User talk:DuncanHill/Archives/2010/May

Too many Trewoons
Hi Duncan, as you're a dab hand with dabs, perhaps you can help with this. There are at least two places in Cornwall named Trewoon.

The one that already has an article is a couple of miles west of St Austell at. The other one (which had been erroneously wikilinked) is just outside Mullion, Cornwall at.

What I propose is that we turn the page named  Trewoon  into a dab page, rename the existing article as  Trewoon, Restormel  – I assume it is in former Restormel, is it? – and name a new article about the one on the Lizard as  Trewoon, Kerrier .

Does that sound OK? If so, please can you set up the dab page and rename the existing Trewoon article. Then I will do the article for Trewoon Kerrier.

Of course, you may have a better solution. Either way, let me know on my talk. Best wishes Andy F (talk) 20:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I've learnt something new today! Yes, Trewoon is in former Restormel, but I think that using the former borough name in the disambiguation would be a mistake - the old district names will fall out of use. I'll have to have a think about that. DuncanHill (talk) 21:11, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Good point. What about Trewoon (Lizard) and Trewoon (St Austell) as article titles? (With plain Trewoon redirecting to the latter.) Andy F (talk) 22:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Turns out there are two more very similar places Angarrack and Angarrick. There's a page for 'ick' and a page for 'ack' now. Each has a 'Distinguish' tag so I don't think a DABpage is needed. Now, what do you reckon about the two Trewoons? Andy F (talk) 08:36, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Duncan, I've resolved the Trewoon issue with a dab hatnote on the Trewoon page and bold type in the Mullion, Cornwall article. See what you think... Andy F (talk) 06:41, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Andy, that's probably the best solution - the St Austell Trewoon is likely to be the one most people are looking for. DuncanHill (talk) 15:08, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Herbert Augustine Carter
I have added some detail about his life: however it said in Mee's Cornwall that he was the son of the vicar of St Erth while a category of People from Exeter is given here. Possibly his father's profession meant moving to or from Exeter so there is some ambiguity, also about his death where the older text says he was a casualty of fighting while Mee says died of sickness.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 07:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Cheers
Thank you for the heads up, and thanks for reporting him ^_^ Best regards,  Captain n00dle \ Talk 13:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

re Russia-chemist-stub
Working through a number of new templates and thought I had created Russia-physicist-stub and -chemist-. Noticed I had only created the physicists just beofre your message but thanks for the note. Waacstats (talk) 14:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Ta
Thanks for that - I know I had had cat issues with edits before - I was not realising it was that way (as you put) - always good to think there is more than one on the job - so many parts of the australian project have gone so quiet :) SatuSuro 14:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem - I rather enjoy categorisation work (it's often a good way to get an overview of a subject or area). Australia tends to pop up on my radar from time to time because of the Cornish emigration there, and geology & mining history are also hobbies, so this was right up my street. DuncanHill (talk) 14:48, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

List of parishes / local councils
Hi Duncan, I have recently compiled (from the official list on the Cornwall Council website) a new list of Cornwall's current civil parishes with parish, town or city (Truro only) councils. It is here: User:Andy F/Sandbox2.

The list is intended to either replace entirely, or to supplement and update in parallel, this list: List of civil parishes in Cornwall.

Please have a look, check the enties, and let me know what you think we should do – replace or supplement.

Best wishes as ever, Andy F (talk) 19:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi there. I've replied on this matter on the WP:Cornwall talk page. It might be easier to keep discussions there for consistency. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 23:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello again, I am not at all sure how to tackle these civil parishes and districts and their problems. The districts which were effective from 1974-2009 will need to be treated differently (they have already disappeared from the text of many parish articles and infoboxes). The Hundreds article lists civil parishes within each of the 10 hundreds up to 2008/9. The hundreds are very significant historically but should not be emphasised in the articles. Related to them are the rural deaneries which can have the same name without having the same boundaries (e.g. Trigg Major); they have also changed in 1875 and again more recently. Could you explain what the "brewster sessions" are? Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 10:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Bude-Stratton
Well spotted, that man! Good work! Andy F (talk) 16:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Permission to delete?
Hide doesn't hide: I'd like to delete the section I created and roll (at least) my comments into the already-created section that you pointed out. Will you agree to this? Shen Iko (talk) 01:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes of course, no problem. DuncanHill (talk) 08:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

