about Addle, Fetter, Sherborne, and Gropecunt. Bordehawe might also be of interest. Basically anything to do with medieval prostitution which helps demonstrate why such street names existed and why they no longer exist. Pissing Alley (giggle) is another one! Parrot of Doom (talk) 11:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I can tell you straight away that Gropecunt Lane isn't in the index of the 3rd edition of the London Encyclopædia. Will see what I can find on the others - Addle Hill it has as "may derive from the Saxon word adel, meaning noble" - as you had quoted from the first edition. Will get back to you with more anon. DuncanHill (talk) 11:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

The caveat
Duncan, since you are the only person I know to have adopted the caveat that I placed on my userpages I thought I would note that I have updated it to make it "fairer". Your choice, as ever. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yes, good idea. DuncanHill (talk) 21:00, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

St Ives full stop
You mean the one before "jpg"? C'mon....

SimonTrew (talk) 14:18, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm that's really hard to tell. I *think* it's suppose to represent the end of the T drawn by a right-handed calligrapher (compare the last "s" and the "e" but the sign is quite worn so I'd not bet money on it. I think it's on the A14 westbound and I'm not walking up there with a pot of paint. SimonTrew (talk) 14:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah I am not gonna sweat it-- I imagine in both places (and anywhere else named for a saint) usage even by officials, journalistse etc is far less consistent than our elders and betters would like to have us believe. I tided the dab page St Ives NSW also eschews full stops.

SimonTrew (talk) 14:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Bloggins
Can we delete Talk page move and requested move out of courtesy to the BLP? Kittybrewster  &#9742;  15:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Most helpful. Thank you. I think we should do the same with Talk:James Crosby (British businessman). Kittybrewster  &#9742;  19:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Ssshhh! Don't tell anyone else!
Just between you and me, I'll tell you what I think is wikipedia's biggest problem; too many tight-assed American administrators who've never even left the state they were born in, and not enough of the altogether more sophisticated European ones. But don't tell anyone I said that, promise? --Malleus Fatuorum 16:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK - just so long as you don't tell anyone that I agree with you :) DuncanHill (talk) 16:27, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Was it supposed to be a secret. I thought everyone already knew. ;) Daicaregos (talk) 16:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, nobody but us three know it. DuncanHill (talk) 16:33, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Your question
I'm answering here, just so I don't clutter JW's page with stuff he doesn't need to read: You seem like a decent sort, and I hope you don't feel disrespected by my privileging JW's opinion over yours, but he's been here a long time, obviously, and has a long view of the project, and, I think, a better idea of things that will and will not bring it into disrepute and/or disrupt it. There are a lot of good faith editors who have a radical notion of what should be allowed here. I respect their opinions, yet disagree wholeheartedly. Cheers. IronDuke 18:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, well thanks for explaining - that was nicely put and I can have no objection to it (you're wrong of course, my opinions are much better than his, but I expect you already realized I would say that!) DuncanHill (talk) 18:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol... we'll see what you have to say when I create my anti-Moonrakers userbox and display it proudly on my non-existent userpage! IronDuke  18:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Wilts County Council must be trembling in their boots! DuncanHill (talk) 18:18, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "JW's ... been here a long time". Perhaps too long? --Malleus Fatuorum 18:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment. DuncanHill (talk) 18:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Nemo mortalium omnibus horis sapit
Which is to say, there's only one truth, but we'll never know it. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Cormoran
I created this page by accident by adding falsely a banner of the Wikiproject biography, so I deleted it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:27, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

CfD for Gold Medal of the Royal Astronomical Society Winners
Bravo for alerting the bot operator to the problem on his home wiki; I've now put the new category up for merger into the old category at CfD here (and then had fun with the right-left typing when leaving a message about it on the Hebrew wiki!) Regards, BencherliteTalk 16:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I hadn't spotted the discussion on his en-page, as I went via the bot's page to the Hebrew wiki. You'll see that he agrees with merger at CfD, so this is uncontroversial fortunately. Regards, BencherliteTalk 16:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Just a thank you note
You restored the GOCE page after I screwed it up - I am very grateful. I will try to learn more about how to edit panels so that doesn't happen again. But, it's very kind of you to help!--Levalley (talk) 22:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

William IV
I like your solution to the "surviving issue" question, thanks! In case it wasn't clear: Wehwalt was correct in guessing that my objection was purely stylistic — it just seemed a bit redundent to me. Nyttend (talk) 23:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

No flagged revisions category up for deletion
The category associated with the no flagged revisions userbox you have placed on your user page is up for deletion at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009 April 23 and you are invited to share your opinions on the issue. Alansohn (talk) 04:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

149.4.215.80
Related to a recent subject, this will be of general interest to you. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:32, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

ArbCom draft
Hi Duncan. Thanks for your kind words on my talk page. What do you think of my proposals for reforming the hearings process? Tony  (talk)  15:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)