TBSDY
I didn't see any reason to try to make him stick around in order to attempt to have his stuff deleted. He just wants to go away. Keeping his talk page serves little purpose except to aggravate him and cause more bad feelings. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 22:06, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * So get consensus to change the policy. I'm sick and tired of admins who think that it's OK to give special treatment to their chums. I don't get to be allowed to ignore those policies I don't like, why the hell should you be? DuncanHill (talk) 22:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ignore All Rules is one of the Five Pillars of Wikipedia's operation, and you are seeing favoritism where there is none. What I am sick and tired of is people who think that Wikipedia's rules exist for some reason other than facilitating the production of the encyclopedia. I deleted his talk page despite my personal misgivings because I thought it would be less drama if TBSDY was helped to just leave. Evidently I was wrong; it seems nothing would reduce the drama involved. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 23:31, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to answer that at this time, but may come back to it once Arbcom have responded on-wiki. DuncanHill (talk) 23:40, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually there are six pillars, but one is an open secret: admins are allowed to get away with murder. The dishonesty on display here is unbelievable. Malleus Fatuorum 23:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry for butting in, but another reason I do not think deleting talk pages is a good idea, is that talk pages record past interactions in their history. This can be relevant information in all sorts of cases, and thus I do think it serves a purpose to keep them. Moreover, most users, including TBSDY, come back eventually. ---Sluzzelin talk  22:13, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I would like to add that we are not just talking about deleted contributions by the talk-page user, who (for the moment) has left Wikipedia and thus needn't interest us anymore. I am talking about exchanges involving all sorts of other editors which may be relevant in a variety of situations. Unfortunately, I cannot give any examples, as TBSDY's talk page has been deleted. ---Sluzzelin talk  23:46, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * You're absolutely right Sluzellin, deleting talk pages prevents editors knowing what has been said by whom, and thus makes it impossible for anyone to form a proper judgement. DuncanHill (talk) 00:13, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * And isn't that the motivation for doing it? After "retirement" the hero can return, all trace of his misdeeds deleted from history. Malleus Fatuorum 00:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You might well think that; I couldn't possibly comment. DuncanHill (talk) 00:22, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Tbsdy is now abusing me via the email this user facility. If any watching admins give a damn could they please block his email access? DuncanHill (talk) 22:16, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Forward the email to Arbcom and let one of them do what's necessary. It saves on the block/unblock/reblock wheelwar that would otherwise be inevitable. – iride  scent  22:27, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Have emailed Arbcom, let's hope they don't lose it like they lose so many emails. DuncanHill (talk) 22:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ – B.hotep •talk• 23:06, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Out of fairness I must say he hasn't sent any more since the first one. DuncanHill (talk) 23:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there anything fair in abusive emails? – B.hotep •talk• 23:13, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I just feel it's right to be accurate and to be clear that it was just the one. DuncanHill (talk) 23:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you can't say fairer than that. ;) Besides, everything expires in around about 6 hours, so we'll see what transpires. I mean all aspects of the block expire, not the universe or anything. – B.hotep •talk• 23:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Parishes
Hi Duncan, ready to move on this. Your opinion please. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cornwall Andy F (talk) 16:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi again, Duncan. I see you've been a bit busy (below) but if you get a few minutes, please can you have a look at the discussion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cornwall and let us know what you think, please. Best wishes as always, Andy F (talk) 06:38, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Livorno
The Wikipedia article calls it "Livorno", so it should be consistent everywhere. Ciao and good work! --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 21:57, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ciao! But honestly it doesn't look that "Leghorn" is anymore the English standard. For example, here other Italian cities have English names (Milan, Genoa, Padua, Mantua), while for Livorno consesus has been reached to use this spelling since it's now more common in modern Anglophones sources. Ciao!! --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 22:02, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

mw:Extension:HarvardReferences - MediaWiki extension that supports "Harvard" references
Thank you for your interest in Village pump (proposals). X-romix (talk) 09:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Clifford Stephens
I restored and moved the article to Clifford Stephens as requested. It's going to take quite a bit of work. Good luck with it—Sandahl  (♀)  14:32, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

David R. Bryant
Hello DuncanHill, I am Ualei. Thank you so much for responding to my plea for help. I believe you have moved my article on David R. Bryant to your page. Do you have any advice for me on uploading? I read the criteria before beginning the article and tried to follow all.The criteria seemed to be straightforwardUalei (talk) 01:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've moved it to what is called "article space" - this is the part of Wikipedia that all articles go in. There are other spaces for userpages, discussions, policies etc. For a first article I think it's very good - there are still some formatting issues to be sorted, but you've done very well. I and other editors will help to get it into even better shape. Have a read through some of the links in the Welcome Box I gave you, and feel free to ask for further help whenever you feel you need it. DuncanHill (talk) 01:07, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi DuncanHill~ Thank you so much. I am now learning how to 'talk' on the site. I'm sorry if I am cluttering up your pages. What will be my next steps? Will you be writing me when I need to make formatting edits? Thanks again for your help. UaleiUalei (talk) 01:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello DuncanHill, Thank you in advance to responding to a few questions. I have written an article to be updated to the main 'Perkin Medal' recipients page on Wikipedia. There did not seem to be a way to edit the page, so I created a new page. Was that the correct procedure? Then, when I clicked 'save' nothing appeared under 'David R. Bryant.' So I must be missing a step. I have downloaded and read Wikipedia pages on 'main namespace' and 'moving a page.' Could you guide me please? Thank you so much, UaleiUalei (talk) 01:10, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi DuncanHill~ I wanted to thank you for all the editing you have done on David R. Bryant's article. I am now digesting what you have added, but wanted to let you know that I appreciate your help. I will be contacting you in the future as Dr. Bryant may wish to include a photograph (head shot). UaleiUalei (talk) 02:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi DuncanHill, When you have a minute, would you mind looking at David R. Bryant at Perkin Medal - someone has placed two messages with yellow paint brush symbols at the beginning of the article. What corrections must I make to gete rid of those symbols? Thank you so much, UaleiUalei (talk) 03:11, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Cornish parish categories
Hi Duncan, how's things with you? I've removed the redundant 'district' CP categories from all the Cornwall parish articles. Now all six categories (Civil parishes in North Cornwall, Civil parishes in Kerrier, Civil parishes in Restormel, Civil parishes in Penwith, Civil parishes in Carrick, and Civil parishes in Caradon) no longer have any articles in them. So is is possible to delete the categories? And, if so, should we?

(BTW, thanks for your comment on maps the other day)

Best wishes as always, Andy F (talk) 20:22, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, they should be deleted - can't remember off hand where but will have a look later on today. DuncanHill (talk) 10:19, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Left Handed Knot Tying and Socks
You do realize, don't you, that dozens of us will now be carefully checking our hosiery after the next wash to see if we can tell which foot has worn which sock? And then there was the thought: tying the laces to be mirror images, right and left foot, would be more likely to be effective if the feet themselves were mirror images, which is unlikely. :-) Bielle (talk) 03:16, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * My feet are pretty much mirror images of each other - a few slight differences, but essentially mirror images. Now if you had two left feet then they wouldn't be mirror images. DuncanHill (talk) 10:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Just adding - it's important that the laces are threaded as mirror images too. DuncanHill (talk) 10:21, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Humans tend not to be entirely symmetrical left to right so the true mirror images are rare. Even aside from one-sided damages over a lifetime of use, one foot is useually wider and longer than the other, and often with diffrences in height of arch and length of toes. That's all I meant. Bielle  (talk) 13:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * But near enough for it to be noticeable when the laces are not tied correctly. Anyway - if I've encouraged a few people to wear their socks the right way round that will be a good thing. Most people pay far too little attention to their feet, hence corns, bunions, fallen arches and the rest. DuncanHill (talk) 13:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Curiously, I was in a clinic settting this afternoon where I mentioned your ability to tell right- from left-footed socks. I saw the puzzled expressions, bordering on disbelief, that I had expected, but it was my surprise that surprised the other three people. They can all tell and one of them also puts left-foot with left foot, etc. I've learned a lot in three days. Bielle (talk) 01:35, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Constituencies

 * In your last comment on my talk page you suggested that I use the electorate figures instead of the turnout figures. I was wondering if you could please inform as to where I could find the required figures. Thanks. 07bargem (talk) 12:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)